Vox Populi, our weekly live chat about the week’s events begins tonight at 7:00pm PDT. Hope to see you then!
AdLib8 hours ago
Evening good friends!
choicelady
2 hours ago
Hi CL!
AdLib2 hours ago
Evening!
AdLib2 hours ago
Hey AD! Great to see you, so to speak
choicelady
2 hours ago
How are things with you?
AdLib2 hours ago
Doing OK and you?
choicelady
2 hours ago
Doing well! Better than some people.
AdLib2 hours ago
Let me guess who…
choicelady
2 hours ago
I think you can guess. Did you see that RFK Jr. confessed to storing roadkill in his freezer?
AdLib2 hours ago
Word on Twitter is that there was no plane emergency for Trump. It was learning that 400 people were waiting for him. The arena filled in w about MAYBE 1000
choicelady
2 hours ago
That’s hilarious!!!
AdLib2 hours ago
Ad – yes, and while I sort of like that idea for poor people, it creeps me out for rich ones.
choicelady
2 hours ago
Yep, he’s seriously deranged.
AdLib2 hours ago
RFK, Jr. is just nasty. No other word for him. I met him in 1973 and thought he was creepy then.
choicelady
2 hours ago
Hey TW!
AdLib2 hours ago
TW!!!! How are you!
choicelady
2 hours ago
Hey everyone Happy Friday
twilson117
2 hours ago
Happy Friday back atcha!
choicelady
2 hours ago
CL I’m doing ok for an old man 
twilson117
2 hours ago
Well, TW, I’m an old woman, so I feel you.
choicelady
2 hours ago
Hey Murph!
AdLib2 hours ago
Question for TW cuz Ad is too young – do you find yourself thinking you’re years younger than you actually are?
choicelady
2 hours ago
MURPH!!
choicelady
2 hours ago
Hey gang!…Happy week for me.
MurphTheSurf3
2 hours ago
Murph – that is superb to read!
choicelady
2 hours ago
Hello Ad, Choice and TW….the Friday Night Holy Trinity plus one.
MurphTheSurf3
2 hours ago
CL us older folks need to stick together so we can teach the young ones a thing or two. You paying attention Ad???
twilson117
2 hours ago
The Four Muskateers?
AdLib2 hours ago
TW – there you go. I’m with you!
choicelady
2 hours ago
Ad – that works. That’s who we are.
choicelady
2 hours ago
TW….did you get my note re. Yabberz?
MurphTheSurf3
2 hours ago
Muketeers
AdLib2 hours ago
Musketeers.
AdLib2 hours ago
Murph is in the house the party can officially begin. Murph quick question the young lady that lost in 6th place I believe what the hell is her story??
twilson117
2 hours ago
Ad – NOBODY can spell it. Not to worry.
choicelady
2 hours ago
Anti-Musk-eteers.
AdLib2 hours ago
Ad – THAT is who we are!
choicelady
2 hours ago
Anyone know where PPO is? I never heard if he’s back from Ireland.
choicelady
2 hours ago
TW….the young lady that lost in 6th place. ???? I need more context.
MurphTheSurf3
2 hours ago
I have dibs on D’Arttagnan
twilson117
2 hours ago
CL – So what was the whole story about Trump and his plane and the rally?
AdLib2 hours ago
All – there’s not a lot of room for an equal in the Musketeers for a female.
choicelady
2 hours ago
Murph she was running for the House I believe
twilson117
2 hours ago
Murph – The woman in MO who ran for AG I think who used a flamethrower on books in her campaign video?
AdLib2 hours ago
TW…are you referring to Cori Bush?
MurphTheSurf3
2 hours ago
The word is that his plane had a mechanical problem, set down in Billings. That’s a 2-hour drive to Bozeman. Rumors of course of sabotage after the “assassination” attempt. But in fact, i do not think he wanted to go to such a DISMAL reception. I have no heard if he showed up or not.
choicelady
2 hours ago
Valentina Gomez, a self-described “America First-Maga” Republican, came in sixth in Tuesday’s eight-person primary, with 7.4% of the vote.
AdLib2 hours ago
Murph no it was someone else a full throated maga can’t think of her name I will see if I can find it in bit
twilson117
2 hours ago
All – if it was the flame thowing AG candidate OR Cori, both lost, and the world is righteous once again.
choicelady
2 hours ago
Ad is on the ball that is her thanks Ad.
twilson117
2 hours ago
Ad…here is the flame throwing book burner.
MurphTheSurf3
2 hours ago
So, how is everyone feeling about Kamala/Walz growing their margin and winning in Nobv?
AdLib2 hours ago
Nov
AdLib2 hours ago
Murph what a fool, I have other words, but I can’t use them here
twilson117
2 hours ago
The whole thing is amazing. Harris-Walz is simply stunning. Perfect pair!
choicelady
2 hours ago
TW….did you see my note re. Yabberz on Facebook….
MurphTheSurf3
2 hours ago
I don’t believe I did. Haven’t been out to FB this week
twilson117
2 hours ago
I think we will win. The naysayers aren’t seeing it, the lefty dismissers are a joke, and I think she brings something we haven’t had since Obama – HOPE. I LOVE Walz with her, too. You read my gut level Nebraska-roots adoration for the guy in our email. But he fulfills something primal in millions of people.
choicelady
2 hours ago
Harris/Walz….it’s got that Obama feel….it really does.
