622px-Ett_gammalt_bergtrollJust so you know, there are trolls from HuffPost lurking on this site and reading our comments, and they have made comments on HuffPost about us, about this site and about certain posters on this site.  They have copied and pasted certain comments from this site, saying “see what terrible people there are at PPOV?” Perhaps we all need to be more careful (And I’m very guilty myself) about commenting publicly about the goings-on on HuffPost. There are some ill people over there.

I finally canceled my account at HuffPost over this. I believe it was long, long overdue.

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whisperingn woods

I am disappointed in HP. AH gave the impression that she is for truth but such is not the case at HP. Posts are censored over criticism of banks, or chenay among a long list of other innocuous stuff.

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KevenSeven
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This is not the route to separating the planet from Huff, which I personally would like to see happen.

Point of fact, I would dare say that all the four of us would like to see the planet not be the anti-huff site, but rather a site that stands on its own.

If a troll comes over from Huff and makes a pain of him or her self, it will be dealt with in short order.

I’ll say it again: to react out of proportion to their presence is to capitulate to them.

We have a policy, we are going to enforce it. I really think you will be fine.

And I for one would utterly cringe at the presence of AC, lord I detest that disingenuous attention hog. But I can ignore her.

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Hopeington
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Ditto on the AC thing…avoid at all cost.
And I don’t think this is ever going to be the anti Huff site, but there is a natural progression of bewilderment one has to go through after leaving that toxic area that we have to be supportive of.
Once you start posting here, it drops away quickly.
I don’t think any of us really want to dwell on it, but it’s so relieving to be able to speak freely about the Greek Whoracle after so much censorship, one needs to be allowed to get it out of their system.

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Scheherazade
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And I for one would utterly cringe at the presence of AC, lord I detest that disingenuous attention hog. But I can ignore her.

I heart you K7.

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solomons devotion
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solomons devotion

For the people that say they are leaving until I am gone, is that really a mature way of handling things? I am here for a CALM and open debate without feeling under attack like over at huffington post. Pepe, I am sorry for making you feel so bad. You really are a beloved poster to me and some of my friends in real life. Frankly they have been giving me a hard time since you left. Can’t we all get along?

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boomer1949
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Welcome Solomon,

Yes, we can all get along…the key word here is “WE” and “WE” is everyone here.

If what you say is true regarding, “CALM and open debate,” then you are as welcome as anyone else on the Planet. That said however, all of us here respect each other, we don’t play games, we listen, we don’t judge, and as President Obama did in extending his hand, either get with the program or get off the train.

Talk soon!

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AdLib
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It’s all about what happens as time goes by. If people are earnest in their desire to have calm, thoughtful, constructive conversations here and put the HuffPo Grudge Match fights aside, the proof will be in the pudding.

I will say that all members, including you of course, must be treated with respect here and are welcome to participate here as long as they wish to return the same.

There will be folks on opposite sides of the fence and even on the same side of the fence who come here and find people with whom they’ve had conflicts. It’s not optional here, the conflicts are not permitted to continue here in any way.

President Obama tried holding out the hand of reason and bipartisanship at the beginning of his term and I don’t think that was a mistake, if we can find a better way to communicate and respect each other, that is a noble goal. Though, once the hand was slapped away, if I was Obama, I would have taken “no” for an answer and acted accordingly.

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SueInCa
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Though, once the hand was slapped away, if I was Obama, I would have taken

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KarateKid
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AdLib, I agree with your outlook for this site. Our HP relationships are very complicated, and you, as the moderator of this site, have to deal with it.

Person A and Person B may be the best of friends, but person A hates Person C but Person B is all right with Person C.

You, as moderator, cannot be the referee.

In order to have a truly great site, people should not have to pass a litmus test. This is not a private country club or a small, narrow Yahoo Group with strict entry reuirements.

I think you’ll find an ebb and flow, an evolution of visitors and regulars. This is what happened at HP. But if some say they are going to leave because someone they don’t like is going to post, then this site cannot be held hostage by that person. It’s a free country and everyone should be welcome here, as long as they show respect.

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bito
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KK, I have no”our relationships” with HuffPO.
I am done with that situation. I do not want to see it brought over here. If you choose to disagree with AdLib,QK, K7 and Kalima, so be it. The rules were made and made with a reason. Everyone has a choice!

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KarateKid
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So just because you don’t have any friendships there it has to be the same for me, too? Then tell me, where did you make all your friendships here? Where did THAT originate?

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javaz
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Holy crap. b’ito!!!

You got dragged into it!!

I’ve not read anything before or after, but what the hell?

I’m going in now, to HP, and deleting my javaz from there.

WTH?

LOL

No one will miss me, but am doing it on principle, or principal.

I think principal is a high school person, because they are are pals?

I’ve no idea, but b’ito, wth?

This is PPOV and we are freedom of speech, freedom from pending, freedom from scrubbing.

Don’t get caught up in the drama.

Your friend always~
j’avaz

Am there, but do not know to self destruct!
Help me eliminate myself.

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bito
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J’avaz, moment of weakness? 😛

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HITO
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HITO

I will miss you.

But the reasons to go there have changed…

Go into your “preferences”, look down at the red button.

Click it, you are done.

I’m an expert at it.

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Kalima
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As owner of this site I think that AdLib has every right to do as he sees fit with disruption in any form in this community. We don’t judge or demand a litmus test but expect people to abide with our rules of use and be respectful to other members. Once that line has been crossed several times, we have to consider the other members first. This site was created by months of careful thought and discussion, we wanted it to be the complete opposite of our experiences at HP, we will strive to hold on to our convictions and try hard to keep it this way.

Fyi, we as founding members are not exempt from our own “Rules of Use” I can assure you of this.

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KevenSeven
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Kalima is not kidding y’all.

And I think that the rules make perfect sense. As I wrote elsewhere, if people want to boycott the planet until a particular blogger or other leaves, they have capitulated to that blogger.

If someone wants a length of rope, let them have it. If they fashion a noose out of it, it will only go around their neck.

Dread naught. Have sufficient self-confidence to allow a troll to be a troll. Don’t cry. We will deal with him as needed.

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escribacat
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Well said, Kalima.

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KarateKid
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That’s all I’m saying, Kalima. We should be above any grudges, it’s not progressive.

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KarateKid
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I wouldn’t call one post “at length”. And I’m not trying to keep anyone out. I just wish people would be a little more tolerant. It seems you all want your little cliques over here, too.

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KarateKid
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I see plenty of people here with grudges, Pepe. Everyone still talks about HP ad nauseum.

