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javaz
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That’s right, Kalima, not all Americans are stupid because look who we elected.

My point was that out of the population of our country, very few vote.

That’s what I want to change.

And I want to somehow get younger people to vote.

The average age of Americans who vote, and it’s low considering the population, but the average age is 27 years old.

Back during Vietnam, and the draft, young people voted, and voting age is 18.

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choicelady
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javaz-

When Arnold became governator of CA, everyone whooped and hollered that it was the largest “landslide” ever. Well – not so much. The NY Times reviewed our Secretary of State’s figures and found that it was a fairly significant percent of those who VOTED and even pretty OK for those who were REGISTERED, but his vote numbers represented only 18 percent of all the ELIGIBLE voters in CA. That is a crisis.

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Kalima
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Ok, then line them up to register them as soon as possible. There must still be enough Dems who haven’t lost faith in the President who would volunteer to get more people registered. Why anyone would give up their right to vote is beyond me, it sounds disconnected and lazy to me. I live in one country where I can’t vote and couldn’t vote in the last GE in the U.K. because I hadn’t renewed my registration over there. I would give just about anything for the right to vote, to be a voice in something important. I just can’t understand the reluctance to register, nor can I understand people who are eligible to vote, not voting.

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Khirad
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I can’t understand, either, Kalima…

And then I visit my cousins…

There’s a whole world out there who are only concerned with their own lives, and don’t see the connections or worth of politics – if it ‘registers’ at all with them.

I almost envy it in a weird way. I don’t want to demean them, by calling them simple, they are blood – but they give me a glimpse into a big chunk of Americana.

Sometimes, I think the fault with compulsory voting is that there are a whole lot of people not qualified to vote. It sounds elitist, but, perhaps it works out in the end.

What really gets me is those registered who don’t vote – by mail even.

I mean, why did you even bother to register?

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Kalima
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Yet they would be the first to shout from the rooftops how much they love their country and how proud they are to be Americans. Sort of defeats the whole object I think. If they really cared, they would vote, take a part in the political process of the country. It’s downright lazy to not vote and still make a noise to complain about it. No vote, no voice is how I see it for the eligible voters who can’t make the effort to claim their rights as citizens. It just thoroughly annoys me.

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javaz
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You want to read crazy?

Check out Alex Jones Info Wars – there’s war on your mind – site.

There is a conspiracy, false flag operation in every article, and Alex Jones has a radio show and Rand Paul is a frequent guest.

You think FOX and Glenn Beck are nuts?

Check out Alex Jones Infowars,

I don’t check it out that often, but I do check, because it’s good to know what the crazies among us are thinking, and they do not hold back.

Jesse Ventura is a frequent guest.

They find a conspiracy in every single thing.

I like to know what the crazy-looney-tunes are talking about, so I visit that site a couple times per week.

Crazier yet, is when even I agree with some of their things.

They hate Glenn Beck and they hate FOX and Rupert Murdoch, but every time I leave that site, I need to take a shower and never feel clean.

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Khirad
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Here’s another one:

http://www.globalresearch.ca

Whenever I get into it with someone with some crackpot theory I only have to check this site or Jones’ to see where they’re getting it from.

They hate everything. They’re smug a-holes and it’s only they who know “The Truth” – we’re all sheople who try to discredit them with “woo-woo”.

You know, the Flat Earthers say the same thing:

“Aim: To carefully observe, think freely, rediscover forgotten fact and oppose theoretical dogmatic assumptions. To help establish the United States…of the world on this flat earth. Replace the science religion…with SANITY.”

For real. The Flat Earth Society still exists.

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Kalima
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Not my business javaz, but why go there at all?

When you realize that these nutjobs are just there to stir up their base, annoy the Left and people like Beck have Vick’s rubbed under their eyes to produce that ugly crying mug with false tears, you will also realize that giving them that much importance is exactly what they want from the other side, a distraction from their own useless policies. One of these day they will just go too far, some of their fans will desert them, why worry about them, they have been busy digging their own graves for years now.