MurphTheSurf3
2 hours ago
The dumbest MAGA defense I’ve heard is claiming the rise of Kamala/Walz is due to a “honeymoon period” and will just as quickly disappear. Sorry but I have to say, morons,
AdLib2 hours ago
TW….I will resend an e mail to you.
MurphTheSurf3
2 hours ago
Murph – Yes, but it seems to have even more momentum than Obama!
AdLib2 hours ago
Murph – yes, it does. Walz gives us the “your neighbor is here for you” vibe even Biden didn’t provide. Anyone follow Trey Crowder a Southern liberal comedian? His take on it is fantastic.
choicelady
2 hours ago
Ad I read that as well so little do they know.
twilson117
2 hours ago
Murph thanks
twilson117
2 hours ago
I think Walz gives the ticket a bigger bump than Biden gave Obama.
AdLib2 hours ago
Ad – we NEEDED something to uplift and give us hope. Even Bush didn’t make us fear for our entire way of life as Trump and his fascist cronies are.
choicelady
2 hours ago
Ad….Obama in the South in 2008 was on fire…..his rallies, his personal appearances…the over all energy very much like now…….
MurphTheSurf3
2 hours ago
Ad didn’t she just take a leap in the polls just the other day
twilson117
2 hours ago
Ad – Honeymoon periods don’t bring out these kinds of people. MASSES of people and a lot of them NOT predictable. MSM has yet to catch up.
choicelady
2 hours ago
BRB
AdLib2 hours ago
TW – Harris-Walz are ahead nationally and in every swing state. GA can have its cabal – all that they will get is charges of conspiracy and collusion. What asshats ANNOUNCE in ADVANCE they will do something THAT illegal???
choicelady
2 hours ago
I agree that Walz is not Biden for Obama. Biden was an “institutional choice”, a Washington insider, and wise old hand….all things Obama’ people saw as helping him bUT Biden did not raise the heat in that campaign ….Walz is an entirely different pick for very different reasons AND he is more than meeting expectations.
MurphTheSurf3
2 hours ago
I have an overall question for all of you and Murph since you’re an educator I think you will recognize this. It seems to me that our younger people cannot seem to handle complex sentences and references to events that happen some time back, like WWII
twilson117
2 hours ago
Walz is amazing – he’s so perfect AND off the wall, so to speak, by being EXACTLY who we all are. Even Sarah Palin couldn’t honestly find fault with him. He is “Minnesota nice” and it’s real.
choicelady
2 hours ago
Choice….the U.S. legal community at many levels appears to be raising up a banner in opposition to the right wing conspiracy that has been hatched. Good.
MurphTheSurf3
2 hours ago
TW – the lack of knowledge of the past makes me cringe. But it’s not universal
choicelady
2 hours ago
CL please expand on the not universal
twilson117
2 hours ago
Murph – we have legal boots on the ground in every state where corrupt election officials have been placed.
choicelady
2 hours ago
TW…your observation is correct. The dumbing down of the American Mind is most obvious in the young. Political, Economic and Social Literacy have been undermined readily and steadily.
MurphTheSurf3
2 hours ago
TW – we have a number of extremely aware young people and a lot who are really dim. Not sure why there’s a difference because it’s not regional, class, race that make that difference. Worth figuring out.
choicelady
2 hours ago
I will make the anecdotal observation that immigrants are smarter than native born unless native born are POC. We white folks tend to be dimmer than any other group. Except here on Vox, of course….
choicelady
an hour ago
Murph and CL thanks for the input I feel the same way. But I have to admit I find it concerning. I will leave at that.
twilson117
an hour ago
It’s concerning to me because I wonder if they can understand what they stand to lose if Trump were to get back in.
twilson117
an hour ago
TW – the dumbing of America started after Vietnam. My mother taught school and retired after 20 years because the final three years were intolerable in the emphasis on simplifying what kids had to know and encouraging stupidity. That was 1973-76. Fairly affluent white Chicago suburb, and stupid was the name of the game. Schools and even parents decided they didn’t want the smart kids of the protest years. It worked.
choicelady
an hour ago
Cl yes there are
twilson117
an hour ago
I was in the classroom at the tertiary level (college) for nearly 40 years and I saw the disappearance of the civics exams that were a standard marker in both junior and senior hight, the elimination of civics courses, accompanied by a widening body of practically illiterate students (i.e who set aside the importance of reading and dismissed anything that disagreed with their “guts”)
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
I’m back. I think the dynamics in this election are very unique. Kamala’s candidacy kind of broke the damn of dread Biden supporters were fighting off but even bigger, blew up the general discomfort that change was not on the menu as things continue to disintegrate in this country, economy, and society. Now, looking deeper into the “hope” issue, is that the status quo is no longer on the ticket and real change that helps our democracy and people, is.
AdLiban hour ago
Ad – today on Twitter someone dismissed the hope as “retread” New Deal. Yawn. Well, here to say THAT IS OK WITH ME!!! Those are Keynesian views that have always worked. The so called progressives have NO understanding of political economy any more than MAGA do. So I’m all for the New New Deal. It freaking WORKS.
choicelady
an hour ago
Murph you’ve touched on a very important aspect of what is a major problem not just for young people but for older ones as well. Like Ad just posted Harris has broken the damn and she represent the change that regardless of what the founders did is happening here in the country.
twilson117
an hour ago
The whole vouchers scheme is to blow up ALL education and lock future generations into an oppression of ignorance. Bankrupt public schools, leave unregulated, poor educating public schools in their place and build an oversupply of uneducated, unskilled workers who can be dominated by the wealthy.
