Vox Populi, our weekly live chat on the week’s events begins tonight at 7:00pm PST. So much to discuss, hope to see you here.
AdLib 7 days ago
Hey Murph!
AdLib 7 days ago
Hi there…here is an excerpt from the report that kicked off the heated discussion today: Some 88% of black voters supported Clinton, versus 8% for Trump, who said repeatedly that black communities are in the worst shape ever. While that’s a large margin, it’s not as big as President Barack Obama’s victory over Mitt Romney in 2012. Obama locked up 93% of the black vote to Romney’s 7%. Clinton’s hold over Latinos was even more tenuous, despite Trump accusing undocumented immigrants of being criminal aliens and promising to deport them. Only 65% of Latinos supported her, while 29% cast their votes for Trump. In 2012, Obama won 71% of the Hispanic vote, while Romney secured 27%. Clinton also failed to capture as many young voters, who flocked to her rival Bernie Sanders in the primary and to Obama four years ago. She won 54% of voters age 18 to 29, compared to 37% who cast ballots for Trump. But Obama secured 60% of these young voters to Romney’s 37%. AND….The raw numbers seem to be little changed for the GOP but for the Dems they were down in every category.
MurphTheSurf3

7 days ago
Hey PPO!
AdLib 7 days ago
The meeting was majority Hispanic and Black.
MurphTheSurf3

7 days ago
Sick, sad, mad – you name it! GOTV didn’t work!
pinkpantheroz

7 days ago
Well may Lady Liberty hold her hands to her face
pinkpantheroz

7 days ago
Murph – That report omits an enormous factor, white conservative Dems in MI, WI and PA who voted for Obama but went for Trump.
AdLib 7 days ago
There was a lot of honesty in that room about failed strategies in their communities and a sense of hopelessness about how to motivate under 50, urban, and generally poor voters….especially male voters….I mostly listened.
MurphTheSurf3

7 days ago
Murph, I can’t get my head around the fact that Labor Union men voted for an arch-Conservative. Can someone please explain?
pinkpantheroz

7 days ago
Murph – Apathy was widespread this year as was negativity towards Hillary. It wasn’t just one race or demographic.
AdLib 7 days ago
Ad…..that is a reality as well but this meeting called by African American and Hispanic community leaders with party leaders
MurphTheSurf3

7 days ago
Ad…and Dems do not seem to know what the GOP does….Apathy costs and it costs big….2010, 2014, 2016
MurphTheSurf3

7 days ago
Medical People at two clinics and a hospital. A note to all staff from the corporation running all three. In response to inquiry about the Trump promise to repeal ACA: “Clearly the future of health care insurance is now very much up in the air. It is possible that many of our patients may be unable to continue their care at XXXXX if the subsidies provided to them are no longer available. It is possible that there may need to be a significant reduction in force if this were to occur. We counsel our employees to budget with this in mind.”
MurphTheSurf3

7 days ago
A discussion with the insurance agency with which I work. Key quote: “Since the plan on the campaign website and the plan passed by House of Representatives offered as replacements for ACA do not provide for any replacement of subsidies in a marketplace, I am advising my clients who have insurance through the marketplace to look at their options.”
MurphTheSurf3

7 days ago
Murph – I understand. Just saying that they aren’t alone on apathy.
AdLib 7 days ago
Unless McConnell kills the filibuster, Trump and Repubs can cut subsidies but they can’t get rid of the guarantee of insurance for pre-existing conditions. The insurance companies would lose enormous amounts of money, rates for all would skyrocket and maybe even some companies would go out of business. They need subsidies to continue.
AdLib 7 days ago
Hey Kes!
pinkpantheroz

7 days ago
I’m going to write an article about the impossible situation the Repubs are in now. When they couldn’t pass the repeal of the ACA, they were in hog heaven. They could excite their voters by voting repeal yet not have to figure out what came next. Now, they would kick 22 million Americans off health care yet force insurance companies to lose billions. WHoops! Maybe they can’t do it when it comes down to it without whipping up hatred for them in 2018 and 2020?
AdLib 7 days ago
Hey Vox’ers.I can’t believe he won! What does the autopsy say?
Beatlex

7 days ago
Hey Kes!
AdLib 7 days ago
Hi Beatlex!
AdLib 7 days ago
Hey, PPO! And friends!
kesmarn

