Displaying 751 To 780 Of 3,237 Comments Corporations Are Religious Extremists Too! I was with you all the way until the end of your last sentence. Yes the 4 most conservative judges really are reactionary- that is they are reacting against rather than acting for- the very definition of being anti-progressive. But this does not mean they are operating within a totalitarian superstructure. They are not. The operate within the same context as the liberal courts of the past have done. » Posted By MurphTheSurf3 On July 1, 2014 @ 9:09 pm Spot on, spot off. A bit of silliness.. » Posted By MurphTheSurf3 On July 1, 2014 @ 9:02 pm Thanks. » Posted By MurphTheSurf3 On July 1, 2014 @ 9:00 pm I see the Bible as a library of books- history, literature, philosophy, poetry, law code, science….all written in the context of a timeline spanning 4000 years. It reflects the understanding of many, many people in communion with an experience of the “other” which they call divine and name “God”. I happen to regard the Wisdom Books of the Old Testament and most of the New Testament as among the finest expression of the human reach for the transcendent but so are the teachings of the Buddha. » Posted By MurphTheSurf3 On July 1, 2014 @ 9:00 pm Another 51 corporations are going to use the ruling to skate out from under the obligation- will they all feel that people power? » Posted By MurphTheSurf3 On July 1, 2014 @ 8:50 pm Certainly this is a violation of their spirit. » Posted By MurphTheSurf3 On July 1, 2014 @ 8:48 pm Delete what they do not want And generally ignore the NT especially the Gospels and the OT books of Wisdom which show a maturing religious philosophy. Their favorite texts are from the Pentateuch, the Torah, the most ancient books that reflect a simple and stark tribal life. That is fitting for a party of reactionaries. » Posted By MurphTheSurf3 On July 1, 2014 @ 6:25 am Like many fundamentalist Christians with their Bibles, they only read the parts they like and reinterpret/rewrite the parts they do not. » Posted By MurphTheSurf3 On July 1, 2014 @ 6:00 am RSG…the more one looks at this ruling the more problematic it gets…you point out four of the pot holes that mar the smooth highway that the conservative justices claim to be laying out. HL is picking and choosing what it will and will not cover (as you note) without reference to the science. The SCOTUS in validating this has opened up pandora’s box and despite their assurance that their ruling is narrow, future plantiffs will be pushing out the walls that the five conservatives say they have put into place. » Posted By MurphTheSurf3 On July 1, 2014 @ 5:59 am I read through the minority opinions late last night…the scorn that the Four are heaping on the Five is barely disguised by a thin veneer of polite legalese. It seems that they might well agree with you as I do. » Posted By MurphTheSurf3 On July 1, 2014 @ 5:53 am For the Framers….Freedom OF Religion meant Freedom FOR AND FROM Religion…they knew the tyranny of imposed faith by churches like the Anglican, the Established Church of England, and less formal, but still very real influence of the various Protestant Churches, and the Catholic Church in particular colonies. They also feared the power of corporate bodies like the Money Besotted Parliament, the Monopolistic Trading Companies and the Churches. As a result the Framers made it clear in a variety of ways that corporate power had to be checked. Well today we have another example of how the so-called originalists and strict constructionists on the court are in fact radically opposed to the very Founders and Framers they enshrine. » Posted By MurphTheSurf3 On June 30, 2014 @ 7:07 pm Hobby Lobby, Contraception and Bearing False Witness Thanks for the Mother Jones lead…just finished reading the article – excellent. Building the case. » Posted By MurphTheSurf3 On July 1, 2014 @ 9:13 pm I have that info but would appreciate any source info that you, or others, could provide. » Posted By MurphTheSurf3 On July 1, 2014 @ 6:27 am Devastating. I would like to utilize your info here as part of a longer post at Daily Kos and here highlighting the two faced nature of the HL claim. Have you any other tidbits that might be of help. I would also appreciate a link to a source for your info re. Chinese abortion measures and HL’s merchandise origins » Posted By MurphTheSurf3 On July 1, 2014 @ 5:48 am You want hypocrisy, here’s hypocrisy. Hobby Lobby has about $73 million invested in the company that makes the Plan B morning-after pill, another that makes a copper IUD, the maker of the abortion-inducing drugs and health companies that cover surgical abortions. » Posted By MurphTheSurf3 On June 30, 2014 @ 6:55 pm What Can Be Done to Stop Children From