AdLiban hour ago
The thing about Harris is she is clearly representative of the society today and what it will be in the future.
twilson117
an hour ago
TW – hubs just asked me why, ungrammatically, the Constitution refers to a “more perfect union”. It has always been my belief that they gave us what, for 1789 was great and all KNEW that future generations had to perfect it as they went along. “Perfect” is one of the absolute words – unless you’re sending a signal that maybe it won’t always be. You have to grow, change, move to include new information and people.’
choicelady
an hour ago
The Kunce campaign planners have been meeting for days now re. how to become part of the Harris Ticket Wave…..We have a meeting of core volunteers tomorrow morning at five locations linked via Zoom. I will be at the St. Louis one.
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
Murph break out the surf board. 
twilson117
an hour ago
Murph – I SO hope this works for him. I really like him and detest whatever his name is. Blanked on it, he is that bad.
choicelady
an hour ago
BRB
choicelady
an hour ago
CL – SO funny! MAGAs are so frantic to push back the massive Blue Wave rising against them, they say more and more stupid things. Saying “this is just a New Deal retread” is like saying, “This meal is just a copy of a really delicious gourmet meal.” Huh? We like delicious food, why do you think we wouldn’t like it because there have been other delicious meals made in the past? Morons.
AdLiban hour ago
Choice….”more perfect union” was in reference to the less than acceptable Articles of Confederation.
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
CL it’s interesting what you husband said about the ungrammatically phrase I was pulling a quote from Franklin for a piece I’m writing and Grammarly was have a little problem with it.
twilson117
an hour ago
Harleigh is the house!!! How are you??
twilson117
an hour ago
Hey guys!
Harleigh
an hour ago
doing ok
Harleigh
an hour ago
Ad….I had a Magat tell me that the New Deal was a communist conspiracy that Eisenhower overturned. Yep.
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
TW – Harris isn’t kjust heading into breaking the glass ceiling for women, she’s breaking the oppression of hopelessness over America FINALLY doing the things the majority has wanted done for decades. This is even different and more powerful than what Obama represented.
AdLiban hour ago
Hey Harleigh!
AdLiban hour ago
Ad amen to that.
twilson117
an hour ago
Harleigh….hot convo happening here……how are things in your neck of the woods.
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
Ad…I agree, this is Obama’s Mantra supercharged.
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
Harleigh!!! Lovely to see you!
choicelady
an hour ago
Waiting for my mail-in ballot and listening to all the repube crazy talk.
Harleigh
an hour ago
Choice..left a note re. “More Perfect Union” meaning better than The Articles of Confederation.
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
Ad – we never should forget that the path for Harris-Walz was laid by Biden. HE is the leader on restoring the New Deal programs. HE led on asserting the primacy of the ordinary people. She walks the walk in her own way but inherits a wonderful highway upon which to trod.
choicelady
an hour ago
Murph I read that somewhere else can’t remember where, but I also believe Jamie Raskin mentioned in a lecture he was giving at Darthmouth.
twilson117
an hour ago
CL – Hubby is right on the money, The Founders wanted this concept of a democratic government to be seen as something transcendent BUT they knew it wasn’t “perfect” nor could it provide for how the country would change in the future. Basically, they knew they had to compromise to get it done and various things in it, many knew were far from perfect. But rather than insult the Southerners who were very hard to pull in and sign the Constitution, they made clear in their own way, these compromises and oversights need to be addressed.
AdLiban hour ago
CL…Biden’s place in History, if all goes as I hope it does, will be keynoted by his standing down to let Kamala rise up.
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
Murph – I don’t think it was meant to look back but forward. It’s not just better than the Articles but lays the ground for the future they couldn’t see.
choicelady
an hour ago
Murph – NO question about his amazing act of self sacrifice that opened the door to Harris. NO doubt. But she will inherit his work and maybe many of his people. It’s all good.
choicelady
an hour ago
Murph – The defeat of Trump will go a long way to crushing the Dunning Krueger mentality of these idiot MAGAS who think if they make up stupid stuff, they can still argue it makes sense. They will be pushed back under their rocks and leaderless.
AdLiban hour ago
Ad the founders also expected those who came after them would work to make it a better document not seal it in plex glass and just have it looked at. It’s supposed to be a living document but certain members are afraid to change it.
twilson117
an hour ago
Ad and CL>……it is necessary to see the Constitution as a work in progress hurriedly pull together as the “union” created by the Articles of Confederation was in danger of shattering with slavery being only one of the issues pulling apart an alliance of “states” (i.e. a synonym for nation in the 18th century). was splitting at the seams.
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
Ad we just have to make sure we keep the lemon juice away from them.
twilson117
an hour ago
Just got a not 20k people showed up for Harris and Walz
twilson117
an hour ago
Murph – absolutely accurate on the urgency of the Constitution. But they laid the ground for hope and change as well. I don’t think it was accidental.
choicelady
an hour ago
Ad….the Trump flags that started to go up have begun coming down….the weekly mini-rallies have stopped……mention Trump’s name to Trumpers and they are likely to change the topic.
