Vox Populi – 1-30-2015

tada!

Harleigh

heyppo

Harleigh

i am just so sad we won’tget to listen to his wife’s whining. Money Boo Boo

Harleigh

LOL And how many times did you watch Palins speech?? OMFG Mid-nite drunks in the bars sound better.

Harleigh

sadly their new line of Myth Magic Flying Underwear with a pic of him and Ann on the buttflap won’t be sold for donation.

Harleigh

Hello everybody! Just heard that our Prime Minister is contemplating giving a knighthood to Flipper, acknowleging that Mitt is even more unpopular than him.

pinkpantheroz

Hey everyone. The mittster is not running for prez! Ad–love your line about the poor! LOL!

glenn

hey glenn, beatlex

Harleigh

This is a much better Deflategate story!

pinkpantheroz

Hello fellow mourners of the Mitt dropping out.(Sigh) the comedy gold he would have been

beatlex

I want a Palin – Bachmann 2016 for jebus ticket.

Harleigh

Hey Harleigh–how are you?

glenn

He must have heard Palin’s speech and said to himself: “NOOOOOOO’

pinkpantheroz

Harleigh–how would we know “witch” was “witch” on the palin/bachmann ticket?

glenn

I been saying that since way back on the old HP starting early 2008! LOL

Harleigh

Good one, glenn!

pinkpantheroz

Thanks, PPO!

glenn

glenn LOL what a screechfest with both onstage with open mics! OMG!

Harleigh

Mitt was farce anyway.All of a sudden he cared for the poor,Job#1 for him pfffft!

beatlex

Harleigh–I don’t think either one of them needs a mic!

glenn

What a joke myth is

Harleigh

harleigh and glenn, two voices that would shatter Tupperware. Yeuch!

pinkpantheroz

Good point Ad!

beatlex

Palin speaks through a salad shooter into a mr. microphone. pure nonsense.

Harleigh

Ad–Do you think Jebby will get the nomination? If he does, I think most repubs will see him as the “sane” one in their clown car, unless they want to go full right and go with Cruz or Carson!

glenn

OMG–Ad–ernst, palin, and bachmann on the same stage! If I were male, I’d be worried about holding onto my balls and covering my ears at the same time! As I’m female, I only have to worry about covering my ears. You guys better watch out!

glenn

Nah, Ad. Too many hogs at the GOP trough, scared they’ll lose what nuts they have left to contemplate her

pinkpantheroz

joni got jabbed real hard from some military sevice organizations for lying about combat experience. for

Harleigh

Sarah without the words to say printed right in front of her,is exposed to be the idiot she really is.Even her fan base is in the toilet.

beatlex

Beatlex–After all the republican angst about President Obama’s teleprompter, I just think it’s divine justice that palin’s dwindling pundit fan base finally saw what we liberals have seen all along.

glenn

True, Beatlex, but that’s the same for many in politics these days. Not an original quote or thought from any of them. All has to be spun and sanitized.

pinkpantheroz

beatlex I think she is now greatly diminshed.

Harleigh

glenn,thats Karma right? no one deserves it more tha Sistah Sayrah

beatlex

beat, 2 mules and sister Sarah

pinkpantheroz

BRB

pinkpantheroz

Ad–if the palin teleprompter goes out again, spontaneous combustion won’t be necessary.

glenn

Beatlex–I agree–no one deserves to be mocked, dropped, and quit upon more than the palindora box of lunacy.

glenn

Ad–if ernst lied about her combat experience, does that mean she could be lying about that there hog castratin’?

glenn

She was in charge of the truck drivers in supply division. no combat, no aircraft.

Harleigh

Ad–as usual, it’s a case of republican projection. Palin probably thought that President Obama couldn’t deliver a speech without a teleprompter. Of course, once again, our suave and well-spoken President proved them wrong in his SOTU. And, once again, the republican projection proved to be true–palin couldn’t deliver a speech without a teleprompter or a hand job!

glenn

oops–SOTU address.

glenn

Hello good folks. First you say you do then you don’t. Then you say you will and then you won’t, by Mitt Romney

sabreen60

Ad–you’re probably right–but as Beatlex says it is karma to see them hoist by their own petard, so to speak.

glenn

Hey Sabreen–I know, that mittster is such a tease, isn’t he?

glenn

Ernst is full of shit in family poverty, go $480,000 in farm subsidies…. way more than Bachmann

Harleigh

Harleigh– well of course ernst is full of shit. She’s a republican, isn’t she?

glenn

true glenn

Harleigh

lol hey sabreen

Harleigh

AdLib – But will you still love me tomorrow?

sabreen60

Sabreen–I don’t know about Ad, but I will always love you!

glenn

well then BENGHAZI!!!

