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AdLib On May - 22 - 2015
Vox Populi, our weekly live chat about the week’s events begins tonight at 7:00pm PDT. Guest hosting tonight is the lovely and clever Kesmarn! A great chat is in store tonight, don’t miss it!
AdLib 7 days ago
Good Friday evening, Planeteers! Welcome to the beginning of the Memorial Day weekend! Fill us in on your plans. (I considered watching a marathon of “19 Kids and Counting” on Netflix, then thought twice.)
kesmarn

7 days ago
Howdy….I will just hang loose until a quorum arrives.
MurphTheSurf3

7 days ago
Hey, Murph! Good to see you. How’s your week been?
kesmarn

7 days ago
Planting, planting and more planting.
MurphTheSurf3

7 days ago
Ah, yes! This would be the time of year for that!
kesmarn

7 days ago
We had some horrid rain storms earlier this month that caused flooding. It put me weeks behind.
MurphTheSurf3

7 days ago
We’ve been pretty fortunate in Ohio. I live in an area that borders a very agricultural section — corn, wheat, soybeans and apples are big crops around here.
kesmarn

7 days ago
So far the balance of rain and sun has been pretty good.
kesmarn

7 days ago
I do 12 one thousand square foot truck gardens and sell my produce to a restaurant supply house. Getting back on schedule is important.
MurphTheSurf3

7 days ago
Is that glenn I see up there? Hey, glenn! How’s everything in Atlanta?
kesmarn

7 days ago
Murph, I can imagine keeping to a schedule would be huge in that business. Are you pretty much organic?
kesmarn

7 days ago
Hey Kes. Just trying to get the VOX “box” positioned on my computer. Ha! The hyprocisy burns with the “19” doesn’t it? Hey Murph!
glenn

7 days ago
Kes….organic and locally grown is how my veggies are advertised.
MurphTheSurf3

7 days ago
Are you getting that right lower corner of the box nailed down okay? LOL! Yes, the Duggars may actually have to get real jobs now. Unbelievable, no?
kesmarn

7 days ago
I control most insect pests with spiders that are then washed off in a bath (the spiders swim to the side and go back out into the wild. I order them by the bag from Indiana.
MurphTheSurf3

7 days ago
Murph–“funny” story for you about organic. In Iran, everything was organic–human organic–if you know what I mean. It was not good when you got behind the “honey wagon” on the roads!
glenn

7 days ago
Glenn…when were you in Iran?
MurphTheSurf3

7 days ago
Murph, that’s amazing! I didn’t know you could order bags of spiders online! I might have to send those to “special” people in the GOP!
kesmarn

7 days ago
Kes….I had never though of a Spidergram for the GOP.
MurphTheSurf3

7 days ago
Murph–We were there from 1976 to 1978. We left in June, 1978. The shah left in Jan., 1979.
glenn

7 days ago
glenn, I was in Taiwan for a while and they fertilized with “night soil” there. Unless veggies were well cooked there was a real possibility of getting amoebic dysentery.
kesmarn

7 days ago
Glenn and Kes…I use natural composts including dried cow manure.
MurphTheSurf3

7 days ago
Kes–We had to use a special wash called Roccal to avoid the “Tehran trots”.
glenn

7 days ago
glenn, I went to a lecture by Reza Aslan a few weeks ago. He said his family left Iran (where he grew up) right around the time Ayatollah Khomeini appeared. Aslan’s (atheist) father listened to him one time and said: “This is bullshit” and took the family out of the country to America.
kesmarn

7 days ago
Murph–But, can’t you just wash cow manure off with water?
glenn

7 days ago
Kes–I have watched several of Aslan’s appearances on TV. I think he is an intelligent, interesting, (not to mention good-looking) man.
glenn

7 days ago
When you drive past farm fields here in Ohio on a summer’s evening sometimes you can still get the aroma of manure-fertilized fields. Not exactly a tourist draw — but it’s the real deal.
kesmarn

7 days ago
Oh glenn, I really fell in love with him at that lecture (along with about 300 other women). He’s SO funny! And of course, smart and compassionate. He is NO fan of ISIS, that’s for sure.
kesmarn

7 days ago
Glenn, the cow manure is mixed in the soil. I use a combo of top soil, compost, and potting soil, with an organic root starter put into pre dug “pots” in my clay heavy soil.
MurphTheSurf3

7 days ago
Kes–In our much younger days, my husband and I used to drive out to the roads they had platted for Port St. Lucie (FL) but hadn’t built on yet. There were still some farms around and sometimes the cows would get loose, so we would pick up dried cow patties to fertilize our lawn. Very aromatic when it rained; but we had the greenest lawn in the neighborhood!
glenn