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
TW – the 20K is MORE than the arena holds . SRO. And Trump got MAYBE 1000 when all was said and done.
choicelady
an hour ago
CL – ABSOLUTELY! Joe Biden deserves enormous and historical credit for making this singular decision to not only drop out, not only be adamant about Kamala being the nominee, but working with her and her team to make her his unquestionable replacement on that Sunday by locking down delegates and endorsements, blocking any other Dem from tearing the party apart in a contested convention. Biden should be remembered along with our greatest presidents.
AdLiban hour ago
Murph – even in your community this is happening? Trump remorse>
choicelady
an hour ago
Ad – Biden is one of the best, no question.
choicelady
an hour ago
CL…I have no doubt that they saw the Constitution as organic and a work in progress…but wishing 10 years it was frozen solid which led to the rising waves of crises associate with a number of matters, slavery the most significant but not only one)
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
I don’t know how you all feel about Lawrence O’Donnell but he took it to the press in his show.
twilson117
an hour ago
What happened to Harleigh?
choicelady
an hour ago
TW – You nailed it! Wholly agree about The Founders’ intention that the Constitution be a living and changing document.
AdLiban hour ago
TW – Lawrence was STUNNING last night. The Edward R. Murrow of our time.
choicelady
an hour ago
Lawrence is among my top picks for sober analysis
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
CL we all know that 1000 will turn into 1 million, just as said he had more people at his Jan 6 event than King did at the million man march.
twilson117
an hour ago
Murph – Lawrence said his time working for Moynihan was powerful training for his job now. Agreed.
choicelady
an hour ago
Cl he took no prisoners last night.
twilson117
an hour ago
TW –
choicelady
an hour ago
CL…forgot that important bit of background.
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
TW I’m laughing at Trump not your comment about L. O’Donnell.
choicelady
an hour ago
Murph – You’re so right as always about the historical sensibilities of The Founders and how they saw The Constitution.
AdLiban hour ago
All I’ve said it before and will keep saying I will never understand those who support Trump believe his lies. I’ve had it explained to me it’s cult behavior, but it still blows my mind.it just does.
twilson117
an hour ago
CL I got that
twilson117
an hour ago
Anyone ever read Joan Didion’s “My year of magical thinking”? She was describing her mental state after her husband died. That, to me is understandable. MAGA magical thinking is not. but it infuses their every action.
choicelady
an hour ago
Murph – That is fantastic news! Sure sounds like not only Trump but his MAGAs have come to accept that he’s going to lose. The practical importance of that is that MAGA turnout will be depressed and Kamala could win by a far bigger margin. After all, why bother to vote when you believe your candidate has already lost?
AdLiban hour ago
TW I agree with the inability to understand Trump supporters. I’ve read a lot about willful illusions from space ship cults to End Times, and I STILL DO NOT GET IT.
choicelady
an hour ago
CL it the same when he said he was in a helicopter with Willie Brown, Brown said it never happened it was reported out later it was Jerry Brown and if I recall he doesn’t seem to remember the way Trump does. The man is losing his marbles and he was calling Biden senile
twilson117
an hour ago
TW – we could have survived Donald calling Joe senile. We could not survive the predatory media saying the same.
choicelady
an hour ago
Cl, I’m guessing you’re referring to When Prophecy Fails Book, haven’t finished but I’m getting an idea how it’s going to end.
twilson117
an hour ago
I keep losing my connection….back again.
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
TW – I never thought in When Prophecy Fails they actually came up with an explanation only a very good description. It’s useful, but it’s not helpful, if you see my point.
choicelady
an hour ago
TW…send a resend of early note to you at timwilson@tawilsonassociates.com Is that correct?
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
Murph – I figured that was the problem. In MAGA world it would be an intentional conspiracy against you. In rational world, it’s a bad connection.
choicelady
an hour ago
Murph that is correct.
twilson117
an hour ago
Okay, let’s do some imagining. The night of the election, if Trump loses by a big margin and his attempts to overthrow the election fail…what happens next? Facing prison time, does Trump overtly or covertly try to orchestrate a guerilla war against those who voted against him, more attacks on power stations, mass shootings, bombings of bridges, etc. to destabilize the country and its government? Does he try this and it fails to materialize? Does he escape to Saudi Arabia or some other “Trump-friendly” country to escape imprisonment? Does he look like a loser and MAGA’s leave him and disappear into the woodwork? What do you think will happen?
AdLiban hour ago
Ad…the Mega fires are definitely dying out.
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
Murph just saw it on my phone will check it out thanks.
twilson117
an hour ago
TW….my page shows it was sent and received.
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
Murph just read it. About not putting up an image on FB correct?
twilson117
an hour ago
Ad…the Mega Mega fires…that is.
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
Ad – not sure, given the persistent jailing of J6 people, that there will be much uprising. But there will be some. I know there are wildcat groups that will continue to shoot up power plants, etc. but Trump does NOT have his hands on the forces of social control this time. He will rely on the people he got in place who will refuse to certify, and they will, as they did in 2020, run up against the courts. BUT THIS TIME because they announced IN ADVANCE they were going to do it, they face criminal charges of conspiracy and collusion. That will cool their jets considerably. We have people IN PALCE to file immediately against them.
choicelady
an hour ago
Murph – Sure sounds like if she is putting out the MAGA fires, we could nickname Kamala, “The Extinguisher”.