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Kalima
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It has nothing to do with grudges KK, it has to do with the gradual deterioration of HP, the stress of dealing with foul mouthed trolls and the need to express ourselves freely without interruptions.
People come here to get away from all of that, and that is why it won’t be tolerated here.

If someone enjoys these mindless exchanges, they have HP to do it on, but not here.

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Kalima
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KK after reading the comments dealing with your suggestion yesterday, it is inevitable that there would be more of the same, you must have read all the comments yourself. No it’s not an assumption at all, it would be a fact and please we should be considerate of other members if we are as you say, be truly progressive.

I hope that some of what I said makes sense in the big picture and hope to see you again soon.

Take care.

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KarateKid
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I don’t want to preach to the choir because I agree with your first paragraph, but you’re assuming there will be more of the same if certain people come here. I didn’t know AC dominated so many people, I can tell you she doesn’t dominate my thoughts. And, isn’t this a place for points of view, and not a place for HP healing? Maybe I’ll come back in the future when everyone is a little more open and truly Progressive.

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Kalima
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It’s not an assumption, I have read the endless comments and posts about things that go on at HP and know that for most people it is just a healing process, I did the same at another site in April but it was brief. I’m just saying that there is a difference with the site that is now HP and what we see the Planet growing in to, so the sooner people rid themselves of the furor over HP, the better our site becomes.

As I said before, reading through all of the comments here, the majority of members view the Planet as a refuge from HP and will react strongly to the suggestion that it’s ok to carry on with it here.

Again, everyone is welcome if they follow the rules, if they don’t you are not the one who will be putting in the effort, the hours of private time and getting the headache to have to deal with the situation every time it happens.

Oh and boycotting this site in the hope of us bending our rules because someone doesn’t like a poster and said poster hasn’t broken the rules, is not a very viable option and will not change anything here.

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KarateKid
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But are you not making an assumption, Kalima. Bitohistory says don’t bring HP over here, but it’s inevitable. No one was complaining when I got a dozen or so people to come here. But as soon as I mention AC, everyone got their panties all bunched up. Grudges, I see plenty of them just by reading the posts.

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bito
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Good morning Dear Ms. Kalima, I wish you well!

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Kalima
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Good evening bito, you sound a little down, everything ok?

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Kalima
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Sorry to hear that. Don’t worry yourself about any disturbance, we aim to follow our rules.

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bito
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Kalima, I’m always good. actually, my lymph nodes are swelling, and I get worried and tired. Other than that, I’m chipper. (bit of a disturbance this morn)

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solomons devotion
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solomons devotion

I like you already.

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KevenSeven
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Dude,

Apparently, they don’t like you. Which is their perfect right. You will not be banned just because other posters here don’t like you.

Now, have you anything that you actually want to talk about besides how other people here respond to you?

And frankly, speaking just for me, I’d be glad if you dropped the topic of Huff just now. I would count that a personal favor. This is not the anti-huff. This is a discussion board with its own purpose and mission.

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solomons devotion
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solomons devotion

I thought the thread was about me and my actions on Huffington post. They might not have mentioned me by name but they singled out my actions with very nasty insults. You are right this should not be about Huffington post and I will drop it for you and the others that excepted me with open arms.

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KevenSeven
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Hey, lead me to the comments they were referencing. Then I can judge for myself.

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TheRarestPatriot
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Let me just say that everything said here holds a grain of truth. Especially the anonymity of posters to spew whatever diatribe they feel will instigate or infuriate. I am all about heated debate, but with intellect and respect. That how PROGRESS happens. However, so many over at the other site feel that it is their lifelong obligation to piss in everyone’s Wheaties as often as possible because they have no ‘real’ presence on the web. They are peace-snipers. They are well camouflaged at times and it takes awhile to discover their true intentions. I hope they are quickly dealt with here.
I came from HP on an invite and made a personal decision while en-route here. I told myself I would no longer hide behind a creative, point-making avatar and just post my own ugly mug. Me pulling my glasses down to look you right in the eye…to expose myself and let everyone know that I OWN what I say. This isn’t for everyone, yet at least I’ve removed one of the veils of secrecy some need to hide behind. You can count on what I say to be real and only my opinion. Boy I hope the trolls stay away. Haha~

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AdLib
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Cheers TheRarestPatriot! A great statement all the way around!

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escribacat
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Hey Rarest…great post and welcome. I look forward to your comments. I am intrigued at your theory about “peace snipers.” Tell me more.

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TheRarestPatriot
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Yeah, well…peace snipers….It’s just a term I invented for trolls that sit perched in their anonymous trees just waiting to shatter the calm, educated and sometimes very important postings. They shoot down any possibility to continue a constructive dialog by introducing fact-less facts, straw-doggies and just plain thuggery to muddle the process. They have no purpose other than being obstacles. Much like the GOP functions right now. That comment is not a political stab…it is a fact that I can prove. You see, that’s the difference between reason and logic. I will listen to ANY side to ANY story. The facts will be borne out and a decision can be made. Lacking facts or intelligent conjecture, a conversation simply languishes under its own weight of mediocrity and nothing is accomplished. This scenario is precisely what ‘peace snipers’ hope to achieve…because ‘change’ is scary and will probably have a bad impact on most of the ‘sniper’s’ ilk.

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BigDogMom
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BigDogMom

Like acapo? No real thought or intelligence, just annoying, waste of posting space…

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BigDogMom
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BigDogMom

Don’t you think it was about time to let the dogs out!

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PatsyT
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That one is missing an “r”

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BigDogMom
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BigDogMom

Hey Patsy…is it acarpo or acapo? All I know is that it’s one liners are quite annoying….LOL!

Love your AV, working to get mine up and running…I am such a techno fart.

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PatsyT
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a c r a p o

I have not been there much lately
but that one stands out !
My kids are techno wizards
I can’t believe what they can do.
I have help, lucky me.

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BigDogMom
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BigDogMom

Welcome to the Planet RarestPatriot.

Your mug’s not so ugly and I haven’t seen it posted at the Post Office as one of the FBI’s most wanted, so you should be good to go.

We welcome honest and thoughtful debate here. Sometime we have disagreements, but such is life, we move on and agree to disagree.

Look forward to your posts.

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SueInCa
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Welcome Patriot, you have all the right ideas. Maybe someday I will post my own pic. I am shy about that kind of thing, not photogenic, you know?

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bito
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Sue, I am beyond photogenic. 🙂

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BigDogMom
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BigDogMom

So am I, but my dogs aren’t!