Harleigh

Ok, so I shouldn’t laugh, but did anyone see the video of Chris Christie falling out the chair at the radio studio? If he wasn’t such a bully, maybe I wouldn’t think it was fully.

sabreen60

it was funny

Harleigh

Sabreen–didn’t see the video, but saw the headline, and I laughed out loud at it. And, it was funny! Did someone tell him to sit down and shut up?

glenn

Oh glenn

sabreen60

just on Skype call

beatlex

Harleigh–since you brought it up, what’s the count on the Benghazi investigations now? 99? 47? 2015?

glenn

Sabreen–just wish I had your wit and Dion’s singing voice!

glenn

Did Christie fall because he broke the chair?

glenn

Adlib – I’m glad you found it.

sabreen60

Ad and Sabreen–and it is still funny!

glenn

I understand Jebby is trying to get the money Romney would have gotten.

sabreen60

Ad–from your keyboard to the wingnut voters’ ears. I truly don’t understand republicans/tpartiers. Why in the world would want someone like Christie–rude, uncouth, and a bully–to be President of the United States? Can you imagine christie telling another world leader to “sit down and shut up” when he doesn’t agree with him/her? Personally, I don’t want someone “just like me” to be president. I want someone 100X smarter and 200x more diplomatic. I just don’t get it.

glenn

A shout out from the show me state

murphthesurf3

Ad and Sabreen–What I’m seeing is that walker has the koch brothers’ backing, and that’s all the money he needs! I think the nominee is going to be walker. And, Ad, those repub primaries ought to be very interesting, indeed.

glenn

LOL Christie and Walker! adlib,they are both under the shaddow of indictment

beatlex

Hey Murph–what’s showing in your state?

glenn

gleen anyone in any chain of command within 400 miles of Benghazi from the day before until the date after has been deposed or testified at at least one of the ‘investigations’. Gowdy is #10 I believe.

Harleigh

AdLib – Yeah, I forgot about Walker. He’s the union destroyer, so I know the money men love him.

sabreen60

hi muprh

Harleigh

oops…murph

Harleigh

Glenn….record aca signups, unhappy local farmers who now realize that the so call Right to Farm Amendment was a shell game, and the ferguson distrust that will not go away

murphthesurf3

Beatlex–a shadow of indictment doesn’t matter to repubs. They elected a guy in Staten Island who was under indictment; he got convicted after the election, and had to resign his seat. So, an indictment is a point of pride with republicans.

glenn

Hiya Murph!

sabreen60

Hi to ad lib, harleigh, sabreen

murphthesurf3

Hi to everyone – good to see all who are here!

choicelady

Murph–Record ACA signups without the state buying into the program? WOW!

glenn

Hey CL–how are you?

glenn

hi cl

Harleigh

Ms. CL – Glad to see you!

sabreen60

I’m fine, glenn. How are you!

choicelady

Glenn….we have broken through the goal two full weeks ahead of the deadline……demands for expanded medicaid continue to grow but it is not going to happen

murphthesurf3

Ad–great minds think alike!

glenn

Glenn,we are talking for President! They will be scrutinized for everything

beatlex

Hi Harleigh, great to see you Sabreen!

choicelady

Murph – Explain the Agriculture “shell game” – please.

sabreen60

CL-doing well also.

glenn

Beatlex – I want someone like the lesbian in (I think) OK who said she will out the adulterous slobs who challenge her equality. We need her or someone like her or, for want of another, Larry Flynt.

choicelady

Murph–that is great news! Even if expanded Medicare doesn’t happen, it’s another nail in the republicans’ coffin of governance.

glenn

Sab…the Right to Farm amendment was really a protection for corporations to do as they want, where they want, when they want….ground water issues which we had a handle on are now back to square one.

murphthesurf3

glenn – we don’t need expanded Medicare (that has 20% in private anyway) IF we can just keep moving ahead on ACA.

choicelady

Murph – That’s too bad. Maybe this will be a lesson to them.

sabreen60

Sabreen – why, oh why do people keep NEEDING ‘lessons’ anyway? Whatever happened to good sense?

choicelady

Bealtex–I’m not so sure about your theory. Everyone already knows about the “shadow of indictment” over both christie and walker, but that hasn’t stopped them from considering them viable candidates. Not ONE repub has come out and said, “maybe we shouldn’t run people who may be indicted.” In a rational world, your theory would apply, but not in the republican bubble.

glenn

Ad- I was at a meeting this week of a larger farmers association where we were told by our lawyer that the groundwater concessions we had won over the companies producing toxic fertilizer are now out the window. The moans and groans. Back in July I was tossed out of a meeting of this same group for raising questions about the real benefactors of the Amendment.

murphthesurf3

CL–sounds good to me. Keep up the good work!

glenn

AdLib – things are nuts but good. Can’t complain. Still waiting to hear back from our mutual Mama’s Hot Tamales friends. I’ll keep you posted.