AdLiban hour ago
What happens if Trump loses…..the indictments against him muddy the waters…pushing him to reckless action I think but the Scotus is his “Trump Card” protecting his flanks. Given that…I think he fights…madly….but the Mega Tide ebbs very quickly….Your idea of fleeing the country…that is my pick.
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
CL I had the feeling Prophecy is not going to turn out the way the folks want it, but have to finish it, if I don’t it will drive me nuts just a small touch of OCD when it comes to things like reading. It’s like I told a friend earlier today I will read/review Project 2025 when I finish Don Quixote, which I have to start from the beginning because I lost my place.
twilson117
an hour ago
CL – Good points and I fully agree about Trump, his cronies and much of the GOP comitting flat out treason and conspiracy to overthrow the government of the US for setting up this assault on certifying the election. But we’ll need a tough and unyielding AG in a Harris Admin to go full bore on prosecuting all involved.
AdLiban hour ago
All – I still think Trump may flee to a country w no extradition but one far more open to luxurious living than SA or Russia. I think he has some options where he could open a MAL East in, say Brunei. The sultan is a tyrant, just his cup of tea. Don’t know. But I also feel sure the FBI etc. have discovered his offshore accounts and will shut them down leaving him strapped for funds and no longer useful to his puppet masters.
choicelady
an hour ago
CL….I know an attorney here is a staunch conservative but he tells me that the word being passed through the ranks of those who lean Trump in his profession is “DON’T EVEN THINK OF TRYING TO SUBVERT THE ELECTION”
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
CL there is a nice little island off the cost of Brazil he can go to.
twilson117
an hour ago
CL – Don’t forget that Bannon, Stone, Flynn, Project 2025 people are all conspiring on stealing the presidency by blocking certification, there could very well be an organized assault on the country if the coup fails and they see themselves vulnerable to prison. They will at least try to whip up an insurrection to stop all that.
AdLiban hour ago
TW…LITTLE ISLAND…LITTLE MAN….
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
Murph – I think SCOTUS isn’t the help he thinks it is. They actually did not give a lot of immunity so much as they extended their OWN power to say what was and wasn’t immune. They have never, even this week, done a thing for him. He did not get the sentencing delay, did not get the gag order lifted. They aren’t his pals. They are playing the long game. He’s disposable now – he’s so weak. Project 2025 can easily be postponed. They waited 40 years. They can wait until someone who isn’t Trump or JD is eager to run.
choicelady
an hour ago
Ad – there will be spotty uprisings, but already DOJ is shutting them down. I get the daily briefs from DOJ, and they have made HUGE inroads on the would be next wave.
choicelady
an hour ago
TW – perfect. Wherever he goes, however, he may not have money. Wouldn’t that be sad….NOT.
choicelady
an hour ago
CL..A CHILLING ANALYSIS…but, how does the “reform and re-form the court affect what they do to protect Trump”?
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
Murph – I think the SCOTUS will tremble at the thought of trying to help Trump steal the presidency once Kamala is clearly the winner. Biden has already announced his SCOTUS reform and IMO, a frightened Gorsich warned him to “be careful”. I think their fear of an empowered Kamala with a big majority behind her would be likely.
AdLiban hour ago
Murph this island I’m thinking about is perfect for him and trust me if he went he be right at home lll da Quemada
twilson117
an hour ago
Murph – If he does flee, what country do you think he’d flee to?
AdLiban hour ago
Dealing w SCOTUS corruption requires law to remove immunity issues and expanding/term limiting them, demanding economic and special interest accountability.
choicelady
an hour ago
Ad..if Trump loses….will the court attempt to block the Biden reform which will be picked up by the Harris admin?
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
TW – VERY good idea, that island!!!
choicelady
an hour ago
Ad the one with all the gold of course 
twilson117
44 minutes ago
Murph – don’t see how they could without destroying their hand. If they try to stop reform, the president falls back on immunity and legal precedent. They aren’t as powerful as they think. W a solid congress – impeachment.
choicelady
44 minutes ago
CL he be right at home, and the will be glad to see him.
twilson117
43 minutes ago
TW – all good. Just so Donnie is happy, right?
choicelady
43 minutes ago
CL – I like your proposition but I would add to it that a traitor to the US who would still command at least some MAGAs would represent a clear and present danger. Anyone who has read history about Napolean and Elbow would know that Trump couldn’t be allowed to “escape”. Brunei has no meaningful military and a Seal Team 6 mission to grab Trump and bring him back to the US would be pretty amazing.
AdLib43 minutes ago
CL well, I don’t know it he will be happy but the guest really won’t care.
twilson117
43 minutes ago
Ad…no real idea…..he will want to be comfortable but that is about all he would get…. I suspect that he would be treated as an exile stuck where. he is and limited in every aspect….both sides (the U.S. and the asylum nation…would bide their time…..he is OLD and not well.
