Vox Populi, our weekly live chat begins tonight at 7:00pm PDT. Hope to see you then! AdLib 3 hours ago

c u soon pinkpantheroz 2 hours ago

See you then! AdLib 2 hours ago

Hi, Ad. What a week, eh? pinkpantheroz 2 hours ago

Wow! Crazyland! AdLib 2 hours ago

Mueller’s up to bat soon! pinkpantheroz 2 hours ago

I’m writing an article for next week, this was for me the official declaration of Civil War. AdLib 2 hours ago

I don’t think of Mueller of helping willingly. AdLib 2 hours ago

Hey glenn! AdLib 2 hours ago

Which one?????/ There were so many! pinkpantheroz 2 hours ago

Evenin’ gents. Hope you are both well. glenn 2 hours ago

glenn! pinkpantheroz 2 hours ago

fine, thanx. nice day here. Sun shining pinkpantheroz 2 hours ago

Yes, Ad. YOu couldn’t see the mirrors for the smoke! pinkpantheroz 2 hours ago

When Trump openly declared non-whites as the enemies of “America” and that they hate America and should “go home”, topped off with the “Send Her Back” chants…that was an open declaration of Civil War. AdLib 2 hours ago

It would be foolish to see Trump and his cult members as anything other than the enemies of our democracy and the majority of Americans. They are rabid, they want tyranny that oppresses the non-whites. AdLib 2 hours ago

I wonder when we’ll see the Militias on the street? pinkpantheroz 2 hours ago

when not if pinkpantheroz 2 hours ago

Ad–I’m of two minds about Mueller. His adherence to the law, as it stands now, is admirable, on one hand. On the other hand, I think he should be speaking out more, and hope he does in his appearance in Congress, as how the law regarding indicting a sitting president, is IMO, unconstitutional. For no one is above the law, not even a sitting president. Has this law ever been brought before the Supreme Court to test its constitutionality? glenn 2 hours ago

And these Trump-loving fools make the wealthy laugh at them, “That’s all they want?! To see us oppress the non-whites more than we’re oppressing them? Heh! Sure, you got it suckers!” AdLib 2 hours ago

glenn, is that an actual law, as opposed to ;customary’? pinkpantheroz 2 hours ago

PPO – When Trump loses in 2020, that’s when I wouldn’t be surprised to see militias coming to DC. AdLib 2 hours ago

Twitter is showing a disturbing plan of the states showing shift in College votes favoring trump pinkpantheroz 2 hours ago

Well here we are once more….. MurphTheSurf3 2 hours ago

hiya Murph pinkpantheroz 2 hours ago

glenn – I used to think of Mueller in a better way but he is an establishment man who puts the order of government first and the attack on democracy second. I think he feels that he’s done all he’s needed to do and that if Trump succeeds in destroying our democracy, it’s Congress’ fault, not his. AdLib 2 hours ago

Hey Murph! AdLib 2 hours ago

Hello Ad, PPO, and Glenn MurphTheSurf3 2 hours ago

Ad–I agree about the soulless excuse for a human being currently squatting in the White House, is doing his best to start a civil war. The other thing that makes me so angry I could spit is the spineless, un-American republicans who are making excuses for him. These same spineless un-American republicans who criticized President Obama incessantly, and did everything they could to thwart him at every turn. And the press! Why aren’t they asking these spineless republicans why it wasn’t un-American to criticize the previous president, and it’s now un-American to criticize that blob of assholery now squatting in the White House? glenn 2 hours ago

PPO – There is no law or anything in the Constitution that prevents a president from being indicted and convicted of a crime. It is simply the legal opinions of the OLCs of two presidents who were up for impeachment that “coincidentally” found that it should not be allowed. AdLib 2 hours ago

glenn, put the same questions to the spineless section of the Dems. Seems like there is only TheSquad doing any sabre-rattling pinkpantheroz 2 hours ago