7 days ago
LOL! I can imagine!
kesmarn

7 days ago
Here in Ohio there’s a huge amount of attention being paid to fertilizers because the nitrate-based ones run off into Lake Erie and feed these big algae blooms that cause the drinking water to become dangerous.
kesmarn

7 days ago
Murph–sounds like a winning combination. Have you always used that mixture? Are you veggies and plants bigger and better?
glenn

7 days ago
Just curious on how you both feel about these GOP charges that the President’s “rudderless” foreign policy is to blame for the rise of ISIS in the ME?
kesmarn

7 days ago
Kes–Quite simply–BS!
glenn

7 days ago
If memory serves me… Dubya negotiated the terms and timing for the troop withdrawal from Iraq. And when Obama offered to keep more troops there longer, Maliki refused to sign on.
kesmarn

7 days ago
Murph–sorry. “Are YOUR veggies….”
glenn

7 days ago
Kes–your memory serves you well. It’s the GOP that likes those made-up memories. But dontcha know that Iraq was stable and Al-Queda was “defeated” when we were there? What is the matter with you?
glenn

7 days ago
Silly me! It was a veritable paradise after “Shock and Awe.” And then Socialist Obama let it all go to hell.
kesmarn

7 days ago
Kes–I know. “Mission Accomplished” you know! Complete with codpiece!
glenn

7 days ago
Rubio is practically announcing that he plans to bomb — well — pretty much everywhere when he becomes President. ‘Cause that’s what Real Men do.
kesmarn

7 days ago
Hello good folks. I hope everyone is well.
Sabreen60

7 days ago
I saw a clip from a Dubya speech to a graduating class today (WHO invited HIM?) and he’s still making lame jokes about how C students can become president. I’d say it didn’t work out too well having a C student like him running the show.
kesmarn

7 days ago
Hey, Sabreen! Good to see you! How’s your Friday?
kesmarn

7 days ago
Kes–Yes, and I think it was Perry who said today that we should use “pre-emptive strikes” so we don’t get attacked. I can’t figure out if these asshats don’t know geography; beause I don’t know how any ME country is going to get bombs here. Yes, I know about 9/11, but that wasn’t a country that executed that plan; it was a group of terrorists.
glenn

7 days ago
Hey Sabreen–how are you?
glenn

7 days ago
Kes–didn’t finish my sentence–they either don’t know geography, or don’t care; let’s just bomb away!
glenn

7 days ago
Exactly, glenn! After all this time, they still don’t get it. There’s not a “place” where fundie-Islamic extremism “lives” that you can bomb and make the problem go away.
kesmarn

7 days ago
We’re fighting an idea.
kesmarn

7 days ago
Kes–fighting an idea both here in the US and in the ME. And in the ME, IMO, their idea is that we are bullies. Problem is they’re right!
glenn

7 days ago
Hey kes, glenn Murph – I’m okay. Just been on and off this darn computer most of the day. I will pay the price tomorrow for not getting anything done today.
Sabreen60

7 days ago
Glenn-back from a phone call….I have been learning and adapting as I go. I took gardening up for a hobby but it has become a part time job and a good one.
MurphTheSurf3

7 days ago
Sabreen–My philosophy since I retired is “there’s always tomorrow to do chores”. Finally cleaned my house today after about three weeks. I do clean the bathrooms, but the dusting and mopping can always wait for another day.
glenn

7 days ago
Yes! Aslan was saying that this extremism exists in every major religion. Including Christianity, Hinduism, Judaism, etc. He said they all view it as a “cosmic struggle between the forces of good and evil” (With all of them on “God’s side”) and that’s what we’re battling.
kesmarn

7 days ago
I was reading comments and remembered this article I read about bird flu and eggs. http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/05/22/us-health-birdflu-egg-shortages-idUSKBN0O70AY20150522?utm_source=twitter This is scary. Eggs are used in vaccines for measles and mumps, also.
Sabreen60

7 days ago
Sabreen, same here — computer and phone today. (4 hours on the blasted phone!)
kesmarn

7 days ago
Wow. I don’t know why my link looks crazy?
Sabreen60

7 days ago
Sabreen–we also had to use Roccal on the eggs in Iran, because they weren’t cleaned before they went to market. In fact, you had to be very careful even handling them.
glenn

7 days ago
It’s looking OK here, Sabreen. I’ve been following this bird flu thing too. It’s really going to raise food prices, I’m afraid…
kesmarn

7 days ago
Kes–if food prices go up, it will all be President Obama’s fault, you know!
glenn

7 days ago
Regarding the commentary about ISIS…let’s not forget that the GOP candidates are now in a huge scrammble to get enough polling pull to get on the stage in the Fox and CNN debates….so outrageous statements will abound.
MurphTheSurf3

7 days ago
glenn, I hear you. People use to say my floors looked like you could eat off them. I must have been crazy. Why would anyone want to eat off floors.
Sabreen60