I think that because of all the awful things happening in your state right now, you are more caught up in this nonsense than many. Sometimes just turn off the news, don’t go looking for the negativity, it can’t be good for your health, and take a break from the constant barrage of bs coming your way for a few days. I’m sure that you will feel a bit better for doing it.

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javaz
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AdLib, the picture of Obama is not what you want, because the racist assholes and right wing conspirators will think his hand raised in that way is a salute to Hitler.

I’m a follower of conspiracy theories, and do believe in some, but seriously, you want another pic of Obama because if anyone follows this site, they’ll use it to promote their conspiracy.

I know, the Nazis are far right, but somehow thanks to Glenn Beck et all, somehow the National Socialist Party means Liberal left now.

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Kalima
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javaz
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Yes, Kalima, I do because I am learning how they operate.

They will jump at any little thing to revise history and make Obama a Nazi.

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Kalima
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But who believes it?

Anyone with an IQ in the higher double digits, knows that this is a crock of shite. They don’t even know the history of the takeover of Germany by the Nazi movement. They talk out of the hole they sit on.

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javaz
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Glenn Beck, Rush Limbaugh and Alex Jones.

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Kalima
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Again javaz, who the f

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Kalima
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Not all Americans who vote are stupid javaz, look who your President is now.

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javaz
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I do get what you are saying, Kalima, but I think that maybe you are thinking Americans that actually vote – and that’s it, isn’t it? Not enough Americans vote – but those that do are STUPID!

Rand Paul?
Really?

Sarah Palin – really?

That’s what I want to see GROW do – is promote VOTING.

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javaz
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Kalima, I’ll reply up here since it’s easier.

I don’t know if people still refer to Brazil nuts that way.

Having grown up in Detroit, I could tell you stories and educate you even more to racist terms that were just a part of the vernacular.

I appreciated Pepe’s article about the racism he experienced and say that I’d never heard the term he was called.

I grew up hearing so many racist terms that were part of the lingo and sadly, I have to admit that my father used those terms, but not all that much and as the years went on and he got older, he stopped.

It was so accepted and just the way people talked back then, but I never was comfortable using those words, and also admit that I did though, because the words were so common.

But I never said them much, because I knew innately that it was wrong.

You’d have to understand the times back then and how it just seemed natural for people to hate blacks and think less of them and maybe that’s another reason that I am so against the SB1070 law because it’s the same thing, but this time it refers to Mexicans.

My husband and I do not like it at all when people say the racial terms when referring to Mexicans and how people think that Mexicans are less than human.

It’s all so complicated and I thought that our country had overcome it all, or most of it, as there will always be a segment of our society that is racist.

We were warned by activists about Obama being elected, and that it didn’t mean that we were over it, and they are so right, because we are not and racism is alive and thriving in our country and it shocks me.

I don’t know how or what to do to change it.

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Kalima
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I walk away from racists and racial slurs. I know they exist, but don’t have to let them soil me.

The only way to change it, would be through education and when you see these dumb f

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SueInCa
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I, too thought we had overcome it………….

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javaz
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It’s gotten worse since Obama.

It truly does shock me.

They’ve all come out of the closet, and the hatred against gays is revving up more with the DADT repeal, and yes, I know it’s not really a repeal.

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SueInCa
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And now it is out of the bag about hispanics. Before long, these people will not have any friends

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javaz
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We’re scared to put a bumper-sticker on our car and my husband is not as paranoid as I am.

But we know when to keep our mouths shut.

When you live in an area where the majority are gun-toting, gun-loving FOX watchers, and they love O’Reilly and Hannity, and they believe every word.

They really believe that Obama is going to take their guns and that Democrats/Liberals are anti-American, you learn to shut your mouth real quick.

We do have 2 neighbors that are somewhat Democrats and maybe even with Liberal leaning, but even they are not people that we can speak freely.

