• AdLib : Looks like folks are out partying tonight like it’s the end of the world or something so we’ll call it a night for Vox Populi tonight. Thanks all!

  • AdLib : Yep, crazy is crazy. Night Kes, don’t let the Horsemen of the Apocolypse bite!

  • kesmarn : Oops! Sorry — we were typing at the same time, AdLib. Yes. The numbers don’t add up at all, no matter how Camping mashes them. He’s just a silly old fart. And on that happy note, good night, again!

  • AdLib : Night Kes. If you’re taken up, bring your iPhone so you can still blog!

  • kesmarn : And now…the clock strike midnight! Judgment Day is at hand! Which means it’s time for me to go to sleep! Good night, all!

  • AdLib : Kes, the arguments against such arbitrary dogma are pretty easy. What about babies, indeed. And back then, taking up a couple of hundred thousand people was a lot. What about the millions of faithful Christians, how come 99% of them won’t make it?

  • kesmarn : I think the whole rapture myth may even be more recent than Cotton Mather. (Although he was big on the “angry God” image.) I think it started in the later 19th century in America. Total baloney.

  • AdLib : Night AD!

  • AdLib : People crave answers for what is unanswerable. So even such a bizarre and frankly cruel tale such as Revelations is preferable to some than the unknown.

  • kesmarn : Peace, AD! Sleep well.

  • kesmarn : Yes, AdLib, obviously 2 year olds are totally innocent (however wild and goofy they may be). What a dark view of human nature this guy has.

  • ADONAI : Well kids, I could talk theology all night but I must have sleep. Good night folks. Peace be with you.

  • AdLib : Kes – That is truly evil. The things that are done in the name of “goodness” is amazing.

  • ADONAI : AdLib – indeed. Plus, the Rapture was invented by Cotton Mather in the 18th century

  • AdLib : AD – As you know, Revelations was added after the rest of the Bible was written and has a more political purpose for having been created.

  • kesmarn : They love the idea that the locus of control is supposed to be outside of themselves, AdLib. Easier that way.

  • AdLib : Funny how RW extremists can be afraid of a preposterous reason for the end of the world but rail against scientific explanations for how climate change can be the end of the line for human society.

  • kesmarn : Yes, I usually just laugh him off. But the other day he was telling some caller on his show that the guy’s 2 year old son “might not be saved,” and that “we are all born with wicked hearts,” and stuff like that. That is really awful! He should knock that off.

  • ADONAI : AdLib – Indeed. All I’m saying is, if it were a literal interpretation, it’s STILL not happening. Every preacher who has ever predicted the end of time has always skipped over the part about Jesus telling them it as impossible to know. far right Christians KNOW that before Jesus can come back, at the very least, Israel must be made whole again(whatever that means), and the Temple must be rebuilt for the third time. Extra cannons not included in the Bible suggest that the world must reach a certain population, around 700 million, before Jesus returns. Or that teh Earth will literally disappear form this universe. So something TERRIBLE will have to happen.

  • AdLib : Kes – That’s a good point. When Christianity is portrayed so cartoonishly and ridiculously, it is insulting the majority of Christians. Not that this loon cares about Christians…

  • kesmarn : He’s a couple horseman short of an apocalypse.

  • kesmarn : It is a little sad that he’s done quite a bit of damage to Christians who are not into this or RW fundie nuttiness. People assume that Christian=Lunati c 100% of the time.

  • AdLib : I think Camping is a few logs short of a campfire.

  • AdLib : AD – Good point. That seems so apparent. The imagery of Jesus as a virtual Roman warrior coming out of the sky is absurd when one considers what Jesus is supposed to be all about. What is it, love thy brother or lop his head off?

  • kesmarn : The kids and I were talking about that, AdLib, and we were saying Camping’s personal rapture will probably happen before October 21. Problem solved.

  • ADONAI : HA!

  • AdLib : As Jon Stewart said, considering how old he is, even if the end doesn’t come tomorrow, for him, he’ll probably still end up being pretty close.

  • ADONAI : No my mind is made up. The writings in the Bible were always meant as symbolism and metaphor. When Jon of Patmos wrote Revelation it was a time of great upheaval in Israel with Roman occupation. The story is full of imagery meant to evoke the imperialism of Rome.

  • kesmarn : Well, as you know, he’s messed up before, AdLib. And then he just says that he needs to “recalculate the numbers,” and he tries for another random date.