PPO – It is disappointing to see the media pumping up Trump’s chances when we are 1 1/3 years from an election. I suppose nothing will happen between now and then and there won’t be a Dem nom to have taken him on? AdLib 2 hours ago

I’m noticing, ad, a major increase in GOP attackers and trolls on Twitter. they started early nd we’ll be inundated from now on. pinkpantheroz 2 hours ago

glenn – No question that Republicans have become the most unprincipled incarnation of their party in its history. They are devoid of honesty, principles and humanity. Future generations will be asking what our generation asked about the rise of Hitler, “How could they all go along with what he did?” AdLib 2 hours ago

PPO–From what I can gather, you are correct, it is a policy, not a law. However, no one is challenging it, either in court or in Congress, and I find that despicable. Perhaps instead of impeachment, Pelosi or the Dems should file a lawsuit challenging that policy. Whatever it is, a policy or a law, IMO, it’s worse than Citizens United. In the news recently, there has been another instance where the TLB should have been indicted for his campaign finance crimes regarding Stormy Daniels, but he couldn’t be indicted because of that policy or law. glenn 2 hours ago

All of the media, in its various forms depends on readership to keep them in business. So, they appeal as widely, as sensationally, and as simplistically as they can. Creating a narrative that sells. MurphTheSurf3 2 hours ago

PPO–You’re right. Dems need to be “woke” too! glenn 2 hours ago

Hey Murph, glad you’re here. I was in the middle of my rant about the policy/law regarding indictment of sitting presidents. glenn 2 hours ago

Murph, thats exactly what TheOccupant has been doing all along. Feeding the chickens. successfully, dammit. BTW, I love that some Evilgelicals called out Trump for saying Goddamne but went crickets over his racist commentsd pinkpantheroz 2 hours ago

oops pinkpantheroz 2 hours ago

I am attending a program tomorrow being offered by a law school. It is a by invitation event in preparation for the Mueller testimony this week. I have just been informed that they expect the event to be stormed by Trumpistas. MurphTheSurf3 2 hours ago

PPO – Yes, the Dems have also been a study in spinelessness. There’s over 100 Dems in Congress who are standing up and supporting impeachment but the majority look weak and cowardly, hiding with Pelosi behind “hearings” to avoid what they see as a risk in standing against this monster. Really? Passing bills that The Senate will nnever even vote on and Trump would never sign, that’s leadership? Holding hearings that aren’t attended and issuing subpoenas that are ignored? That is leadership? And attacking four Dems who do have guts and spines and are standing up strongly to Trump? Giving him the opening to go after them as he did. That’s leadership? AdLib 2 hours ago

Bring your boxing gloves, Murph! pinkpantheroz 2 hours ago

Murph–That sounds like an interesting program. Can you tell us more about it? glenn 2 hours ago

Murph – That’s a fact. I thought today about how the media must be concerned if a Dem wins in 2020, that their readership and viewers will drop because it’s not a series of disasters and outrages day after day. AdLib 2 hours ago

Ad–I’m really beginning to think it’s time for Pelosi to go. If not from the House, at least from her speakership. As you say, she is not leading. glenn 2 hours ago

I’m rapidly losing faith in Pelosi, Ad. Is she getting too long in the tooth? Worn out? Media will immediately switch to criticizing the Dems for not fixing the deficit in the first 10 days! pinkpantheroz 2 hours ago

Very interesting, Murph. The Trump Mob must be confused though about there being a school to study law though. AdLib 2 hours ago

PPO–You and I must have been typing at the same time about Pelosi. Great minds think alike! glenn 2 hours ago

Ad…your indictment here is of the structure of government……what would you have the House do? Take the experience of the Mueller report as played out by Barr and the Exec Branch as a full blown exoneration of Trump and multiply is by several factors when the Senate does the same thing only bigger and louder. Pelosi knows this. The public as a whole is incapable of getting to an informed judgment…..were Watergate today Nixon would have walked. MurphTheSurf3 2 hours ago

glenn

pinkpantheroz 2 hours ago

glenn – Pelosi is the Chamberlain of our time, she is appeasing Trump while talking tough. The proof is in the pudding. Pelosi has been pandering to Trump voters and attacking Progressives. Biden is attacking Progressives and he just came out with GOP propaganda to scare seniors that the Progressive Dems will destroy their Medicare if they win. Our “side” is not on our side. AdLib an hour ago