Leaving now to try to get my AV up…it’ll probably show up in the middle of someones post…tech wizard I am not.

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Chernynkaya
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Welcome to my world. This morning, AdLib rescued me.

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nellie
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Welcome, TRP. There are no trolls here. Anyone who tries to be a troll will find his/her posts on probation.

I’m looking forward to your comments.

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Chernynkaya
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Hi Nellie– help!

I just failed at uploading a photo to my post. I uploaded it smack in the middle of the text. Can you save me from humiliation? either way, thank you!

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nellie
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I’ll take a look.

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AdLib
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I’ve fixed it, all is cool but thanks nellie!

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Chernynkaya
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You Rock! Thank you!

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KevenSeven
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Look to step four of the instructions.

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Chernynkaya
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Got it–thanks K7.Maybe next time I’ll read it through to the end. (hehe)

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SueInCa
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I did the same this morning about editing my post, then found the answer. It happens to the best of us.

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HITO
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HITO

Welcome RarestPatriot.

Owning your words and no room for bullshit here are the best rules they have.

You should be very happy here. I am.

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Chernynkaya
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Me too!!! Did ANYONE take a valium today?

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HITO
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HITO

No no…I got alot of Xmas decorating done, and both of the kids actually went out and shovelled the deck and front walkway after I made a sad face. (Herniated discs plague me).

Guilt works, said the lapsed Catholic.

Glad you are happy here Cher. Don’t ever leave.

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Chernynkaya
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No need to explain about guilt–I am the typical Jewish mother (21st century version).

The other night my husband (who is Chinese) pointed this out to me. He was in bed watching TV. When I got in I wanted to change the channel, but before I did I said, “Do you want to keep watching your show, or do you want to get up tired in the morning?”

He started laughing real hard and I didn’t get why. When he stopped laughing long enough to tell me, he said, “Why didn’t you just say you want to change the channel?” Old habits die hard.

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SeeknDestroy
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SeeknDestroy
bito
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Hey, didn’t I see you at the 7-11 last night? 😆
Thank you for your thoughts. This place gets better an better.

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TheRarestPatriot
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Was that YOU at 7-11? And what were YOU doing out so late?….LOL~
Thanks for the welcome.

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bito
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My pleasure, Sir.
If it was past 9:00 I was sleep walking.

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Corgi Lover
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Solomons Devotion: Your claim you came here to get away from four stalkers is a lie. It was you posting stuff from here on HP the other day, and you know that HITO, Seek, Dey, and myself are here. Your fixation is unacceptable.

adlib, this one is bad news. Ever hear of Brown, ect?

I’m going black until this is done.

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AdLib
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K7 is right on the money. Everyone is welcome to join here as long as they show respect to all members and the site.

With HuffPo being the pressure cooker that it is, many of us, including me, have crossed the hostility line over there in a way we are hardly proud of.

For those who want to leave that HuffPoo behind, they are welcome here, especially reasonable Republicans who really want to discuss and debate issues respectfully.

For anyone who wants to bring the muck and troll behavior here from HuffPo, they will not be here for long.

There is an open door here for everyone but a zero tolerance for disruptive or hostile behavior and if there is any question on this, the rules here will be swiftly and firmly enforced.

On the other hand, I do hope that our members are comfortable and confident as to what this site is and what it stands for…and against.

I guarantee that the confidence of our members will always be proven justified.

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solomons devotion

Hi Adlib,

I promise to behave myself on this site. Huffington post can bring out the worst in poeple with the constant pejoratives and personal attacks.I am hoping that this place will be a nice change of pace. I am looking forward to having civil and truthful conversations with you all.

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AdLib
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I agree that the environment at HuffPo can whip up some pretty unacceptable behavior in even the most decent people.

At this site, it’s an opportunity for a fresh start and a place to have thoughtful debates and discussion between people of similar or opposing POVs, without the hostility and personal attacks.

How we differ from HuffPo in one of many ways is that respect for all other members and this site is a primary rule.

Fortunately or unfortunately, we’ve been through the wars, we can recognize baiting, harassment, hostility and intentional disruption of the site or threads very swiftly, none of those actions will be tolerated and any members practicing any of those will lose the opportunity to enjoy the freedom of having satisfying conversations about issues that really matter to them.

I would add that once someone is a member here, it is expected that they would be as respectful to their fellow members elsewhere as they would be here.

Welcome to The Planet, I hope the madness of HuffPo is left at the doorstep by all and as our community grows, people of all perspectives come to appreciate the ability to openly discuss their POVs in an adult and thoughtful way.

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bito
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AdLib, It was not a very good start this morning on sincerity from the new member.

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solomons devotion
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solomons devotion

Old habits die hard. I am a working progress and I promise to be less snark in the future.

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bito
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As AdLib said the proof is in the pudding. Involve yourself in a discussion with a civil POV.

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SueInCa
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Never mind Adlib, i figured it out. Sorry for the question prior to trying……….

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SueInCa
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OT AdLib
I wrote the piece I sent you an email on but the title is a number on the sidebar. I know why but wonder is their any way to go back and correct the problem myself?

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KevenSeven
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Shit, I have crossed the hostility line HERE, thought better of it, and am now a productive citizen of the planet.

See? Reform is possible!

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KarateKid
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You mean there’s hope for me, K? I’m trying, and have substantially reduced my flames to the righties but sometimes it’s too tempting. But, that’s my New Year’s Resolution. I have found it more useful to obliquely insult them instead of name calling. Pray for me.

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Chernynkaya
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I’ll pray you stay!

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KevenSeven
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Brother, you can flame me any fucking time you want, and right here, I don’t mind.

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HITO
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HITO

Agreed, Monk. I believe he came here to engage us.

I will stand down with you.

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KevenSeven
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HITO, what is the point of that?

We are not going to ban people for infractions on other sites, and that is how that is.

Stand and deliver. Play out the rope. If he fashions a noose, it will not go around your neck, I promise.

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HITO
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HITO

I will not engage with Solomon aka BlueVoterOnly aka Brown.

I have seen what harm he can do.

That, is my point and my choice.

I could care less about what he fashions, but I do find it interesting that you feel compelled to promise it shall not encircle my neck.

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KevenSeven
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Don’t engage with him, that is fine.

If you did not understand the metaphor:

Whatever evil plans he may contrive will only hurt him, not you.

I read you to say that you were not going to post here at all if he was allowed to post here. For anyone who actually sees things that way, I say, you have let the troll win.

That was my point.

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solomons devotion
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solomons devotion

BlueVoteronly is not me. Can we not act like grown ups on this site? You are as guilty for the actions that got out of hand as much as I am.