7 days ago
Latest is that Trump has backed off repealing ALL Obamacare and keeping the good bits. Sounds like a Broken Promise to me!
pinkpantheroz

7 days ago
Needless to say, working the polls last Tuesday was… what would be the word?…Historic. (Or maybe hysterical?)
kesmarn

7 days ago
Kes, Apocalyptic!
pinkpantheroz

7 days ago
Cataclysmic? (Catatonic?)
kesmarn

7 days ago
Beatlex – In the end, there were many factors that allowed this to happen. Apathy, meddling by Russia and FBI, a status quo, uninspiring candidate in a change election year, lots of factors.
AdLib 7 days ago
Trumptastrophe?
AdLib 7 days ago
PPO – But will the RW Repubs go along with that? No way, they’ll block any repair of Obamacare.
AdLib 7 days ago
It was the Trumptanic! Michael Moore was one guy who accurately predicted this outcome months ago…and many of the reasons for it.
kesmarn

7 days ago
I am now doing a daily column at Yabberz called “PTSD: Post-Trumpatic Distress Syndrome” In its mast head I note: “Until Mr. Trump has earned the title, I will refrain from referring to his as President Trump, or The President, or Mr. President. While I respect the office, my complete lack of respect for him overshadows that historic sentiment. I am open to being surprised. I am also going to bring the same level of energy and purpose to my critique of him that opponents of President Barack H. Obama during his 8 years as our President.
MurphTheSurf3

7 days ago
Kes – You’re right, he was one of the few who predicted it but not sure if he really thought that or if it was a negative psychology thing because after the Access Hollywood tapes, he stopped saying that…until Comey stepped in to corrupt the election. Comey should be on trial for what he did.
AdLib 7 days ago
Murph – As the Maya Angelou quote goes, “When someone tells you who he is, believe him the first time.”
AdLib 7 days ago
Indeed
MurphTheSurf3

7 days ago
Interesting little side note: there were two guys who came to the polls to vote wearing campaign gear. (One for Johnson, one for Trump.) Not legal in the voting area. When I asked them nicely to take the gear off they both developed selective deafness. It wasn’t until our 6’2″ poll manager who wieghs 220# told them to do it or they wouldn’t be allowed to vote that they finally complied. A window into the way they regard women? And do these people only act in a cooperative way when a large, young white male orders them to, compete with threats?
kesmarn

7 days ago
Trump showed us all who he is and the pundits, especially the slime like Chris Matthews who keep trying to push how good Trump can be, are already proven to be dishonest and exploitive. They have no principles. I hope all the news station ratings tank. Of course Fox won’t but hope CNN who promoted Trump and MSNBC who did as well, nosedive.
AdLib 7 days ago
I spent election day working for a voter protection project. I live in rural Mo. and have done so for 8 years. I have never seen turnout like I saw that day. And it was clear a Trump Wave
MurphTheSurf3

7 days ago
A Trumpnami, Murph?
pinkpantheroz

7 days ago
I’m with you there, AdLib. The MSM failed us very badly this time around. Especially cable news.
kesmarn

7 days ago
Ad….and then we have Moaning Joe Scarboy.
MurphTheSurf3

7 days ago
kes, ALL media, pundits, pollsters Uncle Tom Cobbley and all got it wrong
pinkpantheroz

7 days ago
Same here with turnout, Murph. There are two (largely GOP) precincts at our location and turnout was about 75% Huge.
kesmarn

7 days ago
Kes – Very disappointing but I think you’re right. Bullies like that only understand bullying from others, they view reasonable, polite people as weak. And women are weak, you know? So men don’t need to listen to them. It’s disgusting but the bigots and misogynists are now emboldened and running rampant around America. Like they’ve been let out of the yard.
AdLib 7 days ago
Yes, PPO! Even Nate Silver!
kesmarn

7 days ago
Post-Trumpatic Stress Syndrome. The more I use the more it fits.
MurphTheSurf3

7 days ago
Exactly, AdLib. It was as though these guys felt empowered to simply walk right past a woman who was informing them of the law.
kesmarn

7 days ago
Murph, you should publish that one here on the Planet!
kesmarn

7 days ago
Murph – If we can zoom out a little and appreciate the normal ebb and flow of elections, it is very rare for voters not to want a “change” candidate after 8 years of any party in the WH. This was not abnormal. However, had Dems run a change type candidate like Bernie, perhaps they could have done better.
AdLib 7 days ago
I would be happy to cross post….I will see what I can do to expedite that with Ad.
MurphTheSurf3