Crossing Our Borders? I AGREE WITH YOU..I just do not think that what you are proposing has any chance, any chance at all of happening AND there are those who love it, absolutely love it, when the high minded and wonderfully principled not themselves in proposing the impossible because they know it saps them of all resource eventually. You are a reformer and so am I but I regard any proposal that begins with the kind of fundamental change you lay out…I ask…HOW? How does it get proposed, by who, into what venue and then how does it move forward. I agree with the what and the why, but the How stops me dead. » Posted By MurphTheSurf3 On July 7, 2014 @ 6:51 pm Hey Sally-the conversation is getting very confusing…so I will do my best using the most wicked of practices in blogworld- ALL CAPS. Here is your comment and MY RESPONSES…. “Wow Murph, down boy! I AM NOT INCENSED/EXCITED/ ABOUT THIS….I HAVE JUST BEEN DOWN THIS ROAD SO MANY TIMES THAT I KNOW THAT THE BASE POSITIONS FROM THE LEFT AND THE RIGHT ARE DETOURS THAT KEEP US FROM EVEN PROPOSING EFFECTIVE AND REALISTIC RESPONSES TO THE PROBLEM. This response is to yours to me down below. I am not missing your point. I am making another one. The reason illegal immigrants are used here is because of industrial farming/corporate can hire them for less. AND I AGREE THAT THIS IS SO AND ADD THAT THEY CAN HIRE THEM TO WORK UNDER CONDITIONS THAT VIOLATE ALL KINDS OF STANDARDS AND THEY DARE NOT COMPLAIN. MORE WORK FOR LESS MONEY IN NASTY CONDITIONS. BARGAINQ That is just one example. And, because of all that money in lobbying, the republicans are not really against illegal immigrants, as long as they can be used. YES, THIS IS ALSO TRUE. LOOK AT HOW MUCH UNDOCUMENTED LABOR IS EMPLOYED BY THE MARRIOT BROTHERS FOR EXAMPLE. » Posted By MurphTheSurf3 On July 7, 2014 @ 6:26 pm Missing my point. I do not suggest that these kids are seeking work but the broader issue is very much about that and the other draws I list. I get that this is a very emotional issue and I do not suggest that these kids are anything more than pawns being used by the GOP, by Dems, by gangs, by coyotes, by the governments of the country from which they are fleeing…. Bottom line- the situation is not supportable and my outline is broader than the current crisis. » Posted By MurphTheSurf3 On July 6, 2014 @ 8:04 pm I agree with the sentiment but I do not agree that this perspective takes us anywhere real. » Posted By MurphTheSurf3 On July 6, 2014 @ 7:59 pm Your solution is that we reform America from the DOD to corporate culture to political payoffs and American habits of consumption…. if that is your plan…. well, I understand it. I even empathize with it but it is not real and it’s realism that is needed right now. Bottom line- can the U.S. absorb an unremitting flow of the undocumented whether they be 8 months or 80. » Posted By MurphTheSurf3 On July 6, 2014 @ 7:57 pm Absolutely….in Europe – it is a percentage of their annual take.- imagine a fine of 5 percent of profit – that would make an impression. » Posted By MurphTheSurf3 On July 6, 2014 @ 7:53 pm Very interesting story about the Swiss- especially as the analysis of the vote shows that the anti-immigrant reaction is rooted in conservation and nationalist groups…just like here. The analysis of cultural assimilation in Europe is of particular value- in the sense that it does not seem to be our issue to the same degree. » Posted By MurphTheSurf3 On July 6, 2014 @ 7:47 pm I not deciding what to do with these kid except to follow the law, and the regular order precedence has established. Just as with the undocumented who are here in residence now, these kids will be covered by whatever accommodation is made in the short and midterm. Points 2 to 5 address the mid to long term situation. » Posted By MurphTheSurf3 On July 6, 2014 @ 7:40 pm Not much discussion yet. I think I will craft a full sized post and see what comes of it. » Posted By MurphTheSurf3 On July 4, 2014 @ 7:05 pm I await your “practical” responses for that is what we need. As long as we continue to have jobs (no matter how bad), and provide services (no matter how basic) we create the conditions that attract the undocumented (often with the urging of their own governments who regard El Norte as a safety valve and criminal enterprise that benefits from providing transport across the U.S. Border). I lived in Europe for a number of years and the same hard choices I suggest here were made by the members of EU many years past. Your personalization of the matter is understandable but it does not provide a channel for movement forward. So, what is that you suggest? » Posted By MurphTheSurf3 On July 4, 2014 @ 7:03 pm I have been reading along since Nirek first published this post. I have considered this issue for a very long time and What needs to be done? 1) A humanitarian response to the plight of those who have come to the U.S. believing that the country is an open refuge. 