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KevenSeven
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OK. I think we have heard enough about how you people don’t like each other. We get the message.

You got something you want to talk about, besides your frictions with other people who post here?

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KevenSeven
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Thanks. I got all the friends I can keep up with.

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solomons devotion
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solomons devotion

I love what you and others have done here. You have the potential to rival Other big web sites.

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escribacat
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I am sure that is true, Hito. I tried to email you but got an error. It was an old email you had posted somewhere before. With your permission, maybe Monk or Pepe can give me yours.

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HITO
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HITO

[email protected]

Look forward to it Cat.

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KevenSeven
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Ah ah ah!

Now just a minute. You may do as you please. But the rule is that until a blogger proves themselves, HERE, to be a creep, then they get to participate.

Assuming that SD is going to be a creep, then he or she is going to be shown the door. But nobody gets shived without mal-behaving HERE.

I risk paraphrasing AdLib: SD is what SD is, and if that is obnoxious and disruptive, then SD will experience the consequences.

You are under no obligation to post here while SD does, but I don’t think any of us has a black-ball of other bloggers. I don’t think that even if the four of the founders detested a particular blogger, that we would black-ball him without allowing at least one un-acceptable post.

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SeeknDestroy
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SeeknDestroy
Corgi Lover
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Do I need to remind you how you greeted one of my friends when they first came over here?

Never take that tone with me. I heard it once before and didn’t like it, and I don’t need it now.

I didn’t say to blackball him, I just said I won’t chose to be here.

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KevenSeven
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Now don’t get defensive. I was responding to your call to AdLib to cut him off, otherwise you would not participate.

I made a perfectly reasonable point to you.

As for HITO, she and I have kissed and make up. Put it in the past that is my advice.

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Ramirez
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Ramirez

Good afternoon, PlanetPOVers.

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SeeknDestroy
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SeeknDestroy

