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Your Valentine’s Day open thread

My Valentines Day greeting to one and all.

A week ago today I crawled into the lifeboat, wet, half drowned, cold and hungry for some real conversation. It’s been a hell of a week

SO!

A very special Valentines Day greeting to You – “the old timers”, who went out of your way, you welcomed us, oriented us, sent us tips for posting, hell the “heads of state” even posted here like the rest of us. I never saw a comment from AH on HP (she probably would have gotten moderated for using her own name).

Instead of viewing us newbies with wariness, you threw open the doors and I think today, a week later, is a great day because you one and all welcomed us with something we didn’t feel a bit of at HP – that’s called Love. Yep, simple as that. So on Valentines Day I can only send you my Love for being here and all that other shit you do so well πŸ™‚

Thanks again

» Posted By jdmn17 On February 14, 2011 @ 7:47 am

Late

Last week it was pretty cold here, then the Canadians moved the fans in Manitoba to the east and we started warming. Yesterday was over 40, first time since last year.

Last night weather on the local news:

We’re going to have a cool down tomorrow – Point of reference. Average Temp this time of year is 27 F. And the “cool down” means it’s only going to get to 38 today.

God I hate the weather people. They treat the weather like the NE treats Linsday Lohan

» Posted By jdmn17 On February 14, 2011 @ 7:16 am

Happy Valentines Day one and all, political leanings aside I hope you are all nice to your special person, and if there’s no human in your life, then scratch your pet an extra time behind the ear. If no pet then give your ear an extra scratch πŸ™‚

» Posted By jdmn17 On February 14, 2011 @ 6:41 am

I don’t know Dawg. Two of the three “loves of my life” were conservative in the IKE tradition and I dated another who was really far right. The politics were less important to me back then (and don’t go there, you know what I’m talking about). I think what separates them for me is the last part, the warm heart. The ones I knew were rather cold hearted, or at least lacking empathy and compassion. As for the far right one. Let’s just say I agonized but the differences I knew were there and finally walked away from were summed up when she sent me a FB friend request and I went to her page and was greeted with a photo album of her hunting wolves. That gave me a huge sadness and a huger sigh of relief I’d left while I still had my pelt.

Happy Day Dawg

» Posted By jdmn17 On February 14, 2011 @ 6:39 am

The American people have Spoken … Maybe

I agree with that. Here in MN it was so bloody awful, the election ads. I would stand in the living room screaming as ad after ad ran on endlessly decrying people and ignoring they have NO positions. I grew up with people actually putting their goals out there. I mean, I don’t know. I build furniture and I have to show people what I do not tell them how shitty my competition is. How far do I think I’d get if that’s all I did?

I really believe the two party system has to end. I know that’s extreme but if both existing parties move right or left then what choice do people really have? We can argue about who’s more right or more against the people and pro business but I fear we are talking differences that in many cases don’t exist between party leaders.

I’m not a political wonk. I just know the way things are simply sucks. I want my voice heard for a change

» Posted By jdmn17 On February 14, 2011 @ 2:52 pm

Basta, I’m just to your west and like WI, our legislature went Red last election. How the hell can states like MN (with two of the finest liberal US Senators) go red is simply mind boggling. And WI? I really don’t get it. Do we both live in states with that much anger and hatred? I just don’t know. I mean everyone always talks about MN Nice but it sure doesn’t feel nice right now. As for you guys, I really don’t understand what happened any more than you.

I do want to tell you I defended you and your cheesehead buddies pretty hard the other day πŸ™‚

Something about bad cheese. I couldn’t take it…….

» Posted By jdmn17 On February 13, 2011 @ 5:43 pm

Overdue For Extinction

I watched the show about it. I have visited Yellowstone numerous times. When I saw the photos of the changes at Yellowstone Lake I almost fell over. It makes sense given how much stuff comes up from the ground there every day. So my son got, I think, National Geographic and we sat and read it together showing the extent of damage and the way it might go. That’s some serious shit if it goes.

» Posted By jdmn17 On February 14, 2011 @ 7:07 am

An HP Moderator Replies

So an honorary one. Americans are rarely that polite and gracious πŸ™‚

I am half Canadian on my dad’s side. It was hard to deal with getting close to it as my dad was an asshole but I’ve managed to get through it. Love my Canadian cousins in Quebec and am making progress on my French.