7 days ago
Murph – Absoolutely, you’re very welcome to do so!
AdLib 7 days ago
Kes – That kind of bullying is spreading across the country. That’s what not being politically correct like their hero Trump means, openly disrespecting and showing prejudice towards women and minorities. The modern day version of brownshirts.
AdLib 7 days ago
I am honestly at a loss for words,I have lots of ideas as to why it happened,but I would need a mini novel to explain it
Beatlex

7 days ago
There were quite a few polls that showed Bernie would have beaten Trump — even before the primaries were over with. Alas, water under the bridge now I’m afraid… Bernie still has his cred and his influence totally intact though (except with a small minority who resent his endorsement of HRC), and that’s a good thing.
kesmarn

7 days ago
Ad….I regard this moment in our history as outside the normal cycle and patterns given that the worst candidate in the history of presidential politics has won and that he represents a bizarre coalition of right wing forces apparently hoping to overturn the republic.
MurphTheSurf3

7 days ago
BRB Coffee break!
pinkpantheroz

7 days ago
We are going to find out in due time what effect this will have,but I don’t see it being good
Beatlex

7 days ago
Murph – Agreed but it was a perfect storm. One factor, and it was only one of many, was that Hillary was so disliked, her candidacy actually exempted her from consideration.
AdLib 7 days ago
Yes — on the modern day brown shirts. I’ve encountered a few alt right people and they actually find it amusing and hilarious when their words produce a reaction of shock and outrage. They laugh about how easy it is to make progressives “blow up.”
kesmarn

7 days ago
Bernie looks better in polls because he was not the target for Trump….Sanders would have been ripped as a socialist/communist, radical anarchist, member of Jewish International Conspiracy, ally of the Clintons, from Vermont (is that really a state)….the table was set to reject any Dem for whatever reason.
MurphTheSurf3

7 days ago
Hillary and her e-mail,that dogged her all along.The electorate had it baked in
Beatlex

7 days ago
Oh, it definitely wouldn’t have been smooth sailing for Bernie either, Murph. But his tremendous consistency of message over the years made him stronger in the integrity department I think.
kesmarn

7 days ago
Kes – It’s becoming rampant, racism and prejudice done for shock value so they can laugh at the reaction. Reality tv gone mad, they get their kicks from outraging and verbally assaulting people. I can imagine that one possible scenario for the Trump era is a return to the kind of societal violence and conflict between races we saw in the 1960s.
AdLib 7 days ago
Kes….yes, he would be pictured as a mouthy pipsqueek who talks and talks and talks and never does a damn thing.
MurphTheSurf3

7 days ago
That is, white nationalists and minorities, not minority races against each other.
AdLib 7 days ago
I guess that America has forgiven a moral pig before.But Trump took it to a new level.People did’n’t care.Even women .Hillary under performed with everyone
Beatlex

7 days ago
Murph – It’s all theoretical, we don’t know that Trump’s BS would have worked against a man people liked listening to. We don’t know either way but I personally think it would have been harder to make it stick on Bernie as Hillary’s poor judgement made Trump’s exaggerated charges stick to her.
AdLib 7 days ago
Right, AdLib. There’s been a sort of green light given to speak whatever offensive thought happens to occur — and then claim your 1st amendment rights to defend it. (Occasionally 2nd amendment ones too.)
kesmarn

7 days ago
Beatlex, isn’t it amazing that women and Latinos voted for him at all? What were they thinking?
kesmarn

7 days ago
The day after Hillary “won” her losing would have begun- subpoenas, witchhunts, threats of appeasement, obstruction in Congress….a failed presidency from the start. I think she is better off as the also ran who had the higher popular vote.
MurphTheSurf3

7 days ago
They would have crucified her.
kesmarn

7 days ago
Murph – As opposed to Trump who only talks and lies about all he’s done? It would have been more of an advantage for Bernie then the deficit it was for Hillary.
AdLib 7 days ago
I always suspected that Bernie was the one person Trump actually feared.
kesmarn

7 days ago
Ad….the people who voted for Trump wanted to vote for Trump no matter what anyone said….and he would make the case for hanging Bernie….when you hold a conclusion as sacrosanct and filter out anything that runs contrary to that conclusion anyone on the opposing side can be made into a horrific villian.
MurphTheSurf3

7 days ago