choicelady

oops–Beatlex

glenn

Murph – just remember, dear: you are Cassandra and the prophet without honor in his own country. Both were CORRECT!

choicelady

glenn -IOKIYAR (It’s ok if you are Republican)

sabreen60

Sabreen – that is the most disheartening thing EVER! GOP gets a pass. No one else.

choicelady

AdLib – Even Tweetie on MSNBC tonight noted that the GOP brush off the criminals and re-run them. Dems exile them forever.

choicelady

Ad – sorry – Dems exile them just for LOSING forever.

choicelady

Thank you choice. At one point in the meeting one of my neighbors asked: “How come no one warned us?” The person I was sitting next to poked me and said “You did.” My reply: “They really do not want to hear that the town’s token liberal was right and they are wrong. “

murphthesurf3

Murph – Did anyone acknowledge that you were right?

sabreen60

Ad–I hope so. Remember all that fuss about Pastor Wright and the republicans screaming, “where there’s smoke, there’s fire” and President Obama “palling around with terrorists”? I just don’t trust the repubs to not be assholes. Can you imagine if christie or walker were actually eleced; then indicted? What an embarassment to our country!

glenn

Glenn,we atill don’t know what will happened there,the Press will be al over it,IMO

beatlex

Sabreen….jinx

murphthesurf3

Murph – you’re freaking more than a token. You’re a wise man. And no one likes that. Gramsci said there is a wide gulf between ‘common sense’ and ‘good sense’. You have the latter, they have the former.

choicelady

glenn – well yes, an embarrassment, but it would pretty much kill off the GOP, and I’m trying to find the down side of that…

choicelady

Murph – I just saw your response.

sabreen60

Ad – I will let you know what I hear.

choicelady

Choice “Commnon” vs “Good”

murphthesurf3

Murph–I have to agree with CL. You are a wise man. At least one person acknowledged that you know what you’re talking about!

glenn

Ad- I WANT you to have tamales!

choicelady

Murph – exactly. Good sense is yours. Common sense is…your neighbors’ ideas. That don’t work.

choicelady

Bill Maher tonight. The key question: “If Sarah Palin has a stroke, how will be know?”

murphthesurf3

CL–love it! I truly think it’s not so much the end of the gop as it is the end of the tea party idiots. I think the gop is finally realizing that their right wingnuts are more trouble than they are worth!

glenn

Murph – I liked Stephanie Miller’s observation that when Sarah goes off, it’s as if a Scrabble game exploded in her head.

choicelady

CL

murphthesurf3

glenn – it will take a boatload of brave conservatives to take back the party. As long as the Kochs fund the Teabaggers…

choicelady

Murph–that’s a great question! Maybe if she has a stroke, she’ll speak in complete sentences!

glenn

Murph – Jim Wright over at Stonekettle absolutely destroyed Sarah Palin. It was glorious.

sabreen60

CL–LOL! Stephanie Miller has it right!

glenn

Sab…I need to look into that.

murphthesurf3

Sabreen – I saw Stonekettle, and it was wonderful, yes!

choicelady

Sabreen–a couple of quotes from Stonekettle, please.

glenn

CL – I watched Stephanie Miller’s podcast and you know she had a field day. She’s and the rest are online at Free Speech TV.

sabreen60

There is literally “no one minding the store” with Sarah Palin.But what does it say about the process? That a ding bat can fly out of the proverbial rafters and raze all of our heads?

beatlex

I want to bring up something to our think tank…..I was approached about being an organizing member of a Ready for Hillary County Committee. No way in the world can she carry this state by there are House seats and a Senate Seat at stake and the Presidential Race is the spark for them. I am so luke warm on Hillary. Can someone convince me that I need to “Fake it until I Make it?

murphthesurf3

CL–True dat. Until we get the mega money out of politics, the koch bros. will rule.

glenn

Palin’s speech was so bizarre, so utterly incomprehensible, that the Democratic National Committee issued only a two word response via their communications director: “Thank you.” See, apparently, Palin’s teleprompter froze. And she had to speak off the cuff, and that gibberish above is what came out. Her teleprompter froze. Teleprompter. And see if you can understand this from the tundra tart: Speaking at the Iowa “Freedom” Summit, the Sourdough Shill didn’t disappoint, did she? It’s too big to succeed or fail with the retreads for changing Latino men riding other men because we won’t be taken for a ride! America! She contemptuously dismissed the President as “a little boy” and then sneeringly declared liberals and democrats are racists and sexists. It’s the same tune she’s been singing since John McCain took her to the prom and got his ass beat by the star basketball player.

sabreen60

Murph–that’s a true dilemma. Hillary is not my favorite Dem, but I sure as hell don’t want to see ANY republican anywhere near the White House.

glenn

beatlex

BRB

glenn

noddin off folks….

