Vox Populi – 1-25-2013

AdLib : Sounds good, looking forward to it! Have a wonderful weekend!

SallyT : Well, I will let you go and enjoy your weekend, AdLib. See you later and you will find the cartoons there Saturday around 4:00.

AdLib : Great, just a little code problem last time, glad all is well now!

AdLib : I imagine, Hillary’s hearing and women in combat will share some space in cartoons!

SallyT : Good night, Murph.

SallyT : I finally got the hang up of getting my personal comments under them, too. Well, I think I have.

MurphTheSurf3 : Good night Ad Lib, Sally, Choice…..

AdLib : Sally – Your work on the Funnies is self-evident and very appreciated by all of your readers!

SallyT : You will find them there Saturday afternoon, AdLib. There are some good ones this time. Lots on the inaug and Hillary! And, women in combat!

SallyT : I am? Wow, guys I am starting to tear up. I start every Sunday after you post this week on the next weeks. I have to stop on Saturday afternoon so you can get them posted but I start on the next weeks right after.

AdLib : Well Sally, looks like it’s closing time again! Thanks for closing the VP bar with me again! Looking forward to my Sunday Funnies! Take care!

AdLib : Sally – I’ll second Murph on that! You do an incredible job on Sunday Funnies and you’re building a loyal following!

SallyT : But, it is worth it when someone says something as you just did, Murph! Thank you so much.

AdLib : Night CL! Hope we can get Khirad to join that discussion with glenn, would be great! And yes, I look forward to Vox and the chats here every week! Always fun and fascinating!

SallyT : I don’t know what to say, Murph….you are making me blush. It is a lot of work and believe me there are a lot of bad ones I have to toss.

MurphTheSurf3 : Sally…you make me look very good….that I know someone that creative and that organized. It really is an amazing effort.

SallyT : You do, Murph! Wow, that means a lot to me that you think that much of it!

AdLib : Night Murph!

SallyT : Good night, CL, and anytime you would like to spend a day as me on my facebook page, you are more than welcome to it.

MurphTheSurf3 : Sally….that cartoon sounds right on the mark. Have I told you that I now e mail the link to your Sunday Funnies page to my entire political mailing list? That’s my entire Obama network. Well received.

choicelady : Good night Murph, good night Sally, good night AdLib. I, too, am packing it in. EXCELLENT discussion tonight. AdLib – get Khirad on again to talk with glenn. What a night that would be!!! We’d be the best educated people in America after the two of them finished with us! Thank you for doing this week after week – it’s the best part of the Friday and on into the weekend! ‘Night all!

MurphTheSurf3 : CL….agreed re. the maturity of roe v wade remains

SallyT : I have a cartoon for Sunday that show a gun nut with the NRA wanting to arm the fetus.

choicelady : AdLib. An Omlette? Scrambled preborn chickens, of course.

MurphTheSurf3 : Ad Lib…what a way to end a good evening of spirited conversation. To bed.

choicelady : Murph – your end point about fetal viability is spot on. I forgot that. They did state that if viability could be assured earlier, there would have to be a rollback. I learned all this over a long period of years answering the antiabortion zealots in debates etc. I was always impressed with the care the justices took on this. It has never yet failed to answer most of society’s questions. They did an amazing thing.

AdLib : CL and Murph, thanks for the comments on Roe. I don’t think a majority will ever be convinced that the fate of a fertilized egg should be a priority over a living, breathing woman. And when fighting against science, of course they sound nutty. Eggs are people too? Then what’s an omelet?

SallyT : Don’t forget when money is involved, CL, things take on a different color all together.

choicelady : Sally – The church, NO church,holds funerals for miscarriages in the first trimester. Catholics tell nurses to throw a little holy water on a miscarried fetus – no priest comes by to baptize it. When a nun did that for a young child, she was excommunicated. So they all have massively double standards. We know that embryos and fetuses are NOT the same as children. Only politically have they become MORE important than children!

SallyT : Oh, I meant to say, too bad he is gone…..me fingers are not working with my eyes or brain.

SallyT : Too bad is is gone, CL. Save that and give it to Glenn later.

MurphTheSurf3 : CL you did a better job with the question Glenn raised than I did.

SallyT : I read that, CL, about the Catholic church. Even the church will throw it out the window when money is involved.

choicelady : glenn – Roe is actually based in no small part on the science of human development. Unlimited access is confined to the first trimester when fetal development reveals no capacity to exist at all outside the womb and no pain receptors or brain function. Second – it has some restrictions toward the end, and the Third – it is FORBIDDEN unless the mother’s health or life are in peril or the fetus is so malfored it cannot live outside the mother without immeasurable suffering or imminent death. So it IS based on science. That’s why their screed is so disgusting – until there is brainstem/spinal cord fusion at the third trimester, there is no pain possible, and there is NO way for the fetus to live outside the womb. Judy Brown of American Life League said, “we are going to have to personalize the egg.” For a time she succeeded – until people started thinking about it. We never have and never will believe a fetus is the same as a person. BTW in a lawsuit against the malpractice death of 7-month twin fetuses in a CATHOLIC hospital, the Catholic church and its lawyer are saying that fetuses are NOT human beings. I am NOT making this up. It’s in Colorado going on right now.

MurphTheSurf3 : Glenn…Roe v. Wade makes it clear that there is not enough evidence re. the nature of the fetus….and therefore it decides the case for the first two trimesters based on the woman’s health and her rights to make decisions about it under the rubric of privacy. For the third trimester the admit that states have the right to guard the life of the fetus since viability now comes into play. The justices noted that future rulings on the matter would need to look to new developments in medicine/science to inform its decision making.

SallyT : Hope so!

AdLib : SO, looks like immigration reform is next on Obama’s dance card, man, is he just piling on the losses for the GOP in public opinion, I am enjoying this.

SallyT : Okay, I’ll say: Good night Glenn!

AdLib : Night glenn!

glenn : And this time, I am truly out of here! Good night all!

glenn : Murph–good night. Stay warm!

AdLib : Night Murph, stay warm!

choicelady : Murph – as a former Buffalonian, preventing pipe freeze was a way of life for me, too. Hope it worked – had one burst once. Not pretty. Stay warm, keep the water flowing. Good night – GREAT learning from you as always!

glenn : Murph–Yup. Science and the gop are not a good fit. They fear anything that would prove them wrong. I truly don’t know if abortion is “killing babies”, but I also know that it should be a woman’s and her partner’s choice. The SCOTUS ruling did not depend on whether or not it was “killing babies”; if I recall, the SCOTUS decision was based on privacy issues. So even if we get at the scientific truth, it still wouldn’t change the SCOTUS ruling regarding abortion. Wouldn’t someone have to bring it before SCOTUS on a different issue?

SallyT : Good night, Murph!

MurphTheSurf3 : Well time to pack it in….I am bone tired…..two days spent keeping pipes from freezing…this was a nice break….take care all.