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javaz
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It’s easier to type this up here instead of replying down there –

Okay, Bush Jr., do not get me wrong about this because I abhorred him and resented him and was one to type all the anti-Bush crap online.

Such as saying that Bush was NOT my president, and I was going to fly our flags upside down and blah, blah, blah.
And now I’m reading similar things about Obama, so I guess that woke me up in a sense.

But GW is an affable guy.
He really is.
I know that his image and his personality in public is not who he really is, but he comes off as a really fun-loving nice guy.

I remember when he was running against Gore and he appeared on Regis’s show, Regis and Kelly Lee? Or was it Kathi Lee back then?
I don’t really watch that show, but did watch it way back when for some reason, and I remember there was that woman from Survivor that lost that was co-hosting with Regis.
Was her name Sue?
Never watch that show either, but GW was so very down-to-earth and nice to her and he came off as a really nice guy.
You know, the guy you’d like to have a beer with and I’d have a beer with him!
LMAO

He just wasn’t qualified to be president or governor of Texas for that matter.
He was a Sarah Palin – a corporate media creation, imho.

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SueInCa
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Hey Javaz

I agree he was an affable guy to a point, but it was all a mask. I have read several biographies on him and his family and they are much different behind closed doors. If you will recall, it took Bush days to confront 9/11 and even longer with Katrina. Then he used the ruins of the WTC as a photo op and to plant the seed of his war cry. You are much more forgiving than me lol, but I remember just how not engaged he was. Sorry to interject here but I saw him and his antics in a totally different light.

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javaz
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SUE!!!

It’s been forever since I’ve seen you and my gosh, it’s so good to see you again!

I’ve missed you!!!

I’m not sure it was all an act, as rich people can be nice, too when it suits them.

I can’t explain that, but even Paris Hilton has her days.

I used to hate her, until she put out a video mocking herself when McCain somehow drew her into the election, and then I’ve liked her ever since, but if there’s an example of a very rich person that feels entitled . . .

Do you know what I mean?

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SueInCa
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Yeah, I do, but I have read too much to the contrary to believe he is anything by conniving. I read the book by Kitty Kelly, John Dean, Russ Baker and they all tell the same story. One way in front of the crowd and another entirely behind the scenes. You should hear the scathing reviews on Barbara Bush and she was the one I felt empathy for LOL. She is a cold hearted bitch according to all reports. It is all about the green to them. GHW’s father was probably the last with any modicom of decency. Prescott Bush although somewhat of a scoundrel at least had s few morals……not so the off spring.

Thanks for the welcome back, I have been taking a hiatus and feel refreshed again. Have you been writing on the AZ thing?

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javaz
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Prescott Bush was a Nazi-sympathizer, or am I wrong in thinking that?

I don;t write articles anymore here, as I was shamed by Cher’s articles and you!

I’ve been taking online classes that are free, and it is amazing the classes that you can take online for free, even from MIT.

You don’t submit anything to be graded, but you just follow the classes and then give it a shot, and well, I’ve been having fun doing that.

I’ve also taken a hiatus for mental health reasons, as all the negativity really gets to me.

I want a solution!

But I’ve accepted that there is no solution, and so we all must just enjoy sunrises and sunsets, and be grateful.

Where are the young?

Why aren’t they protesting?

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SueInCa
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Javaz I have taken the road less traveled these days and don’t let it all get to me. I take people for what they are and call them out on it, but I can no longer let them get to me. Let them wallow in their hatred while I just laugh at them.

You sell yourself short, you piece on Arpaio was excellent and I know you can do more. You could write a book on AZ alone LOL.

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SueInCa
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Night Javaz, funny I will be doing the exact same thing in a few minutes. I guess we are on the same wave length with our recovery LOL

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javaz
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See?
That’s why I’ve missed you!
You wrote an entire series about the religious right, and you did a fantastic job!

I am going to bed now, as that is what we do!

We go to bed and take books and have the TV on to meaningless shows, and mindless sitcoms, but it’s what we do.