Harleigh

Harleigh – I will be sorry to lose you, but yes indeed – get some sleep!

choicelady

https://youtu.be/NvDHwVM-PJI

beatlex

Beatlex – is that the depth of Sarah’s gibberish you’ve transcribed?

choicelady

Sab- what got me was that Palin who has so mocked Obama for teleprompter dependency was umbilically connected to hers and since she does not real prep and disdains having the written remarks at the podium she had nothing to say and so she said nothing.

murphthesurf3

Nite Harleigh!

sabreen60

Nothing wants to work with the song,sorry

beatlex

Murph – I just smile when I think she got shafted by her own teleprompter.

choicelady

Oh Beatlex – sorry about that!

choicelady

Do I take it from the silence that we generally cannot rise to this challenge: I want to bring up something to our think tank…..I was approached about being an organizing member of a Ready for Hillary County Committee. No way in the world can she carry this state by there are House seats and a Senate Seat at stake and the Presidential Race is the spark for them. I am so luke warm on Hillary. Can someone convince me that I need to “Fake it until I Make it?

murphthesurf3

Murph – She doesn’t make sense when the teleprompter works. She has consistently lied about PBO needing the prompter or he’s doomed. I remember when ate the Republicans lunch in their house at thier conference. He answered question after question until they screamed “uncle”.

sabreen60

Murph – unless and until there is someone else, she’s the one. I don’t think you need to head such a thing, but you might want to keep a toe in the water?

choicelady

Murph – That’s a hard one. How good of an actor are you? I don’t like Hillary and I don’t trust her. And I certainly don’t trust Bill. I can see them denigrating PBO and his policies. Having said that, yeah back her 1000%.

sabreen60

Murph “Ladies and Gentlemen,the President of the United States,Jeb Bush!!! should scare you straight

beatlex

Sabreen – I agree, and I have never recovered from one of her supporters, a white woman, saying “America needs a woman to be president more than they need a Black person.” I’m still gawping. I will vote for her in the general IF there is no one else. But look what happened 2007 on. This man came out of nowhere, and….I’ve found the best president of my life now is in the WH.

choicelady

adlib,good point,but as we have seen,the Rs are slow on the uptake

beatlex

AdLib – on another blog I figured out that the reason Sarah does everything part time is because, well, you HAVE to be ready for the Rapture, right?

choicelady

I am reading along folks….appreciate your thinking. I will respond at the end.

murphthesurf3

All–with all this talk about Hillary, will there even be a Dem primary? Murph, can you wait until a Dem primary happens (if it does) to make your decision?

glenn

Most of the Repubs that come out every 4 years are grifters. There’s a lot of money to be made running for President.

sabreen60

I want a button to send to Sarah – “If the Rapture comes, will you REALLY go away?”

choicelady

CL–love your button! Than can we fake a fapture and she will go away permanently?

glenn

Murph – you are always a leader in MO. Do you HAVE to be now? Can you join in the ‘exploration’ process until someone else comes along if they do?

choicelady

glenn, I want Joe Biden, Martin O’Malley to throw their hats in the ring.

sabreen60

glenn – I’m working on it!

choicelady

Sabreen – I AM WITH YOU ON BIDEN, O’MALLEY!

choicelady

Sabreen–Me too. Or, at least someone else besides Hillary.

glenn

glenn – I want a ‘Wag the Dog’ moment to convince the extreme Right their time has come to LEAVE.

choicelady

The apparent plan to wait until July to announce officially is puttng pressure on the groups already on the ground to link and become BIG…thus the county thing. I don’t see anyone else in the wings and do mean no one else who I would want more or who could put together the money.

murphthesurf3

Murph – I think there are a lot of liberals who don’t want Hillary. However, she’

sabreen60

Sooooo – what does anyone think of Jim Webb? As a longtime supporter of blue collar unions full of white ethnic guys I like, I agree we need to care about them. But I fear he’s EXCLUDING people of color not expanding the INCLUSIVE nature of what could be a glorious society of diversity.

choicelady

Murph–and isn’t that a shame? That the Democratic party has “no one else in the wings” and more importantly, “could put together the money”. I think Warren could do it, but she’s insistent she isn’t running. And, in most ways, I think Warren should stay right where she is. What do you think of Sabreen’s and CL’s suggestions of O’Malley and Biden?

glenn

Oops. However, she’ll get all the money and endorsements. People I talk with are worried about Biden’s gaffes and O’Malley is an unknown.

sabreen60

AdLib – progs want only Bernie or Elizabeth. They pay no attention, so I think the money needs to go to people such as we are. Policy smart, motivated, energetic, diverse. Not ideological.

choicelady

AdLib – that was my feeling about him. I like some of what he says but not enough.

