Displaying 0 To 0 Of 0 Comments Vox Populi AfterChat – 3-5-2010 Yes, it was clearly intended then to mean a new era of peaceful cooperation between nations. As you say, the phrase was morphed over time into meaning a fascist One Global Government conspiracy. My question is, how many huge conspiracy theories ever turned out to be correct? » Posted By AdLib On March 6, 2010 @ 7:34 pm Have you ever considered the theory that we are the most advanced collection of beings in the known universe? Excluding teabaggers of course. The sad thing is that people on another planet who think we exist will be ridiculed mercilessly with “tinfoil hat” jokes. » Posted By AdLib On March 6, 2010 @ 7:30 pm One of the oddly forgotten incidents that accelerated the economic crash was the price manipulation and inflation of oil and gas. Seeing what was coming down the pike, the oil and gas industry acted like the banks in trying to grab as much as they could before the hammer came down and in the process, hastened and deepened the economic crash. They sucked billions out of consumer pockets just before the crash. And people seem to have completely forgotten $5.00 – $6.00/gallon gas and not being able to afford filling up their tank. There was widespread knowledge among banks, corporations and the wealthy that the crash was coming, well before it happened. What’s worrying is that we don’t know what they know right now. Is another crash coming? We won’t know until it happens. But we should learn from what happened this time around, any juicing or accelerating of price hikes could be an indicator of corps trying to grab what they can before an impending crash hits. » Posted By AdLib On March 6, 2010 @ 7:22 pm Yep, any concept of a One World Government is instantly exploded when one remembers that the Middle East, Afghanistan, Pakistan, etc. would necessarily need to be included. Oh, and Alaska too. » Posted By AdLib On March 6, 2010 @ 7:09 pm Just to clarify, sometimes NWO is conflated with corporate domination, one represents a global conspiracy while the other merely represents that those with the most wealth have the most power. The degree of control varies from nation to nation though the intent is simple, the more the wealthy can control the political and social power in a nation, the wealthier and more dominant they will be. Where there’s a fork in the road is whether there is a grander vision and collaboration on One Global Government. Just understanding the insatiable greed and lust for power of these entities would tip one off to how undesirable it would be to them to accede ultimate power over to others or an overall organization. Certainly, there is collusion on how entities conduct themselves in different regions but I would suggest it is more like, “You can rob from your people there if I can rob the same way from people over here.” And, “Hey, wouldn’t it be great for our profit margins if we could eliminate the middle class and turn them into low paid serfs, heavily in debt and struggling to pay their bills so they’re desperate for whatever salary we offer them?” That dynamic is very simple. With a strong middle class, more revenue was shared with workers, CEOs earned about 30 times the salary of their average employee. Today it is 300 times. Do any CEOs want to go back to making 1/10th of what they’re making today so the balance can be shared with employees? Of course they want to keep chopping away at the middle class, they profit from it. So, IMO, there is a lot of consensus and collaboration among the wealthiest people and corporations around the world on economic and political control but I see them as independent tyrants. » Posted By AdLib On March 6, 2010 @ 6:58 pm In the world of Star Trek, materialism is transcended. Immense amounts of cheap, non-polluting energy and replicators that can create any material object, make money and banks trivial. Society has come to the conclusion that we are all a part of the same humanity and prejudices no longer trump that. It is quite an ideal image of the future and certainly worthy of being aspired to. Mainly, I just want a phaser and a transporter an I’d be cool. » Posted By AdLib On March 6, 2010 @ 6:18 pm Thanks for posting this amazing speech. Maher played it on his show last night because he was talking to Michael Moore and it’s in his film “Capitalism”. It is really stunning that a president could have such confidence and commitment to what’s right that he would make a speech like this. At the same time, and as Moore’s film illustrates, Americans responded by looking for a Reagan who would instead tell them they could have it