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Seems that I was right in my comment yesterday, and no one should believe Pompeo, warmonger Bolton or dipshit liar, trump. It smelled of “yellowcake” and imaginary WMDs in the Bush admin leading to the illegal invasion of Iraq. They are so incompetent that it’s already fallen to pieces. Losers all of them. For all we know it could have been the Saudis shit-stirring for their conspiring pal trump.

Trump’s hamfisted attempt to wag the dog with Iran unraveled fast

https://www.rawstory.com/2019/06/trumps-hamfisted-attempt-to-wag-the-dog-with-iran-unraveled-fast/

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At least theoretically. But it makes no differenice to Pelosi, she’s still patronizing the idea of impeachment while refusing to budge in her total opposition to it.

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The fear of losing in 2020 is overriding the fear of losing by not starting the impeachment inquiry. A gross miscalculation. The 2018 midterms were a referendum on trump and to hold him responsible for his crimes then and since the fateful day he was sworn in. Do your constitutional duty Dems before he causes even more damage. Grow a pair.

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Send tissues.

Trump’s internal poll numbers are out. And both they and his team’s response paint a bleak picture.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/06/14/trumps-internal-poll-numbers-are-out-both-they-his-teams-response-paint-bleak-picture/

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This is so reassuring and funny at the same time. The only way Trump can poll positively is through Informed Polls that day, “Would you vote for Trump or Democrats who are chil molesting, nun-murdering puppy smotherers?”

One has to wonder though, with Trump knowing he is unlikely to win a legit election…what isn’t he scheming as a way to steal the election?

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More foreign interference it seems.

Iran is guilty because of some murky video. MB Salmonella is not guilty of Jamal Khashoggi’s murder even though Turkey and the CIA have proof.

Goodbye lying Sarah. It’s been excruciating to listen to you. Maybe your dad will give you a new job because no other decent person ever will. The WH continues to sink like the Titanic and very few life jacket are left. Sayonara Crooksville.

Japanese ship owner contradicts U.S. account of how tanker was attacked

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/japanese-ship-owner-contradicts-us-account-of-how-tanker-was-attacked/2019/06/14/7ea347d0-8eba-11e9-b6f4-033356502dce_story.html

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Okay, so now I think I get it. Trump and his cronies did their best to participate in collusion with Russia in 2016 but because he thought it made him look bad and like a traitor to America, he insisted “No Collusion!”.

But when asked point blank if he supports and is willing to participate in collusion with America’s enemies such as Russia in the 2020 election, he says absolutely.

So…Trump is now the pro-collusion candidate who supports the invasion of America’s elections by its enemies but thinks that after you collude, you lie about it because…it’s not wrong?

Yeah.

Trump says he’d consider accepting information from foreign governments on his opponents

President Trump on Wednesday said he would consider accepting information on his political opponents from a foreign government, despite the concerns raised by the intelligence community and special counsel Robert S. Mueller III over Russian interference in the 2016 presidential election.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-says-hed-consider-accepting-dirt-from-foreign-governments-on-his-opponents/2019/06/12/b84ba860-8d5c-11e9-8f69-a2795fca3343_story.html

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Not only that, but Trump’s recorded statement on June 12, 2019, that he would accept foreign interference in a USA election, confirms that he knowingly and willfully did so in 2016. But not only Trump, but the ENTIRE Republican Party! I am not sure what smoking gun Pelosi is waiting for to give the House the go-ahead to impeach Trump, but Trump’s admission to George Stephanopoulos is a SMOKING CANNON! Democrats have been handed a sure path to take the Senate and the White House, and keep the House in 2020 IF they run against an IMPEACHED Trump, ESPECIALLY if the Senate does not convict him and remove him from office. However, if the House does not impeach Trump, many voters MIGHT think Trump obviously have not committed impeachable offenses, because if he had, he would have been impeached. Then, the Republican controlled Senate will have to explain WHY they did not convict Trump. If the House does not impeach, McConnell and company won’t have to explain anything. Democrats will just appear to be too weak to govern. Americans prefer strong and wrong, over weak and right.

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It’s looking very clear to me that Pelosi’s political calculations will not change and will “trump” the constitutional duty of The House to impeach a criminal president who’s tearing apart our democracy.