My husband is not into the blogging thing or even following the news, and he always tells me to STOP.

He does know what’s going on, but he doesn’t follow it all as much as I do.

He helps me since my hiatus, and other things that have happened in my life, to put it all in perspective.

We’re going to be okay and so are you.

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Kalima
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I don’t drink beer. Bush was like a dumb marionette for the evil ones in the GOP. I wonder if he ever felt the light bulb go on enough to realize that he was being used like a worn out doormat?

The RW found their stooge and he played his part well.

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javaz
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I do think the light came on.

Cheney was and probably still is royally pissed that Bush when leaving office never pardoned Scooter Libby.

I think Bush figured it out at the end.

I’ll never forget his face and demeanor when Obama won the election and people around the world celebrated.

I think that Bush was in such a bubble and he really did not realize how much people hated him and how much people around the world hated him.

I think that it’s easy to be in a bubble and believe those around you when you hold that kind of power.

I must give credit to GW during 9/11, because he did what a president should do following that horrific day.

I know, he didn’t do what he should have done to prevent it and sat in a classroom while it was happening and he looked so gobsmacked by it all.

But after, he did rally the nation and did throw the first pitch at some baseball game, and he did what presidents must do during those times.

He messed up so horribly, because he had the nation and the world’s support right after 9/11 and then what did he do?

He invaded Iraq.

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Kalima
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Actually javaz, wasn’t his message to the nation after 9/11 to tell you to “go shopping?”

You could have blown me over with a feather when I heard that and my brain couldn’t process it. Whether brain washed or not, he had enough animosity against Saddam to start an illegal war, thumb his nose at the UN and the international community and kill hundreds of thousands of innocents plus over 4000 of your bravest. Now even if I liked beer, how could I ever drink one with this man?

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javaz
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Yeah, he did say that after a time, and actually, I do understand that.
Our economy ran on consumerism.
I get that, I truly do, but he didn’t say it for a couple weeks after.

What I am saying is that when 9/11 happened, our nation and the world went into complete shock and fear.

I mean if the US could suffer such an attack – the world went on high alert.

My husband was in France at the time, and I was alone here, and I have no family here, nor did I have the friends in the neighborhood as we do now, and I wasn’t close to my in-laws back then.

In fact, my in-laws hated me, absolutely hated me back then, but we’ve all gotten over that since and I’m very close to my husband’s sisters, and one brother and even his mother and I have come to terms and love each other now.

But I was so alone when it happened and I wasn’t scared that I’d be attacked where we live, because we are rural, but I cannot tell you the fear during that time and how alone I was.

I had no idea what Europe was, and feared for my husband.

No more airplanes flying overhead, and the TV was 24 hours of non-stop coverage of New York and the sadness and fear of people who couldn’t find loved ones.

I remember 9/11 was a Tuesday, is that right?

I think that I finally ventured out on Thursday, and the radio was playing some song by Enrique Iglesius, and it had Bush’s voice in the background and it was so horribly distressing that I ran 2 stop signs but there was no traffic into town.

I should not have been driving, but I had to get groceries.

And the grocery store was empty, except for a couple cashiers and some other workers.

It was surreal.

Bush declared that Friday after as the day of mourning, and you couldn’t help but watch that on the TV and it was heartbreaking.

My husband called me from Paris and said how he was out at lunch on that Friday in a cafe and they dimmed the lights, cut the music and traffic on the streets came to halt and people got out of their cars and buses and the church bells were all he could hear.

French people in the restaurant somehow knew he was an American, and they came up to my husband and gave their condolences and it was all so very touching and extremely moving.

Bush did the right thing at the time when we all needed it.

He had the world and the nation in his hands, and then blew it all.