7 days ago
Evening everyone. Who is Mr. Roarke tonight?
funksands

7 days ago
Hi funk.
MurphTheSurf3

7 days ago
You mean Ayn’s Mr. Roark, funk? NOT ME!!
kesmarn

7 days ago
Hey Murph
funksands

7 days ago
No, our host Mr. Roarke. Fantasy Island
funksands

7 days ago
Murph–as many people have already pointed out–just when you think the gop can’t get any lower or crazier, they lower the bar another notch. As you say, it ought to be interesting!
glenn

7 days ago
Have you selected the ten finalist for the GOP debates in that smoke-filled room, Funk?
kesmarn

7 days ago
Funk…shortly after your “LOL” at Y. yesterday Barry pull down his fiction re. Obama EO’s
MurphTheSurf3

7 days ago
Hi Funk–how are you? What role does Mr. Roarke play?
glenn

7 days ago
Hiya Funk!
Sabreen60

7 days ago
Ohhhh! THAT Mr. Roarke. Not me again. I’m just the person who says: “De plane! De plane!
kesmarn

7 days ago
Not yet, but we’re thinking that a 22 round cage match would settle things quickly
funksands

7 days ago
Ricardo Montalban?
funksands

7 days ago
Funk–can one type with an accent?
glenn

7 days ago
Murph, there are some real interesting folks over there.
funksands

7 days ago
Corinthian Leather! (Nope, no accent there…)
kesmarn

7 days ago
Funk, there are….and the debate is pretty lively.
MurphTheSurf3

7 days ago
Ahf corse ze accents iz eesy
funksands

7 days ago
Murph–can you explain your comment about Barry?
glenn

7 days ago
Kes, I saw you accent in my mind. Well done
funksands

7 days ago
Ah, good! It worked then.
kesmarn

7 days ago
Glenn…Funk and I were speaking of a big debate on another website where a right wing cut and paste post blew up on the poster.
MurphTheSurf3

7 days ago
Funk–what kind of smoke is in that room?
glenn

7 days ago
The good kind
funksands

7 days ago
The happy kind.
kesmarn

7 days ago
Murph–oh good. I like to see the rwnj people get their “just desserts”.
glenn

7 days ago
I’m feeling a little sleepy, so don’t be alarmed if i conk out in mid-sentence. Hiked Mt. Si today, then followed up that grueling hike with McDonalds and a pizza. Gak!
funksands

7 days ago
BRB
Sabreen60

7 days ago
BRB
MurphTheSurf3

7 days ago
Kes and Funk–I once went to an Eagles concert and got high from all the MJ smoke in the place and I never smoked a joint! This was many years ago, when you could still smoke indoors.
glenn

7 days ago
LOL is really the only comment that most RWNJ posts deserve. Wasting ANY energy refuting a cut and paste that’s been posted on 1,000 mouth-breather websites is pointless.
funksands

7 days ago
Glenn, that was smart shopping!
funksands

7 days ago
Speaking of blowing up. Did anyone see the story this week of the SC guy who refused to sign up for Obamacare and then discovered that he needed a $30000 eye operation to keep from going blind? Initially he was blaming the Prez. But when he set up a Gofundme page and ONLY liberals contributed he had a come-to-Jesus moment and switched parties.
kesmarn

7 days ago
Kes? That sounds almost too good to be true.
funksands

7 days ago
Its awesome! But I’m too cynical I guess.
funksands

7 days ago
Truth, funk. Now he want to appear on the Rachel Maddow Show to urge people to sign up. LOL!
kesmarn

7 days ago
I can get the link to his Gofundme page, because I was one of those bleeding hearts who actually contributed to his cause!
kesmarn

7 days ago
Kes–saw that story. I even went to his gofundme page to read some of the comments. Some of them were spot on. One guy told him if he (the poster) could figure out to send bootsraps through email; he’d send him some.
glenn

7 days ago
The fact that there is such a thing as a $30K eye operation is the real problem, not this man’s obstinance
funksands

7 days ago
I saw that, glenn! Too funny.
kesmarn

7 days ago
You realize he just turned around and bought a 1,000 Ann Coulter books with that money
funksands

7 days ago
Glenn
funksands

7 days ago
Well, there is that too funk. And the fact that SC refused to expand Medicaid, which would have helped him
kesmarn

7 days ago
The comments on his page are awesome. I’ll try to get the link. Hold on.
kesmarn

7 days ago
Kes–When I read about this guy’s “change of heart”, it reminded me of Joe the Plumber. I hope the left doesn’t make an “idol” out of Louis the Loser. I mean, I feel sorry for him, but he is just like all the other Obama haters out there. He didn’t have any facts, just went on pure spite and misinformation. SMH
glenn