Pelosi has made an immutable decision that it benefits her most and those Dem House members in Purple and Red districts as well, not to make them go on record on impeachment because she thinks it will hurt their re-election. And possibly take House Speakership away from her if Repubs reclaim enough seats that they lost to Dems in 2018.

Pelosi is deceiving Dems and America by constantly throwing out the word impeachment and needing an “iron clad” case against Trump first. This is a blatant sham, her lieutenants are on shows all the time doing their best to convince the pubic that the best thing is for “the American people to know the facts” and to remove Trump because of them in the 2020 election.

Is Pelosi a smart tactician? Yes. Is she always right? Absolutely not and the hubris we see from her and her Dem leadership, that America and Dems are not so bright and easily placated with insincere words of “Maybe later but nothing’s off the table”, is insulting and unprincipled, IMO.

What should come first is stopping the house-on-fire that they are sitting back and toasting marshmallows on. Trump just declared he will support our worst enemies to invade and corrupt our elections. That alone is impeachable, a violation of his oath of office to protect America and enforce its laws. Not to mention the many proven crimes in the Mueller Report.

Who says there will be a fair election in 2020? Who says that as Pelosi smiles at instead of impeaches Trump for each new destructive act by him, that our 2020 elections will be so corrupted by Trump that she and Dems will lose despite her over-confidence in her political strategy?

Pelosi is thinking that she likes the way the pieces on the chess board are laid out for the 2020 election but blind to her cooperation in allowing Trump to just kick the board over and laim he won.

I don’t know that there’s anything Americans can do to make Pelosi follow her oath of office and her duty under the Constitution instead of BSing the public about impeachment being a possibility down the road, just over the horizon, maybe, maybe, maybe if I feel like it in the future…while she pats herself on the back for being so “smart” for putting her political calculations first and “knowing” that as Trump torches our democracy, it is good for her and Dems politically so burn, baby, burn.

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I could not agree more. House Democrats who refuse to impeach ANY president who has done what Trump has done appear to be no different than Trump supporters who go along with whatever he says and does. Pelosi is flat out wrong, but the majority of Democrats are sticking with her because of her perceived power.

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Collusion: Hillary and the D’s did it in 2016 (fake Russian ‘dossier’). The difference here is that Trump didn’t say he would seek info. out or pay for it (again, see Hillary & the D’s in 2016); however, he did say that depending on the content, he might refer said info to the FBI.
Also, in case you missed it, the Mueller Report clearly cleared Trump and his campaign of any collusion.

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Fusion GPS was started by a group of former Wall Street Journal reporters, notably investigative reporter Glenn R. Simpson. He co-wrote an article about how lobbyists and other Washington insiders were earning big fees representing former Soviet officials-turned-businessmen. The firm says it “provides premium research, strategic intelligence, and due diligence services to corporations, law firms, and investors worldwide.” In other words, the ex-reporters have leveraged their reporting skills into a profit-making enterprise.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2017/08/09/trump-russia-and-the-opposition-research-firm-run-by-ex-journalists/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.881038efd2aa

The DNC and the Clinton campaign used the same company the Republican Free Beacon used to do opposition research on Trump. Is it odd the Republicans never mention The Free Beacon when they talk about Fusion GPS? No, it is not odd because if they mentioned The Free Beacon, it would look like Democrats and the FBI used the same source Republicans STARTED. We can only conclude that Jim Jordan, Mark Meadows and company don’t know about The Free Beacon using Fusion GPS, because they surely would not attempt to mislead the public, would they?

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A few more pesky facts.

There’s no equivalence’: Ex-FBI deputy director debunks GOP claim the Steele dossier is also Russia collusion

https://www.rawstory.com/2019/06/theres-no-equivalence-ex-fbi-deputy-director-debunks-gop-claim-the-steele-dossier-is-also-russia-collusion/

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Your comment doesn’t reflect an interest in facts but the issue here is collusion with foreign governments and even your conspiracy theory about Hillary doesn’t allege that she was in contact with Putin or his government.

Meanwhile Trump was in contact with the Russian government over his Trump Tower Moscow project…while he was running for president.