MurphTheSurf3
42 minutes ago
I read that Brown is 5 points ahead in OH, Tester 5 points ahead in MT, and so on. Gallegos leading Lake by over 5. The march of the theocrats is not working.
choicelady
42 minutes ago
CL I should have said the owners
twilson117
41 minutes ago
Murph – it is not remotely kind of me, but I wake up every morning hoping upon hope that he will have blown a gasket.
choicelady
41 minutes ago
Murph – That’s very good to hear! If any halfway intelligent lawyer looked at what has happened to nearly all of the lawyers who helped Trump further his crimes, theywould never sign up to lose their license and go to prison.
AdLib41 minutes ago
CL…it is the impeachment threat that is the most potent IF there has been a blue wave.
MurphTheSurf3
41 minutes ago
Ad no one is saying there isn’t danger. But it’s not an overwhelming one. All these dudes are infiltrated, observed, listened to. And the rank and file are worn out. They, like the religious right, went too far and burned their bridges with followers.
choicelady
40 minutes ago
I saw where Smith is asking Chunkan to push out the hearing date for Trump’s doc case
twilson117
39 minutes ago
Murph – it all comes down to a strong and united Congress.
choicelady
39 minutes ago
CL – I think the DoJ will be unapologetic about taking down any and every MAGA who attacks our people or infrastructure as part of a revenge plot in Trump’s name. But as you say, I expect some to happen and I wouldn’t be surprised if Flynn has already put together a plan of attack.
AdLib39 minutes ago
TW – Smith has something up his sleeve.
choicelady
39 minutes ago
Ad – Flynn’s Army plus Erik Prince still is a microdot in the universe.
choicelady
38 minutes ago
CL I believe so it’s being reported he is going through the material but I agree with you I believe he is going to make this as airtight as he can
twilson117
38 minutes ago
Kunce is going to his Hawley VERY HARD. Hawley wanted to have a debate with Kunce this weekend at the state fair…..Kunce said he would debate. him. Hawley then added that there would be no moderators just a free for all with an audience. Kunce said “no way” and then the state fair bosses stepped in and stopped the whole thing….they have gotten a lot of push back from magas for that and I find that interesting…the fair willing to risk mega ire.
MurphTheSurf3
37 minutes ago
The FBI and private anti TW groups have had Flynn, Prince, and several others are under deep surveillance
choicelady
36 minutes ago
We do. need a united Congress but the Senate control remains very uncertain…still favoring the GOP.
MurphTheSurf3
35 minutes ago
Murph Hawley wanted to debate??? Now that’s funny.
twilson117
35 minutes ago
They do have training camps and compounds. We are talking hundreds, not thousands, of people. WE have the Guard and military. Nasty, sure. Successful? No.
choicelady
35 minutes ago
CL – A suggestion about what Smith is up to. Maybe, he refiles charges against Trump for th 90% of his case that are inarguably private acts, the ones specisfically stipulated to by Trump’s lawyer in the SCOTUS hearing as only bein private. Nothing to win appeal on with SCOTUS to throw out charges that Trump has already stipulated are not covered by the immunity ruling.
AdLib34 minutes ago
TW…at the state fair where he could have his kind of people….Kunce, I think, lured him in, and he overplayed his hand with a no rules grudge match
MurphTheSurf3
34 minutes ago
Murph it’s my understanding that Hawley uses his sister’s address but lives elsewhere why are the people in your state ok with that?
twilson117
34 minutes ago
CL – FLunn and Prince’s “army” would be obliterated by a single attack helicopter, end of story.
AdLib33 minutes ago
Ad – since Smith can’t collaborate with Chutkan, I think that’s right. Pull what is entirely private. I do think a solid case that running for re-election is NOT an official duty can be made. It’s self interested. We shall see.
choicelady
33 minutes ago
TW….they are stupid, racist, nasty, mean spirited, angry, aggrieved and paranoid.
MurphTheSurf3
33 minutes ago
Ad – yup. Prince has camps – some say one is near me in Galt, but they aren’t huge.
choicelady
33 minutes ago
Murph will that sums it up rather nicely.
twilson117
32 minutes ago
TW….Hawley lives in Va and uses his sister’s Ozark address. Here is the story.
MurphTheSurf3
31 minutes ago
That is one thing we need to change: You can’t run for federal office if you haven’t lived in the state for two years.
choicelady
31 minutes ago
Murph – The GOP has definitely been in a better position on winning the Senate, more Dems up and some in Red states and swing states. But consider, if this does end up being a landslide win for Kamala, it could turn out that having so many Dem candidates riding the Kamala wave in 2024 could end up being a disaster for the GOP.
AdLib31 minutes ago
And KEEP living in the state!!!
choicelady
30 minutes ago
TW and that is only a partial list…..
MurphTheSurf3
30 minutes ago
Ad…that scenario is what it would take….a Kamala Wave
MurphTheSurf3
29 minutes ago
Murph I always thought the Senators and House Members had to live in the state they represented.
twilson117
29 minutes ago
Ad – Brown is up 5, Tester up 5, Gallego up 6. Not seeing a problem keeping the Senate. Casey should do fine, Baldwin fine. The woman in FL is ahead of Rick Scott (NEVER can remember her name).
choicelady
29 minutes ago
TW…me too, but clearly that is not so.
MurphTheSurf3
29 minutes ago
CL it’s good to see those numbers for those folks
twilson117
29 minutes ago
It is possible that Cruz will get beat.
choicelady
29 minutes ago
CL….your list is encouraging.