7 days ago
Kes – I read that story. Bleeding heart liberals
Sabreen60

7 days ago
http://www.gofundme.com/s78e9w?utm_source=internal&utm_medium=email&utm_content=cta_button&utm_campaign=upd_n
Click here to support Need help to save my eye sight by Luis Lang
My name is Luis Lang and I live in ft. mill sc and Several months ago I was told that I had suffered several mini strokes over a period of 3-5 days. Because of this a eye condition that I have has come back with a vengeance. I suffer from Diabetic retinopathy. Because of my condition I have not w…

kesmarn

7 days ago
My favorite comment:
funksands

7 days ago
Maureen Vail 747747 10 days ago If only there was some type of program that would allow people to pay money into a pool even if they were healthy so that if the time ever came when they would need it, they would not have to worry about losing evetrything they worked for. Maybe they could even have a preexisting condition and not have to worry about it being covered. Oh, and if they couldn’t afford the premium, maybe the state they live in could expand medicaid so it it can help them afford it. A subsidy, if you will. If that was offered by the Federal Government to states it would be CRAZY for the states to deny that to their citizens. Yeah, if only.
funksands

7 days ago
Not one conservative contributed. Not one.
kesmarn

7 days ago
That one got something like 1000 likes, funk! Awesome comment!
kesmarn

7 days ago
See? We don’t need govt. programs at all! Everyone just needs their own perpetual GoFundMe page.
funksands

7 days ago
Funk–Yea, I loved that comment too. I do love that all of these BS “policies” that the gop has been spouting are now coming back to bite them in the ass. You know, like lower taxes, small gubment, etc. Kansas being the prime example.
glenn

7 days ago
I told him that when the next enrollment period came around and he found out he could get coverage even WITH his pre-existing cond’ns, he should send a thank you note to BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA.
kesmarn

7 days ago
Made sure I got that HUSSEIN in there.
kesmarn

7 days ago
Kes–and perhaps he should send some of Murph’s spiders or even his cow patties to his gop rep!
glenn

7 days ago
Glenn, excellent suggestion
funksands

7 days ago
Purely in the interest of good farming practices, glenn.
kesmarn

7 days ago
Funk–so now we have to depend on the “kindness of strangers”.
glenn

7 days ago
I will toss in moldy mushrooms if that would help
MurphTheSurf3

7 days ago
Murph–you are a prince among men to contribute to the gop!
glenn

7 days ago
Although most GOPers in SC produce enough BS so that they don’t need fertilizer from out of state.
kesmarn

7 days ago
If we give the ultra-wealthy ALL the money, they’ll surely take care of all !
funksands

7 days ago
They’re just holding off until they all have “enough.” Then they’ll start sharing.
kesmarn

7 days ago
Hey how about Ireland voting on gay marriage!!
funksands

7 days ago
Funk–you mean, like they have so far? Yeah, they sure have “taken care of all.” Die quickly and shut up about it while you’re dying–oh and don’t expect more than $9.00 an hour.
glenn

7 days ago
Yeah! Is the result in yet?
kesmarn

7 days ago
Of course if you are woman who wants birth control or an abortion, you are going to jail. yay
funksands

7 days ago
Results Saturday. (their saturday), late tonight for us
funksands

7 days ago
But if you’re a Duggar, no matter what you do, you’re NOT going to jail.
kesmarn

7 days ago
Glenn, if we stuff them so full of money, they’ll have to vomit some of it out right?
funksands

7 days ago
And if you go to jail – then you may decide to become gay – Ben Carson
Sabreen60

7 days ago
Funk–or if you have a miscarriage. But a rape that produces a child is a “beautiful thing”. Jesus H. Christ, these people sure think their sperm is valuable!
glenn

7 days ago
It will come out the other end, funk. In the form of higher taxes on minimum wage workers.
kesmarn

7 days ago
Funk–or shit it out and then we’ll have to wade through their shit! Oh wait, we’re already doing that!
glenn

7 days ago
Glenn, that’s freedom you are smelling
funksands

7 days ago
Kes – Evidently as CL said on another blog Jesus is the GOOJF (Get Out of Jail Free) card. So you do any litlle old nasty thing you want, ask JC to forgive you and no worries.
Sabreen60

7 days ago
Funk–oh silly me! How could I miss that smell?
glenn

7 days ago
Right, Sabreen. Unless you’re a Librul. Then everything you do is the Unpardonable Sin.
kesmarn

7 days ago
Stop denying the wealthy the ability to own a gold-plated ferrari. Why do you hate America?
funksands

7 days ago
Sabreen–except if you’re gay. I’m still trying to figure out how JC made all these gay people. Oh well, I guess everyone makes mistakes, right?
glenn

7 days ago
Huckabee is blaming the mean people who are talking about the Duggars for persecuting a godly Christian family. Whew… Orwellian!
kesmarn