Trump Moscow: The Definitive Story Of How Trump’s Team Worked The Russian Deal During The Campaign

All through the hot summer campaign of 2016, as Donald Trump and his aides dismissed talk of unseemly ties to Moscow, two of his key business partners were working furiously on a secret track: negotiations to build what would have been the tallest building in Europe and an icon of the Trump empire — the Trump World Tower Moscow.

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/anthonycormier/trump-moscow-micheal-cohen-felix-sater-campaign

And your defense of Trump is just plain desperate…as well as completely false. Unlike Trump supporters, the majority of Americans believe what they hear with their own ears and see with their own eyes. They don’t have to make up phony excuses for politicians they support because none are needed.

And people who are speaking truths provide links and articles from legit sources because they can confirm what they are saying is true:

‘I think I’d take it’: In exclusive interview, Trump says he would listen if foreigners offered dirt on opponents

Asked by ABC News Chief Anchor George Stephanopoulos in the Oval Office on Wednesday whether his campaign would accept such information from foreigners — such as China or Russia — or hand it over the FBI, Trump said, “I think maybe you do both.”

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/id-exclusive-interview-trump-listen-foreigners-offered-dirt/story?id=63669304

Truth still matters to most Americans, peddling conspiracy theories and desperate propaganda is so 2016.

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And it are the Republicans, and especially the Libertarians, always complaining about liberals using the government as a jobs program. Isn’t that something. And if you add up the number of people who live in gerrymandered Republicans who get disability checks I’d bet you’d also find their numbers to be higher per capita than in liberal leaning states.

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Trump haters sink lower and lower.

ttps://www.nwfdailynews.com/news/20190609/guest-column-trump-haters-continue-to-sink-lower-and-lower?fbclid=IwAR11UObj4-SAVTz4AWFBl0nUSzWpQr6jaDirUaHB6WKKFGztbir5XqFmxDI#/questions

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The link is not working but that’s ok because any title containing “trump haters” is already very biased. The problem people on the right have in distinguishing the genuine criticism people have of an incompetent person in the WH who disrespects the law and the Constitution as opposed to “hate” is deliberate. Yes, many don’t like him because he is a chaos agent who cannot do his job, and doesn’t even want to do it.

Trump haters sink lower? Really? They would have to keep sinking for years before they reach the level of trump, the Republican Party and Fox News.

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She’s back!!! So good to see you Kalima!!!

It’s actually very simple and has become so boring now. Trump supporters are mainly older white men who look at him no differently than cult members look at a cult leader. He is their ultimate symbol of white male anger at the current era of equality and diversity, where the superiority they were born into, over women and minorities, is deteriorating.

Kind of amusing that these hateful people who want the poor to be stripped of food, medical insurance and welfare are the biggest welfare queens out there, thinking they should have all the advantages not because they earned them but because of their gender and skin color.

So of course, those who don’t worship their orange voodoo doll of bigotry are constantly attacked by them with lies and propaganda because the truth and is not on their side and they know it.

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Thanks, AdLib. Had to make sure that I can still make some sense of my thoughts and well, I sort of did.

This totally false meme that people who criticise trump are “trump haters” smacks of impotence and lame excuses to portray him as being normal. On what frigging Planet?

Anyway, good to be back at least 40%. Will be working on the other 60% once I’ve taken a nap. Just got home. The cats, sniffed me, yawned and went to sleep. Nice to feel missed. And at least no one peed on me.

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Your thoughts always make sense, even under heavy sedation.

It’s a matter of projection, I think. Those who oppose Trump do so for rational reasons, because of what he says and what he does. He commits crimes, he’s been documented telling over 10,000 lies to the public and he uses the Constitution for toilet paper.

But his cult members are so blindly motivated by hate and so worshipping of their false god, they accuse those not drinking the Kool-Aid of having their traits because that’s all they understand, that people would only be motivated by hate to support or oppose a politician.

Sorry Trump cultists, the majority of Amercians don’t think the way you do, we aren’t slaves to our reptilian brains, we make our decisions using reason.

Just like Trump accused Hillary and every institution of being crooked and criminal and lying, these lower level operating types know that they’re guilty of acting wrongly so they project that onto those they see as their adversaries to make them “wrong”.

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Idea for new 2020 campaign import tax/duty that will not cost politicians anything.