MurphTheSurf3
28 minutes ago
Murph yeah Tuberville showed us that
twilson117
28 minutes ago
That is not a ‘bounce’ but a steady upward progression for them aqll.
choicelady
28 minutes ago
All.
choicelady
27 minutes ago
Murph – Indeed. Imagine now that a Kamala/Blue Tsunami in Nov could also sweep in Senate seats in FL, TX, etc, Red states that are otherwise difficult for Dems to win. Add in the discouragement of MAGAs to come out and vote for Trump if they already see him as helpless to lose the election. Some Red Senate seats could be flipped.
AdLib27 minutes ago
Hey…..I just opened a package…and I got one of those hunter cams caps with the Dem Ticket Logo that are making waves…….I do not know who sent it.
MurphTheSurf3
27 minutes ago
CL – Yes! Those polling numbers sure do paint a realistic scenario of Dems not only winning The Senate and House but enlarging their majority in The Senate.
AdLib26 minutes ago
Boebert is toast, but I’m not sure about MTG. I’ve seen zero polling on her. Angela Alsobrooks is doing OK. Rosen in NV, tight but slightly ahead.
choicelady
26 minutes ago
Ad…..it is good to hope….good to dream….and good to plan for the worst.
MurphTheSurf3
26 minutes ago
Murph – How cool is that! What a great siurprise that hat is!
AdLib25 minutes ago
CL….the candidate tracker par excellance
MurphTheSurf3
25 minutes ago
CL it sounds like Boebert son is about to go to jail
twilson117
25 minutes ago
Ad…I think it may be from an Obama campaign friend.
MurphTheSurf3
25 minutes ago
Murph – the old adage applies: Hope for the best. Prepare for the worst. I’m still scouting property in British Columbia. I cannot stay here – already targeted. And we had the definitive talk tonight. i am NOT getting a gun.
choicelady
25 minutes ago
TW…what is Boebert charged with.
MurphTheSurf3
25 minutes ago
Boebert in chains? Her heart’s desire.
choicelady
24 minutes ago
Murph – Appreciate your reserve but I am getting more and more optimistic. And I wouldn’t count Kunce out, Hawley’s desperation at trying to stage a rigged debate displays fear from him at the polling numbers.
AdLib24 minutes ago
Her son is charge with thief various items out cars and I think a B&E not sure about the B&E but he could be facing some time
twilson117
23 minutes ago
CL…..I got a gun…actually guns….and I make a show of going to the practice ranges…I also have signage at all entrances to my property that note 24 hour surveillance and armed vigilance. In this pit, I got to play by their rules.
MurphTheSurf3
22 minutes ago
Even the betting sites now favor Kamala as winning the election. It’s not a poll but it is people putting their money at risk which bodes well for the likelihood of Americans having the same sentiment.
AdLib22 minutes ago
Ad – I have felt for some time that the Kunce/Hawley polling might not be all that solid. The more Red the state, the less reliable the polls because pollsters take the slovenly easy way to find people.
choicelady
22 minutes ago
TW….haven’t Boebert’s kids disassociated from her.
MurphTheSurf3
22 minutes ago
Murph – her eldest is in prison, so yeah, technically he is a gonner. Don’t know about any of the others.
choicelady
21 minutes ago
Murph can’t speak to that but read early she was in the court as support but typing away on her phone repeating the lie about Walz stolen valor Vance started.
twilson117
20 minutes ago
CL….your insight re. polling. here is correct. Polling has to be paid for and the media here would rather NOT have poling that might show a lean toward a Dem because that cuts into circulation and audience.
MurphTheSurf3
20 minutes ago
JD’s own record was a cushy billet in Iraq, zero combat, and the majority in the PR office in N. Carolina. He shouldn’t talk.
choicelady
20 minutes ago
CL – Modern day polling science is fatally flawed. What can’t be measured is all the young people and women registering, the MAGA discouragement to vote if Trump seems doomed to lose, the power of Roe being overturned, the bubbling anger at all the SCOTUS has done, fear of Project 2025, etc. I think many could be hugely surprised by Kamala’s and Dems’ margins of victory in Nov.
AdLib19 minutes ago
CL..but talking is all he has shown he can do.
MurphTheSurf3
19 minutes ago
Did any of you watch the so called Trump Press Conference……who’s carrying the “old man with the waning mind” badge now?
MurphTheSurf3
18 minutes ago
During Nixon McGovern we had some improvement in polling results that turned out to be highly flawed. The polls skew so hard to the GOP and so rarely take into account the POC and youth vote. Hard to know.
choicelady
18 minutes ago
CL I don’t even think JD got the stolen valor right, I thought it was primarily about medals and service they didn’t receive or service they performed
twilson117
18 minutes ago
Murph – I have tried three times to listen to the press conference. Just can’t.
choicelady
17 minutes ago
CL….I watched it with popcorn in hand……..loved it.
MurphTheSurf3
16 minutes ago
Can anyone suggest a likely event that could happen that could give Trump a boost or Kamala a drop? My proposition is that there is nothing that can happen (an assassination didn’t even work!) to help Trump with bringing over more voters and Kamala is protected by a force field of being the centerpiece of a movement to save and fix our country.
AdLib16 minutes ago
And Trump has apparently agreed to debate Kamala on ABC. An act of desperation that I think, will destroy him even more.