choicelady

Sabreen – well, PBO was an ‘unknown’, too.

choicelady

CL – Don’t like Webb at all.

sabreen60

CL–I forgot about Sanders. Do you think he’ll run?

glenn

CL – But look how long PBO was in the race. Unless someone steps forward soon, it may be too late for a real unknown.

sabreen60

Sabreen – that’s sort of what I think as well. glenn- Sanders WILL run, and I think it’s a huge error on his part. I will never forgive him for giving NO credit to PBO for letting Vermont do single payer as their state option. A gift they could not deliver, BTW,

choicelady

AdLib – WHO is a solid progressive that doesn’t make us all barf? Elizabeth isn’t running. That’s it. I don’t know any others.

choicelady

CL–so what you are saying, as of right now, that Hillary will get the nomination?

glenn

glenn – I sure the hell hope not.

choicelady

You guys are not helping me move toward Hillary…..

murphthesurf3

AdLib – the moment Hillary won the primaries, she’d move center right again.

choicelady

Murph – we’re not the right crowd for pro-Hillary whooping.

choicelady

Murph–sorry. You asked us to give our opinions, such as they are. As I said when you first asked, you truly have a dilemma!

glenn

As a Canadian I see in Hillary Clinton a leader,she has just adjusted her positions to take advantage of the politics of the moment.Isn’t that what the President did to get elected.I think she would make a fine President.Of course we know that there is only so much a President can do.Are we not seeing that play out POV’s?

beatlex

Ad…Bernie is the embodiment of the old saying: “When all is said and done, with Bernie a lot more gets said than done.” His record for outcomes..miserable.

murphthesurf3

Murph – I have personal reasons to love Hillary who was enormously kind to someone I know. That’s not enough. I’ve been to the mountaintop and seen what a GREAT president can do. I do not want to head into my (cough) older years with Hillary and mediocrity.

choicelady

I don’t have a problem with Sanders getting in the race. He’s an avowed Socialist, so I that’s a turnoff for a lot of people. But I agree that he could possibly move Hillary to the left.

sabreen60

Murph – that is HILARIOUS! Thank you – I will use that with Bernie freakoids.

choicelady

glenn and all…I WELCOME your thoughts…..you are confirming my ambivalence…

murphthesurf3

AdLib – I agree. With all his gaffes, I still like Biden, and because of Sabreen I’m strongly looking at O’Malley. But otherwise? I see no one.

choicelady

Beatlex–I agree about Clinton being a leader. The question is–is she the leader the US needs now? I think her presidency will experience the same virtoil that PBO has experienced. I’m so sick of lying republicans/tpartiers and not sure I would like to experience another four years of this nonsense. On the other hand, I’d rather see Clinton as president over any repub!

glenn

Hillary is hawkish. Sanders, Warren is too far left for me. Webb is a blue dog, O’Malley is more pragmatic like PBO. But Hillary has the mojo.

sabreen60

AdLib – I think the issue of “progressives” is also very dicey. I think we all are. Lots think we’re not. Those I met around CA are…not. But think they are. Big mess.

choicelady

My question is do I have a alternative? Do I have someone I want to be on the podium at the DNCovention? O’Malley is the best of the bunch as a functioning and experienced leader with balance but he is dry, dry, dry as toast.

murphthesurf3

I WANT AL FRANKEN! Or someone…

choicelady

Choice Imaging if we COULD choose based on talent….and not image.

murphthesurf3

Murph! TALENT not IMAGE? That’s subversive!

choicelady

OK – I want Jeb Bartlett because that’s who we’ve had for 6 years. I want ANOTHER ONE.

choicelady

choice…that’s me….a rebel.

murphthesurf3

Glenn,NO doubt,I think she will surprise people this go’round

beatlex

AdLib – totally agree, slam dunk.

choicelady

Murph – pick someone you believe in and open a MO exploratory committee of one.

choicelady

CL

sabreen60

Ad….your presentation captures so many of my concerns.

murphthesurf3

Sabreen – I think we agree!

choicelady

Adlib.I can’t argue that truth.But the alternative,whoever it is,will be worse.They will start new wars,etc

beatlex

AdLib – likewise, and I get anecdotal stuff around the internet that shows a LOT of people would. He has the same moxie as PBO.

choicelady

Ad–I love Biden, too. I think he is a truly kind man. I also think he’s much smarter than people make him out to be. BTW, when are the primaries? How long do candidates have to “declare”?

glenn

AdLib – PBO and Biden are strong and fearless. Hillary is strong and gutless. Big difference.

choicelady

AdLib – Hillary is no PBO. One reason Repubs are so pissed they can’t get anything negative on him.

sabreen60

Sabreen – yessssss. How awful that a Black man from a single mom is more family oriented and moral than ANY of the GOP. GASP!