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Kalima
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It was a Tuesday, my hubby was returning from work out of town and I had watched everything unfold on the tv, couldn’t leave the spot I was sitting in for hours at a time. We sat together in complete shock holding hands until the broadcasts ended in the wee hours. I tried to contact a friend who lived in Manhatten, the phone was dead. Didn’t hear anything for 3 days, he had been evacuated from his building because of the toxic dust covering everything. It was almost a month until he could move back.

Economy or not, I’m not at all sure that it was appropriate, his speech at Ground Zero about the terrorists “hearing from all of us soon” was what the people wanted to hear at that time. They were looking for justice, not a new pair of shoes.

Just to clarify Europe and the rest of the world’s position in joining the coalition to invade Afghanistan, yes it was out of friendship and outrage, but please never forget that people of 92 other countries perished along with Americans that awful day and the world was united.

Europe and the U.K. have had many terrorist attacks before 9/11 and they were more outraged than worrying about if it could happen in their countries, it had for many years before, just not on the same scale.

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Kalima
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I don’t recall any train crash in Asia in Jan 2002. There was one in Cape Town though.

The French just laughed as the videos of people pouring French wine into the gutters were shown around the world. After all they were payed for many times over.

As I’ve said here many times over, Europe hated your government, not your people, we are not that immature.

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javaz
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I was no fan of Bush, but even I told my husband when he called from Paris, that Bush was saying and doing the right things at the time immediately following the attack.
And he did.

He did calm the nation in the days following, but then he let the Cheney and Rumsfeld and Neo-cons run the show.

We flew out to Paris in January following the attack, and we were so unsettled because France and Europe was on high alert.

I’d never ridden a train or subway and to see fully armed military people at train stations and in subways unnerved me, but at the same time, it was comforting.

And while we were there, there was some explosion or something in a subway somewhere in Asia – was it Japan?

Remember that?
And how the television coverage showed it and you could hear the cell-phones ringing of the dead?

I was very nervous at first, and then when the US invaded Iraq and all the anti-French coming out of the US, embarrassed us and shamed us.

I mean, they showed merchants in New York pouring French wine into the gutters and Congress met to change the name of food – Freedom Fries and Freedom Toast, and do you know how embarrassing that was to be an American in Paris?
We started saying that we were from Canada.
Je suis Canadien!

Luckily, the French understood it was the politicians and not the American people.

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Kalima
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I didn’t see the video but suspect that it wasn’t available over here anyway. I am relieved to hear the news for all the people affected now and in the future by this mess. I’m delighted for your President, the ignorant GOP were going to have a party about his responsibility in all this, now they can wipe those ugly grins off theirs faces and stop scratching their pendulous balls. Up your’s GOP!!!!

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Kalima
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Ok, I reported this as Breaking News on MB at 7:02 am, do I get a badge or something?

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boomer1949
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Absolutely!!! You have just earned a Super Scooper badge to sew on your sash. 😆 😆 😆

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Kalima
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😆 For a second there boomer, I thought you had written “to sew on your ass.” Sorry I just regained consciousness after a night of fighting with a loud mouthed mosquito.

Good evening.

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boomer1949
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Sash dear — sash. 😆 😆 😆

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Kalima
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😳 My third eye seems to be sporting an oil smudge, sorry.

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javaz
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A case of cat food for Mr. Fluffybottom?

(was that the kitty’s name that AdLib held hostage for donations to the site?)

😆

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Kalima
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Thanks javaz, he eats more than a case in two days, and has grown as big as a house. Once in a while in his sleep he shouts out, “Where is AdLib?”

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javaz
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Who was the last guy that asked about “the boot on the neck” – I thought that was a pundit that said that and not anyone in the administration.

And puh-leeze, bringing up the Sestak non-scandal leads me to believe the last guy is a FOXflamer.

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javaz
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President Obama’s explanation at the start was concise, imho.
As typical for our president, he’s handling the press with aplomb.

I do admit to chuckling at Helen Thomas turning the discussion from the Gulf to Afghanistan and her schoolmarm warning about not using the Bush excuse of ‘we fight ’em there so we won’t to have fight ’em here.’

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