622px-Ett_gammalt_bergtrollJust so you know, there are trolls from HuffPost lurking on this site and reading our comments, and they have made comments on HuffPost about us, about this site and about certain posters on this site.  They have copied and pasted certain comments from this site, saying “see what terrible people there are at PPOV?” Perhaps we all need to be more careful (And I’m very guilty myself) about commenting publicly about the goings-on on HuffPost. There are some ill people over there.

I finally canceled my account at HuffPost over this. I believe it was long, long overdue.

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whisperingn woods
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whisperingn woods

I am disappointed in HP. AH gave the impression that she is for truth but such is not the case at HP. Posts are censored over criticism of banks, or chenay among a long list of other innocuous stuff.

KevenSeven
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This is not the route to separating the planet from Huff, which I personally would like to see happen.

Point of fact, I would dare say that all the four of us would like to see the planet not be the anti-huff site, but rather a site that stands on its own.

If a troll comes over from Huff and makes a pain of him or her self, it will be dealt with in short order.

I’ll say it again: to react out of proportion to their presence is to capitulate to them.

We have a policy, we are going to enforce it. I really think you will be fine.

And I for one would utterly cringe at the presence of AC, lord I detest that disingenuous attention hog. But I can ignore her.

Scheherazade
Member

And I for one would utterly cringe at the presence of AC, lord I detest that disingenuous attention hog. But I can ignore her.

I heart you K7.

Hopeington
Member
Hopeington

Ditto on the AC thing…avoid at all cost.
And I don’t think this is ever going to be the anti Huff site, but there is a natural progression of bewilderment one has to go through after leaving that toxic area that we have to be supportive of.
Once you start posting here, it drops away quickly.
I don’t think any of us really want to dwell on it, but it’s so relieving to be able to speak freely about the Greek Whoracle after so much censorship, one needs to be allowed to get it out of their system.

solomons devotion
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solomons devotion

For the people that say they are leaving until I am gone, is that really a mature way of handling things? I am here for a CALM and open debate without feeling under attack like over at huffington post. Pepe, I am sorry for making you feel so bad. You really are a beloved poster to me and some of my friends in real life. Frankly they have been giving me a hard time since you left. Can’t we all get along?

KevenSeven
Member

Dude,

Apparently, they don’t like you. Which is their perfect right. You will not be banned just because other posters here don’t like you.

Now, have you anything that you actually want to talk about besides how other people here respond to you?

And frankly, speaking just for me, I’d be glad if you dropped the topic of Huff just now. I would count that a personal favor. This is not the anti-huff. This is a discussion board with its own purpose and mission.

solomons devotion
Guest
solomons devotion

I thought the thread was about me and my actions on Huffington post. They might not have mentioned me by name but they singled out my actions with very nasty insults. You are right this should not be about Huffington post and I will drop it for you and the others that excepted me with open arms.

KevenSeven
Member

Hey, lead me to the comments they were referencing. Then I can judge for myself.

AdLib
Admin

It’s all about what happens as time goes by. If people are earnest in their desire to have calm, thoughtful, constructive conversations here and put the HuffPo Grudge Match fights aside, the proof will be in the pudding.

I will say that all members, including you of course, must be treated with respect here and are welcome to participate here as long as they wish to return the same.

There will be folks on opposite sides of the fence and even on the same side of the fence who come here and find people with whom they’ve had conflicts. It’s not optional here, the conflicts are not permitted to continue here in any way.

President Obama tried holding out the hand of reason and bipartisanship at the beginning of his term and I don’t think that was a mistake, if we can find a better way to communicate and respect each other, that is a noble goal. Though, once the hand was slapped away, if I was Obama, I would have taken “no” for an answer and acted accordingly.

solomons devotion
Guest
solomons devotion

I like you already.

KarateKid
Member

AdLib, I agree with your outlook for this site. Our HP relationships are very complicated, and you, as the moderator of this site, have to deal with it.

Person A and Person B may be the best of friends, but person A hates Person C but Person B is all right with Person C.

You, as moderator, cannot be the referee.

In order to have a truly great site, people should not have to pass a litmus test. This is not a private country club or a small, narrow Yahoo Group with strict entry reuirements.