all. As Kes said, Carter remains enormously underrated. Had his policies been enforced, with two terms in office and no Reagan, we would likely be energy independent by now and would likely have had more corporate restrictions in place that might have prevented the plutocracy we now live in. » Posted By AdLib On March 6, 2010 @ 11:58 am I think you said it very well yourself! Great minds, and there are many on The Planet, do think alike! » Posted By AdLib On March 6, 2010 @ 11:40 am As for HP, I view it now like a scientist looking through a microscope, with so much distance and detached curiosity. Why are people so drawn to pointless, eternal fighting with ignorant and hateful RWs? There is absolutely nothing to be accomplished, no minds to be changed and no thoughtful conversation to be held for long without being disrupted in a nasty way. I agree, I have no interest in focusing on attacking Repubs. That is not constructive and an utter waste of time. We should indeed be focusing on how we can work together with like-minded people to change things for the better, namely, get to the root of this evil which is the greed of corporations. This is the real WW III. The people against the global corporations. They are the tyrants who have been forcing people into economic oppression, they are the ones who have invaded and taken control over our government and society. They are the foes of The American Dream and American Democracy. As the old saying goes, if you don’t know you’re in a fight, you’ve already lost. Too many Americans are angry but don’t understand why things are the way they are. Perhaps in our working together, at the very least, we can help enlighten people that they have been in a fight for some time and have been losing each round because they’ve had their back turned. It’s time to fight back and fight back hard (but not violently). » Posted By AdLib On March 6, 2010 @ 11:33 am The Right was counter-protesting but they didn’t want change, they just wanted to fight off those protesting for change. So really, the Right was not protesting for anything to change, just the Left. In the current day, it would be Left and Right. They could come together on the one issue of taking back democracy from the wealthy and corporations, I would hope they could but blind rage and fighting against their own interests seem too often the choice for the RW. » Posted By AdLib On March 6, 2010 @ 11:21 am You would think that Obama knows this and the banks and Wall Street were probably not shy about saying, “Pay us what we want or we let the whole dam burst, hundreds of trillions, the country will be destroyed.” I do think that Obama should have been far more innovative when he first came into office about solving the economic crisis. He could have bailed out banks by giving them bailouts that were linked to permanent deductions in all Americans mortgage rates and balances, simultaneously giving them money to stabilize themselves and getting people out from under crushing mortgage debt. Once home prices rose enough, the money could be returned by the banks, they would shoulder the expense appropriately as punishment for causing this crisis. They would have likely earned back as much as they paid back by having the use of that money for years as well. And, Obama could have required the banks to break up just as ATT was broken up, into smaller entities in different regions. But…if they were holding this Doomsday Bomb of trillions of hidden debt over his head, how much choice would he have? It would have been like an economic Cuban Missle Crisis, he could have stood firm and hoped the banks wouldn’t pull the trigger, who knows? This is my second hypothetical scenario in this thread, since we will never know what really goes on in our government anymore, all we can do is guess. » Posted By AdLib On March 6, 2010 @ 11:16 am In the 60’s, the riots and protests came from the Left, minorities, the poor and oppressed, the youth being sent to be slaughtered in Vietnam, etc. Today is very different because if things get that bad, it will be the Left and the Right rioting and protesting and they could be turning on each other instead of focusing on the corporations that are really to blame. This is all hypothetical and I am not a doomsayer but there is a possibility that social upheaval could occur but be deflected by corporations through MSM propaganda, to protect themselves of course, by urging right and left to blame and attack each other. At the same time, such instability would still undermine corporations so they will push all the pharma and distractions they can to keep Americans