Just so you know, there are trolls from HuffPost lurking on this site and reading our comments, and they have made comments on HuffPost about us, about this site and about certain posters on this site. They have copied and pasted certain comments from this site, saying “see what terrible people there are at PPOV?” Perhaps we all need to be more careful (And I’m very guilty myself) about commenting publicly about the goings-on on HuffPost. There are some ill people over there.
I finally canceled my account at HuffPost over this. I believe it was long, long overdue.
I am disappointed in HP. AH gave the impression that she is for truth but such is not the case at HP. Posts are censored over criticism of banks, or chenay among a long list of other innocuous stuff.
This is not the route to separating the planet from Huff, which I personally would like to see happen.
Point of fact, I would dare say that all the four of us would like to see the planet not be the anti-huff site, but rather a site that stands on its own.
If a troll comes over from Huff and makes a pain of him or her self, it will be dealt with in short order.
I’ll say it again: to react out of proportion to their presence is to capitulate to them.
We have a policy, we are going to enforce it. I really think you will be fine.
And I for one would utterly cringe at the presence of AC, lord I detest that disingenuous attention hog. But I can ignore her.
I heart you K7.
Ditto on the AC thing…avoid at all cost.
And I don’t think this is ever going to be the anti Huff site, but there is a natural progression of bewilderment one has to go through after leaving that toxic area that we have to be supportive of.
Once you start posting here, it drops away quickly.
I don’t think any of us really want to dwell on it, but it’s so relieving to be able to speak freely about the Greek Whoracle after so much censorship, one needs to be allowed to get it out of their system.
For the people that say they are leaving until I am gone, is that really a mature way of handling things? I am here for a CALM and open debate without feeling under attack like over at huffington post. Pepe, I am sorry for making you feel so bad. You really are a beloved poster to me and some of my friends in real life. Frankly they have been giving me a hard time since you left. Can’t we all get along?
Apparently, they don’t like you. Which is their perfect right. You will not be banned just because other posters here don’t like you.
Now, have you anything that you actually want to talk about besides how other people here respond to you?
And frankly, speaking just for me, I’d be glad if you dropped the topic of Huff just now. I would count that a personal favor. This is not the anti-huff. This is a discussion board with its own purpose and mission.
I thought the thread was about me and my actions on Huffington post. They might not have mentioned me by name but they singled out my actions with very nasty insults. You are right this should not be about Huffington post and I will drop it for you and the others that excepted me with open arms.
Hey, lead me to the comments they were referencing. Then I can judge for myself.
It’s all about what happens as time goes by. If people are earnest in their desire to have calm, thoughtful, constructive conversations here and put the HuffPo Grudge Match fights aside, the proof will be in the pudding.
I will say that all members, including you of course, must be treated with respect here and are welcome to participate here as long as they wish to return the same.
There will be folks on opposite sides of the fence and even on the same side of the fence who come here and find people with whom they’ve had conflicts. It’s not optional here, the conflicts are not permitted to continue here in any way.
President Obama tried holding out the hand of reason and bipartisanship at the beginning of his term and I don’t think that was a mistake, if we can find a better way to communicate and respect each other, that is a noble goal. Though, once the hand was slapped away, if I was Obama, I would have taken “no” for an answer and acted accordingly.
I like you already.
AdLib, I agree with your outlook for this site. Our HP relationships are very complicated, and you, as the moderator of this site, have to deal with it.
Person A and Person B may be the best of friends, but person A hates Person C but Person B is all right with Person C.
You, as moderator, cannot be the referee.
In order to have a truly great site, people should not have to pass a litmus test. This is not a private country club or a small, narrow Yahoo Group with strict entry reuirements.
I think you’ll find an ebb and flow, an evolution of visitors and regulars. This is what happened at HP. But if some say they are going to leave because someone they don’t like is going to post, then this site cannot be held hostage by that person. It’s a free country and everyone should be welcome here, as long as they show respect.