As we all know, Spankie LOVES tariffs–especially import tariffs. Therefore, he will absolutely hate this new tax/duty on items imported for US political campaigns at any and all levels. The duty/tariff shall start with any and all materials imported for the 2020 and later campaigns by any candidate.

The idea is simple: We, the People, want ALL items associated with a US political campaign to be “Made in USA”. Therefore, any and all items imported for a political campaign shall pay a 100% duty or tariff.

I have submitted the idea to AOC and Ilhan Omar, as all revenue laws must originate in the House.

Remember: According to Spankie, import duties/tariffs are paid by the countries from which the goods are imported. Thus, such duties/tariffs will not cost US politicians anything. Which means Spankie will sign it as soon as it hits his desk.

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TOCB
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Trump says he would accept dirt on his opponents from a foreign government.

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He can make statements like this because he will not be held accountable. He also understand that he will not be charged with anything based upon the DOJ directive.

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TOCB
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I wonder if one of the reasons Mueller doesn’t want to testify in public before Congress is that he is ashamed of his conclusion that the reason Trump and his minions did not commit criminal conspiracy is because they were too dumb to know they were breaking the law. The Trump campaign had over 100 contacts with Russians during the 2016 election. That is over 100 more contacts than any previous presidential candidate has had. Further, Trump is a control freak, as Michael Cohen said when he testified before Congress. Trump would not have allowed his minions to have all of these contacts with Russians UNLESS they did it at Trump’s direction. Neither the New York Times or the Washington Post have reported that Trump knew of or directed Russian contacts with his minions. However, we know he dictated the response Jr initially gave regarding the June 2016 Trump Tower meeting and said it was to discuss adoption. If Trump and his minions did not know they were breaking the law, why did they attempt to hide and lie about ALL of their contacts with Russians and other foreign nationals? And why did Kushner attempt to establish a back channel with Russia that was controlled in St. Petersburg? Of coursssssssssssssssssssssssse Trump and his minions committed criminal conspiracy. I would LOVE to hear Mueller explain to the American people HOW he reached his conclusion that they didn’t know they were breaking the law.

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I was always told ignorance of the law is not a defense. It appears that does not hold true for politicians.

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TOCB
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After making a recorded statement like this, if Pelosi doesn’t give Democrats the go-ahead for impeachment, they will never impeach Trump, and I fear that will harm Democrats in the 2020 election because it will reduce the enthusiasm of the base. Democrats who don’t support impeachment should be defeated in the primaries.

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They fear impeachment because of the Senate. They’re also not conducting public hearings similar to the Benghazi Hearings or Clinton marathon.

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From today, Jon Stewart appeared in front of the House Judiciary Committee to urge them to finally fund in full the health care for 9/11 Responders. But he laid into Congress because over half the seats being empty, reflecting their disrespect and hollow lip service to honoring these brave and suffering men and women. Powerful to watch:

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This is a sad commentary on Congress, that permanent funding for 9/11 first responders have not been approved before now. As in most cases of this nature though, it is because republicans would not allow it. From protecting Americans from gun violence to assisting Americans, regardless of what their zip code is, in disaster relief, republicans are ALWAYS the ones who are holding back.

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How about the irony of an uber-liberal giving his all to advocate for folks who are probably largely conservatives.

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TOCB
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I was anxiously waiting to view the cable news coverage of the House Judiciary Committee hearing on the Mueller Report, when that coverage was pre-empted by a helicopter crash into a building on Fifth Avenue in NYC. OH! My bad! I mean Seventh Avenue in NYC. I hope for the least casualties as possible in that crash, although I understand that the pilot was killed. As my cynical mind would have it though, I wonder if someone who is “loyal” to Trump staged that accident in order to distract from the coverage of the House hearing on the Mueller Report. So I switched over to CSPAN to watch the hearing, but CSPAN moved to cover the regular House proceedings rather than the Mueller hearing. So I moved over to CSPAN-3 to watch the hearing. I recommend that those who are interested in hearing Democrats in the House ask relevant questions about the Mueller Report and have the witnesses respond to them, while Republicans attempt to impugn the character of John Dean and protect the character of Donald Trump, would greatly benefit from watching the hearing on CSPAN-3. I think exposing the line of questioning from each political party will serve the public well, as it demonstrates the complicity of the republican party in the crimes the Trump administration has committed. I suspect if voters saw the performance of congressional republicans in these hearings, most of them would be convinced that republicans have absolutely ZERO interest in preserving the rule of law and defending and protecting the Constitution.

