• choicelady : You, too AdLib and Murph!

  • AdLib : Night CL! Have a wonderful weekend!

  • MurphTheSurf3 : Goodnight!

  • AdLib : Take care Murph!

  • choicelady : AdLib and Murph – I’m going, too, and had a wonderful time with you both and everyone tonight. GREAT discussion. See you next week I hope!

  • MurphTheSurf3 : Choice and AdLib….thanks for all of the input…

  • choicelady : Murph – we’re all interested, and it will be a huge discussion Tuesday I’m sure. I will feed you all I learn from our US Attorney. My one fear about him, whom I have known for years, is that when Perez goes to Labor, HE may be recruited as the Civil Rights head in DC and then I will just curl up and die from losing him here. He’s amazing.

  • MurphTheSurf3 : Well folks. I am certainly glad I stopped by after my less than happy meeting tonight….this was a boost. Until next time.

  • AdLib : Murph – Yes, you can’t be tried twice for the same crime but the Feds can charge a murderer for violating the civil rights of another citizen or for hate crimes, both of which would be charges other than murder but connected to the murder. And SYG has no bearing on either.

  • MurphTheSurf3 : Choice- direction re. what the hate crime possibilities might be.

  • choicelady : Murph – those who watch FOX are just never going to be happy. Just are not.

  • choicelady : Murph – direction in which “this”? If it’s ACA in CA you won’t find anything. Otherwise – I’m lost here.

  • AdLib : Murph – Yes, I think he had been thinking about all of this for some time, years probably, but this outrage probably crystallized what he wanted to say and gave him the opportunity to say it. This was the earnest speech of a black man who acts as a President for all of us but knows the pain that a big part of the nation is dealing with.

  • choicelady : Murph – that’s a very cool story, but it’s also kind of sad. I do know – I’m white – that it happens.

  • MurphTheSurf3 : Ad Lib and Choice….Before the meeting I had to stop at a local hardware store. There was a group talking about the speech in very unflattering terms…Many were citing Hannity’s analysis that Obama is now identifying himself as a gang member and pot smoker…..so here you go.

  • AdLib : Murph – What he did, speaking from his personal knowledge and experience as a black man, was become a bridge between communities, sharing the hard realities that black men and women have to live with while being able to speak to white Americans in a way that makes them receptive. Quite a feat, one that no other President has ever done.

  • choicelady : AdLib/Murph – what is amazing to me is that his talk today was not seen by anyone I know (admittedly an unusual crowd of people) as making him a “Black” president. It was so broad and comprehensive and so inclusive that tons of white people who care but not deeply involved were really touched by it all. OK – I know no Baggers at all, but it resonated with millions of people who are NOT Black.

  • MurphTheSurf3 : Choice- I need to get some more direction in this. I will do some reading.

  • MurphTheSurf3 : Choice- my sister tells a story of pulling up to a stop light with our mom when we were living in Texas and a car with a bunch of black kids pulling up next to their car. My mother told my sister to lock the car doors on her side while my mother did the same on her side (manual locks). The man driving the car, with what were probably his kids, clearly saw what they were doing. He said something and then he and his kids all waved at my mother and sister. My sister waved back and my mom made a turn that took her out of her way- she could not deal with it.

  • AdLib : CL – Love all you said and I hope you’re right. I do think the DoJ wants to get everything they possibly can to help them build a strong enough case to proceed so they’re pulling out all the stops. Agreed, just as he was there for the Aurora and New Town families, he wanted to be there for the whole black community who rightly feel victimized by this verdict. It was unprecedented, this speech should be the start of something bigger too, he should continue to stand tall against racism and lead us as a people to be a better nation. He can be that kind of great President, he has been remarkable but this could signal a new stage of his Presidency.

  • choicelady : Murph – not necessarily, but I do not think the feds would go after him on murder. I dealt with that in NY when the state court and federal court both went after the assassin of an abortion provider. They both charged murder, and even had he gotten off on STATE charges, the federal FACE law permitted the feds to charge him with it under different standards. Same here though I get NO rumblings that they will do that. But hell – I get no rumblings at ALL. I will see our US Attorney Tuesday. I’m sure this is THE topic for our quarterly Hate Crimes Task Force meeting! I will let everyone know what I learn.

  • MurphTheSurf3 : Ad- the state trial provides him with immunity from prosecution for the murder does it not?

  • choicelady : Murph – oh my yes, and it made it especially wonderful to have him ‘speak from the heart’. That’s another reason he waited – to be sure of what he wanted to say to be able to say it without having written it down.

  • MurphTheSurf3 : Choice- and your thinking is also sound. I need to spend some time with both excellent responses. Did it seem to you both AD LIB and CHOICE that the remarks seemed extemporaneous- no notes, no prompter….or is this just another example of Obama’s considerable memory?

  • AdLib : Murph – I don’t know that beating the murder rap in a SYG state really means anything to the Feds who don’t have that to deal with. It may be tough but I think a case of racism could indeed be built against Zimmerman though whether it would be strong enough for a hate crime conviction, I don’t know.