I think you’ll find an ebb and flow, an evolution of visitors and regulars. This is what happened at HP. But if some say they are going to leave because someone they don’t like is going to post, then this site cannot be held hostage by that person. It’s a free country and everyone should be welcome here, as long as they show respect.

Kalima
Admin

As owner of this site I think that AdLib has every right to do as he sees fit with disruption in any form in this community. We don’t judge or demand a litmus test but expect people to abide with our rules of use and be respectful to other members. Once that line has been crossed several times, we have to consider the other members first. This site was created by months of careful thought and discussion, we wanted it to be the complete opposite of our experiences at HP, we will strive to hold on to our convictions and try hard to keep it this way.

Fyi, we as founding members are not exempt from our own “Rules of Use” I can assure you of this.

bito
Member

Good morning Dear Ms. Kalima, I wish you well!

Kalima
Admin

Good evening bito, you sound a little down, everything ok?

bito
Member

Kalima, I’m always good. actually, my lymph nodes are swelling, and I get worried and tired. Other than that, I’m chipper. (bit of a disturbance this morn)

Kalima
Admin

Sorry to hear that. Don’t worry yourself about any disturbance, we aim to follow our rules.

KarateKid
Member

That’s all I’m saying, Kalima. We should be above any grudges, it’s not progressive.

Kalima
Admin

It has nothing to do with grudges KK, it has to do with the gradual deterioration of HP, the stress of dealing with foul mouthed trolls and the need to express ourselves freely without interruptions.
People come here to get away from all of that, and that is why it won’t be tolerated here.

If someone enjoys these mindless exchanges, they have HP to do it on, but not here.

KarateKid
Member

But are you not making an assumption, Kalima. Bitohistory says don’t bring HP over here, but it’s inevitable. No one was complaining when I got a dozen or so people to come here. But as soon as I mention AC, everyone got their panties all bunched up. Grudges, I see plenty of them just by reading the posts.

Kalima
Admin

It’s not an assumption, I have read the endless comments and posts about things that go on at HP and know that for most people it is just a healing process, I did the same at another site in April but it was brief. I’m just saying that there is a difference with the site that is now HP and what we see the Planet growing in to, so the sooner people rid themselves of the furor over HP, the better our site becomes.

As I said before, reading through all of the comments here, the majority of members view the Planet as a refuge from HP and will react strongly to the suggestion that it’s ok to carry on with it here.

Again, everyone is welcome if they follow the rules, if they don’t you are not the one who will be putting in the effort, the hours of private time and getting the headache to have to deal with the situation every time it happens.

Oh and boycotting this site in the hope of us bending our rules because someone doesn’t like a poster and said poster hasn’t broken the rules, is not a very viable option and will not change anything here.

KarateKid
Member

I don’t want to preach to the choir because I agree with your first paragraph, but you’re assuming there will be more of the same if certain people come here. I didn’t know AC dominated so many people, I can tell you she doesn’t dominate my thoughts. And, isn’t this a place for points of view, and not a place for HP healing? Maybe I’ll come back in the future when everyone is a little more open and truly Progressive.

Kalima
Admin

KK after reading the comments dealing with your suggestion yesterday, it is inevitable that there would be more of the same, you must have read all the comments yourself. No it’s not an assumption at all, it would be a fact and please we should be considerate of other members if we are as you say, be truly progressive.

I hope that some of what I said makes sense in the big picture and hope to see you again soon.

Take care.

escribacat
Member

Well said, Kalima.

KevenSeven
Member

Kalima is not kidding y’all.

And I think that the rules make perfect sense. As I wrote elsewhere, if people want to boycott the planet until a particular blogger or other leaves, they have capitulated to that blogger.

If someone wants a length of rope, let them have it. If they fashion a noose out of it, it will only go around their neck.

Dread naught. Have sufficient self-confidence to allow a troll to be a troll. Don’t cry. We will deal with him as needed.

bito
Member

KK, I have no”our relationships” with HuffPO.
I am done with that situation. I do not want to see it brought over here. If you choose to disagree with AdLib,QK, K7 and Kalima, so be it. The rules were made and made with a reason. Everyone has a choice!

javaz
Member

Holy crap. b’ito!!!