As owner of this site I think that AdLib has every right to do as he sees fit with disruption in any form in this community. We don’t judge or demand a litmus test but expect people to abide with our rules of use and be respectful to other members. Once that line has been crossed several times, we have to consider the other members first. This site was created by months of careful thought and discussion, we wanted it to be the complete opposite of our experiences at HP, we will strive to hold on to our convictions and try hard to keep it this way.
Fyi, we as founding members are not exempt from our own “Rules of Use” I can assure you of this.
Good morning Dear Ms. Kalima, I wish you well!
Good evening bito, you sound a little down, everything ok?
Kalima, I’m always good. actually, my lymph nodes are swelling, and I get worried and tired. Other than that, I’m chipper. (bit of a disturbance this morn)
Sorry to hear that. Don’t worry yourself about any disturbance, we aim to follow our rules.
That’s all I’m saying, Kalima. We should be above any grudges, it’s not progressive.
It has nothing to do with grudges KK, it has to do with the gradual deterioration of HP, the stress of dealing with foul mouthed trolls and the need to express ourselves freely without interruptions.
People come here to get away from all of that, and that is why it won’t be tolerated here.
If someone enjoys these mindless exchanges, they have HP to do it on, but not here.
But are you not making an assumption, Kalima. Bitohistory says don’t bring HP over here, but it’s inevitable. No one was complaining when I got a dozen or so people to come here. But as soon as I mention AC, everyone got their panties all bunched up. Grudges, I see plenty of them just by reading the posts.
It’s not an assumption, I have read the endless comments and posts about things that go on at HP and know that for most people it is just a healing process, I did the same at another site in April but it was brief. I’m just saying that there is a difference with the site that is now HP and what we see the Planet growing in to, so the sooner people rid themselves of the furor over HP, the better our site becomes.
As I said before, reading through all of the comments here, the majority of members view the Planet as a refuge from HP and will react strongly to the suggestion that it’s ok to carry on with it here.
Again, everyone is welcome if they follow the rules, if they don’t you are not the one who will be putting in the effort, the hours of private time and getting the headache to have to deal with the situation every time it happens.
Oh and boycotting this site in the hope of us bending our rules because someone doesn’t like a poster and said poster hasn’t broken the rules, is not a very viable option and will not change anything here.
I don’t want to preach to the choir because I agree with your first paragraph, but you’re assuming there will be more of the same if certain people come here. I didn’t know AC dominated so many people, I can tell you she doesn’t dominate my thoughts. And, isn’t this a place for points of view, and not a place for HP healing? Maybe I’ll come back in the future when everyone is a little more open and truly Progressive.
KK after reading the comments dealing with your suggestion yesterday, it is inevitable that there would be more of the same, you must have read all the comments yourself. No it’s not an assumption at all, it would be a fact and please we should be considerate of other members if we are as you say, be truly progressive.
I hope that some of what I said makes sense in the big picture and hope to see you again soon.
It’s not about grudges, KK, honestly it isn’t.
It’s about not being to trust people who have shown a consistent, pervasive pattern of being unstable. I don’t have a grudge. It’s simply a trust issue.
I see plenty of people here with grudges, Pepe. Everyone still talks about HP ad nauseum.
No offence, KK, but you’re as guilty as anyone on that subject. You spoke at length yesterday about how angry you were at Hume.
I wouldn’t call one post “at length”. And I’m not trying to keep anyone out. I just wish people would be a little more tolerant. It seems you all want your little cliques over here, too.
What purpose did it serve to bring the Hume stuff over here? I’m just saying heal thyself before lecturing others…
Well said, Kalima.
Kalima is not kidding y’all.
And I think that the rules make perfect sense. As I wrote elsewhere, if people want to boycott the planet until a particular blogger or other leaves, they have capitulated to that blogger.
If someone wants a length of rope, let them have it. If they fashion a noose out of it, it will only go around their neck.
Dread naught. Have sufficient self-confidence to allow a troll to be a troll. Don’t cry. We will deal with him as needed.