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I don’t have cable so I only get streaming clips here and there of these events. I forced myself to watch Gaetz’s (sp?) rant, which was nothing more than a big puke of conspiracy theories. I love the irony of these wingnuts defending the privacy rights of that goonie-bird, Carter Page with their attacks on the FISA process. They love Carter Page so much, they can have him.

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Yes TOCB, I found the timing of the crash to be perfect for Trump though, as frustrating as it was to see coverage of the hearing buried by non-stop coverage of the helicopter crash (which as always is the media exploiting a disaster when they have little news to share about it, just running the same graphics in a loop and pundits going on and on with hypothetical guesses about all aspects of the disaster).

However, while John Dean’s testimony today was of value, it wasn’t the kind of damning testimony a witness like Don McGahn could provide so I think this was just a terrible tragedy that happened at a convenient time for Trump.

If he’s counting on that to continue to save him, he’s out of luck.

And of course, the Repubs in The House have no interest in learning anything or holding a criminal president responsible, they’ve already joined his “mob”, they’re only in the House to protect their Don.

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They need to get Mueller testifying and members of the Mueller team. And yes, McGahn, Hicks, Bannon, the whole cabal out in public repeating what they told Mueller.

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TOCB
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I see where Trump, the crook-in-chief, has singlehandedly solved the immigration problem at the southern border. Apparently all that was needed was to threaten to destroy the economies of Mexico and the USA. Who knew? The stable genius has done it again. And the “wall” is no longer necessary.

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Sales tactic for sleazy salesmen: convince the customer there’s a huge problem and magically provide the solution.

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It’s now a familiar formula, Trump threatens Kim Jong-un, Mexico, Iran, etc., hopes they will just give up and do what he says then when they don’t, he lies about how brilliant a negotiator he was and makes up a totally phony accomplishment that never happened.

Mexico Agreed to Take Border Actions Months Before Trump Announced Tariff Deal

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/08/us/politics/trump-mexico-deal-tariffs.html

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TOCB
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And he has a “secret deal” with Mexico that he will wait and let them come out with, although he has already come out with it, and they deny that it even exist. I wonder who will play the part of Trump when the comedy about his “presidency” is made into a movie?

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Or as one wag described 45rump’s diplomatic expertise:

45rump: Do as I say, or there’ll be tariffs.
Mexico: _______________
45rump: I’m warning you!
Mexico: _______________
45rump: This is your last warning.
Mexico: ________________
45rump: ??
Mexico: ________________
45rump: OK. Just keep doing what you were doing.
Mexico: ________________
45rump: I win! I win! I’m the best. The best!
Everyone says so.

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It is amazing how Trump says, “everyone says so”, when he is the only one who says so, and he says “most people don’t know this”, when he is the only one who doesn’t know it, or it is not even true. I wonder if real geniuses like Neil DeGrasse Tyson can sue Trump for misrepresenting the genius community? Or a real human can sue him for misrepresenting the human race?

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escribacat
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Trump talks like a disturbed 7 year old brat. Give him some ritalin.

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TOCB
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Yes, Trump solves, or at least says he has solved, another problem he created.

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Any excuse for music is a good excuse. Today’s excuse is the finality of what was and is no more (Yabberz 1), and the unknown we all await.

As an old soul song says about love (in other words); in for a penny, in for a pound. Destiny has chosen this course and this course it shall be. Boom or bust! I yield to PlanetPOV!

It’s too late to turn back, now!

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I would like to thank Murph for inviting me to this new location. I am looking forward to reading and sharing my opinions on the various topics that will be written here. This new format presents a learning curve.

I am hoping that a wide range of information and topics will be shared here. Yabberz offered a wide range of discussion topics that allowed for interactive conversations. I have been looking through the site over the last few days and trying to find topic discussions, which is a little confusing.

Over the coming days and weeks, I will try to familiarize myself with the site. I’m sure this will be a very fun, informative, and educating experience during my time here. AdLib, thanks for creating an alternative discussion site for all to share.

Rashaad

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