2) Fix our immigration laws. 3) Close the two doors that draw most of the undocumented: 4) Information campaigns and clarity. Wide spread, and constant dissemination of these standards with an emphasis on info campaigns in countries that are the principal points of origin for the undocumented. 5) Immediate return to the point of origin of all without documentation. And yes, this too is hard, but necessary. AND THE FOUNDATION FOR ALL OF THIS IS THE REMOVAL OF THE ENTIRE ISSUE FROM POLITICAL GAMESMANSHIP. For both the Democrats and Republicans the immigration question plays their bases for fools. All are pawns. For Democrats, the issue appeals to their growing Hispanic bases and to the left in all its forms. For Republicans, the issue appeals to its Nativists and the right in all its forms. Enough already. » Posted By MurphTheSurf3 On July 4, 2014 @ 8:03 am Articles worth looking at in considering this question: http://www.nbcnews.com/news/latino/children-border-raise-question-who-refugee-n144696 This is where I am starting. Other ideas? Other sources? » Posted By MurphTheSurf3 On July 1, 2014 @ 8:32 am Nirek…this is a very interesting concept. What you are doing is calling for a forum to gather ideas. What do you plan to do with what comes your way? I wonder if the Planet can do polling aggregation? Hmmmm….what could come from this is a major article from the Planet re. what is to be done. There are people in the community who should really be asked to contributed their two cents because of the work they do. As to your questions…I am going to ponder them and get back to you. » Posted By MurphTheSurf3 On July 1, 2014 @ 8:20 am The Whys And Wherefores Of Suing The President Now, here is the tricky part….all of the case law you cite is only as binding as the current SCOTUS decides….yep, the Conservatives i.e. Reactionaries could dismiss it all BUT in your interpretation is the one that arises out of previous case law. » Posted By MurphTheSurf3 On July 1, 2014 @ 9:25 pm The TP contingent operates in a bubble wherein the State Based Articles of Confederation were never replaced by a Federal Constitution. In that world any federal action is suspect. They will not question that which is at the heart of their political philosophy. Where Boehner is dead wrong is believing that the threat of lawsuit will be sufficient red eat to keep the TP satiated…not even close. » Posted By MurphTheSurf3 On July 1, 2014 @ 9:23 pmComments Posted By MurphTheSurf3
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I am also concerned about placing these children because there are some pretty sick people in this country that enslave and hold captive. YES. WHICH IS WHY I WANT THE IMMIGRATION COURTS AND SOCIAL SERVICES OFFICES EXPANDED TO MEET THIS NEED. Much background checking needed. Also, as I said earlier, why would you send your child here with all the school shootings and shooting as a whole. BECAUSE IT REALLY IS MUCH BETTER HER THAN THERE. Now, I know we aren’t as bad as where they are coming from but still. Maybe we should erect big screen TV’s and with subtitles show them the news here. They might change their minds a little.
And, I have to agree with Kes that we need to pull this out at the roots. HERE IS THE TROUBLE. I AGREE IN PRINCIPLE BUT HOW, HOW, HOW…..?American greed is at the source, whether its drugs, sex or rock n’roll wages! Pull it out….wait, that could be taken another way……you get my point, I hope. Murph, your point was made. I just had something to add and someone to agree with. WE ACTUALLY AGREE UP AND DOWN THE LINE.
– Care for their physical needs with compassion and generosity,
– processing their cases through enhanced immigration courts with additional judges according to the law now in place,
– providing asylum as appropriate.
– to provide a path for those already here to have their status legalized
– to provide a path to citizenship for the eligible
– access to employment by employers who benefit from cheap labor that is easily exploited.
– access to public services by the undocumented that makes staying in the U.S. both possible and enticing even without work.
To accomplish this we need a secure national identification system lined to the Social Security Administration with e-verify required for ALL employment and very heavy penalties for those who hire without and for all seeking access to all but emergency public services. And yes, this includes access to schools, to primary medical care etc. This is hard but necessary.
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