You got dragged into it!!

I’ve not read anything before or after, but what the hell?

I’m going in now, to HP, and deleting my javaz from there.

WTH?

LOL

No one will miss me, but am doing it on principle, or principal.

I think principal is a high school person, because they are are pals?

I’ve no idea, but b’ito, wth?

This is PPOV and we are freedom of speech, freedom from pending, freedom from scrubbing.

Don’t get caught up in the drama.

Your friend always~
j’avaz

Am there, but do not know to self destruct!
Help me eliminate myself.

HITO
Member
HITO

I will miss you.

But the reasons to go there have changed…

Go into your “preferences”, look down at the red button.

Click it, you are done.

I’m an expert at it.

bito
Member

J’avaz, moment of weakness? 😛

KarateKid
Member

So just because you don’t have any friendships there it has to be the same for me, too? Then tell me, where did you make all your friendships here? Where did THAT originate?

SueInCa
Member

Though, once the hand was slapped away, if I was Obama, I would have taken

boomer1949
Member

Welcome Solomon,

Yes, we can all get along…the key word here is “WE” and “WE” is everyone here.

If what you say is true regarding, “CALM and open debate,” then you are as welcome as anyone else on the Planet. That said however, all of us here respect each other, we don’t play games, we listen, we don’t judge, and as President Obama did in extending his hand, either get with the program or get off the train.

Talk soon!

TheRarestPatriot
Member

Let me just say that everything said here holds a grain of truth. Especially the anonymity of posters to spew whatever diatribe they feel will instigate or infuriate. I am all about heated debate, but with intellect and respect. That how PROGRESS happens. However, so many over at the other site feel that it is their lifelong obligation to piss in everyone’s Wheaties as often as possible because they have no ‘real’ presence on the web. They are peace-snipers. They are well camouflaged at times and it takes awhile to discover their true intentions. I hope they are quickly dealt with here.
I came from HP on an invite and made a personal decision while en-route here. I told myself I would no longer hide behind a creative, point-making avatar and just post my own ugly mug. Me pulling my glasses down to look you right in the eye…to expose myself and let everyone know that I OWN what I say. This isn’t for everyone, yet at least I’ve removed one of the veils of secrecy some need to hide behind. You can count on what I say to be real and only my opinion. Boy I hope the trolls stay away. Haha~

bito
Member

Hey, didn’t I see you at the 7-11 last night? 😆
Thank you for your thoughts. This place gets better an better.

TheRarestPatriot
Member

Was that YOU at 7-11? And what were YOU doing out so late?….LOL~
Thanks for the welcome.

bito
Member

My pleasure, Sir.
If it was past 9:00 I was sleep walking.

HITO
Member
HITO

Welcome RarestPatriot.

Owning your words and no room for bullshit here are the best rules they have.

You should be very happy here. I am.

Chernynkaya
Member

Me too!!! Did ANYONE take a valium today?

HITO
Member
HITO

No no…I got alot of Xmas decorating done, and both of the kids actually went out and shovelled the deck and front walkway after I made a sad face. (Herniated discs plague me).

Guilt works, said the lapsed Catholic.

Glad you are happy here Cher. Don’t ever leave.

Chernynkaya
Member

No need to explain about guilt–I am the typical Jewish mother (21st century version).

The other night my husband (who is Chinese) pointed this out to me. He was in bed watching TV. When I got in I wanted to change the channel, but before I did I said, “Do you want to keep watching your show, or do you want to get up tired in the morning?”

He started laughing real hard and I didn’t get why. When he stopped laughing long enough to tell me, he said, “Why didn’t you just say you want to change the channel?” Old habits die hard.

SeeknDestroy
Member
SeeknDestroy

~smile~

nellie
Member

Welcome, TRP. There are no trolls here. Anyone who tries to be a troll will find his/her posts on probation.

I’m looking forward to your comments.

Chernynkaya
Member

Hi Nellie– help!