KK, I have no”our relationships” with HuffPO.
I am done with that situation. I do not want to see it brought over here. If you choose to disagree with AdLib,QK, K7 and Kalima, so be it. The rules were made and made with a reason. Everyone has a choice!
Holy crap. b’ito!!!
You got dragged into it!!
I’ve not read anything before or after, but what the hell?
I’m going in now, to HP, and deleting my javaz from there.
No one will miss me, but am doing it on principle, or principal.
I think principal is a high school person, because they are are pals?
I’ve no idea, but b’ito, wth?
This is PPOV and we are freedom of speech, freedom from pending, freedom from scrubbing.
Don’t get caught up in the drama.
Your friend always~
Am there, but do not know to self destruct!
Help me eliminate myself.
I will miss you.
But the reasons to go there have changed…
Go into your “preferences”, look down at the red button.
Click it, you are done.
I’m an expert at it.
J’avaz, moment of weakness? 😛
So just because you don’t have any friendships there it has to be the same for me, too? Then tell me, where did you make all your friendships here? Where did THAT originate?
Though, once the hand was slapped away, if I was Obama, I would have taken
Yes, we can all get along…the key word here is “WE” and “WE” is everyone here.
If what you say is true regarding, “CALM and open debate,” then you are as welcome as anyone else on the Planet. That said however, all of us here respect each other, we don’t play games, we listen, we don’t judge, and as President Obama did in extending his hand, either get with the program or get off the train.
Let me just say that everything said here holds a grain of truth. Especially the anonymity of posters to spew whatever diatribe they feel will instigate or infuriate. I am all about heated debate, but with intellect and respect. That how PROGRESS happens. However, so many over at the other site feel that it is their lifelong obligation to piss in everyone’s Wheaties as often as possible because they have no ‘real’ presence on the web. They are peace-snipers. They are well camouflaged at times and it takes awhile to discover their true intentions. I hope they are quickly dealt with here.
I came from HP on an invite and made a personal decision while en-route here. I told myself I would no longer hide behind a creative, point-making avatar and just post my own ugly mug. Me pulling my glasses down to look you right in the eye…to expose myself and let everyone know that I OWN what I say. This isn’t for everyone, yet at least I’ve removed one of the veils of secrecy some need to hide behind. You can count on what I say to be real and only my opinion. Boy I hope the trolls stay away. Haha~
Hey, didn’t I see you at the 7-11 last night? 😆
Thank you for your thoughts. This place gets better an better.
Was that YOU at 7-11? And what were YOU doing out so late?….LOL~
Thanks for the welcome.
My pleasure, Sir.
If it was past 9:00 I was sleep walking.
Owning your words and no room for bullshit here are the best rules they have.
You should be very happy here. I am.
Me too!!! Did ANYONE take a valium today?
No, but I got a prescription today for Vicodin!
Hey you, be careful with that stuff.
My brother…nevermind. Just be careful Skunkworth. I am one of your biggest fans.
No no…I got alot of Xmas decorating done, and both of the kids actually went out and shovelled the deck and front walkway after I made a sad face. (Herniated discs plague me).
Guilt works, said the lapsed Catholic.
Glad you are happy here Cher. Don’t ever leave.
No need to explain about guilt–I am the typical Jewish mother (21st century version).
The other night my husband (who is Chinese) pointed this out to me. He was in bed watching TV. When I got in I wanted to change the channel, but before I did I said, “Do you want to keep watching your show, or do you want to get up tired in the morning?”
He started laughing real hard and I didn’t get why. When he stopped laughing long enough to tell me, he said, “Why didn’t you just say you want to change the channel?” Old habits die hard.
Welcome, TRP. There are no trolls here. Anyone who tries to be a troll will find his/her posts on probation.
I’m looking forward to your comments.
Hi Nellie– help!
I just failed at uploading a photo to my post. I uploaded it smack in the middle of the text. Can you save me from humiliation? either way, thank you!