7 days ago
Their hypocrisy knows no bounds – Dr. Holliday
Sabreen60

7 days ago
Mike knows all about the pain of having a deviant as a son. Hits close to home for him
funksands

7 days ago
Kes–I truly can’t believe these people. And, the thing that I still haven’t heard anything about or from are the victims of duggar spawn’s molestation. I guess they’re such good little christians that they have “forgiven” him. Or, they just looked at it as “practice”.
glenn

7 days ago
Irish probably comfortable with gay marriage because they’re very unlikely to seek an abortion
funksands

7 days ago
They’re always the victims. No matter what the circumstances. And Duggars real victims are ignored, as you said glenn.
kesmarn

7 days ago
glenn – Probably scared to death.
Sabreen60

7 days ago
G’day all.
pinkpantheroz

7 days ago
Hey Pink!
funksands

7 days ago
Gotta hand it to them for the brazen come-back to — to anyone who doesn’t like what they’ve done: “Well, we’re all sinners in need of forgiveness. Or are YOU perfect?” Sigh… Like their silly argument for Creationism: “Were you there?” Mind-boggling lack of logic.
kesmarn

7 days ago
Wifey read me something tonight. First time ever more people have emigrated from Australia to NZ rather than the other way around. (Thanks Obama)
funksands

7 days ago
G’Day PPO! How’s everything in the Merry Ole Land of Oz?
kesmarn

7 days ago
Hiya PPO!
Sabreen60

7 days ago
Have you been getting some earthquakes down there?
kesmarn

7 days ago
Everyone been having fun following the TPP and TPA fiasco?
funksands

7 days ago
Nice, Kes! I’m looking today at Ireland, though. Can’t wait for the full result. funk, what has POTUS to do with migration from Aus to NZ?
pinkpantheroz

7 days ago
Funk…your read on the TPP/TPA?
MurphTheSurf3

7 days ago
I am SOOOO confused on TPP. ‘Splain this to us, funk.
kesmarn

7 days ago
Pink, nice try! Everyone knows Obama is to blame
funksands

7 days ago
So let me outline what happened last night: My blood’s still boiling
funksands

7 days ago
Oh, dear me! SO SORRY, funk. Of Course!
pinkpantheroz

7 days ago
Lots of Congressional shenanigans…
kesmarn

7 days ago
Funk – Sure! Bernie Sanders admitted today that he hasn’t bothered to read any of the TPP. He hates all trade deals, but he wants to be President. “Head meet desk”
Sabreen60

7 days ago
1) A vote in the Senate to allow Fast Track came up
funksands

7 days ago
Sabreen, SHHHHHH! don’t say anything to Nirek!
pinkpantheroz

7 days ago
But what about BOEING???
kesmarn

7 days ago
2. Fast track allows no amendments to the TPP, and 90 seconds of comment from Senators before the vote
funksands

7 days ago
PPO – Hey – free your mind and your ass will follow.
Sabreen60

7 days ago
3. The Senate did not have 60 votes to clear a filibuster yet…
funksands

7 days ago
brb
pinkpantheroz

7 days ago
But what about BOEING???
kesmarn

7 days ago
Hey PPO–I was gone for a minute, but I’m back.
glenn

7 days ago
4. My two Senators Patty Murray and Maria Cantwell were holding out, (Hang on Kes!)
funksands

7 days ago
But…?
kesmarn

7 days ago
The public will have 90 days to review TPP before President Obama signs it and it goes to Congress. I believe Congress will have about 4 months before they have to vote it up or down.
Sabreen60

7 days ago
Funk – I believe if passed cloture. But I’ll look again.
Sabreen60

7 days ago
5. SO… the CEO of Boeing, who just happened to be in the building, begins to lean on Cantwell about the import/export bank funding expiring and that it is of utmost importance that that get renewed
funksands

7 days ago
And….?
kesmarn

7 days ago
6. McConnell agrees to hold a vote next week on the import/export bank if Murray and Cantwell flip
funksands

7 days ago
Sabreen–knowing Congress, those four months will be on vacation. Then they’ll come back for two or three days to vote on it–find they can’t come to an agreement, or haven’t had time to read it and those four months will turn into about a year, so they can make sure to tie it to the 2016 elections.
glenn

7 days ago
(What a coincidence that he happened to be there, btw…
kesmarn

7 days ago
7. So they do. And they convince two Republicans to do the same.
funksands

7 days ago
The BOEING CEO…
kesmarn

7 days ago
Yep. TPA passed.
Sabreen60

7 days ago
And…?
kesmarn

7 days ago
8. So to recap, the CEO of Boeing not only gets to have face time with his Senators (They’re in Chicago BTW), but he gets a vote on the TPA, in exchange for a vote on on the import/export bank.
funksands