choicelady

Funk….do you have the balls to be in your current location?

murphthesurf3

AdLib – I don’t know a lot of Franken’s current policies, but he was the one showbiz person to whom I gave a pass for his incredible analyses of policy on Air America. He is awesome in his knowlege and his core values. And he’s freaking funny!

choicelady

Fully inflated sir

funksands

Funk…..for inflating or deflating.

murphthesurf3

Murph – O’Malley isn’t dry. He’s just really laid back

sabreen60

FUNK!!! How great to see you!!!

choicelady

Hey Funk!

glenn

Funk! Don’t you owe me a drink or dinner or something?

sabreen60

Sabreen – if Murph sees him as dry, he can improve on that. Image stuff is the easiest to fix.

choicelady

Howdy all!

funksands

Sab…if O Malley is not dry he does a very convincing impersation of someone who is…AND he has no record that will grab the country’s attention.

murphthesurf3

Every morning!

funksands

AdLib! LOL!!!

choicelady

CL – He was a very good governor here in Maryland. He can be soft spoken. He doesn’t have the charisma of PBO, but the Dems here really liked him.

sabreen60

Murph – if O’Malley decides to run, the good image folks will make him far more vibrant. He has a solid core, and from there you can move anywhere.

choicelady

Sabreen – i’m watchin O’M very closely, yes.

choicelady

Funk–hate to leave as you’re just arriving, but it’s time to call it a night! Murph, I know you will make the best choice for you; so hang in there. G’night to the rest of you, and I hope everyone has a good weekend.

glenn

well, I would welcome choices

murphthesurf3

Oh glenn – good night! Lovely to have shared time with you!

choicelady

Face it my American friends,you will keep electing Presidents,only to have them stymied by the R’s.It’s seems to be your lot in your political lives.Solutions??? Beats me

beatlex

He’s the only current Dem governor that I think can pull off a run. Brown would do it (and still might), but he’s 114 years old. Beebe would be interesting, but would likely really struggle in the primaries

funksands

Glenn, I’m used to it.

funksands

Beatlex – this may be the years of the GOP swan song. They are SO BAD they may become invisible.

choicelady

Glenn,see you !!

beatlex

funk – Jerry Brown is a DINO. He’s been corrupted even more than he was, and he is NOT a prog, not even a Catholic anymore. He’s a business suckup bastard.

choicelady

choicelady,a word answer…redistricting…

beatlex

The GOP is likely to lose the Presidency, and the Senate and will lose some seats in the House, but may pick up yet more governorships and statehouses

funksands

Nite glenn. Take care.

sabreen60

Beatlex – yes, but we’re working on several ‘citizens commission’ initiatives in the Midwest. That can make a huge difference.

choicelady

brb

funksands

CL,I truly hope it works,grassroot movements work the best

beatlex

Beatlex- your note on the Presidency as a bit of windmill tilting is one that makes sense – I keep coming back to a basic understanding on my part….we have a limping system that is easily styied by partisan divides.

murphthesurf3

Ad, personally I think Biden will get his assed kicked if he runs and is really not much better than Hillary. I like him very much personally, but nothing about him excites me other than the continuation of some of Obama’s key policies.

funksands

Probably bias, but I also like Chris Van Hollen. I know he’s unknown, but he’s been one of the very few Dems to stand tall re ACA and PBO.

sabreen60

nite glenn thanks for your thoughts….very valuable…

murphthesurf3

Sabreen – Van Hollen, Whitehouse, Brown (Sherrod the good Brown) and a few others appeal to me, too.

choicelady

Murph, its been a $10 Trillion lesson for the American people on the limits of executive power on a domestic level

funksands

Shred Brown would be great.

funksands

Funk, why $10 trillion.

murphthesurf3

Choice, I like your list.

murphthesurf3

Murph, that’s how much the GOP has cost the economy in unmet economic capacity

funksands

I don’t know enough about Brown’s record.

sabreen60

Murph,precisely what I am saying.It just is a mess right now.Maybe it will self correct…But with the KOCH’S loaded for the long haul now…

beatlex

Funk…..ah….ever the financial mind….

murphthesurf3

An *estimated* $10 Trillion by 2016

funksands

AdLib – I think you’re onto something very powerful there about Biden.

choicelady

That’s a lot of money I hear

funksands

funk – it makes Everett Dirkson look like a piker. Do you know the statement?

choicelady

AdLib – OBAMA was the underdog, too.

choicelady

Biden seems to be a throwback to the George HW Bush, Reagan sytle of candidate…would that sell in the general population.

murphthesurf3

Astute as usual from you about Biden Ad

beatlex

Is this a Vietnam thing Choice?

funksands

Murph – I think Biden has the same style of warmth as Obama and not Reagan or ick Bush. He genuinely LIKES people – it’s not a smarmy act.

