Vox Populi – 07-24-2020

Vox Populi, our weekly live chat about the week’s events, begins tonight at 7:00pm PDT. Hope to see you then! AdLib 7 hours ago

Hey PPO! How are you and Fergie bearinng up? AdLib an hour ago

Hanging in there, Ad. Fed up with restrictions, but beats the alternative! pinkpantheroz an hour ago

how about your neck of the woods? pinkpantheroz an hour ago

We’re doing okay too. Getting out here and there but outdoors, grocery store, nothing too exciting. AdLib an hour ago

Oh yeah, watching juntas march down US streets but nothing special. AdLib an hour ago

Person Woman Man Camera TV Make me President, now! pinkpantheroz an hour ago

Heh! Imagine the mental image they trained him to have to remember that “difficult” five word sequence. AdLib an hour ago

I only go for groceries/meds. We have to wear masks outdoors, no exceptions pinkpantheroz an hour ago

took him how many weeks since to get it right? pinkpantheroz an hour ago

Hi, welcome 142 pinkpantheroz an hour ago

Hi, Murph! pinkpantheroz an hour ago

Hey Murph! Any trouble signing in? AdLib an hour ago

PPO – Exactly, this was moths ago and only now can he repeat all five words correctly. I call that a stable genius…as in a horse’s stable and the back end of the horse. AdLib an hour ago

No trouble signing on. I think I may have been Guest 142 for a few moments. Read your conversation so far. Just finished reading a tick-tock article outlining how Trump was forced to abandon Jacksonville. https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/how-the-republican-national-convention-came-undone/2020/07/24/705c0afa-cdd8-11ea-bc6a-6841b28d9093_story.html MurphTheSurf3 an hour ago

Can you imagine what effort went into his memorizing the word sequence given how much he has made it front and center in his social media communication today. MurphTheSurf3 an hour ago

Murph – Did the article describe how there never really was a full pla inn the first place? No doubt, it mentioned how the Sheriff shut it down by saying he couldn’t provide protection due to Covid. AdLib an hour ago

Yeah, Murph. Convention cancelled, now get back to school pinkpantheroz an hour ago

Ad…both points are in the article. MurphTheSurf3 an hour ago

Murph, was there a sixth word – like, pussy, maybe? pinkpantheroz an hour ago

Murph – And the funnny thing is, while he was imaginning the public would marvel at his ability to pass a dementia exam, which he probably didn’t, it has only made him look more mentally unstable. AdLib an hour ago

The school district in which I live has a group of academic leaders who worked long and hard on a rather creative plan for educational reengagement. The whole thing rejected by the state education authority. MurphTheSurf3 an hour ago

Ad, listened to Mary Trump on Colbert. She says if he boasted about passing the test, he failed it! pinkpantheroz an hour ago

glenn, Hi! pinkpantheroz an hour ago

Ad…and PPO….his fixation on that test shows how fragile his ego is, another bad sign for someone in search of the patina of mental stabilty. MurphTheSurf3 an hour ago

Howdy Glenn…. MurphTheSurf3 an hour ago

The poor baby needs reassurance all the time and tough shit if the country goes tits up pinkpantheroz an hour ago

I suppose Trump is hoping the economy to be in the sweet spot by election time, with businesses coming back before infected schoolchildren throw gas on the Covid-19 fire. The bottom line is, he knows he will sacrifice the lives of thousands of Americans, just hoping it happens after he wins re-election. Which it won’t. AdLib an hour ago

Hi glenn! AdLib an hour ago

Good evening/afternoon all! Here are five more words for him: racist, lying, treasonous, idiotic, bully! glenn an hour ago

Glenn…do you get extra points if you say them in order? MurphTheSurf3 an hour ago

glenn, a pity they didn’t use those words in the test, then get him to repeat them endlessly! pinkpantheroz an hour ago

My daughter’s school, here in L.A., is going to start an optional hybrid plan…if Gov Newsom withdraws the restrictions that would prevent that. I’ve read their COVID-19 plan, no mention of testing aside of temperatures. I won’t send her this semester especially if that’s the case. AdLib an hour ago

In my neck of the woods there are three centers where most of the shopping is done. Strip malls are still alive and have been well in rural America but there are more and more empty storefronts. MurphTheSurf3 an hour ago