  • AdLib : Kes – I think it’s a combination of delusions of grandeur, that he alone can know this and cynicism that he can always bullshit his followers the next day…after they’ve given him $40 million out of fear.

  • kesmarn : Some guy was interviewed on Spitzer’s show tonight who has interviewed people at Family Radio, though, and he said someone there took him aside and said: “Between you and me, about 85% of the people here do NOT believe this will happen.”

  • AdLib : AD – Sounds like you haven’t made up your mind about Revelations…

  • ADONAI : Really!!

  • bito : Really AD??

  • kesmarn : G’night, chase!

  • ADONAI : nite chase!

  • AdLib : Night Chase. Have a great weekend, rapture or not.

  • ADONAI : So he’s either milking people, or very confused.

  • ADONAI : It’s not the end of the world. Even if we said, for the sake of argument, that the Bible was correct, it’s DEFINITELY not ending tomorrow. As I said before, conditions have to be met AND the Jesus clearly states that NO ONE will EVER know the time of His coming. Not. Happening.

  • kesmarn : I think he may be geniunely daft, AdLib. He has that weird preoccupation with numerology that the truly weird have sometimes.

  • AdLib : Bito – Yes, I saw Colbert last night and could hardly believe that this was really what was written. Very funny but how surprising is it that everything Newt does just shows how out of touch he is with the real world?

  • chasethis : Ad Lib–I love that when every time vox populi an angel gets his wings! I must go to bed. (Or to the patio.) Love you planet people.

  • bito : Replay k’es

  • bito : When it hits the NewsHour…it’s viral!

  • kesmarn : The NewHour is on late out there, b’ito. Ours is at 6:30 here.

  • AdLib : Does anyone here think he really believes tomorrow is the end of the world or that this was just a way to flex power and generate millions from the foolish and ignorant (which it has)?

  • kesmarn : Poor Brother Camping. He is one deluded old dude. And yes, b’ito, that Lithgow thing has really gone viral, hasn’t it!

  • bito : PBS NewsHour just had the John Lithgow-part of it-on :-)

  • chasethis : I think Brother Camping got his begatting confused with his gazintas. He’s off by miles and miles. Should I be wrong in my assessment, I’ll see you in the afterlife–which I think will start in the next cul-de-sac over.

  • ADONAI : Oh yeah. Fuck!

  • kesmarn : Make that tax increases for the WEALTHY, AdLib. They’re cool with ’em for the poor.

  • AdLib : Adonai – South Park has already done it.

  • AdLib : Kes – Yes, the nutjob said Jesus returns tomorrow AND there will be earthquakes all over the world. And Republicans will vote for tax increases.

  • ADONAI : He is in the sky because you will see Jesus descending from there on a white horse leading the armies if Heaven.

  • kesmarn : I think October 21 is the really END end, according to Brother Camping.

  • ADONAI : I’ve always felt a movie about the literal interpretation of the Book of Revelation would be awesome. The imagery is all there. The 4 horsemen. The sky ripping open. Huge dragons and crazy beasts appearing everywhere. It’d make millions.

  • AdLib : First of all, why is Jesus appearing in the sky? Second, that’s going to take a serious wide angle lens.

  • kesmarn : AdLib, I’m not entirely sure Jesus is due at this particular point. But keep that camera handy because there should be bodies emerging from graves tomorrow, I’m told.

  • PatsyT : You want to see time fly .. have kids!

  • ADONAI : Poor little canary

  • PatsyT : Most of the summer

  • ADONAI : Well, Jesus should appear in the sky everywhere at once. THE photo op of a lifetime.

  • AdLib : Patsy, can’t believe it’s been a whole school year! How cool!

  • kesmarn : Good news, Patsy! Will she be home for the whole summer?

  • AdLib : True, only if Americans get raptured is it real. BTW, did the nutjob radio guy mention where Jesus would appear? I want to have my Flip camera on me.

  • ADONAI : AdLib – No,I don’t believe the book of Revelation. It was never meant to be taken literally anyways. But Newt could probably come close to giving me what I want. A nuclear war would be pretty damn close.

  • PatsyT : Hey folks if I disappear it won’t be because of the rapture… I am way too naughty for that.. My oldest is coming home from her first year of collage her daddy is picking her up at the airport They are due here soon!!

  • kesmarn : Nevertheless, there’s the canary in the coal mine, ADONAI, no?

  • ADONAI : I had to point out to wts that only America matters.

  • AdLib : AD – I meant the Biblical version. BTW, if you want to go out in a big way, watch Newt.