Oh great.
~~~smile~~~
Hey Ramirez……………

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BigDogMom
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BigDogMom

Welcome to the Planet Ramirez…

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KarateKid
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Well, look who’s here. Welcome, Rami. I hope the environment here will lead to some interesting discussions. We’re willing to let bygones be bygones; I even invited AC and am really trying to get along with her better, but it will ultimately take two. The same applies to you, from me. I never considered you, AC or flossy to be trolls, though some don’t agree with my feelings.

Maybe we can just start over, without all the other crap that has pervaded HP. Are you game?

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KevenSeven
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You don’t flatter Rami by lumping him in with Flossy or AC, neither of whom I would welcome here. I detest both of them.

Rami can be a flaming pain in the ass, but he will be civil here, I am nearly sure.

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boomer1949
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Afternoon Ramierz — welcome!

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kesmarn
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Welcome, Ramirez!

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escribacat
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Aha. The famous Ramirez! Welcome.

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KevenSeven
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Hey, Rami, you occasional-pain-in-the-ass.

If you want to play, come aboard.

It is not required that you be perfectly honest in your debate style, and I certainly appreciate your willingness to use your moniker. I anticipate plenty of disingenuous argument from you, should you participate. But I know that you can keep it civil, which is the price of playing here.

You know that I like a vigorous give and take. I for one have no issues with your posting here. Observe the rules, they are not complex.

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KevenSeven
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AdLib
Admin

Good afternoon and welcome to The Planet, Ramirez.

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Ramirez
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Ramirez

Thank you, Ad Lib. This website is technically stunning, and I respect what you’ve done here. Thank you for permitting me to join.

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bito
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Monk, I was wonder the some thing. Interesting comments were left by Sol.

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KevenSeven
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Man. I’d kill to read those. I cannot find his profile. What thread was all that on?

And don’t worry about SD. If he is a pain, AdLib will have no more difficulty with him than with flicking a speck of dandruff my shoulder.

Although it is usually too dark in the bar to see the dandruff….

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solomons devotion
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solomons devotion

I would hate to be the one that inspired such an article. Is this place really open and free for discussions?

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KevenSeven
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Bring with you the courage of your convictions and make a coherent argument, and all will be well.

We are not perfectly free of snark, but there is a very low threshold where that is considered unwelcome snottiness. One quickly learns the difference.

You will be fine if your comments make even just a lick of sense.

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nellie
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For discussion, yes. For baiting, no.

Feel free to join in on any thread with a comment. And welcome!

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Corgi Lover
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Taking things at face value. Why we get caught by trolls and others.

People often want to hear what they deep down need to find in their own lives. That is why it is easy to fool them. Some trolls are smart enough to present what you feel comfortable with and make you think they are witty and clever, all the time that they are slowly disemboweling you. That is talent.

It

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KarateKid
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Well, FM, as one of males you “netted” I’ll tell you this. I dont’ play games, I am who I am and KK is the only sock I have ever had. I deal with each person on a one to one basis. If you playact as a woman, I deal with that character one on one, in isolation to FM or any other sock you use. If you want to play a game and get your kicks that way, by all means, do so. If you are friendly with 3 out of 4 socks, I deal with each of your characters on a friendly basis, and if the fourth is hostile, I deal with it differently. I can’t keep up with the sock changes and that’s the only way I can deal with it. So, if you feel you pulled one over on me, so be it.

Brownie did the same thing, so did Seek, dey, HITO, LiberalRayne, and a bunch of others.

We all have different relationships with each other. For instance, I have had no issues with Brownie, it has always been on a friendly basis. I stayed out of the brouhaha with dey, HITO and Seek, as I am on friendly basis with each of the protagonists.

The same applies with AC. I don’t think it’s very open minded of any of you to say you’re going to leave if a certain someone posts here, but that is your feeling and as I said your experience with certain individuals is a different one, and I respect that.

But this site won’t grow in stature if we turn it into a clique, which I’ve heard the HP crowd referred to. If people are not allowed to post because of what happened at HP, then this site will be manned by a few and there won’t be much incentive to come here.

Therefore, I agree with Keven and AdLib. For them to do otherwise, PlanetPOV will not only not live up to its charter, it will be no better than Malkin.

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boomer1949
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I don’t look like Maggie Simpson either — but I try to treat everyone else the way I would like to be treated. Being disrespectful or disingenuous? Neither is at the top of my list.

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AdLib
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First, I think your description of AC and the way some male progressives have dealt with her is very clever and on the money.

However, I strongly disagree with your closing ultimatum. You have just laid out a road map, even and invitation for AC to chase you off from The Planet.

If I was AC and I read your comment, to mess with you and The Planet, the first thing I would do is sign up and post, “Hi everyone!”.

I approach this from the other direction. Anyone who wants to join here can but they must show respect to all other members and the site.

If someone joins who you think would not honor that then they will do themselves in quickly.

I don’t think any of us should cede that kind of power and influence over us to any troll.

This is a place for thoughtful discussion, those seeking to disrupt that will quickly be shown the door.

The adults are at the controls here.

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escribacat
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I think we’re all in agreement here — it’s just that most of us don’t believe the required behavior is possible from that one.

I actually got into a discussion with a conservative poster on HP yesterday. Some of us were talking about PPOV and he jumped in and said “Am I invited?” Someone else said it probably wasn’t his cup of tea. I said if he wanted to have discussions instead of pissing matches and insults, then he was welcome. He replied and said that’s what he was looking for. But I haven’t seen him here yet.

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KarateKid
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I was the one trying to get LTTL to come here.

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Hopeington
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KK, It’s late, no one’s around, I was looking at past posts, so I thought I’d say…
I saw the coded message you left for LTTL last week and decided to come over here. Thanks, I went back there a couple days ago and suggested he listen to you…still haven’t seen him.
I think some folks like the “social” scene and want to fight with trolls, and until there’s more people to converse with here, most will stay behind.
I’m not particularly talking about LTTL, I think he’s brilliant.
I just wanted to thank you, I thought I was getting weird and paranoid that the Queen AH was pulling a fast one on us and everything this year has just gone down hill, half of what I said was scrubbed unless it was some “witty” or snark remark, after a while I just quit saying much….so glad to be here, I’ve yet to unplug my profile over there, but I haven’t logged in since the day they let LTTL back in….I can’t thank you enough…..

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KarateKid
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I saw that one, cat.

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AdLib
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The thing is, The Planet is open to anyone to join. It’s a slippery slope to start picking and choosing who can or can’t join or act respectfully based on how they’ve behaved at HuffPo.

It’s not our job to follow all the conflicts on another site and restrict membership based on that.

As I said. people will fit in with being a respectful member of this community or they won’t. If they don’t they’ll have to find another place to blog.

It’s a fait d’accompli that will sort itself out and nothing to be concerned about.

Glad you invited that blogger, be happy to have thoughtful Republicans here to debate and even find common ground with them.

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Chernynkaya
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I agree with that. I have behaved pretty badly myself on occasion there–insulting when I felt insulted, joining in a sort of group attack on someone particularly obnoxious. I am never proud of that. I would hate to think that based solely on those comments I would be rejected here or anywhere. Some people deserve a chance.But a few –a very few–are such serial offenders, they are beyond hope.

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KevenSeven
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You gotta tell me what thread all this was on.

I can use the laugh.

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bito
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K7, they were mostly on this thread. maybe about 6. and one on FeedUp’s.

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escribacat
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KevenSeven
Member

No, not that. I was looking for the troll comments that Pepe was referencing.

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nellie
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Thanks, AdLib. I come here to leave all the HP nonsense at HP. PPOV should be a refuge for anyone who wants to have meaningful exchange — no matter who they are. At least that’s my take.

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AdLib
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Exactly. And though I share Monk’s sentiment about not allowing anyone to come here and track HuffPoo all over the floor, I also will stand strongly for The Planet to be a site open to all who agree to act respectfully.

For example, how refreshing it will be to have Republicans here who can thoughtfully present their POVs and debate them without conversations degrading into personal insults.