I just failed at uploading a photo to my post. I uploaded it smack in the middle of the text. Can you save me from humiliation? either way, thank you!

KevenSeven
Member

Look to step four of the instructions.

Chernynkaya
Member

Got it–thanks K7.Maybe next time I’ll read it through to the end. (hehe)

SueInCa
Member

I did the same this morning about editing my post, then found the answer. It happens to the best of us.

nellie
Member

I’ll take a look.

AdLib
Admin

I’ve fixed it, all is cool but thanks nellie!

Chernynkaya
Member

You Rock! Thank you!

SueInCa
Member

Welcome Patriot, you have all the right ideas. Maybe someday I will post my own pic. I am shy about that kind of thing, not photogenic, you know?

bito
Member

Sue, I am beyond photogenic. 🙂

BigDogMom
Member
BigDogMom

So am I, but my dogs aren’t!

Leaving now to try to get my AV up…it’ll probably show up in the middle of someones post…tech wizard I am not.

Chernynkaya
Member

Welcome to my world. This morning, AdLib rescued me.

BigDogMom
Member
BigDogMom

Welcome to the Planet RarestPatriot.

Your mug’s not so ugly and I haven’t seen it posted at the Post Office as one of the FBI’s most wanted, so you should be good to go.

We welcome honest and thoughtful debate here. Sometime we have disagreements, but such is life, we move on and agree to disagree.

Look forward to your posts.

escribacat
Member

Hey Rarest…great post and welcome. I look forward to your comments. I am intrigued at your theory about “peace snipers.” Tell me more.

TheRarestPatriot
Member

Yeah, well…peace snipers….It’s just a term I invented for trolls that sit perched in their anonymous trees just waiting to shatter the calm, educated and sometimes very important postings. They shoot down any possibility to continue a constructive dialog by introducing fact-less facts, straw-doggies and just plain thuggery to muddle the process. They have no purpose other than being obstacles. Much like the GOP functions right now. That comment is not a political stab…it is a fact that I can prove. You see, that’s the difference between reason and logic. I will listen to ANY side to ANY story. The facts will be borne out and a decision can be made. Lacking facts or intelligent conjecture, a conversation simply languishes under its own weight of mediocrity and nothing is accomplished. This scenario is precisely what ‘peace snipers’ hope to achieve…because ‘change’ is scary and will probably have a bad impact on most of the ‘sniper’s’ ilk.

BigDogMom
Member
BigDogMom

Like acapo? No real thought or intelligence, just annoying, waste of posting space…

PatsyT
Member

That one is missing an “r”

BigDogMom
Member
BigDogMom

Hey Patsy…is it acarpo or acapo? All I know is that it’s one liners are quite annoying….LOL!

Love your AV, working to get mine up and running…I am such a techno fart.

PatsyT
Member

a c r a p o

I have not been there much lately
but that one stands out !
My kids are techno wizards
I can’t believe what they can do.
I have help, lucky me.

AdLib
Admin

Cheers TheRarestPatriot! A great statement all the way around!

Corgi Lover
Guest

Solomons Devotion: Your claim you came here to get away from four stalkers is a lie. It was you posting stuff from here on HP the other day, and you know that HITO, Seek, Dey, and myself are here. Your fixation is unacceptable.

adlib, this one is bad news. Ever hear of Brown, ect?

I’m going black until this is done.

bito
Member

Monk, I was wonder the some thing. Interesting comments were left by Sol.

KevenSeven
Member

Man. I’d kill to read those. I cannot find his profile. What thread was all that on?

And don’t worry about SD. If he is a pain, AdLib will have no more difficulty with him than with flicking a speck of dandruff my shoulder.

Although it is usually too dark in the bar to see the dandruff….

KevenSeven
Member

Ah ah ah!

Now just a minute. You may do as you please. But the rule is that until a blogger proves themselves, HERE, to be a creep, then they get to participate.

Assuming that SD is going to be a creep, then he or she is going to be shown the door. But nobody gets shived without mal-behaving HERE.

I risk paraphrasing AdLib: SD is what SD is, and if that is obnoxious and disruptive, then SD will experience the consequences.