Look to step four of the instructions.
Got it–thanks K7.Maybe next time I’ll read it through to the end. (hehe)
I did the same this morning about editing my post, then found the answer. It happens to the best of us.
I’ll take a look.
I’ve fixed it, all is cool but thanks nellie!
You Rock! Thank you!
Welcome Patriot, you have all the right ideas. Maybe someday I will post my own pic. I am shy about that kind of thing, not photogenic, you know?
Sue, I am beyond photogenic. 🙂
So am I, but my dogs aren’t!
Leaving now to try to get my AV up…it’ll probably show up in the middle of someones post…tech wizard I am not.
Welcome to my world. This morning, AdLib rescued me.
Welcome to the Planet RarestPatriot.
Your mug’s not so ugly and I haven’t seen it posted at the Post Office as one of the FBI’s most wanted, so you should be good to go.
We welcome honest and thoughtful debate here. Sometime we have disagreements, but such is life, we move on and agree to disagree.
Look forward to your posts.
Hey Rarest…great post and welcome. I look forward to your comments. I am intrigued at your theory about “peace snipers.” Tell me more.
Yeah, well…peace snipers….It’s just a term I invented for trolls that sit perched in their anonymous trees just waiting to shatter the calm, educated and sometimes very important postings. They shoot down any possibility to continue a constructive dialog by introducing fact-less facts, straw-doggies and just plain thuggery to muddle the process. They have no purpose other than being obstacles. Much like the GOP functions right now. That comment is not a political stab…it is a fact that I can prove. You see, that’s the difference between reason and logic. I will listen to ANY side to ANY story. The facts will be borne out and a decision can be made. Lacking facts or intelligent conjecture, a conversation simply languishes under its own weight of mediocrity and nothing is accomplished. This scenario is precisely what ‘peace snipers’ hope to achieve…because ‘change’ is scary and will probably have a bad impact on most of the ‘sniper’s’ ilk.
Like acapo? No real thought or intelligence, just annoying, waste of posting space…
That one is missing an “r”
Hey Patsy…is it acarpo or acapo? All I know is that it’s one liners are quite annoying….LOL!
Love your AV, working to get mine up and running…I am such a techno fart.
a c r a p o
I have not been there much lately
but that one stands out !
My kids are techno wizards
I can’t believe what they can do.
I have help, lucky me.
Hey, you has doggie!
Don’t you think it was about time to let the dogs out!
Cheers TheRarestPatriot! A great statement all the way around!
Solomons Devotion: Your claim you came here to get away from four stalkers is a lie. It was you posting stuff from here on HP the other day, and you know that HITO, Seek, Dey, and myself are here. Your fixation is unacceptable.
adlib, this one is bad news. Ever hear of Brown, ect?
I’m going black until this is done.
Monk, I was wonder the some thing. Interesting comments were left by Sol.
Man. I’d kill to read those. I cannot find his profile. What thread was all that on?
And don’t worry about SD. If he is a pain, AdLib will have no more difficulty with him than with flicking a speck of dandruff my shoulder.
Although it is usually too dark in the bar to see the dandruff….
Ah ah ah!
Now just a minute. You may do as you please. But the rule is that until a blogger proves themselves, HERE, to be a creep, then they get to participate.
Assuming that SD is going to be a creep, then he or she is going to be shown the door. But nobody gets shived without mal-behaving HERE.
I risk paraphrasing AdLib: SD is what SD is, and if that is obnoxious and disruptive, then SD will experience the consequences.
You are under no obligation to post here while SD does, but I don’t think any of us has a black-ball of other bloggers. I don’t think that even if the four of the founders detested a particular blogger, that we would black-ball him without allowing at least one un-acceptable post.
Good afternoon, PlanetPOVers.
Good afternoon and welcome to The Planet, Ramirez.
Thank you, Ad Lib. This website is technically stunning, and I respect what you’ve done here. Thank you for permitting me to join.
Hey, Rami, you occasional-pain-in-the-ass.