HuffPo has made and encouraged many to act horribly. Here, everyone will have the opportunity to be a respectful member of the community.

It’s up to them to leave HuffPo behind or be forced to return there.

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KevenSeven
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Yawn. AC here? Who bloody cares? She is such a trifle I’d enjoy twitting her.

She’d be gone in a week.

Face it. Trolls will come. That is what they do. And they will find out that their tripe does not cut it here.

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SueInCa
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I think you are right, K7. If trolls want to come here, based on their outting on HP, it won’t be long to determine who is serious and who wants to disrupt. I am not too fond of AC but it is more the attention ploys with no substance to posts that are annoying.

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SueInCa
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I saw that tonight and I did not say anything, but as far as I am concerned, she is not welcome here

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Kalima
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There is no need for talk of leaving FM, I think that we have all made our feelings on this matter, perfectly clear.

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deygirl
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Just in case it isn’t…..That race-baiting, cross-dressing, talking point-spewing pile of republican should be left to continue polluting the other site.

In my humble opinion.

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SeeknDestroy
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SeeknDestroy
Kalima
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SueInCa
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Tell us how you really feel lol. I agree, while some may find her interesting, I see her as an attention seeker who will do anything to get the attention she craves. On the other hand, if she ever grows up, I might think different. The race baiting will never stand with me

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SueInCa
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I never doubted the paid part ever. Generally she answers respectively to me, but I still do not trust her, she is a mixed up kid looking for some meaning in her life.

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deygirl
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She’s respectful to you? All I ever get is the “you’re jealous of me because of my undeniable beauty” bullshit.

Yeah. That’s it.

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SeeknDestroy
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SeeknDestroy

Pepe…(Hello to one and all again)

I honestly believe there are a few posters on HP , one in particular(you know of whom I speak) who have some mild to serious mental health issues.
The one of whom I speak has been seriously bi-polar(speculation) for the last month or so. This certain poster has attacked me and my friends, as well as others with no provocation at all.They meltdown, then they act remorseful, apologize, then disappear, all the time claiming to be the victim. I’d like to completely ignore this one, but they keep at it, and I am not a terribly patient man. I can only tolerate so much.
This poster also became a troll for a period of time before being outed. Sounds perfectly healthy, not.
BTW, I believe some of these posters have a running game to see how many liberals they can get suspended and banned. Pure speculation on my part, but some have bragged at how they got people banned, and 1 of them is a supposed liberal. Ponderous.

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solomons devotion
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solomons devotion

Huffington Post is starting to get like the old k corral. I am looking for a place I can settle down and enjoy life.

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bito
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Welcome to PPOV, Sol, You will find this a warm and nice home. Spirited and thoughtful discussions; where the adults stay.

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kalicowgirl
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kalicowgirl

I’m not meaning to respond to SeeknDestroy, but I’m a new newbie and can’t figure out how to respond directly to someone’s blog. Anyway, bonsoir! It is getting disheartening on HP. I’ve had my more thoughtful posts not go through, while insults abound on the same thread. I’ve already removed myself once out of frustration over that, and also because I felt I was spending too much time there in the midst of some projects. Procrastination, not Kali, is my real name.

The moderation is disheartening, and the main threads are getting more petty and contentious. It’s not just the trolls, but some of the progressives. For instance, last week I wrote “He has a mistress” as a joke in response to another poster with my statement getting flipped up from where I had submitted it. I ended up being told I had two assholes by a couple of may I say, alpha dogs. Come to find out, it was taken out of context that I was talking about the president, even though it didn’t land by any direct references to him. Don’t know how much longer I’ll be sticking around HP. I don’t know if I’ll stick it out again and for how long with all the sensationalism, inconsistent monitoring, and fighting.

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deygirl
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Hey Kali–

Welcome! Glad to know that you are still to be found, and that you can also be found here!

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kalicowgirl
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kalicowgirl

Hi-Good to see you here.

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AdLib
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A warm welcome to The Planet, kalicowgirl!

If you’re interested, we’ve compiled a number of insightful and revealing articles here about HuffPo and its decline from Western Civilization.

You can browse through them here: http://planetpov.com/category/news-and-politics/the-media/huffington_post/

No trolls, cliques or snipers on The Planet, this is the adult’s table of blogging.

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KevenSeven
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Well, sort of. There is the occasional ankle biting if someone expresses a poorly constructed argument.

But all in good humor! Think thru your comments and stand by them, that is my advice!

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kesmarn
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Let me add a belated but sincere welcome, kali!

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escribacat
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Hey kali…your story rings a bell. I think I saw that whole thing. That was weird. Anyway, welcome! There is definitely some PHSD (post huffy stress disorder) venting that goes on here and also some major quality of people and content. And you can learn how to spell normally again!!

EDIT: I meant to say, to respond directly, scroll to the bottom, you will see the Comment window.

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kalicowgirl
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kalicowgirl

Thanks. I took note on HP of how consistently respectful you are with the comments.

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HITO
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HITO

Welcome to the Planet Kalicowgirl.

You will enjoy your experience here by comparison to hell.

They jump your shit over there, regardless if they are correct.

Welcome my queen.

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kalicowgirl
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kalicowgirl

Thank you, m’lady.

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Corgi Lover
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Well, I’ve spilled the sack of beans. Let’s just see how the evening progresses. Fuck them if they can’t take a joke.

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javaz
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Hey Monk!

Did you get rain and winds yesterday?
Saw on the news that some tree in Anthem lost its top.

We had rain all afternoon and into the evening, but it stopped about 7:00 or so, and luckily, we didn’t get those ferocious winds.

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Corgi Lover
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Cold, windy, rainy, dark and depressing. Yes, that was yesterday. I didn’t see the story, but I’ve sworn off local news.

Got the John McCain anti-healthcare reform robo call today. From a man who’s been on public provided healthcare since the moment he became a zygote, he has a lot of gall.

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bito
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Monk, That is one thing that ticks me off about him. His nappies were khaki.

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HITO
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HITO

Huh?

You spilled something?

You should always have a napkin in your lap, silly.

I know not what you refer to my friend.

And I’m sure no one else does.

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kalicowgirl
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kalicowgirl

Thanks to the welcomes below!

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KarateKid
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Well, you won’t find that here, kalicowgirl. I’ve experienced the same intolerance from alleged Progressives, too. I plan on confronting some of them if I see it happening.

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javaz
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Welcome to Planet POV, kalicowgirl!

Welcome to freedom from pending, freedom from scrubbing and freedom of speech!

To reply to an article on PPOV, scroll through the comments to the end and at the bottom is the reply box.

I look forward to reading more of your comments!

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Kalima
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Welcome to the Planet kalicowgirl. Go to the bottom of the page, you will find a comment box there, enter your comment and submit.

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Chernynkaya
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Ponderous is right.

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KarateKid
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Greetz, Seek. I know who you’re referring to, it’s too bad what has happened.

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KarateKid
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AdLib, and the others:

I hope you don’t mind, but I’m working on getting Andrea Castillo to post here. I think people with opposing viewpoints should be allowed to post here, otherwise it turns too partisan and into a group hug. The key is to have discussions in a civil manner and there is a good back and forth. You can even learn something, maybe not agree, but at least respect the other person’s viewpoint.

We all have a diverse background with varying life experiences. That is why we are who we are.

I don’t go for the personal attacks on her. I’ve been rough on her mainly for her youth and inexperience, but I’ve never thought of her as a troll.

She has a lot of spunk to keep coming back after all the really hurtful things people say about her. We speak here about the righties, but some on the left can be just as narrow minded.

If we are really Progressives, we should be big enough people to invite people who have other points of view. I have never seen her call anyone names or get into personal insults.

I like to have a good discussion and that’s why I agreed to participate in the debate on healthcare reform. Wouldn’t you all agree that it was filled with sparks, and though I did not participate, I was told that the fur was flying afterward.