You are under no obligation to post here while SD does, but I don’t think any of us has a black-ball of other bloggers. I don’t think that even if the four of the founders detested a particular blogger, that we would black-ball him without allowing at least one un-acceptable post.

Ramirez
Member
Ramirez

Good afternoon, PlanetPOVers.

AdLib
Admin

Good afternoon and welcome to The Planet, Ramirez.

Ramirez
Member
Ramirez

Thank you, Ad Lib. This website is technically stunning, and I respect what you’ve done here. Thank you for permitting me to join.

KevenSeven
Member

Hey, Rami, you occasional-pain-in-the-ass.

If you want to play, come aboard.

It is not required that you be perfectly honest in your debate style, and I certainly appreciate your willingness to use your moniker. I anticipate plenty of disingenuous argument from you, should you participate. But I know that you can keep it civil, which is the price of playing here.

You know that I like a vigorous give and take. I for one have no issues with your posting here. Observe the rules, they are not complex.

escribacat
Member

Aha. The famous Ramirez! Welcome.

kesmarn
Admin

Welcome, Ramirez!

boomer1949
Member

Afternoon Ramierz — welcome!

KarateKid
Member

Well, look who’s here. Welcome, Rami. I hope the environment here will lead to some interesting discussions. We’re willing to let bygones be bygones; I even invited AC and am really trying to get along with her better, but it will ultimately take two. The same applies to you, from me. I never considered you, AC or flossy to be trolls, though some don’t agree with my feelings.

Maybe we can just start over, without all the other crap that has pervaded HP. Are you game?

KevenSeven
Member

You don’t flatter Rami by lumping him in with Flossy or AC, neither of whom I would welcome here. I detest both of them.

Rami can be a flaming pain in the ass, but he will be civil here, I am nearly sure.

BigDogMom
Member
BigDogMom

Welcome to the Planet Ramirez…

SeeknDestroy
Member
SeeknDestroy

Oh great.
~~~smile~~~
Hey Ramirez……………

Corgi Lover
Guest

Do I need to remind you how you greeted one of my friends when they first came over here?

Never take that tone with me. I heard it once before and didn’t like it, and I don’t need it now.

I didn’t say to blackball him, I just said I won’t chose to be here.

KevenSeven
Member

Now don’t get defensive. I was responding to your call to AdLib to cut him off, otherwise you would not participate.

I made a perfectly reasonable point to you.

As for HITO, she and I have kissed and make up. Put it in the past that is my advice.

SeeknDestroy
Member
SeeknDestroy

Oops.

HITO
Member
HITO

Agreed, Monk. I believe he came here to engage us.

I will stand down with you.

escribacat
Member

I am sure that is true, Hito. I tried to email you but got an error. It was an old email you had posted somewhere before. With your permission, maybe Monk or Pepe can give me yours.

HITO
Member
HITO

[email protected]

Look forward to it Cat.

KevenSeven
Member

HITO, what is the point of that?

We are not going to ban people for infractions on other sites, and that is how that is.

Stand and deliver. Play out the rope. If he fashions a noose, it will not go around your neck, I promise.

HITO
Member
HITO

I will not engage with Solomon aka BlueVoterOnly aka Brown.

I have seen what harm he can do.

That, is my point and my choice.

I could care less about what he fashions, but I do find it interesting that you feel compelled to promise it shall not encircle my neck.

solomons devotion
Guest
solomons devotion

BlueVoteronly is not me. Can we not act like grown ups on this site? You are as guilty for the actions that got out of hand as much as I am.

KevenSeven
Member

OK. I think we have heard enough about how you people don’t like each other. We get the message.

You got something you want to talk about, besides your frictions with other people who post here?

solomons devotion
Guest
solomons devotion

I love what you and others have done here. You have the potential to rival Other big web sites.

KevenSeven
Member

Thanks. I got all the friends I can keep up with.

KevenSeven
Member

Don’t engage with him, that is fine.

If you did not understand the metaphor:

Whatever evil plans he may contrive will only hurt him, not you.

I read you to say that you were not going to post here at all if he was allowed to post here. For anyone who actually sees things that way, I say, you have let the troll win.

That was my point.

AdLib