Looks like we’re going to need the Cast of ‘The Good Fight” to get through all this! pinkpantheroz an hour ago

The program was the brainchild of the faculty of this school that wanted to bring together a variety of activists from across the political spectrum for a day of lectures, and workshop discussion…with live polling running all day along with a “readers” on line library. MurphTheSurf3 an hour ago

GOP is already squealing about loving the flag or else/ socialism is communism/ More taxes – the usual . pinkpantheroz an hour ago

Murph–I think I understand what you’re saying regarding the structure of our institutions, but Pelosi and the Dems are being perceived as weak by not doing anything except blather. And taking way too long to do it. I saw an interview with Dan Rather the other day, where he said the Dems should have a designated spokesperson to counter every one of the TLB’s tweets, outbursts, etc. as soon as it happens. IOW, start getting the Dem position out, instead of letting the TLB and republicans define it. glenn an hour ago

Let me ask this question…one posed to me by a Prof of Law (who invited me to the worshop)….what if the House votes articles of impeachment and The GOP controlled Senate refuses to take them up? Nada. MurphTheSurf3 an hour ago

PPO – Pelosi is a status quo, establishment type. She is wealthy, friendly with Wall Street and corporations, she seems only concerned with keeping her power in The House and appears to see impeachment as threatening that. We will not see Pelosi do the right thing without concern for herself, she comes first in her mind, that much seems very clear after seeing what a dire emergency our countrys in right now while she frags Progressive Dems instead of impeaching Trump. AdLib an hour ago

Ad, if that’s the case, she’s not the one to be Speaker and, excuse the french, we’re fucked pinkpantheroz an hour ago

Here is what the constitution says about Impeachment: “The Senate shall have the sole Power to try all Impeachments. When sitting for that Purpose, they shall be on Oath or Affirmation. When the President of the United States is tried, the Chief Justice shall preside: And no Person shall be convicted without the Concurrence of two thirds of the Members present. Judgment in Cases of Impeachment shall not extend further than to removal from Office, and disqualification to hold and enjoy any Office of honor, Trust or Profit under the United States; but the Party convicted shall nevertheless be liable and subject to Indictment, Trial, Judgment and Punishment, according to Law. MurphTheSurf3 an hour ago

Ad–I agree. Biden and Pelosi are much too invested in the status quo. IOW, they are acting just like conservatives. Don’t move forward; let’s just use scare tactics and fear of losing elections scare us into not doing anything. We need to have the conversations as to how to make progressive policies work; not tear each other down. The next round of debates should be interesting, with Biden and Harris on the same stage again. glenn an hour ago

Murph – I want The House to uphold their constitutional duties first and worry about the outcome second. An impeahment query would be a long public investigation of all of Trump’s crimes and those truths would stick as they did to Nixon and helped bring him down. This dishonest framing of impeachment as worthless unless you can remove Trump is cynical. The impeachment query would swing public opinion to support the removal of Trump and if the Senate Repubs protected him, they would be harmed by that. Where are the guts of Dem Leadership to do what’s needed instead of what’s most politically beneficial? That’s not what the Constitution says they’re supposed to do in a situation like this. AdLib an hour ago

ad….yours is the principle position…I keep thinking of 7 Conservative Justices…..I am focused on the results of miscalculation….your perspective requires an informed and invested public. I see no signs that this will change. MurphTheSurf3 an hour ago

Murph–I have to second Ad’s reply to your question. I also have to add that Dems need to begin these hearings ASAP, and quit dicking around! glenn an hour ago

