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  • Chernynkaya : We love Patsy! Well, I guess this concludes a great evening of Vox Poluli. Thank you all for helping me out and have a safe and great holiday. PS–Khirad, I’ll join you in that drink now! Really.

  • PatsyT : Yum schnapps …

  • Khirad : I think now’s the time that AL usually starts kicking us out. I’m raiding the liquor cabinet one last time though.

  • Chernynkaya : Night KQ–thanks for stopping by!

  • PatsyT : I Have to say goodnight .. Love you all !!!

  • Khirad : Night KQ.

  • Chernynkaya : He never gets riled or takes offense and that makes me feel that we can really debate unemotionally.

  • KQuark : I’m gonna get some sleep too. Take care all.

  • KQuark : Exactly Khirad I like people who play devil’s advocate because it makes me think as long as they don’t get personal. I know on issues like energy I’m a devil’s advocate of a sort.

  • PatsyT : AD is pretty cool I like that he is curious

  • Chernynkaya : Take care Chris–and thanks for the help!

  • PatsyT : Nighty night Chris… All the Best

  • Khirad : Night Chris.

  • ChrisR266 : Good night, everyone. Have the best weekend, please.

  • Chernynkaya : PAtsy we will!

  • Khirad : I think sometimes AD just plays Devil’s Advocate to be difficult, and that it’s done in fun.

  • Chernynkaya : I got a scholarship to art school too from my HS and my art teacher was my idol. We stayed in touch about 20 years until she moved.

  • ChrisR266 : And, Cher, that’s ok by me. Once you learn how to learn, you’ve got the greatest tool of all.

  • PatsyT : Cher … we got to get together!!

  • ChrisR266 : Patsy: Even today, I heard from a student that it was one teacher who took interest, who showed them caring and provided encouragement, that motivated that student to try harder and aspire to more.

  • Khirad : My English teacher was a mentor to me. And my German teacher was quirky too. All my other teachers thought I was a loser but they saw past appearances. Seems to me a lot of High School teachers teach High School just cause they loved it so much the first time. I hated all those teachers.

  • Chernynkaya : Patsy–that sound exactly like me! Exactly!

  • PatsyT : Hey Bito, I hope it is not from listening to my parent have at it… but yes I love to get to the truth

  • Chernynkaya : Chris that’s a wonderful story. But I think I’m done even though I learn informally now all the time.

  • KQuark : I like he’s not rigid and intellectually honest in a debate.

  • bito : Patsy, I can see your love of debate. It requires research of facts to base your opinions on.

  • PatsyT : Khirad, the thing that got me through High School was that my Art teacher believed in me and gave me my own studio to work up my portfolio for admission into art school. Iit was a great feeling to know someone liked me.

  • ChrisR266 : Cher: The year I finished my dissertation and received my degree, my compatriot from the department at the ceremony was an 87 year old woman who decided 6 years before that to do what she had always wanted–go all the way. The department paid her a stipend to teach and waived her tuition, and she went all the way. Me at 27, her at 87. It was grand.

  • Chernynkaya : KQ he is! He knows so little but learns so fast. I’d say that to his face too!

  • Chernynkaya : Oh Chris, I finished in 2001. I’m retired now and too old and financially unable to go back to school. But thank god for the internet.

  • Khirad : Patsy those are the only places I got A’s. And it was Honors English. The only advanced placement class I was ever allowed in. :-P

  • ChrisR266 : Cher: Yeah, AD was schooled a bit, y’all did good.

  • PatsyT : I worked to potential on Art, Music, English and Debate … sorry not math … but now I am able to help my girls see the importance of Math and Science

  • KQuark : :lol: Cher AD is great to debate with.

  • Chernynkaya : Khirad–If I never see that sentence again it’ll be too soon!

  • ChrisR266 : Invient: Rhetoric and Public Address.

  • Chernynkaya : Well, we’re mostly chatting now. No fireworks tonight although I think we educated ADonai on the FAirness Doctrine.

  • ChrisR266 : Ha, Khirad: I always thought that was such a compliment! They knew how GD smart you really were!

  • KQuark : Not yet Cher but I play my wife’s team in the first game which is always fun.

  • ChrisR266 : Cher: There’s going to be a hell of a shortage of profs in about 5 years. They’ll be begging you to do that graduate work and paying you to do it, too. Hang on.

  • invient : Chris, what is your field? Just asking out of curiosity.

  • KQuark : Fine but a bit tired.

  • Chernynkaya : KQ! Did you win your fantasy football thing?

  • Khirad : That was on like every report card I ever had.

  • Chernynkaya : Patsy–I can relate!!

  • Khirad : “Does not work to potential”

  • PatsyT : Hey KQ How are you tonight?

  • ChrisR266 : Patsy: Debate and Individual Events speaking is how I put my self through undergraduate school–best thing I every did for myself.

  • KQuark : Hi folks.

  • Chernynkaya : Chris wehn I get my degree in 2001 the profs told me I’d enjoy teaching college level. I wish I could have stayed and gotten a PhD. although the way CA universities are now, it’s best I didn’t. So may layoffs.

  • Khirad : They did something on boys in school being let down a while back. I really enjoyed it. Wish I could remember it. Not only not pushed, but the learning styles are different than for girls, which thrive with verbal/auditory lessons.

  • ChrisR266 : Cher: yes, it can be. I know there are programs in CC’s around the state of Ohio. There are four year programs, but they are not easy to get into (Ohio State’s, being one).

  • PatsyT : Cher, I was one of those that frustrated my teachers, smart, off the charts with the I.Q. tests but my family had lots of problems, so concentrating on academics was not my stronghold. I did very well in art and music and debate.

  • ChrisR266 : Cher: Oh, girl, indeed. That’s why I never left, LOL.

  • Chernynkaya : Hospitality is 2 year?

  • Chernynkaya : Khirad–Indeed! ;-) But as Chris pointed out, it might be too rigorous for her. I didn’t know what I wanted when I was in school either but I knew I likes school. I could go to school forever.

  • ChrisR266 : K: Yes, Hospitality would work. And most associate’s degree programs are pretty damned good.