Corner Gas sounds like a gas – I’ll sic my son on finding some DVD’s

PS. My son loves Oregon. Think he’d move there in a second

» Posted By jdmn17 On February 17, 2011 @ 6:01 pm

Dey

I am enjoying the Huff {[spit]} stuff

You Canadians may be a bit of a pain with your cheery attitude and national health care but I do like your sense of humor

» Posted By jdmn17 On February 17, 2011 @ 5:50 pm

Betty

It’s pretty awesome here isn’t it? I got here about 12 days ago and there are some really amazing people here.

And friendly? Hell, even the conservatives here are chipper. So far πŸ™‚

Have fun

» Posted By jdmn17 On February 17, 2011 @ 5:46 pm

She went after my ass the other day. I simply wrote a response that suggested she try her troll on someone else. She didn’t write back and my post got on and then deleted when they removed my first post. It’s the flaggers of unremarkable remarks that got me. They are definitely managing what gets through and what stays. I kind of get the impression if you go on an unmoderated thread they go back over it later and scrub it. That could just be me, what I say is pretty inflammatory

» Posted By jdmn17 On February 17, 2011 @ 10:47 am

Alpha, when I walk past the television and MB is on – a lot her in MN as she’s the DARLING of one of the newscasters on the CBS affiliate I can feel the hairs on my neck raise up. She is one frightening dudette.

As for Esme Murphy on WCCO I wonder if she’s sucking up to MB because she wants to become her Greta. I’d use the B word but I think being someone’s Greta gets the same point

» Posted By jdmn17 On February 17, 2011 @ 10:44 am

Dey girl

I am the sole responsible for my 87 year old mother. She’s up and around but needs someone looking in on her, doing the cooking etc. Thankfully my son helps out as well. My younger sister has MS and can’t help. The other one lived far to the south. The two times a year she comes through is a living hell as she makes up for her guilt my micromanaging anything and everything, when she leaves town my son and I breath a sigh of relief. I am sort of dreading when he’s done with school and heads out on his own.

» Posted By jdmn17 On February 17, 2011 @ 10:38 am

Never saw it but I was a fan of Fawlty Towers and the first couple of seasons of Northern Exposure. Love those funky comedies.

Wish we could get CBC here in the states. I used to have an antennae on my cabin a mile south of Canada in the woods of northern MN. If I climbed up on the roof and had someone in the cabin we could get some TV, from Thunder Bay as I recall now.

» Posted By jdmn17 On February 17, 2011 @ 9:27 am

The old hockey towns on the Iron Range in northern MN are like that. Not much intercity dating, esp during hockey season.

» Posted By jdmn17 On February 17, 2011 @ 9:12 am

Deygirl

I left my younger sister behind and it took years to get over my shame and guilt. I had to get out, I kept telling myself I was the problem and when I left it would be all right. It wasn’t. I think that’s what tripped my trigger last night, memories of that and a couple of other things like that. People who long for the good old days might want to rethink how we dealt with abuse back then. It’s better today, not great at all, but it was completely avoided back then.

» Posted By jdmn17 On February 17, 2011 @ 9:11 am

No, it was just a funny πŸ™‚

But hey, FM heels and pasties work too.

» Posted By jdmn17 On February 17, 2011 @ 8:29 am

Deygirl

The hatred comment came from my own feelings – how I reacted and wrote was straight from my heart. So I was perhaps more strong in decrying their words and not thinking that clearly.

It was odd to read it. I suspect some of the people decrying his revelation have been abused themselves and to see someone else with the courage to speak makes their own secret even more painful. On the other hand I suspect most of the posters have no clue about the pain and fear coming when you speak a horror from your life.

Sexual abuse, rape, incest, racism, bigotry – the people who suffer it are still people. I could care less at that point about their religion or sexual preference or politics.

I worked on a burn unit for many years. I think it’s safe to see that I never experienced how one party or religion got the “better” burns.

» Posted By jdmn17 On February 17, 2011 @ 8:26 am

David – In the end we are simply humans. You said something like that when you first stopped in here. I have not forgotten that and probably it was your words that got me my first separation between conservative and trolls. I had lost the ability to see political leanings as a continuum; instead I had become all or nothing.

If someone from the other “party” or stream of thought lost a child I would feel for them, regardless of what I thought about them (that was hard because my compassion for Beck, Palin etal would come grudgingly but it would be there).

Thanks for the compliment – it came straight from my heart last night, wrote it inside the pain, not from some stoic overnight pondering. If you have great pain that comes to the surface and you let it escape revelation it will go back where it was and keep eating you.

» Posted By jdmn17 On February 17, 2011 @ 8:20 am

The first year I was there the fluff articles were annoying and mostly made the front page in the lower margins. Now they are headlines at times. Something changed last fall. Was it AOL or the impending Repub election sweep? I don’t know, just things changed and every day I became less and less enamored. I stayed for you guys, the posters. The news itself was almost rendered pointless.