PPO – It’s easier for the Repub propaganda machine to whine about “socialism”, this was stated months ago that this would be their plan, but when an actual Dem Nom is selected, they won’t have that vague BS and the four Dem Congresspeople to smear. Trump will have to debate and whether it’s Harris or Warren, Trump will be nailed for his lies finally in a public setting. AdLib an hour ago

Glenn…and who is going to pay attention to those hearings as they are either ignored or “reinterpreted” by the likes of Barr and media mouths dedicated to falsehood. The Third Estate is no long capable of swing opinion instead it feeds into the opinion of the audience it must have and hold to stay in business. MurphTheSurf3 an hour ago

Ad, maybe, but it looks from there that the media is giving the GOP the full coverage and little to Dem policies, whatever they may be pinkpantheroz an hour ago

Murph–Then isn’t it up to the Dems to inform the public with hearings? First thing that has to change in these hearings is the stupid five-minute rule. Dems need to address that first, throw it out, and start holding real hearings. They need to coordinate their questions, and if the witness doesn’t answer one person’s question,the next person should continue pursuing that question until they get an answer, even if it’s pleading the Fifth! glenn an hour ago

Murph – I don’t understand why folks keep saying that you don’t have a trial against a criminal unless you’re assured of a guilty verdict. Did everyone embrace OJ as an innocent victim after he walked free? Or was he seen as a murderer who got away with it and shunned? Reality is not on the side of those who keep representing that Repub Senators voting to protect their criminal in the WH will somehow brainwash everyone from remembering all the proven crimes in impeachment. AdLib an hour ago

And Ad…I think our best hope is a very strong Democratic Ticket….doing a road show….not droning hearings that will be sabotaged at every turn by the GOP in the Senate….they have the majority and it is clear that there is no soul left in that party and nothing they will not do. MurphTheSurf3 an hour ago

Murph, If you can’t trust the press/media, what hope is there for a cleaner political arena? maybe that is where a lot of attention should be directed. Too few oligarchs controlling too many media outlets. pinkpantheroz an hour ago

Hi Harleigh MurphTheSurf3 an hour ago

Harleigh! pinkpantheroz an hour ago

PPO – Pelosi is Trump’s ideal Dem House Speaker, she fights only for the superficial, PR issues, she doesn’t want to take him on or stop him. AdLib an hour ago

Hey Harleigh! AdLib an hour ago

then, Ad, she’s go to go. pinkpantheroz an hour ago

hey guys! Harleigh an hour ago

PPO….the death of local newspapers, the collapse of independent correspondents, the need to create dramatic tension and to keep things so simple that truth is made blase…..that is the face of the media enterprise today…… MurphTheSurf3 an hour ago

Ad, the House Dem old guard needs to get their knickers untwisted and listen to the new blood revitalizing them. pinkpantheroz an hour ago

I spent time with five blogs like the Planet and all of them have a pitifully low level of participation…..and it is clearly getting worse…..interaction is so rare that there is virtually no energy. MurphTheSurf3 an hour ago

Murph – That is how all criminal laws are written too. They lay out what the authority is to arrest someone but most laws say nothing about someone having to be arrested by police in a time frame for committing a crime. There are statutes of limitations that legally prevent someone from being prosecuted after a period of time but no specific directions in American law for police to arrest anyone. AdLib an hour ago

Murph–So by your question, we have to give up, and let the TLB and repubs run our democracy into the ground? It sounds to me as though you have no faith left in our government or its institutions to work as they should. Dems need to start taking control of the narrative, every day and every way they can. Pelosi can have more than one news conference a week, or she should let the squad answer every one of the TLB’s tweets. As you know, I’m just as much a pessimist as you are, but I am also an idealist, and I just can’t believe that we should just give up. glenn an hour ago

I repeat folks…what if the Senate just says “Nope” to articles of impeachment. Our skeletal constitution provides no guidance in this. It goes to the courts. MurphTheSurf3 an hour ago

glenn – You summed it up better than I did by describing Pelosi and Biden as “conservative” when it comes to Trump and impeaching him. That nails it! AdLib an hour ago