I still am trying to get over that video of the vet being beaten with a baton and him standing stock still until another thug came up and tear gassed him at close range. Unbelievable that this was done in the US! With the blessing of the US government! Gobfuckingsmacked I am! glenn an hour ago

Ad, I don’t understand the US economy being so high with record unemployment, pandemic, huge govt spending, etc. not logical pinkpantheroz an hour ago

PPO – That was a good interview and I agree with her, Trump failed that test and his aggressiveness about repeating that he passed it is the giveaway. He should take another test inn real time, he’d fail spectacularly. AdLib an hour ago

Murph–yes, and more extra points if you say them with passion! glenn an hour ago

PPO–Yeah, that would be great to have him repeat those words! glenn an hour ago

Murph – We have yet to see the truly terrible ecoomic impact that Trump is holding off by handing trillions to Wall Street and the Covid bills softened. By Nov, it should be pretty bad. Evictions are legal again starting today. AdLib an hour ago

Ad, never thought I’d say I liked a Trump, but she’s the real deal. pinkpantheroz an hour ago

PPO–The US economy is only “high” for some people; not all people. I’m assuming you are saying it’s “high” because the stock market is reasonable high. Because all of those other measures you mentioned are high in the wrong ways. glenn an hour ago

PPO….it is not “the economy” but a narrow wedge….the financial/investment sector who make money by manipulating wealth which means they structure things such that even hard times can generate profit for them. The other factor is the propping up that federal super deficit spending is providing to the spenders/consumers…..the very definition of a “welfare” society….. MurphTheSurf3 an hour ago

glenn – That was disgusting though so was gassing the Wall of Moms. Trump thought this would make him look like a strong leader, it makes him look like a PoS tinpot dictator tearing up our freedom and democracy. AdLib an hour ago

Ad….the real economy, as you point out, is shaking at is core. MurphTheSurf3 an hour ago

Ad and PPO–and that test was taken over a year ago. He has lost so much more cognitive ability (not that he had much in the first place) since then. I think the only test he needs now is to debate Biden. glenn an hour ago

Folks, I’m trying to see how It is relying on a good economy to win. How can he? pinkpantheroz an hour ago

PPO – Once Trump is gone, we will eventually find out that many trillions of dollars were constantly pumped into Wall Street. The defecit is insane now, with what we know, much is o doubt beiing hidden. Meanwhile, The Fed is literally creatig trillions and buying up corporate junk bonds that will eventually cause a second Great Depression when they come due. AdLib an hour ago

PPO – Same here, Mary Trump is the white sheep of the family. AdLib an hour ago

Ad–I’m still trying to figure out where the Dem outrage is about those thugs. I know the repubs aren’t going to say anything, but Pelosi, Schumer, and every other Dem should be on the news every day asking why these thugs are in the street. Because of graffiti? And, I’m not sure, but as far as I can tell, the thugs are attacking people on the streets of Portland, not on federal property. glenn an hour ago

Ad, and of course it will be Joe who has to tighten belts and be unpopular to save the country, yet again. the Republican Party should be deregistered and a new one salvaged by decent folk from the dregs. pinkpantheroz an hour ago

Murph – The real economy right now is hidden by Trump and his lackeys, including the Fed Chairman. It is going to come crashing down far worse than it would have been, just like the COVID-19 infection rate because of his trying to cover that up. It will be hell down the road but at least everyone will tell Repubs who complain aboout the debt when Biden is in the WH, to STFU. AdLib an hour ago

glenn, I’m as bewildered as you about that. AND the lack of pursuit of the bounty ;payments. pinkpantheroz an hour ago

PPO….the pattern of the GOP impoverishing us leaving a mess for the Dems to clean up…will repeat itself. MurphTheSurf3 an hour ago

PPO–He only thinks he can win; deep down I think he knows he’s lost. He has never had a strong tether to reality, so making up things about the economy, or anything else, is the way he’s going to go. It’s his MO. glenn an hour ago

glenn – He’s been trying to memorize five words for a year. Yeah, he doesn’t have dementia. AdLib an hour ago

Ad….we have a long history of fiscal malfeasance by the GOP that is left for Dems to cleanup…..but one thing the GOP is really good at is deflecting blame for the mess. MurphTheSurf3 an hour ago