If you want to play, come aboard.
It is not required that you be perfectly honest in your debate style, and I certainly appreciate your willingness to use your moniker. I anticipate plenty of disingenuous argument from you, should you participate. But I know that you can keep it civil, which is the price of playing here.
You know that I like a vigorous give and take. I for one have no issues with your posting here. Observe the rules, they are not complex.
Personal attack! 😀
Aha. The famous Ramirez! Welcome.
Afternoon Ramierz — welcome!
Well, look who’s here. Welcome, Rami. I hope the environment here will lead to some interesting discussions. We’re willing to let bygones be bygones; I even invited AC and am really trying to get along with her better, but it will ultimately take two. The same applies to you, from me. I never considered you, AC or flossy to be trolls, though some don’t agree with my feelings.
Maybe we can just start over, without all the other crap that has pervaded HP. Are you game?
You don’t flatter Rami by lumping him in with Flossy or AC, neither of whom I would welcome here. I detest both of them.
Rami can be a flaming pain in the ass, but he will be civil here, I am nearly sure.
Welcome to the Planet Ramirez…
Do I need to remind you how you greeted one of my friends when they first came over here?
Never take that tone with me. I heard it once before and didn’t like it, and I don’t need it now.
I didn’t say to blackball him, I just said I won’t chose to be here.
Now don’t get defensive. I was responding to your call to AdLib to cut him off, otherwise you would not participate.
I made a perfectly reasonable point to you.
As for HITO, she and I have kissed and make up. Put it in the past that is my advice.
Agreed, Monk. I believe he came here to engage us.
I will stand down with you.
I am sure that is true, Hito. I tried to email you but got an error. It was an old email you had posted somewhere before. With your permission, maybe Monk or Pepe can give me yours.
Look forward to it Cat.
HITO, what is the point of that?
We are not going to ban people for infractions on other sites, and that is how that is.
Stand and deliver. Play out the rope. If he fashions a noose, it will not go around your neck, I promise.
I will not engage with Solomon aka BlueVoterOnly aka Brown.
I have seen what harm he can do.
That, is my point and my choice.
I could care less about what he fashions, but I do find it interesting that you feel compelled to promise it shall not encircle my neck.
BlueVoteronly is not me. Can we not act like grown ups on this site? You are as guilty for the actions that got out of hand as much as I am.
OK. I think we have heard enough about how you people don’t like each other. We get the message.
You got something you want to talk about, besides your frictions with other people who post here?
I love what you and others have done here. You have the potential to rival Other big web sites.
Thanks. I got all the friends I can keep up with.
Don’t engage with him, that is fine.
If you did not understand the metaphor:
Whatever evil plans he may contrive will only hurt him, not you.
I read you to say that you were not going to post here at all if he was allowed to post here. For anyone who actually sees things that way, I say, you have let the troll win.
That was my point.
K7 is right on the money. Everyone is welcome to join here as long as they show respect to all members and the site.
With HuffPo being the pressure cooker that it is, many of us, including me, have crossed the hostility line over there in a way we are hardly proud of.
For those who want to leave that HuffPoo behind, they are welcome here, especially reasonable Republicans who really want to discuss and debate issues respectfully.
For anyone who wants to bring the muck and troll behavior here from HuffPo, they will not be here for long.
There is an open door here for everyone but a zero tolerance for disruptive or hostile behavior and if there is any question on this, the rules here will be swiftly and firmly enforced.
On the other hand, I do hope that our members are comfortable and confident as to what this site is and what it stands for…and against.
I guarantee that the confidence of our members will always be proven justified.
Shit, I have crossed the hostility line HERE, thought better of it, and am now a productive citizen of the planet.
See? Reform is possible!
You mean there’s hope for me, K? I’m trying, and have substantially reduced my flames to the righties but sometimes it’s too tempting. But, that’s my New Year’s Resolution. I have found it more useful to obliquely insult them instead of name calling. Pray for me.