I’ll attack in my invisible Space Force ship! Harleigh an hour ago

Murph – If holding televised hearings for many weeks that expose the truth of Trump’s criminal behavior doesn’t convince people to oppose him, nothing will. But if it’s not tried, how is that better? AdLib an hour ago

glenn, no one is giving up. We just need to examine how to counter the upcoming barrage of GOP propaganda and reset Congress to normalcy, at least as close as possible. pinkpantheroz an hour ago

Glenn….who is listening with the kind of background, and tenacity as you and I? Not many. Yes, we are in a crisis but it begins at the base with a public that by and large has no idea of how government actually functions, is virtually illiterate when it comes to history or social structure or economics, and swims in an ocean of distraction. Trump and his denizens are operating very simply…give the ardent what they want to hear and they will follow you anywhere. MurphTheSurf3 an hour ago

Murph–To “piggyback” on what Ad is saying regarding criminal trials, remember that there are at least 7 proven instances in the Mueller report that could have resulted in indictments, except for DOJ policy. In addition, just this week, it was also shown in court papers that the TLB should have been indicted regarding campaign finance laws and the Stormy Daniels case. Dems need to start questioning and/or changing that DOJ policy of not indicting a sitting president, either through Congress or the courts. We need to keep making the case that NO ONE, not even a president, is above the law. That’s how we change public opinion of the sane people in the US. We are never going to change the TLB’s cultists minds, but we should be working on the ones we can change. glenn an hour ago

Murph – Your negating of the power of the media, having wall-to-wall coverage of impeachment and it flooding social media doesn’t make sense to me. Of course when something this big is highly publicized, it makes a difference. The examples you give of Bill Barr and others getting a bigger platform and being more convincing to the public than the hearings just doesn’t seem realistic. AdLib an hour ago

Ad….you presume there is an audience for those hearings…..I must be frank……the Mueller report is painfully clear. “If we could have exonerated the President we would have.” Ten instances of obstruction of justice. Widespread corruption of the electoral process by the Russians. Etc…….and yet it has barely made a dent. MurphTheSurf3 an hour ago

Hey Harleigh–go for it, man! glenn an hour ago

Harleigh, we didn’t mean right now! Come back! pinkpantheroz an hour ago

Murph – Have to repeat because I didn’t see that you responded to it. Do you think the public believed OJ was innocent and deserved support because he was not convicted? Your argument would mean he wasn’t seen as guilty by most Americans because he wasn’t found guilty. That isn’t true. AdLib an hour ago

Ad…those impeachment hearings will appeal to folks like you and me and ppo and glenn and harleigh but how many of us are out there….painfully few….I have been worried about the shrinking of American political mind for a long time but what took a very nasty turn with the nomination of Palin to be VP has continued apace. MurphTheSurf3 an hour ago

PPO – So true, that musty smell of elderly white people controlling our government has to go. We need fresh and energetic and can-do people in charge. AdLib an hour ago

OJ? Really. Popular fascination with a double murder by a athletic superstar….the stuff of soap opera journalism. Tantalizing and horrific….and what we are talking about. YAWN. MurphTheSurf3 an hour ago

Thanks, Ad. Pelosi and Biden are the old guard, and need to step aside gracefully, IMO. glenn an hour ago

If, as you all seem to be confirming, that the non-indicment of a POTUS is a custom/convention and not an actual statute, why can’t proceedings be immediately actioned, to be cha;llenged and then decided in the courts. This would bring all Trumps criminality/tax evasions and crimes to light. pinkpantheroz an hour ago

Murph – You’re mixing up apples and oranges. A televised hearing exposing the president as a criminal is going to get huge viewership. A legal document hundreds of pages long isn’t. Two very different things. AdLib an hour ago

I have neighbors who are now being hurt deeply and widely by Trump and his policies. And they remain faithful….finding their way, rather easily, to ignore any thought that runs counter to that of the Trump narrative. I hate to be so pessimistic but I truly am. MurphTheSurf3 an hour ago