PPO–I think the only people Joe will be unpopular with is the RTLB’s cultists, which unfortunately includes some congress critters. They’ll be yelling their heads off, but I really don’t think it will do any good. I could be wrong. glenn an hour ago

PPO – Trump is and will fail at trying to get the economy back up before Nov but that’s not stopping him sacrificing thousands of Americans in the attempt. No way the economy recovers from this enormous disaster in 3 months. No way. Trump has nnothing to run on and he knows it, hence the “wag the dog” of creating a phony civil war. AdLib an hour ago

PPO…..of course the evidence is abundant, but the public is by and large incapable of assessing that evidence. MurphTheSurf3 an hour ago

PPO–Yeah, those bounty payments, too. Where are the investigations? I certainly hope the Dems are, once again, not going to snatch defeat out of the jaws of victory glenn an hour ago

Ad, and no one should believe his inevitable announcement that he discovered the vaccine and will give it to everybody – once he is elected! Bet he tries! pinkpantheroz an hour ago

glenn – I think there is a lot of outrage by Dems, I’ve seen it in interviews and they have gotten two IGs to open investigations but the plain fact is that there’s not much they can do. The Constitution never envisioned a maniac in the WH, never provided for one house of Congress to be able to stop a madman. What could they do legally? AdLib an hour ago

Ad–And, I’m sure those five words are not the ones from the test. Usually, in those kinds of tests, the words do not have any association. glenn an hour ago

Ad….this horrow illustrate my long standing indictment of the American System as essentially unworkable in the face of deep corruption and/or widespread malfeasnace. MurphTheSurf3 an hour ago

PPO – Yes but in Jan of 2021, Biden needs to ignore the deficit and unleash spending that directly helps reshape the economy and help the people. Infrastructure, healthcare, immigration, racial justice, voting rights, ignore the deficit because the only way to turn things around will be by investing in creating a new economy and society. Oh yeah, raising taxes hugely on the wealthy. AdLib an hour ago

Dems need to bolster the Law and Constitution to avoid this mess ever again. pinkpantheroz an hour ago

And prosecuting Trump and his crime family. AdLib an hour ago

It is the prosecution of Trump and his crime family and his cronies that will do the most good in purging the system but it will be at great cost. MurphTheSurf3 an hour ago

Ad, I sure hope that the Biden team is already drafting all they need to hit the ground running on all areas needing fixing, especially the pursuit of the Famiglia. pinkpantheroz an hour ago

PPO – Yes, the pursuit of investigatig the bounty payments by Russia should be a top duty for Dems but to be honest, they are buried in an avalanche of insanity from Trump right now. This isn’t and should never be allowed to disappear. AdLib an hour ago

Ad–I’m glad you’ve seen the Dem outrage; maybe the outlets I read just aren’t showing it. As far as what they can do legally, I have no problem with another impeachment trial. Seriously. He is not following the Constitution by sending in those troops. As we discussed last week, I’m still worried about what havoc he will wreak when he’s a lame duck sitting in the White House. And, I’m almost positive the repubs will pull the same shit regarding an impeachment trial, but it still would be on record. glenn an hour ago

Ad….your vision of Biden 2021 requires complete control of the Executive and Legislative….and a desperate holding onto what is left of the balanced judiciary. MurphTheSurf3 an hour ago

Murph – bugger the cost. Doesn’t seem to bother the GOP now, so go for it! pinkpantheroz an hour ago

PPO….and the GOP will do as they have done….point to the Dems as taxers and spenders. MurphTheSurf3 an hour ago

Kill Citizens United!!!! pinkpantheroz an hour ago

glenn – A reporter on MSNBC stated casually that Trump believes that he can change the future by his imagining thinngs are different. She literally described what delusioal is but in an oblivious way, presenting other of his views just as evenly. AdLib an hour ago

Murph, but we can hold the mirror up to them this time. pinkpantheroz an hour ago

PPO ,,,, abd restire McCain-Feingold. MurphTheSurf3 an hour ago

Murph–We’ve been fortunate so far that we haven’t had such a corrupt, inept, vile administration before. And, when we did, at least the systems worked in the end. You’re right, though, this corruption/malfeasance is unprecedented! glenn an hour ago

Has there ever been a Senate who protected and involved themselves in corruption as much as this one? I doubt it. pinkpantheroz 44 minutes ago