choicelady

$50,000 for every man woman and child in the United States.

funksands

funk – Nope. Dirkson said, “A billion here, a billion there – pretty soon you’re talking REAL money.”\

choicelady

Oh yeah. That’s a good one!

funksands

I like Biden. He’s a good guy. But seriously, I don’t see him as President.

sabreen60

I’d love to see Uncle Joey run. He’s so damn entertaining.

funksands

Sabreen – i think he’d be fine.

choicelady

funk – Uncle Joey – Biden?

choicelady

murphthesurf3

Murph – I’m into policy not electoral stuff, so the graphic is confusing to me.

choicelady

Murph – except it’s all BLUE. That part I like.

choicelady

Yep, that’s what a lot of people call him. The crazy uncle that’s a character. Embarrassing, funny but with a good heart

funksands

funk – after GHW Bush, Biden glows in the dark!

choicelady

Beebe is my dark horse candidate. I think he’s evaluating a run. I think O’Malley is great. I’d love to see him run. Good dude.

funksands

Bush was just embarrassing

funksands

funk – you want NETANYAHU? OK – I obviously don’t know whom you mean.

choicelady

MIKE Beebe, Governor of Arkansas

funksands

BTW – my sister-in-law went to Hight School with the Netanyahu brothers. If I liked her, I’d ask her about them. But I don’t. So I won’t.

choicelady

Funk,he was and is a mental midget,reduced to drawing silly pictures.

beatlex

funk -ohhhhhh THAT Beebe.

choicelady

….in his own feces

funksands

AdLib – I agree with your very insightful analysis.

choicelady

Ad, that was her biggest struggle in 2008. Not convinced she’s shaken that despite her best efforts.

funksands

Beatlex – who? Beebe???

choicelady

Kalima????

funksands

Choice he is referring to Turd Blossom

funksands

AdLib – It’s quite possible that Hillary is the Buffalo Bills. They blew their first Super Bowl and their best year was that one. Maybe 2008 was hers, and it’s all downhill from there?

choicelady

You know Biden suffered an aneurysm. I don’t know if the gaffes are related to that or not. I’m not be disparaging, but hubby had a very mild stroke and I see some differences. Maybe not enough to make a difference. But I’m just saying. Or maybe I shouldn’t.

sabreen60

funk – ahhhh. That’s a relief.

choicelady

Well, my friends, a very good discussion and very helpful to me.

murphthesurf3

I’m not 100% convinced that she is 100% convinced to run yet.

funksands

Night Murph!

funksands

Sabreen – i’d totally forgotten that. It could explain a lot.

choicelady

Funk…not leaving quite yet…..but I wanted to thank everyone for their time on this.

murphthesurf3

Sabreen I don’t think you’ll jinx anything….

funksands

Murph – my only advice would to be part of something but not the leader of it now in case someone better comes along.

choicelady

Murph, I thought I told you goodbye…get out of here.

funksands

funksands

funk – your wish is NOT Murph’s command, dear.

choicelady

CL,What? i am talking about GWB! LOL

beatlex

Funk….ask my neighbors…I am hard to get rid of…..

murphthesurf3

Ha!

funksands

Beatlex – lost the freaking thread and it was SO confusing!

choicelady

Murph – in our neck of the woods, your intractable nature is a GOOD thing.

choicelady

Nah Funk. Just didn’t want to step on anyones toes.

sabreen60

Structurally the Democrats have a LOT of work to do before we even need to worry about an actual candidate. We repeat the same strategy in 2016 that we did in 2014, we’ll get our ass kicked again.

funksands

Funk – I think we need someone other than Debbie Wasserman-Schultz on the case.

sabreen60

Oi vey you got that right. Great lady. NOT the right choice for that position

funksands

Oy rather… ha

funksands

Here is what emerging in my neck of the woods regarding the overarching strategy….DEMS CANNOT WIN THE MONEY BATTLE…THERE FORE WE MUST WORK TO MAKE MONEY FAR LESS RELEVANT….and that means an informed and dedicated Democratic electorate that will dismiss monied propaganda for the manipulation it is and offer an alternative to family, friends and neighbors.

murphthesurf3

Ad, I agree with that. I just don’t think Hillary will have to take any chances against Biden. She can play it very safe and cruise.

funksands

Well, dear friends, I’m going to bid adieu. I have one homeless guy in rehab whom I see very Saturday and another headed there Monday. Tending these folks has been very stressful, and I need SLEEP to get through it all. Murph – that is an excellent point, and it does mean we need a candidate with very little baggage for whom we can WORK and not have to DEFEND. That may be the most important distinction.

choicelady

Night Choice!

funksands

Night funk – be well!

choicelady

Ad, if they’re allowed to vote.