7 days ago
Of which he wants both
funksands

7 days ago
Funk, no wonder you are pissed.
MurphTheSurf3

7 days ago
THAT’s how its done folks
funksands

7 days ago
The CEO of Boeing is a senator?
glenn

7 days ago
It IS good to be the king.
kesmarn

7 days ago
No Glenn, he is not. He just gets access to them while a critical vote is going on. You know, just like everyone
funksands

7 days ago
glenn, I’m willing to bet my last dollar that Bernie Sanders isn’t the only Senator who hasn’t bothered to read TPP at this point. They make me sick. All this jawjacking and they won’t even read the thing.
Sabreen60

7 days ago
I expected Murray to vote for the TPP, I just didn’t expect them to roll and allow TPA
funksands

7 days ago
Funk–just like everyone with too much money, you mean.
glenn

7 days ago
At least Walker is brazenly mercenary. They actually put out a price list with the terms for buying access to him.
kesmarn

7 days ago
Its bullshit. The fix is in. Sabers, they’re only a few Senators have been allowed to see portions of the bill and once they do, they’re now in possession of classified information.
funksands

7 days ago
Sabreen–kind of like Obamacare, right? I would be willing to bet that 99% of repub congress critters–and probably 50% of Dems–haven’t ever read the ACA either. Just let foxsocallednews tell you what’s in it.
glenn

7 days ago
Funk – Why is that President Obama is the only President who is not, what intelligent enough, moral enough, have US workers at heart to have this authority? Inquiring minds wants to know.
Sabreen60

7 days ago
glenn, exactly. Then it was the Blue Dogs and Repubs who accused Dems of “shoving the bill down their throats” when the bill had been on line for months.
Sabreen60

7 days ago
Here’s Walker’s menu of “levels of access” complete with the amount each one will cost ya. When poor women do this, it’s called “prostitution” and they get arrested.

http://www.alternet.org/election-2016/scott-walker-lets-millionaire-donors-know-outrageous-sum-itll-take-buy-him#.VV8tZwGGGF9.facebook
Scott Walker Lets Millionaire Donors Know the Outrageous Sum It’ll Take to Buy Him Off
Big money’s takeover of our democracy has never been more blatant.

kesmarn

7 days ago
Sabreen–your question to Funk is a rhetorial question, isn’t it? Because if Obama does it, it’s wrong, no matter what it is
glenn

7 days ago
Sabreen, I don’t doubt the President’s intentions. He’s not running some kind of con job. I think he thinks that this is going to be a good thing. I think he’s wrong. Clinton thought NAFTA was going to be awesome too. I believe he believed that. He was wrong. I think Obama is wrong too.
funksands

7 days ago
I think Warren nailed it when she said both NAFTA and TPP might be argued to be OK — IF the regulations in them were enforced. WHICH THEY NEVER ARE. They certainly weren’t with NAFTA.
kesmarn

7 days ago
Funk – I don’t think that’s accurate about “only a few” Senators have been allowed to see it. Senators can even take some staff with them to make notes. But “smartypants”, “The Daily Banter”, The Peoples View” and even the Washington Post (which I don’t like) have great info about what is and is not.
Sabreen60

7 days ago
There is no such thing as a “free trade agreement”. Simply “favorable” trade agreements. We just don’t get to know who gets the favors. I have a hard time believing that an agreement crafted by multi-national corporations will benefit the little guy in any measurable way
funksands

7 days ago
Funk, doesn’t it seem as though it threatens US sovereignty too? Legally the corporation’s laws and lawyers can trump the US Government’s if I understand this correctly.
kesmarn

7 days ago
Somehow I have a sinking feeling that this thing is gonna pass, though…
kesmarn

7 days ago
Sabreen, I’ve read those. I hope they’re right. We’ve been here before. NAFTA was passed just this way.
funksands

7 days ago
I’m sorry, but nothing written this way, with this level of secrecy and with almost no public debate is not going to magically help our nation’s public purpose.
funksands

7 days ago
But again, I hope I’m completely wrong
funksands

7 days ago
Kes, how’s Waco treating you?
funksands

7 days ago
When the unions, Elizabeth Warren, Bernie Sanders and Sherrod Brown are all very much against it, I have to at least listen to them.
kesmarn

7 days ago
I’m waiting for my wings here at the Twin Peaks restaurant, funk…
kesmarn

7 days ago
It’s reallll quiet.
kesmarn

7 days ago
Funk–what are the repercussions/consequences of NATA? Do you think those same consquences will happen with TPP?
glenn

7 days ago
Thanks, Sabreen!
kesmarn

7 days ago
Folks….I love this conversation but I am fading fast. You have enlightened me and given me much food for thought.
MurphTheSurf3

7 days ago
Sabreen, I agree. She makes some really good points.
funksands

7 days ago
G’night, Murph. Hope you get just the right weather for those crops!
kesmarn