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solomons devotion
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solomons devotion

Andrea is a smart and beautiful girl that knows how to have a good time.I love Andrea’s one liners dearly. I believe she would bring a lot more traffic to this site if you managed to talk her into joining.

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bito
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KK, I believe she has already posted here under a different name.

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KarateKid
Member

Really? I guess anyone can do that, no?

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escribacat
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I used to think she was okay too, but then I saw some really vile stuff from her and her other sock, RonPaulWasRight. Last week as AC she posted a link to a cartoon with a gameshow board with the letters N _ G G E R. She apparently thought it was pretty funny. I didn’t. I also wasn’t impressed with her comment: “Who gives a crap about Afghani women?” She also posted an extremely vicious response when dey posted a sincere and heartfelt apology to the board in general. I couldn’t believe the reply AC made to that. I have no respect for her whatsoever, and I don’t give a shit if she reads this or not.

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KarateKid
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cat, someone saw a civil post I made to her and unfanned me. What a riot, no? Boo hoo. LOL.

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nellie
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Some people will unfan you for anything they disagree with. I think I was saying that no one should have been able to throw a shoe at GW, and I lost 2 fans.

I hate that fanning business. Such a distraction. 😡

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escribacat
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That’s funny. I’ve been unfanned a few times. A couple of them I figured out who the person was but I had no idea why they unfanned me. Then later on they fanned me again. Maybe it’s kind of like those temporary bans.

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Kalima
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I haven’t been unfanned at HP unless someone was banned and their profile was deleted, but I have been unfriended at Digg, do I win any consolation prize?

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solomons devotion
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solomons devotion

Joe the nerd?

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escribacat
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The same one who brings such joy and happiness to all — our colorful friend?

EDIT: Actually, I’ve unfanned some people too. I got mad one night and unfanned two or three people. I felt stupid later.

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SueInCa
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It was not me either. I figure everyone has the right to be civil to whomever they want.

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escribacat
Member

LOL. Well, I’m not going to unfan you unless you really make me maaaaddd.

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javaz
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Thank you and agree with you 100%.

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kesmarn
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I seriously doubt that she would accept the invitation, KK. This doesn’t seem to be her milieu. I have no problem with your good intentions in asking, but I think if she wanted to be here, she would be. If she shows up, I have no doubt she’ll be treated respectfully, though.

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KarateKid
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Well, she did turn me down, stating she didn’t want to crash anyone’s party, so it is probably a moot question. It just strikes me as non Progressive for us to hold grudges from another site. Maybe if everyone were respectful, she would respond in kind. I’d like to think this site is above the HP rabble. Don’t we have a moderator here?

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javaz
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Some of us came here to get away from certain types of posters.
There are some things certain posters type that are unforgivable, especially when the poster refuses to apologize or refuses to acknowledge that their comments were racist.

Your intentions are good, KK, but you did ask, and some of us have answered truthfully.

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solomons devotion
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solomons devotion

I came here to get away from 4 stalkers that was following me around. I hope they do not find me here.

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kesmarn
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Welcome, Solomon! We’ll pull down the shades and bar the door! :o)

Don’t mean to take your concerns lightly, however. The Planet really is a stalker-free environment.

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kesmarn
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Pepe, I may have spoken too soon!

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KarateKid
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Well, as you can see right above, it is probably a moot question. There’s plenty of disagreement within the ranks, I suppose, as evidenced by that first debate. I only wish Chernynkaya was here that night, I would have had some help because we don’t agree with the standard Progressive stance on healthcare reform.

I do plan to speak my mind and won’t be intimidated by what the prevailing group train of thought is.

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Kalima
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“I do plan to speak my mind and won

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KarateKid
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Good. I don’t want strife, but civil disagreements can be a learning experience. What I don’t want is a perpetual group hug on everything. That gets boring. But I won’t be a contrarian just for the sake of it, either. That’s dumb.

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javaz
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That’s what I love about PPOV!
Is that we can disagree!

I disagree with the cap and trade, and have been able to post my reasons with links here and it was all good!

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Chernynkaya
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Please don’t do that KK! It is not that she is a self-described “libertarian/anarchist”– that position is kind of fascinating. It is that she is very divisive and I have yet to read any substance from her. She is the queen of lame snark, and her smug self-obsession is–to me –a pathology.She doesn’t have the intellectual chops and IMHO a light-weight 22 year old.

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KarateKid
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Well, I don’t disagree with that, but we’ve had a couple of civil conversations AWAY from the main or where everyone is. I get the feeling she’s playing a game of being the contrarian almost as a protest at the left dominated comment section. Besides, if she does, can’t she just be, well, banned?

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solomons devotion
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solomons devotion

She is playing the contrarian. I have a good source that says she is actually a progressive that takes differing opinions due to her disdain for echo chambers.

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Kalima
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I’ve addressed the banning question below.

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KarateKid
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I saw it. Thanks.

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Kalima
Admin

You are welcome.

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Kalima
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After some of the things she has written I’m not all that sure it is such a great idea. Her racist comments would be sure to start major conflicts here, a thing we have talked about and tried to avoid since the site was launched. Conflicts, hate speech and troll bashing belong to Huff in my opinion.

People with opposing viewpoints are welcome here, people looking to stir the pot are not.

Oh and before I forget, there are many opposing views here if you care to look through the posts when you have the time.

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KarateKid
Member

I’ve not seen her do that. I’ve also seen a lot of it from the left, too.

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Kalima
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Many others have and it wasn’t pretty. Don’t be fooled into believing that those who claim to be on the left, are actually Liberals, Progressive or in fact Dems. Some people just love to play mind games, I’ve seen them all.

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KarateKid
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If she does do that, can’t she be escorted out of the site?

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Kalima
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We don’t ban unless it’s a last resort. The only person with the authority to ban is AdLib. Do we really want him to have to deal with this as well as everything else he does?

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nellie
Member

Andrea is one of our fans on facebook. She knows we’re here.

I don’t mind hearing from anyone who is genuinely interested in communicating. Anyone who can leave instigation at the door is fine with me.

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KarateKid
Member

That’s how I feel.

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Kalima
Admin

My question would be, why is she there?

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KarateKid
Member

That’s a good question. Makes one wonder, no?

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nellie
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Maybe she’s one of HP’s grassroots bloggers. Maybe she’s just interested in the site. Maybe she’ll post here at some point.

It’s hard to say.

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Kalima
Admin

I know nellie and thought that it was a great idea.

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nellie
Member

Kalima, I turned off the fan comments so people would come to the site — and not leave nonsense on facebook! HP’s page is the same way. Barack Obama’s, too.

javaz, all I can say is — wow.

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Kalima
Admin

Maybe she joined thinking that she could comment there but thanks to you, no one can.

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javaz
Member

When a person types to another, telling them they should get on their knees everyday and ask God to make them white, well, that sounds racist to me, whether she was joking or not, or whether she believed it or not.

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javaz
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Thank you, Kalima.
Agree 100%.

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Obama20082012
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I know who it is now Pepe, and that person gives me the creeps big time. That ass must have about 15 socks. I hope you did what you said you were going to do about reporting him. He is way scary.

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bito
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KarateKid
Member

