Displaying 16,831 To 16,860 Of 19,504 Comments START YOUR TALKING POINTS! “SUMMIT” IS HERE! Before the bullshit of focusing only on the most conflict, Mitchell was dissing the summit and stating that the public sides with the GOP. What a tool. » Posted By AdLib On February 25, 2010 @ 11:17 am Why can’t we have more of this in our governance? This is how discussions should be on big issues. Let the GOP trot out their BS for all to see punctured by Obama. Meanwhile, it is illustrated who cares about Americans and who hides behind them in a cowardly way to protect corporations. I mean, what is the public but human shields for the GOP to do the bidding of corporations? » Posted By AdLib On February 25, 2010 @ 11:13 am I’ll go with #2. » Posted By AdLib On February 25, 2010 @ 11:12 am MSNBC SUCKS! With everything that was discussed, all they can talk about is McCain and Obama sparring. WTF?! The wife of Alan Greenspan who helped destroy this nation is taking her shot at it. » Posted By AdLib On February 25, 2010 @ 10:48 am I’ve just added a live feed in a new article so you can watch the summit at The Planet and continue commenting in this article. https://planetpov.com/2010/02/25/health-care-summit-live-chat-watch-live-here/ » Posted By AdLib On February 25, 2010 @ 9:17 am Join MoveOn’s Virtual March for Health Care Reform Today! Khirad, no, I didn’t know that and those definitions are perfect! Danke! » Posted By AdLib On February 24, 2010 @ 10:16 pm Imagine if insurance for the 30 million who don’t have health care was removed from HCR but there was a public option and the end of pre-existing conditions. Many might say that bill would not be real reform and should not be passed. The HC system is a disaster. People are suffering in all directions and naturally, everyone is looking for HCR to address the issue that is impacting them the strongest. Most compassionate people though would put the prospect of people who can’t get or afford health care ahead of the problem they’re having and would support the passage of the current bill. Still, one can understand their disappointment at their predicament continuing. » Posted By AdLib On February 24, 2010 @ 10:13 pm After reading it, not sure if it really is a denial. The WH seems to be saying that “We’re talking about something else right now” but not denying that they’ve been preparing this for a fall back position. Still, despite this and the absence of most congressional progressives tomorrow night, I am optimistic that this is going to happen full bore. » Posted By AdLib On February 24, 2010 @ 9:58 pm Night Cher! » Posted By AdLib On February 24, 2010 @ 9:53 pm Saw this on The Hill…looks like the conservative approach is on tap for tomorrow night: Liberal Dem not happy about White House health summit lineup A leader of the Congressional Progressive Caucus (CPC) voiced concern on Wednesday that the House Democrats’ contingent to the White House healthcare summit is not liberal enough. Rep. Keith Ellison decried the lack of liberals on Twitter: HC Summit: Blue Dog rep, but NO Progressive, Hispanic, Black, Asian rep. invited. 3 women of 29 members invited.Call WH & complain loudly. The four additional members invited by House Democratic leaders, however, includes Rep. Xavier Becerra (D-Calif.), a member of the CPC and the Congressional Hispanic Caucus. » Posted By AdLib On February 24, 2010 @ 9:52 pm Sorry I was away, I had to take a Bush. I was thinking of a different application for “Rahm”. As in, I was ice skating today and fell right on my “Rahm”. » Posted By AdLib On February 24, 2010 @ 9:44 pm I’ll sign onto your last choice: C. They’re stupid. What they got from Brown’s election is that HCR is bad instead of HCR that doesn’t profoundly do the “R” part is bad. Support for a PO remains high. Support for HCR with mandatory purchasing and no price controls or PO remains low. Fortunately, price controls are being proposed (finally!) by Obama so support may rise. What the “dopes” not supporting HCR with PO don’t realize is that it was the only strong path to getting through this on the positive side. The Repubs will diss them for socialism, government takeover, etc. in either case but with a PO, they could have far more goodwill banked from the public. Even so, I support this bill even without a PO, with Fed price controls as presented. And who knows, maybe the 30 million getting insurance will show a bit of appreciation at the voting booth towards the pols who helped give it to them. That could blunt the GOP attacks. » Posted By AdLib On February 24, 2010 @ 9:36 pm I think the Dems who care most sincerely about the health and lives of their fellow Americans are supporting the passage of a bill whether or not there’s a PO. Even some of those out there expressing dismay do or will support the passage of such a bill. It is disappointing to think that if not dragged out for a year and if reconciliation was not dismissed at the beginning, profound reform could have taken place. This strategy was poor and undercut the momentum and possibilities. However, we are where we are today and there is sufficient momentum to pass the Senate Bill after fixing some serious problems through reconciliation. We have to accept what we can get today and with Fed control on premiums, the mandatory requirement is more acceptable. We will have to continue to fight for single-payer, Medicare for All. Unfortunately, those Teabaggers and Repubs opposing this will have to suffer enough under our for-profit system until they could possibly change their minds. After all, Insurance companies deny care and charge an arm and a leg to Progressives and Teabaggers alike. » Posted By AdLib On February 24, 2010 @ 9:27 pm I don’t trust anything that appears in the WSJ anyway but considering that Rahm appears to be the conservative voice pulling Obama away from more progressive policies, WSJ, Murdoch and the GOP would probably want