7 days ago
G’night Murph. Have a good weekend and Happy Planting!
glenn

7 days ago
Glenn, one consequence is the mexican immigration problem that we had for several years. Almost 4 million Mexican farmers got put out of business because of NAFTA
funksands

7 days ago
Funk–oops–“consequences of NAFTA?
glenn

7 days ago
Maybe the one thing Ross Perot was right about was when he said there’d be a giant “sucking sound” of manufacturing jobs going from the US to Mexico. That did happen.
kesmarn

7 days ago
Glenn, I have no idea what the TPP will do because I know nothing about it. The “impression I am getting is that it is comparatively better than NAFTA. But that doesn’t make it objectively a good thing
funksands

7 days ago
Kes, yep
funksands

7 days ago
Only Mexican factory workers got crappy wages and horrible working conditions.
kesmarn

7 days ago
Night Murph!
funksands

7 days ago
Funk – If there was a way for ONLY American citizens could view TPP without the 11 other nations seeing it, I might agree with you. But the problem is letting China know what deal we’re doing with Vietnam or Mexico. Another point: Why is this ONLY about TPP? Why isn’t anyone fixated on TTIP, which is virtually the same as TPP except it’s with European nations.
Sabreen60

7 days ago
Good night Murph. Take care.
Sabreen60

7 days ago
Funk–thanks for the info.
glenn

7 days ago
G’night, Murpg
pinkpantheroz

7 days ago
Oops! Murph!
pinkpantheroz

7 days ago
Sabreen–you are extremely informed about these trade deals. Thanks for sharing your expertise with us.
glenn

7 days ago
Sabreen, no doubt. I understand the need for some secrecy. But that is supposed to end on the floor of Congress. That’s where we’re supposed to find out what’s going on
funksands

7 days ago
Funk – The USA will NEVER be able to compete with nations who pay their workers $1.57 an hour. TPP attempts to put some teeth in what countries who sign on to the agreement most pay their workers. But those low paying jobs are not coming back here. TPP is important for mid to higher paying jobs. Other countries will have to put up or shut up.
Sabreen60

7 days ago
Australia is worried about the TPP. One worry is that the US Pharmaceuticals will jackboot their way into increasing prices here for medicines
pinkpantheroz

7 days ago
Marcy Kaptur posted a photo of the room where they’re allowed to get info. They have to put their cell phones in little lockers. And I gather they have to memorize the parts of the deal that they want to discuss later.
kesmarn

7 days ago
By the time a bill is going to be passed into law, secrecy is trumped by disclosure.
funksands

7 days ago
Kes, that’s interesting.
funksands

7 days ago
Why not “fast track” war authorization? Don’t want our enemies to get the jump on us!
funksands

7 days ago
Can anyone show where the TPP encourages firms to rehire US citizens and stop the outsourcing of jobs to other 3rd world countries?
pinkpantheroz

7 days ago
kesmarn

7 days ago
Australia will have to decide if signing on to TPP is in their best interest. Either the USA takes the lead on this or we’ll follow some other country. Probably China. The bottom line is unless we become isolationists, we’re going to have to trade with other nations. How we do that is what’s be debating by people who are being honest about their intentions.
Sabreen60

7 days ago
Rep. Kaptur calls into the secure room in the basement of the U.S. Capitol where Members of Congress are allowed to read the nearly 1000 page Trans-Pacific Partnership draft agreement. She had to leave her cell phone in the lockers on the left and was not allowed to take away any notes, photos, or copies. She is not allowed to talk about what she read with anyone unless they have Top Secret clearance. “Not good.” -MK
kesmarn

7 days ago
“what’s being debated”
Sabreen60

7 days ago
As usual, the devil is in the detail, and it seems to be very little of that being distributed
pinkpantheroz

7 days ago
Pink, that’s going to have to be done through the tax code. We pay countries to leave our nation.
funksands

7 days ago
Sabreen, there’s a big gap between becoming isolationist and this process. You’d have to agree with that.
funksands

7 days ago
funk, I assume you mean companies. well, we’ll just have to see.
pinkpantheroz

7 days ago
Again, I don’t know what’s in the agreement.
funksands

7 days ago
Pink, yes that’s what I meant
funksands

7 days ago
frustrating, isn’t it? and we’re just discussing it. try to legislate with hands tied behind your back. Of course, the GOP will say NO anyway, unless of course, it benefits the Kock Bros.
pinkpantheroz

7 days ago
PPO – As you know TPP is very complex. Of all the articles I’ve read, I highly recommend the 3 articles that Spandan has written on The Peoples View. There many really intelligent folks who comment. Once you’ve read and still have question they will be more than happy to answer them. They are more capable then I. However, I could to TPV and research your question, but it would take time. I will say this, though. Many companies are returning to this country already. However, even President Obama has said there are companies who will opt to pay their workers 1.57 per/hr than our min wage. We can’t FORCE companies not to do that. We can give them incentives as PBO has attempted to do.
Sabreen60