Trolls are sad people with no lives. There were trolls on newsgroups that would make the HP ones seem like wimps. And they can dish it out, but can’t take it. I learned how to use words as a weapon in those newsgroups, dealt with a stalker for 8 years, and he finally got banned, which is quite different than a HP banning where you come back the next day with a different sock.

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escribacat
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KK — The posts on the local news site in Denver are amazing. I swear these people are just taking coffee breaks from lynching minorities and sending anthrax letters to progressive politicians. They are absolutely vile — and obviously uneducated as well.

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KarateKid
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You know, I read the comments on the YouTube clips, the articles’ comment sections, and on other sites and they make HP’s nastiest comments seem mild. I think I’m going to copy and paste some of them and send it in to HP to show them how well behaved and civilized we are. (that’s no joke)

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Khirad
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Yes. For all the people that complain rightfully about HP (which SHOULD hold itself to a higher standard) – TRUST ME – places like local newspapers, Yahoo! Buzz – YouTube, etc. are downright TOXIC and dangerous to your blood pressure and acid reflux. I learned to just give up. YouTube has such idiots though that it can be fun to once in a while just smack someone up.

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KarateKid
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I’ve done that, too. My sock there is HipNip. I haven’t done it in awhile but YouTube is what I would not want to be a part of, so I do believe in having a moderator. HP just goes too far, and treat us like little kids.

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Khirad
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Yes, I know, I was worried this would happen, and try to be measured, not saying anything I wouldn’t say to their faces. I of course fall far short of the mark though.

I’ll miss you Pepe. I would join every one here in jolting, but they’ll have to ban me first. I’m really getting tired of it there, but will be more vocal about it now there.

Unfortunately, it’s not the main that keeps me there. I’m quite addicted to battling the World section trolls.

PS, that troll with the stylized roman-runes reminded me of Nathan Explosion from Dethklok (reference for those under 35). Come to think of it, that would make a good troll slaying av!

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bito
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“I’m a troll, from a deep dark hole,
My belly’s getting thinner,
I need to eat–and goat’s a treat–
So I’ll have you for my dinner.”
🙂

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javaz
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Hey b’ito!

Did you get rain yesterday?

Four Peaks is covered with snow and it’s quite beautiful.

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Khirad
Member

LOTS of wind. Good amount of rain, too – all night. Not about to make up for the sorry monsoons though. A dusting of snow on the highest ridges and more on Mt. Lemmon.

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bito
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Lots of rain and really windy. I don’t see any snow on the Mts. from my shack. I will have to check the local news.

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Obama20082012
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Pepe! Who was the one really weird troll there last night? Last week I did one of my ?Obama? and a troll suggested I spread my ass cheeks and let Obama……well you can figure out the rest! Hey, I am half Greek, but not that part! There is one idiot over there that scares me, and I won’t say who it is here incase he reads this. And is Mika gone? I have not seen her there, I saw someone say that Hume drove her off. I have been called out once or twice from other liberals for not toeing the so called liberal line. It pisses me off, but I let it go, because some of the people there I really like, but it anymore do go, I will be going as well.

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KarateKid
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Yes, Mika is gone, at least for awhile. She and I got into it with Hume and he made fun of her, like she was someone’s little girl. It is an increasingly disturbing trend over there and I’m not gonna give anyone a free pass anymore. Funny, when digital, lornejl and I pushed back, Hume got all ticked off so I know I can get under his skin. He’d better not do it again.

As lorne said, it’s ok to express an opinion, but not ok for mocking a fellow Progressive you don’t agree with.

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KQµårk 死神
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I’m surprised because that does not sound like Hume. I’ve got into it on issues with him but it never got personal.

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nellie
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Maybe the change in the site and the overload of nonsense is getting on his nerves.

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Obama20082012
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I like Hume, but I have noticed a lot of fighting there lately. Funny how the holidays are supposed to make everyone happy, but the opposite seems to happen. I tried to do a positive thing about what we can be thankful for on Thanksgiving, and when I said I was thankful that my mom has survived breast cancer for 21 years, I was accused of bragging! WTF? Some people can find fault with anything.

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boomer1949
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No, it’s just plain ignorance and there is no excuse for it. Amazing how people hide behind the computer screen believing they’re “anonymous” when with a little research…well you know…

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bito
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Wish I could sat that about my mother! That is great news!

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Obama20082012
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I hope your mom is ok!

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bito
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Yep. Like a good Swede she went to Valhalla to rest for the next battle.

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Khirad
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Alright, so I know Hume is an institution, and I’ll be sounding like a lemming, but I’ve never had a problem with him – though I’m naturally more cynical. I think lornejl was overreacting a bit (at least the part I saw), but recently I’ve noticed a little change in Hume, that you guys are talking about.

Honestly, going after Mika would have brought my wrath against him, if that’s what he did though.

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KarateKid
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That’s exactly what he did. I was already arguing with him about Afghanistan when she came into it on my side, and that’s when it happened. Lorne actually stayed out of it except to warn Hume if he kept mocking people.

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boomer1949
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Several months ago, I thought I read something about HS being paid to be there. Is that true?

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nellie
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I never take on Hume unless I’m ready to be conked over the head with a bag full of counterpoints!

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Kalima
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Well said nelli, that is exactly who he is and if people don’t like it, they should try to prove him wrong. He knows his facts and is not shy about hitting people over the head with them.

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nellie
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Hume has been around forever. He’s always been a strong, uncompromising voice there. If you disagree w him, expect to be swatted.

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Kalima
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No it isn’t.

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Obama20082012
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I am glad it’s not just me, I think Hume has changed as well.

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PatsyT
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Is he one of the mods?

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deygirl
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He thinks he’s one of the Gods.

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Obama20082012
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No, he is a commenter over there that has over 1600 fans.

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nellie
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For crying out loud. That’s inexcusable. What kind of sociopaths are they cultivating — who would say something like that?

Disgraceful.

Obama20082012, the news about your mom is wonderful. I lost mine a couple of years ago and the world will never be the same. Praise the skies for her being here with you still. If anyone wants to call it bragging, then brag to your heart’s content.

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Obama20082012
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Thanks Nellie, and that was from a fellow Lib! I was rather hurt, I was hoping I was trying to make people feel better. I will never forget the fear my mom suffered the first several years everytime she felt a new pain or an x-ray was suspicious. It will be 22 years in January. My mom is as tough as nails.

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nellie
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Good for her. And good for you.

Being strong and positive can make other people jealous sometimes. And jealousy can make people mean.

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TanzaniteDiamonds
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Don’t let them “hurt” you, O. That’s just what they want. And, I’m sorry they ever made you feel that way.

I’m completely thrilled to read the good news about your Mom. Hooray, you made my day!

Tanzie

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Obama20082012
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Thanks Tanzie. My mom is now 81, and I know she won’t be around forever, and she might drive me crazy sometimes, but I love her to bits.

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escribacat
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Gawd. Are you serious? Sometimes I think half the posters there are drunk out of their minds.

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Khirad
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Give away for me is typo-slurring. I do that when I’m tired too, though.

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KarateKid
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Typo slurring, that’s funny. I have an iMac with a big screen, but the type size over there, unlike here, makes me miss typos as my eyesight is getting worse. Being 61 is a good thing in a lot of ways, but vision is not one of them.

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Obama20082012
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I have noticed that some seem drunk. I guess some people get off on being mean to others. I know I can be a bitch, and I love to cut down a tr0ll but to be mean, I really have to be pushed.

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nellie
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It’s like there’s a contest to see who can be the nastiest, the most gratuitously offensive. I think a lot of this is paid-for behavior.

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