funksands

I think disenfranchisement had a bigger effect on 2014 than some realize

funksands

Thanks choice and good night. Admire your work with the homeless…..it goes beyond just a bit of food and a place to flop….remarkable.

murphthesurf3

Murph, that middle way is absolutely the answer, but I don’t quite know what “it” is.

funksands

Murph – well, the front porch IS where one flops. A homeless woman who knows him and me came and cleaned it up tonight. I am SO grateful – it was a bit ripe.

choicelady

Good night, CL.

sabreen60

Funk…the winnng in spite of money is the key but how.

murphthesurf3

AdLib – I do, too! K. has been away, so next week should be good I hope.

choicelady

Good night, Sabreen – always insightful talking with you!

choicelady

Friends and neighbors is critical for the long game, but not super-helpful on a national level every two years.

funksands

Goodnight Choice!

beatlex

Murph, what do you think is the FIRST step? Is that clear to you? It’s murky to me.

funksands

funk – do we have ANY choice but a constant friends and neighbors approach? We are outspent always.

choicelady

Good night, Beatlex – thank you as always for your insights.

choicelady

CL, that’s kind of what we are kicking around.

funksands

Nite beatlex!

sabreen60

Bottom line my American friends ” it is the economy stupid”

beatlex

AdLib – Hillary has been really quiet on a lot of issues. She’s playing it safe. I don’t see her instilling a lot of confidence.

sabreen60

Who said I was going to bed folks? I have more to say!

beatlex

Did you all see that Stephanie Kelton, one of the preeminent MMT economists in the nation got hired by Bernie Sanders to be the Dem lead economist in the Budget Committee? Awesome!

funksands

Beatle…it is in the minds of the American voter but the reality that the global enviroment esp. regarding instability IS the economy does not seem to register.

murphthesurf3

Hillary just announced that she’s delaying her decision to enter the race for another 6 months at least. That doesn’t sound like someone who is worried.

funksands

Oh, I thought someone said Nite to you, Beatlex

sabreen60

Sabreen,CL was going,how are you doin’

beatlex

Well, all I know is that I will absolutely hold my nose and vote for the Dem in GE. There is no Republican on the planet that could get me to vote for him/her. And with that dear friends, I bid you all Good Night

sabreen60

The Dems just hired as their lead economic voice an economist that calls the focus on reducing deficits and debt as utter bullshit. I love it!

funksands

Sabreen I totally agree. You HAVE to be a comparative voter in national elections.

funksands

adlib,foreign and domestic balls are in the air,Hillary is waiting to see what happens.Which is smart,

beatlex

Night Kitty

funksands

Hillary’s message is going to boil down to “I like a lot of what Obama did, but I’m going to be able to actually get stuff done”

funksands

Well, I am off to bed. I thank you one and all for your wisdom.

murphthesurf3

night murph

funksands

GUNITE MURPH!

beatlex

brb

funksands

Ad, that’s called “compromise”. Right?

funksands

But Ad… Bono!

funksands

https://youtu.be/QQLWF_ItzYs

beatlex

beatlex

Ad, I’m just waiting to see what “very serious” people she surrounds herself with. That will tell us everything we need to know

funksands

Not that I’m cynical or anything

funksands

Right around this summer is when the really batshit loony conservative season kicks off. Gonna be a humdinger

funksands

And in the end,if we can’t laugh at the absurity of life,we are lost.I don’t sense us there yet…

beatlex

Not in Canada at least!

funksands

Ad, I’m hopeful that she learned something then. We’ll see.

funksands

John Podesta doesn’t tell me much. I think he works every campaign

funksands

She has hired a couple of Obama campaign managers as well. Joel Beneson for one.

funksands

Right now its all white dudes, which totally sends the right message

funksands

Ad, quit beating around the bush and tell me whether you like Hillary as a candidate! Quit being so cryptic.

funksands

I think he’ll bring the much-needed domestic violence perspective to the issues.

funksands

Well, time is short. Long week this week. Looking forward to a dominating 31-16 win by the Seahawks in the Superb Owl Big Game!!

funksands

Anyone have any big plans for Sunday? X I know you’ll be watching 1985 Edmonton Oiler repeats, so enjoy those.

funksands

Damn Ad, I guess I’ll just have to wait until 2016 to find out if you support her or not.

funksands

How could you not? Is there anyone more insufferable than Bill Belichick? He reminds me of Boehner

funksands

LOL

funksands

Night buddy. Have a good weekend! X enjoy your weekend too!

funksands

You guys seem to be caught in “What if” territory.The system is NOT going to change anytime soon.The damage in my mind is severe.And will take a generation to fix x

beatlex

adlib,I am with you either way.a olne voice from far away

beatlex

Nite folks

beatlex

beatlex

Goonight Povers!

beatlex