• AdLib : Night, CL!

  • AdLib : It’s a gradual climb in The House and we may lose some in the Senate because of how this 2014 cycle works but in 2016, the stars could be aligned.

  • choicelady : Good night! Lovely weekend to you and yours!

  • choicelady : AdLib – oh I HOPE you are right! We have to undo the decades of harm and restore the primacy on sustainable self sufficiency and jobs. We shall see what comes in 2014. I hope we take BOTH houses.

  • AdLib : Night Choicelady, really looking forward to Friday with some solid HOPE. Have a great weekend!

  • AdLib : CL – Oh, they will be back at it and they will replace their racist reasons for hatred with misogyny. The key is that by then, the 2010 Repub sweep is finally reversed and the Dems once again control Congress.

  • choicelady : AdLib – see you Friday, and funk – see you SOON I hope. I am also heading to bed. Been a long and busy week. Take care – have a lovely weekend!

  • choicelady : Good night, Murph. Lovely to see you albeit too little due to my call.

  • AdLib : A good night back to you, Murph! Rest well!

  • MurphTheSurf3 : Well, it is nearly 12:30 here…a marathon..well done all. Good night to you Ad Lib and you CL….and belatedly to Funk.

  • choicelady : AdLib – What scares me is that if there is a residue of Baggers and conservatives, the SAME STUFF will happen. They hate her. She will be LESS able to navigate the dirty waters than Obama who has a will of iron. I’m NOT convinced she won’t be just like Bill, for different reasons, caving to the conservatives. Her heart is there for far too many issues.

  • AdLib : Murph – The Baggers are very effective with it on their side, Progressives need to throw their weight around with whoever gets the nom in 2016, especially Hillary who has a track record and a family on the right side of the middle.

  • MurphTheSurf3 : Funk- do you think OFA is really progressive or is it an Obama, govern just left of center, position? I know a number of OFA operatives and they are young, savvy and practical. I wonder.

  • AdLib : Sorry about that Murph!

  • choicelady : Murph – well, knock the server right back! The nerve of them!

  • MurphTheSurf3 : Ad Lib- like your progressive push scenario for Hillary…that may be viable.

  • AdLib : CL – Yes, I’ll be there and looking forward to seeing you!

  • MurphTheSurf3 : Choice…i am here…just got knocked off the server

  • choicelady : Well AdLib – will I see you Friday? As far as I know our CC friends are still on. Mama’s again. Yum. Hope we can do this, all four of us.

  • AdLib : CL – Maybe whoever called you just called him?

  • AdLib : CL – It will be a situation with Hillary of the Progressive Dems pushing her hard on Prog issues and nominees for cabinet (assuming she wins). She is more conservative than Obama and friendlier to the enemies of democracy, namely Wall Street. At the same time, being the first woman POTUS, she may be very mindful about leaving a better legacy than her husband’s conservative destruction.

  • choicelady : What happened to Murph? Missed saying goodnight!

  • choicelady : funk – we WILL find a way!

  • AdLib : Have a great weekend, Funk! We’ll do it again next week!

  • choicelady : ‘Night funk!

  • funksands : CL, don’t tease me. ;-)

  • choicelady : funk – sorry I was out for so long. Missed talking more. Have a great night. We are scheduled to head up to Lummi in probably July, so if all goes well, THIS time, maybe…?

  • funksands : Folks I am a pumpkin. I’m turnin’ in early. Great discussion tonight! Wish I could have gotten here earlier. Take care Ad, Murph, CL

  • choicelady : All – I never again will be totally comfortable with Hillary since finding out she admired and hung out with David Coe of “The Family” – the C Street leader. That just purely creeps me out. Of course Gore liked him, too. Cannot explain the flesh crawling I get when I think of it. BUT that said, she did a huge, great job as Sec’y of State indeed. Maybe she has outgrown Coe. PLEASE!

  • AdLib : I remember Hillary pandering to the conservative vote in 2008, attacking Obama for being too liberal and saber rattling about war with Iran. Will that be gone from her next run or will it be a rerun?

  • funksands : Ad, I don’t either. She couldn’t have handled herself any better as SOS. She’s incredibly popular and respected for good reason. The only wild card is if Biden runs, a third person could sneak in.

  • choicelady : AdLib – well it turns out they weren’t the screaming phoners. They say. I believe that. And there is a huge rift between CNA and the group that did that. I will just have to see how it plays out – but I told my friend who called from CNA – are we going to discuss real strategy or sit around politically masturbating. She cracked up. (It maybe was not my finest moment, but still…) We have to stop the self congratulation and DO THE WORK. CA prides itself on being a leader in all issues, and I’ve yet to see ONE since I returned in 2000. This will be a most interesting meeting. Either the start of something good – or the absolute end.

  • AdLib : Just being pragmatic, I don’t see how anyone beats Hillary in the Dem Primaryeven if she’s positioned as a conservaDem.

  • choicelady : funk – AH! Yes! Thank you!

  • AdLib : CL – Sounds very interesting indeed, please do keep us updated (and even feel free to write a post about it when it develops more). Hope they’ve learned their lesson after sabotaging themselves the last time around.

  • choicelady : Murph – we had a major catastrophic failure last year over our single payer bill. And I laid a lot of the cause to the people I’m meeting with. They had a roomful of doofuses who sat around saying, “We’re going to overthrow capitalism” and such stuff. So whether they can actually address the DETAILS and do the intricate analyses of cost that are esstential? Jury (me) is still out.

  • funksands : CL: Governor of Maryland

  • AdLib : Murph – I could be wrong but I think that once Hillary is officially running and memories are jogged about Bill’s terrible policies, many Progressives will want to ask those questions. And being contrary is a natural cycle for Progs and even the MSM. At the same time, there will be many Dems who act like Repubs, swearing full allegiance to Hillary the moment she announces and attacking other Dems who dare question her.

  • funksands : One thing I think is overlooked is that the OFA is now a creature of its own. And it is run and staffed and operated by a lot of progressives. It is going to raise a shitload of money and have a huge impact on the next race. If you are going to be a Presidential candidate that gets the benefit of that organization you are going to have to shape your message to fit it. I think that could be enormously beneficial and a real game-changer

  • MurphTheSurf3 : CL…I wonder if stories like that in time showing how profit is the real villain in the medical costs issue are driving the discussion back toward sngle payer, i.e. medicare for all…

  • choicelady : Oh wow is this embarrassing – who is O’Malley?

  • choicelady : Murph – had a VERY LONG phone call I needed to take. Sorry to miss so much of the discussion!

  • funksands : I like O’Malley. I need to know much more, but I like what I see.

  • choicelady : Everyone – I have been invited back into the single payer discussion with the very people who, I thought, wanted to see only my backside. It’s the CNA and other unions. Suddenly they are saying what I said about needing to grow up and do the work organizing and educating. They are DSoc folks largely, and I will be VERY interested in whether they have moved on from trashing Obama to seeing they need to move forward, not set fire to ACA and the world. It will be a revelation which i will dutifully report to y’all.

  • MurphTheSurf3 : Ad Lib- how do we address the issues you raise re. Hillary? To be truthful I wish that the talk was so much focused on her (and then to Biden who really will be too old) and then where O’Malley…

  • AdLib : Hey CL! Welcome back! Yes, the Hillary I saw in 2008 was pretty distasteful. The one I’ve seen since as SoS has been impressive. Has she changed? I don’t know.