passive. Could a true movement, a collaboration of Left and Right revolt against corporate ownership of our democracy and nation? I wouldn’t bet on it. Look how people have been manipulated to oppose their own interests in favor of corporate interests on HCR. People would have to be too angry to listen to TV or radio to keep from being turned against each other. It is possible, the nation was united in that way at the beginning of the economic collapse. Just too bad that people need huge suffering or disasters to act as a community to defend their own interests. » Posted By AdLib On March 6, 2010 @ 11:01 am 😆 I wish I could dance like that! » Posted By AdLib On March 5, 2010 @ 9:28 pm Yes, I saw the interview. He did start spinning off into the bigger picture with Blackwater then brought it back. But there is a through line in all of this that’s sobering. » Posted By AdLib On March 5, 2010 @ 9:20 pm Nice when you think of something first! » Posted By AdLib On March 5, 2010 @ 9:19 pm Hey! A big thanks to all for making it a really invigorating and thought provoking Vox Populi tonight! » Posted By AdLib On March 5, 2010 @ 9:16 pm Join Us For Vox Populi Tonight @ 7:00 PM (PST) VOX POPULI IS STARTING! IT RUNS FROM 7-9 PM PST, PLEASE FEEL FREE TO JOIN IN AT ANY TIME. YOU’LL NOW FIND IT AS A WIDGET IN THE RIGHT COLUMN OF EACH PAGE AND ON ITS USUAL PAGE IN FULL SIZE WHICH YOU CAN ACCESS BY CLICKING HERE: https://planetpov.com/live-events/vox-populi/ . » Posted By AdLib On March 26, 2010 @ 7:03 pm Friday Music Thread – Oscar Edition RELOCATED: From BlueStateMan: El Cantante Ruben Blades & Marc Anthony https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5RAinWanMg0 “DAYS OF HEAVEN” Ennio Morricone Terry Malick’s best movie.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EqW3e1CacQk Theme from “Chinatown” My favorite Goldsmith score.
» Posted By AdLib On March 7, 2010 @ 6:34 am I watched this with my daughter on President’s Day. Kind of bittersweet, was nice to feel patriotic outside of the current divisive atmosphere and the politicization of patriotism. Just us in our living room watching a movie from the 1940’s when people from all walks of life were willing to give their lives for democracy, in WWII. That is the past now, Americans have a lot of difficulty now with self-sacrifice and doing something for the greater good…witness what’s happened around something as basic for the public good as HCR. Maybe there are better days ahead, to be really proud of America but we’ll have to get these corporations back in their places for that to happen. » Posted By AdLib On March 5, 2010 @ 9:37 pm In the old days, it wasn’t unusual to be self-taught, learning by watching others in Vaudeville. As you say, he has a very unique style, I wouldn’t be surprised if he never had formal training. » Posted By AdLib On March 5, 2010 @ 9:32 pm VOX POPULI IS ABOUT TO BEGIN! PLEASE JOIN US THERE, CLICK HERE TO GO THERE: https://planetpov.com/live-events/vox-populi/ » Posted By AdLib On March 5, 2010 @ 7:17 pm Me either! » Posted By AdLib On March 5, 2010 @ 6:34 pm I’m still a big Bogart fan but more recently, I realized that it was Cagney who I always found the most charismatic, he had such an amazing charisma, you just can’t stop watching him. » Posted By AdLib On March 5, 2010 @ 6:24 pm KQ – Thanks for reminding me of war films. Two from Apocalypse Now: The End – Doors Satisfaction – Rolling Stones » Posted By AdLib On March 5, 2010 @ 6:20 pm I’m a big Cagney fan. Public Enemy, The Roaring Twenties and White Heat round out the best gangster films of his with Angels. A bit of trivia, he started in vaudeville as a song and dance man and though he played gangsters, he really preferred singing and dancing in films. So, Yankee Doodle Dandy was no doubt very enjoyable for him. » Posted By AdLib On March 5, 2010 @ 6:11 pm See ya Lise, don’t be a stranger! » Posted By AdLib On March 5, 2010 @ 6:08 pm Heh! Just posted Ennio’s “The Good, The Bad and The Ugly” under your “Once Upon a Time in America”! Glad you posted Fistful, love that too. » Posted By AdLib On March 5, 2010 @ 6:07 pm As long as we’re talking Ennio Morricone…
» Posted By AdLib On March 5, 2010 @ 6:05 pm Patsy, thanks for reminding me of Gershwin. The opening of Manhattan is a beautiful cinematic backdrop for his Rhapsody in Blue:
» Posted By AdLib On March 5, 2010 @ 5:53 pm Very cool, my mom looked a bit like Liz too, often got that compliment. » Posted By AdLib On March 5, 2010 @ 5:49 pmComments Posted By AdLib
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1b26BD5KjH0
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