Glenn….all one needs to do is look at the administrations and congresses that preceded the Civil War to see incompetence and corruption at work resulting in a War that could have permanently shattered the nation and enshrined slavery for another 50 years. MurphTheSurf3 44 minutes ago

Ad–Yes! We can reshape the economy by moving things around a bit, too. I’m sure we will have to raise taxes, and especially on the wealthy; but don’t the rich always say, “You have to spend money to make money?” glenn 44 minutes ago

PPO – Absolutely. Does anyone doubt that one of Trump’s October surprises will be to announce a “perfect vaccine” that only he could provide to the people will be available…right after the election? Americans already knnow he is a liar and half of Americans say they wouldn’t even trust a vaccine or take it. That will be a problem down the line but his miracle cure anouncement will be as believed as injecting Lysol as a cure. AdLib 43 minutes ago

Glenn….the same critiques could be leveled at the administrations the preceded the Great Depression and WWII. MurphTheSurf3 43 minutes ago

glenn – Great point, those are absolutely not the words from the test, they had to pick words he could remember…after a year of memorization. AdLib 42 minutes ago

I saw a tweet earlier that said we should look at what’s going on in USPS. ANyone know anything? pinkpantheroz 41 minutes ago

PPO- your point about the Senate is a good one. Record setting cooperation corruption and malfeasance. MurphTheSurf3 41 minutes ago

Murph – I’d agree with you about our system. Hence the necessity for Biden to abandon all financial concerns and spend trillions to reshape the system now, being able to pay it back later when a more equitable system thrives. AdLib 41 minutes ago

Murph–Are you saying that the Civil War “saved” the nation? Or that politicians/leaders/whomever realized that corruption was not the way to go? As for now, what things do you envision that would stop this corruption/malfeasance from happening again? glenn 41 minutes ago

PPO…efforts to cripple the USPS to slam absentee voting are well underway. MurphTheSurf3 41 minutes ago

That’s a worry, Murph. But it may upset Republicans who postal vote as well. pinkpantheroz 39 minutes ago

PPO–I’ve also read that the postmaster general is telling mail carriers to “slow down” first class mail, so it shows the system won’t work….or something like that. glenn 39 minutes ago

Ad….I agree in the short run with you re. Biden…..I am just drawing attn to how incapable our system is in dealing with the incompetent and malfesant. MurphTheSurf3 39 minutes ago

Murph and PPO – The prosecution of Trump will of course have to be by Biden’s AG pick so that is critical. It must be someone aggressive, tough and unyielding. Not a status quo or politically concerned type. That AG will be attacked like no AG ever has, including Barr. So they need to be rock solid. AdLib 39 minutes ago

Kamala! pinkpantheroz 38 minutes ago

Murph–do you support investigations by Congress on the RTLB’s administration’s corruption? Or do we just ignore it? glenn 37 minutes ago

Glenn….the cancer that was slavery was so evident and it was left to fester by one administration after another. The Civil War could easily have left the nation permanently shattered. There was no enlightenment as a result. In the aftermath of the war slavery returned to the south in the farm of sharecropping, jim crowism and segregation. MurphTheSurf3 37 minutes ago

glenn – I think a good strategy would be to disbar Barr first. That is very viable, he could then be easily removed by Congress because he would lack a necessary attribute to be AG. With Barr gne, Trump will be weakened. Then take out Chad Wolf (actually, do that at the same time), since he is illegally remaining as an acting staffer after his time has expired. Tear downn the quicker and easier targets to weaken and confuse Trump then take him down in the election in 100 days. AdLib 36 minutes ago

glenn, if it is ignored, it will be normalized. It has to be done. JOe’s Congress is going to be very busy! pinkpantheroz 36 minutes ago

Maybe Mueller as AG? With powers this time? Or do you think he would just wimp out again? Or maybe the NY AG? She’s tough. I would love it to be a woman, just to piss the RTLB off more. glenn 35 minutes ago

Nice plan, Ad. Who can go after him? pinkpantheroz 35 minutes ago

Ad….Trump’s AG will first have to root out the damage done to the justice system in the form of appointments made, protocols abandoned, systems disabled. And more MurphTheSurf3 35 minutes ago