to say positive things about him to keep him there as an inhibitor of more Progressive policies. » Posted By AdLib On February 24, 2010 @ 9:18 pm Watching KO and Rachel tonight, the consensus seems to be that The Senate has written off the PO, apparently the Brown win in MA has permanently terrified the most spineless Senators. So they’re opposing something the majority of Americans want? Where is the logic?! Barbara Boxer was on Rachel and glaringly danced around the PO being re-considered, she instead touted the Fed price controls Obama proposed and state pools as accomplishing the same goal of providing affordable health care. With the public statements from the WH and the backroom talk, Obama does not support nor want a PO at this point. Reid has apparently told them that there aren’t 51 votes for it among Dems. With this in mind, it is understandable why so many Dems are angry. There is a justifiable feeling of so many Dems lacking the courage to do what’s right for Americans instead of what’s best for their re-election. And in this case, despite their calculations, having supported a PO would have served both. » Posted By AdLib On February 24, 2010 @ 9:14 pm Cher, did you catch this paragraph: White House Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel didn’t devise the smaller policy, the official said. But Mr. Emanuel argued that it wasn’t feasible to pass a comprehensive bill and counseled a lesser version, according to several people familiar with the conversations. » Posted By AdLib On February 24, 2010 @ 9:05 pm Exactly. The squeakiest wheels get the oil. When the Teabaggers were the loudest, they moved the discussion in their direction, when Progressives were, they did. Many Congresspeople want to get re-elected and if they hear from their constituents, “We are passionate about wanting you to support us on this”, and they don’t, they know they are losing votes. They do calculate into their votes which side will lose them the most support so by hearing from more of us, they will give out opinion more weight. » Posted By AdLib On February 24, 2010 @ 9:04 pm Either public protesting changes minds or it doesn’t. You note that RW protests have an effect then state that 1 million protesting Progressives never would. If a principle works, it works. If it doesn’t, it doesn’t. I appreciate your cynicism but I would think that even you would agree that the Progressive backlash after the town hall teabaggers helped push Congress to get back to work and after that, they had a bill with expanded Medicare close to passage…with Lieberman blocking its path. Clearly, Progressive calls, faxes and letters made a difference. I think you are too unfairly dismissive of those who participated in this protest. Signing up for it generated a hard copy fax sent to people’s congresspeople then displayed the names and phone numbers of senators. I and many others sent faxes and made calls to our Senators today. That is not the admittedly weaker approach of just signing an online petition and emailing it. Cynicism and frustration is what we all have to fight against in trying to bring change and we should not fall into the trap of promoting the futility of protesting simply because it hasn’t brought things to fruition yet. How long did it take for protesting to bring about the vote for women and civil rights for all Americans? Certainly, they were proven right not to give up because their protests were ignored. They kept protesting until they accomplished what they set out to do. As I believe we should. And even if a bill is passed, we should continue to protest against remaining inequities. That is how change has happened historically in this nation. » Posted By AdLib On February 24, 2010 @ 8:49 pm I’ll second that! » Posted By AdLib On February 24, 2010 @ 4:27 pm They scream at that granite as if that will speed it up or slow it down! Are you talking about curling or the Obama Admin and the Repubs? » Posted By AdLib On February 24, 2010 @ 4:24 pm I would imagine that the offices of other Senators who aren’t onboard with HCR and the PO aren’t having quite as much fun. » Posted By AdLib On February 24, 2010 @ 4:22 pm EDIT: I just refreshed and my counter went back from over 1 million to 983,000. Weird. » Posted By AdLib On February 24, 2010 @ 2:41 pm That’s a lot of faxes and phone calls! At this rate, the final count’s going to be much higher than that! » Posted By AdLib On February 24, 2010 @ 2:21 pm Got it! » Posted By AdLib On February 24, 2010 @ 2:11 pm Yep, will do now! » Posted By AdLib On February 24, 2010 @ 2:04 pm What’s interesting is he’s probably used to that as a nickname. » Posted By AdLib On February 24, 2010 @ 2:04 pm Over 900,000 now!!! » Posted By AdLib On February 24, 2010 @ 1:25 pm Remarkable piece, Khirad! One would think that the ongoing support for the Green movement in itself is a victory and sets the stage for change down the line. As it becomes taken for granted by the Iranian public that this movement is part of their society now, efforts to oppress it become more of an attack on Iranian society itself. It’s disappointing that justice has to often be such a gradual and circuitous path, injustice is so much swifter in achieving its goals. The undermining of their economy sounds very familiar, we know what that leads to when an economic disruption occurs. An economic turn of events could make change more possible there as it was here, don’t you think? » Posted By AdLib On March 4, 2010 @ 8:27 am Democrats: Are We the Knee-Jerk Party or Just Jerks? And they would happily call themselves that. Because they didn’t know enough to recognize that it wasn’t a good thing. » Posted By AdLib On February 24, 2010 @ 6:43 pm If Reid was a member of the animal world, I would say he looks like a de-boned hamster. » Posted By AdLib On February 24, 2010 @ 6:41 pmComments Posted By AdLib
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