“Damn, I Never Thought Of That “

Since the Civil War, and actually long before, we have been a nation divided. Donald Trump has already caused great suffering, and he will obviously destroy everything that he touches unless he is stopped; but he could be the cause of a great re-unification in our United States.

If they, Trump’s Base, was to unite with us to throw him out of our lives, this idiot tyrant, then we would owe them a tremendous debt of gratitude. We need them.

It could be a natural thing, like the body’s healing processes. Think of the sense of shared beginning. The peace.

There are people in this world, call them: “hate mongers,” or just simply, “crooked politicians,” because it is what defines them, who used us all to profit from our misery. They have made fools of us all.

We could forgive them entirely for the horror they have made us suffer. (Ultimately, we will blame them, not an illiterate mafia goon. And, that would only lead to more division.) It’s time to make a peace for the ages.

We only have one way to cut out the cancer that is “division.” We have to throw the devils out and begin to determine what a government should be. That’s called: “Government by the People.” We have to require that they do their jobs, or be fined into bankruptcy. We have to expose and ruin every single one of Trump’s minions who used public monies for private gain. (That’s the gnat that broke the camel’s back, isn’t it? Trump cheats at every single thing he does, and always has; but now, we have to pay for it – as they rob the Treasury blind.)

Trump & Co. are the ultimate elitist kleptocrats: they really believe that they should have everything, and you have nothing. They don’t share. They are without honor, and know no loyalty except to the Mafia. They honor no oath, and they will be remembered for all history as ingrates and treasonous dogs. But, we don’t have to be.

To my family, my extended family, my world-wide circle of friends, and to every one of my fellow citizens who ever believed in anything, or anyone – take my hand. Together, we can make America great again! But, we have a stinking, nasty job first: to dispense with a traitor.

When my family is reunited, when we are all reunited; then we will be great. Not because a smart-mouthed Mafia punk said so. We will never be great, for that matter, as long as Donald Trump is dictator. We are the wealthiest country in the world, and we have every advantage – we have no excuse for Trump.

Our shaming is complete now. Who knows what our full punishment will be. The World will decide that.

https://www.salon.com/2019/12/01/impeachment-as-a-struggle-to-save-democracy-from-the-pathological-cult-of-donald-trump/

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I’m afraid these individuals you want to forgive and you have said “quv DaHutlhchu’. {Klingon for you completely lack honor.} are far too deep in the Trump cult of personality.

The underlying questions that require consideration, center around are they willing to work at democracy and the complexity it brings, which means they actually have to think about it or do they just want to accept the populist message that Trump and his lackeys spew?

Trump tapped into the discord, concern, and belief many had that they were being displaced and played that like a fine-tuned fiddle. Can these individuals be swayed to drop their views? Perhaps a few, but, those who have wrapped themselves in the cloak of nativism want nothing more than the country to be a whites-only country isolated from the rest of the world.

Saying “I forgive you” will be met with “for what?” Trump supporters see themselves as the ones who are correct and folks like us as the fools for not supporting him. They have bought his con hook, line and sinker. These are the type of individuals who still believe there is some Nigerian Prince with a boatload of money left to them by a deceased uncle and just need a few dollars to set it free and will be more than happy to share their wealth for the assistance.

AdLib
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I see things from the same perspective. Much as I hate to admit it, there are at least one third of the American public, those who are Trump cultists, who are beyond the reach of decency and reason. Many condone Trump’s racism, hatred, cruelty, authoritarianism and destruction of our democracy and institutions.

Those people are not going to suddenly wake up one day, slap their forehead and exclaim, “What was I thinking?! Now I see how Trump is a monster and I was blinded by my insecurity and hatred!”

As I like to say, you can’t reason people out of an opinion they didn’t use reason to come to. They are beyond reason, beyond enlightenment, they are trapped in a bubble of propaganda, lies and validation of their resentments. They have exactly what they want, they want to be minions of an authoritarian hate monger because he represents a success to them.

Some have described this simply and well by explaining that for them, Trump hates the people they want to see hated. And that will never be changed.

The Trump Cult is the enemy of everything this country stands for. That doesn’t mean we use the same hatred against them that we criticize in them, I don’t hate Trump or his cultists but I see them as the adversaries of decent society that they are. They don’t want peace, progress or leveling the economic playing field.

They want their white privilege and supremacy back to being as dominating as it used to be and they have no conscience to prevent them from supporting the most horrible of actions in that pursuit.

Of course, they are too cult-minded to see through Trump’s and Fox News’ propaganda and manipulation of them to grab more power and wealth for the already-powerful and wealthy. They are too hypnotized by hatred to see that Trump can’t bring back white supremacy anymore than he could the use of coal.

So the only sensible way to proceed, IMO, is to accept the reality of what a personality cult is, that the majority of them can’t be talked out of their lemming-like behavior.

They should be seen as the obstacles they are. Investing energy in trying to convince them to oppose Trump is a waste of time and resources. They must be overcome, outnumbered and beaten. And the way we do that is by generating more turnout from those people already opposed to Trump and inclined to vote Dem, not chase after Trump zombies.

It will take time but after we have stripped this corrupt minority from the inordinate power they now have, those who joined the Trump cult can be helped as much as possible to get that poison out of their minds and join the rest of decent society.

But these types have been around since the country was founded, their types fought a Civil War, implemented Jim Crow and fought against Civil Rights and equality. They will not disappear but their ranks can hopefully be diminished…once decent people who believe in this country’s principles have taken power out of their hands.

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I am more disappointed this morning than I have been in awhile. I am not a Kamala Harris supporter, but I am disappointed that she had to leave the race because of money. What does money provide for a campaign? Access to potential voters. If you don’t have money, you cannot get your message out.

That sentiment doesn’t directly address your post about trump being the possible solution to the trump problem, but it helps to explain why we even have a trump problem. Our problem is not actually trump, but rather the millions of Americans who support or would support a person like trump. We basically have a crime syndicate running our country, and unfortunately, at least from my perspective, Joe Biden or any other so-called moderate presidential candidate, Democrat or republican, is not inspiring.

I am more disappointed in the American people than I am trump. Trump is a crook and a con, and I expect him to behave as he does. For most of my life I have had greater expectations from the American people. I am disappointed.

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Our electoral system is broken from top to bottom, we know that and as disappointing as it is that a legit candidate had to drop out because of how costly even running in a primary is, it isn’t surprising.

I have heard an alternate suggestion that the deadline to appear on the CA primary ballot was this week and if she didn’t drop out now but did so after IA and NH, her re-election as Senator could be harmed by a dismal showing in the primary vote (who would vote for her after she’s dropped out?).

That said, we badly need to change our primary and general election process to prevent money from determining far too much. Citizens United needs to be overturned, campaign periods need to be condensed, public financing needs to be set up and the unfair influence of small, heavily white states in paring down the field needs to be changed.

You have every reason to feel disappointed in many Americans but the majority of Americans oppose the power of money in our politics and with a sincere Dem president and a unified Dem Congress in place after the 2020 election, changes will not only be possible but unavoidable.