Murph – Trump’s AG? pinkpantheroz 34 minutes ago

Murph – Yep but I am confident Dems will have unitary control in 2021. Again, Biden must ignore all howls from Repubs and spend like there is no defecit, Dems nneed to end the filibuster ad after the urgent issues are handled, get to work on impeaching or moving the unqualified judges Trump and Moscow Mitch installed…and add two seats to the SCOTUS. AdLib 34 minutes ago

This is an emergency for the future of America, radical change is required. AdLib 34 minutes ago

Ad….I endorse your plan but add that the Dems must do well enough to hold onto unitary control beyond the first two years….think Obama in 2010 MurphTheSurf3 32 minutes ago

I bet the shredders are already at work in the WH, not that much came out on paper! pinkpantheroz 32 minutes ago

PPO – The USPS is being sabotaged from within by Trump’s Postmaster. Deliveries that took days are taking weeks, sometimes longer. Flks need to get their ballots mailed in at least 2 weeks ahead of time or drop them off at polling places. This iis pure evil. And the Dems better have USPS funding in this latest financial bill. AdLib 32 minutes ago

Murph, hopefully the anger towards the GOP will still burn in 3 years time. pinkpantheroz 32 minutes ago

glenn – I think Mueller failed in the end by leaving the charges to Barr to make so I don’t favor him for Biden’s AG. I like Adam Schiff or Val Demmings though. AdLib 30 minutes ago

Murph–I’m not disagreeing with your analysis of the Civil War and its aftermath. There were good people who were trying to eliminate the systemic racism. I realize we’re still trying to do that; but I’m not sure if either then or now, it was due to corruption, or due to an uneducated populace, which we seem to be repeating again. I do think that our changing demographics are going to be able to root out some of the systemic racism. What do you suggest as changes to the system to prevent corruption/malfeasance? glenn 29 minutes ago

Adam schiff for me pinkpantheroz 29 minutes ago

PPO – Not sure who should file complaints with the DC Bar but Dems could and should do so. I’ve seen a request by a long list of lawyers to the DC Bar to disbar Barr. That’s a lot of “bars” in one sentence, I need a bar stool and a drink! AdLib 28 minutes ago

Bar Barr, The Black Sheep! pinkpantheroz 28 minutes ago

Murph – Biden hopefully is already having a task force desig the firings and replacements of people in law enforcement and Intelligence so he can hit the ground running with firings and hirings. AdLib 27 minutes ago

Ad–I like your strategy. On what basis would you disbar Barr? Wolf should’ve been gone about a month ago. Once again, where are Dems to demand that the RTLB follow the law and the Constitution regarding temporary positions? Sometimes I despair of the Democratic party! glenn 27 minutes ago

Well, We’ve survived another week of isolation and masks. Hope you all are safe and as well as can be. Take care till next week. Cheers. pinkpantheroz 26 minutes ago

Murph – I’ve thought about that and fortunately, the Senate Repubs have a rough road in 2022 too. As for the House, I think Dems will rack up an immense margin this year and in 2022, I think it will be hard to undo, even if it is shrunken. AdLib 25 minutes ago

PPO –

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Ad–Like Adam Schiff a lot! However, just because Val Demmings is a woman, I would give it to her. That doesn’t sound right–all things being equal, and I think they are–the job should go to Demmings. glenn 24 minutes ago

Cheers PPO! glenn 23 minutes ago

glenn – Barr has violated standards repeatedly, lied publicly, not recused himself from Epstein even though his father was involved with him, lied about the Mueller Report and most of all, violated the Constitution with this paramilitary. AdLib 23 minutes ago

Plus, Schiff should stay in the House to be the next Speaker. glenn 23 minutes ago

glenn – I would be fine with either or someone else who was hungry to bring back justice to the country. But Hillary would really tear up the Repubs iif she was AG! AdLib 22 minutes ago

Speaking of strong women in the House, did you hear/read AOC’s speech? It was dynamite! glenn 22 minutes ago

Oops have to go for a minute! Will BRB glenn 21 minutes ago

Good point. Then Demmings could be an excellent choice. I expect Harris will likely be VP but if noot, she would be a slam dunk choice (though she supposedly doesn’t want to be AG). AdLib 21 minutes ago