So glad so many of my favorites landed here.

Whew

» Posted By jdmn17 On February 17, 2011 @ 8:12 am

I live here in MN and I can’t ever recall seeing a photo of her husband or her kids. Let’s hope they aren’t another Palin family

» Posted By jdmn17 On February 17, 2011 @ 8:07 am

When I left there last night I felt dirty. It was awful. And yet, the comments were FULLY moderated, they let that shit through and scrubbed several comments of mine attempting to point out that people didn’t just throw out the “I was sexually abused” for making themselves more popular. One guy actually suggested Brown go down and register as a sex offender because “all people who have been sexually abuse are going to abuse”

Others claimed the abuse had made him gay and he needed to come out and come clean on that. Besides, he had been a model and EVERYONE knows all male models are gay.

» Posted By jdmn17 On February 17, 2011 @ 8:05 am

Khirad

Anger knows no political boundaries. I know that as much as I know anything. I’m sure there were some progressive folks there, it just astonished me that there were ten or twelve awful posts for every moderate and about 20:1 for compassionate ones. I went so far to check the other things some of these people were posting and they were NOT progressives.

Point made though, I think Truth’s suggestion is good too, stay the hell away jd

OK

» Posted By jdmn17 On February 17, 2011 @ 8:00 am

Truth

Thanks, I really don’t spend time there. I guess the topic was personal and seeing the way the commenters attacked this man was just vile. Revealing your personal hell to the public is beyond brave and when people suggested he was making it up to get some pity boost in his polls just freaked me out. And like I said when I first got here, once you get sucked in it’s hard to walk away when it’s personal.

I am a much better person today than I was ten days ago. And that’s from people like you and the rest of the crowd here

» Posted By jdmn17 On February 17, 2011 @ 7:56 am

Ad Not if what I think is going on over there turns out to be correct and they have brought in snarkers to act like they are progressives. It’s only going to get worse. I mean it may drive true progressives elsewhere, like here. But I worry what middle of the roaders may think. I would hope that “We”, true progressives (and with nod to some of our true conservative friends) would be better than what I’ve been seeing over there tonight

» Posted By jdmn17 On February 16, 2011 @ 10:10 pm

Ecat

Ditto, I’ve been having a harder and harder time finding old friends and the people posting there now are just so hateful and combative. We were like that a mere week or ten days ago? Wow, I’m so glad I got here.

» Posted By jdmn17 On February 16, 2011 @ 10:06 pm

Thanks for the laugh funk, just in from a very disturbing visit to HP. Needed to touch the earth once more and you did it

» Posted By jdmn17 On February 16, 2011 @ 10:00 pm

There is some real crazy shit going on over at HP.

Sen Brown, not one of my favorite people just came out on 60 Minutes and admitted he was sexually abused as a child. OK, I’ve got some personal shit about that so perhaps I am overreacting.

So I went into the comments and was just floored! I mean for every compassionate response there were dozens saying things that made me feel sick. As I read I became even more freaked out. What I can gather is there are three “teams” working there. True Progressives and old time HP posters, few indeed who are speaking to his courage and the tragedy.

This is where it got scary

There is a large number of low fan names I’ve never seen before who are making claims he’s trying to use the abuse to solidify his position since his approval ratings are down, he’s trying to sell books. You name it. And of course the “repubs” are responding by calling them out as hateful progressives as though they are trying to prove that liberals/progressive are more hateful than conservatives.

It’s just fucking unbelievable.

Am I being paranoid and not seeing the hatred we have inside us?

Or is it possible that HP has set these teams out there, writing hateful stuff so other repubs can blame the vitriol on dems because why would any conservative make shitty remarks about one of their own.

I tried to point out that he’s not a popular guy with the far right and the snark was more indicative of far right wing posters but most of my stuff got deleted.

So this is Arianna’s final revenge? We leave en masse and she simply replaces “us” with people posing as progressives who are really from the far reaches of right?

I must be tired because I can’t believe my speculation could be right. That means anyone coming in and not understanding things would be inclined to think that the progressives on the site are hateful and spiteful.

I don’t know why I keep going over there. I may need to just let go of the few friends I have over there. I can’t read that shit anymore

» Posted By jdmn17 On February 16, 2011 @ 9:58 pm

Oh – welcome – the more the merrier

» Posted By jdmn17 On February 16, 2011 @ 9:16 pm

It’s your gravatar, very masculine πŸ™‚

» Posted By jdmn17 On February 16, 2011 @ 9:15 pm

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