7 days ago
PPO, this is one time when Mitch McConnell is convinced that the President is a total genius and is 100% in his corner. Strange bedfellows indeed.
kesmarn

7 days ago
Funk – What is it? Bernie hates all trade agreements as do many on the far left. I have yet to hear an alternative.
Sabreen60

7 days ago
Kes, yeah I have an immediate reaction to something that McConnell, Boehner and Obama are all behind. Wha?
funksands

7 days ago
Going to have to follow Murph out the door. Interesting and informative discussion tonight folks. I hope everyone takes time out to respect the intent of Memorial Day and has a good weekend. ‘Nite all!
glenn

7 days ago
From smartypants: In commenting about the Senate cloture vote on Trade Promotion Authority yesterday, Paul Waldman wrote this: If I were a cynic, I’d say the only thing that can bring Democrats and Republicans together like that is a bill that’s supported by corporate America. Does anyone else remember that corporate America strongly supports comprehensive immigration reform? Why hasn’t that brought Democrats and Republicans together? I’m certainly not one who is interested in taking up a defense of “corporate America.” But I do think they’ve become the convenient villain for liberals to blame. Truth is, it only bothers me when it becomes a knee-jerk response that keeps people from looking a bit deeper into things that are often much more complex than an over-simplified “point-and-blame” response can capture.
Sabreen60

7 days ago
Have a wonderful Memorial Day weekend, glenn. Here’s to peace! G’night!
kesmarn

7 days ago
Sabreen, discuss it publicly. I don’t have a problem with an agreement I know nothing about. I can’t pass judgment on something I know nothing about. I have suspicions, but my real heartburn is how the process is being handled. I don’t like it.
funksands

7 days ago
Night Glenn
funksands

7 days ago
Thanks, Sabreen, I’ll check those articles out. I get a tad cynical when I think of jobs returning to the US on slave wages. Why not federalize the minimum wage here and slap huge import tariffs on incoming goods that could be made in the US and level the playing field?
pinkpantheroz

7 days ago
Well….I stayed through the discussion. Fascinating.
MurphTheSurf3

7 days ago
night, glenn.
pinkpantheroz

7 days ago
PPO – So I gather you believe that TPP should be put on line for all to read, before it’s finalized – even those countries with whom we’re trying to work a deal?
Sabreen60

7 days ago
This has been a really wonderful discussion. Very informative and — as always on the Planet — totally respectful. I love this place!
kesmarn

7 days ago
Sabreen, of course!
pinkpantheroz

7 days ago
Kes – Me too.
Sabreen60

7 days ago
Kes…yes, it has.
MurphTheSurf3

7 days ago
Where else but here could we do this kind of discussion? NOWHERE! Thank goodness for Planet!
pinkpantheroz

7 days ago
PPO – But negotiations are not done like that. If you’re in a legal deal with someone, your lawyer is not going to the other lawyer everything that you say. Or if you buying a home, the buyer is not going to tell the seller exactly what they’ll pay.
Sabreen60

7 days ago
I guess the thing that has me most concerned is the US sovereignty issue. When multi-national corporations can overrule US (or any other country’s) laws, I worry.
kesmarn

7 days ago
Sabreen, I don’t think we even need that. As odious as Congress is, public floor debate, public committee hearings have been perfectly fine as public disclosure
funksands

7 days ago
Well, gotta sign off, cheerio everybody.
pinkpantheroz

7 days ago
Me too for real this time.
MurphTheSurf3

7 days ago
G’night, PPO! Have a great weekend!
kesmarn

7 days ago
I have to go to. Falling asleep at the keyboard. Have a good weekend everyone!!
funksands

7 days ago
Funk – I’m talking about what the other countries will counter with once they know exactly what we want.
Sabreen60

7 days ago
I might have to take my leave as well. Almost midnight here! G’night, funk!
kesmarn

7 days ago
Night PPO and Funk. Have a great week!
Sabreen60

7 days ago
Well, Sabreen, you have been awesome tonight! You’ve presented so many good point and so many resources. Thank you!
kesmarn

7 days ago
I’m out too folks. Take care everyone.
Sabreen60

7 days ago
G’night! Have a great weekend — whatever you do. Thanks again!
kesmarn

7 days ago
Thanks Kes. I’ve been reading about this for months. I don’t have all the answers, by any means. I just try to direct people to sources who may have more info.
Sabreen60

7 days ago
That’s all any of us can do. I’m still studying this one. Very complex! And people I really respect on both sides of the issue. Well, good night once more.
kesmarn

7 days ago
I missed Murph. Night Murph!
Sabreen60

7 days ago
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