Ok! AdLib 21 minutes ago

We lost Murph suddenly! AdLib 21 minutes ago

Okay, I’m back. Hope Murph will be back soon. Anyway, OMG, never thought of Hillary! She would be an excellent choice to prosecute the RTLB! Talk about divine justice! glenn 15 minutes ago

That would be sweet justice indeed! Putting Trump and all of his gang who chanted, “Lock Her Up!” in prison! AdLib 14 minutes ago

But it would be too flammable a situation to have her there, the Repubs would set the country on fire. AdLib 14 minutes ago

Your points about Barr are well taken–by me, at least. This is a naive question, but who would be in charge of disbarring Barr? glenn 14 minutes ago

The DC Bar, they could disbar Barr, who needs to be licensed to practice law in DC to be AG. AdLib 13 minutes ago

Ad–Oh, please…the repubs have already set this country on fire! If not Hillary, then how about Obama? Or even better, Michelle Obama? She could reinstate her law license, and boom! glenn 12 minutes ago

Here’s a link to it: https://www.dcbar.org/ AdLib 12 minutes ago

Do you think the DC Bar is willing to disbar him? glenn 11 minutes ago

I have’t checked but I would think anyone could fiile a complaint…but a powerful party would be more effective I think. AdLib 11 minutes ago

Oops, I was typing while you were giving the link. glenn 11 minutes ago

I would like to see a really cutthroat-in-the-name-of-the-law AG and I don’t see either Obama as being that, ot that either would want the job. And Hillary would make it look like political prosecutions, we need someone who couldn’t be discounted like that, too dangerous. AdLib 10 minutes ago

I don’t mean Michelle as AG; she could be appointed a special counsel. I’m pretty sure she wouldn’t touch it; but that would be as good as Hillary, maybe better! glenn 9 minutes ago

I know you’re correct; but a girl can dream, can’t she? glenn 9 minutes ago

Is AOC eligible to be AG? glenn 8 minutes ago

Yep, I would love to see Hiillary there. She would be amazing! AdLib 8 minutes ago

No, AOC isn’t a lawyer and culdn’t be licensed by the DC Bar. AdLib 8 minutes ago

But AOC sure laid out YoYo this week. AdLib 7 minutes ago

What we need is a black, Latina, kick-ass prosecutor! Do you think the current NY AG would take it? glenn 7 minutes ago

I know it’s Yoho but I’d rather call him YoYo. AdLib 7 minutes ago

I really like the NY AG but she should stay where she is and prosecute Trump and his family. AdLib 6 minutes ago

OMG–didn’t she? That was one of the best speeches I’ve heard in a long time! She sure did “womansplain” to the YoYo. glenn 6 minutes ago

I don’t doubt that Trump will either pardon himself, his family and everyone around him or resign a day early and have Pence do it. Then, as federal prosecutions are tied up in court over pardons, the NY AG can nail him and put him annd Ivanka annd Jared in prison. AdLib 5 minutes ago

True, we need a strong woman to prosecute him there. Plus, he can’t wriggle out of the state charges as easily. glenn 5 minutes ago

Yes! YoYo nnow looks like the PoS he truly is and it paints the GOP of YoYo and Trump as the misogyny party that it is. More women to vote for Biden I hope! AdLib 4 minutes ago

Yeah, they can fight the federal charges from prison! My ideal scenario! The one thing I do know is that he shouldn’t be allowed to get away with his crimes! glenn 3 minutes ago

Exactly! We need to keep the NY prosecutions of Trump moving forward because even though it’s illegal, Trump will pardon himself and his family and cronies and that will have to run all the way through the SCOTUS. And who knows what they’ll do, I don’t fully trust Roberts. AdLib 2 minutes ago

So, that’s my rants/fantasies for the week. Take care, Ad and we’ll chat next week! No telling what crimes the RTLB will commit in the meantime! Have a good weekend and week. glenn 2 minutes ago

That’s what happens to mobsters. They get convicted and imprisoned on state charges sometimes then later prosecuted on federal though usually vice-versa. But with Trump, it will be state first. AdLib a minute ago

Don’t care which one is first; just that he is convicted! Lock him up! glenn a few seconds ago

Thanks so much, glenn! You have a great weekend too. Look forward to chatting with you next Friday! AdLib a few seconds ago

Yep! LOCK HIM UP!