AdLib15 minutes ago
TW Walz served at the highest non com rank but never completed the school and did not retire w that rank. So they call it ‘stolen valor’. No, he served. He never said he retired w that rank. Then he had a cap w the Special Forces logo they screamed at him for wearing. Chances are it was a present to him. Then they called him a deserter for retiring 10 months before his unit was deployed to Iraq, three months before they even heard about it. This WILL burn out. He’s what he says he is.
choicelady
14 minutes ago
Murph – well, there’s where I went wrong. I didn’t have the popcorn.
choicelady
14 minutes ago
Ad, two excellent posts…..force field protected Jedi knight vs. deeply wounded emperor want to be.
MurphTheSurf3
14 minutes ago
Ad I think the only ones that may be able to hurt her is the press itself. They don’t seem to be happy she is leading Orange Face and trying to find something negative
twilson117
13 minutes ago
CL…his “stolen valor”reference, like so much of what he says was totally out of context as you point out.
MurphTheSurf3
12 minutes ago
TW – Fox found the PERFECT jab at Kamala: she cooks for pleasure. I guess these privileged white ladies w cooks at home think she should be making meatloaf under duress every night. Un huh.
choicelady
12 minutes ago
CL….the popcorn was excellent, along with orange juice in. honor of DT
MurphTheSurf3
12 minutes ago
Murph – all JD has done is turn veterans who MIGHT have been uncertain into fierce defenders of Walz.
choicelady
12 minutes ago
CL – I don’t believe that ANY of the attacks on Walz will do anything to change the Harris/Walz ongoing rise in the polls. People love his persona and see Vance as a “weirdo”. And Kamala is the top of the ticket, these attacks feel dishonest and are not coming from a source Americans trust.
AdLib12 minutes ago
Sounds good, Murph!
choicelady
11 minutes ago
CL of course Fox would
twilson117
11 minutes ago
Murph – May the Force be with Walz.
AdLib11 minutes ago
They are calling Kamala and Tim the “Hope Walz”. We need to have someone create that as a dance.
choicelady
10 minutes ago
Walz’s laugh is natural and appropriate. JD’s is forced and way out of place.
MurphTheSurf3
10 minutes ago
Murph – like DeSantis, he sounds as if he took laughing lessons at which he did not excel.
choicelady
10 minutes ago
Hey…what do we do about Elon Musk and the other robber barons who are perverting the info stream.
MurphTheSurf3
9 minutes ago
CL…..yes, DeSantis. Perfecto.
MurphTheSurf3
9 minutes ago
TW – Disagree and agree. Yes, the MSM is unhappy that Kamala is moving into a position of being too far out of reach for Trump, they NEED a neck-and-neck horse race to grab more viewers and readers. But many now see the MSM as corrupt, both from Trump’s attacks on them and their partisan and unfair attack on Biden to force him out. I think the MSM has undercut their influence massively.
AdLib9 minutes ago
One of the first exposures to an audience, JD flubbed what he was saying and then awkwardly laughed and said to TOTAL STRANGERS, “I love you guys”. Fell totally flat.
choicelady
8 minutes ago
Murph that is damn good question regarding the 21st century robber barons.
twilson117
8 minutes ago
The folks on Twitter are pushing back on Eldon. Every time he puts out a hit piece, they undermine him totally. He’s not getting through to anyone but the cult over 60% of whom are foreign bots. He’s not being successful.
choicelady
7 minutes ago
CL….thanks for the info re. push back. Good to read.
MurphTheSurf3
6 minutes ago
Murph – I am hoping the Harris Admin will use their mandate to make huge changes to even the playing field to reign in Musk, Zuckerberg and the rest of the out of control social media czars so that they can’t use their ownership of these sites to manipulate and corrupt.
AdLib6 minutes ago
Remember, Eldon promised to put up $45M a MONTH for Trump, then when he picked JD took it away. His heart isn’t in it, and the others are not good communicators.
choicelady
5 minutes ago
It has been a long time coming to regulate social media. Tik Tok has already been taken on. I can absolutely imagine Twitter (I won’t call it anything else) being next on the list.
AdLib5 minutes ago
We Twitter folk don’t take hostages.
choicelady
5 minutes ago
I’ve been suspended twice so now I affect nicey nice. It seems to elude the censors.
choicelady
4 minutes ago
Ad as long as they refuse to ask question and challenge Trump they’re going to be and impediment but I have Harris and Waltz will figure out how to deal with it.
twilson117
4 minutes ago
Ad…that would be a big step forward……I wonder how the big media folk can be held accountable to truth telling…..greater vulnerability to limiting licenses, law suits?
MurphTheSurf3
4 minutes ago
CL – Musk has so overplayed his hand in corrupting Twitter into being a tool of his imagined oligarchy. I think he’s put a target on himself.
AdLib3 minutes ago
Murph – we seriously need a (Ad?_ Truth in Political Advertising standard, the Fairness standard, and other regulation. Screw the ACLUS on this.
choicelady
3 minutes ago
Well, friends….I have an early meeting…..as always….good to be with you and given the change in atmosphere I am breathing easier.
MurphTheSurf3
2 minutes ago
Murph take care.
twilson117
2 minutes ago
OK my dear friends – got to go clean up after dinner and hit the hay. I’m doing postcard writing tomorrow morning and have to buy stamps for my new friend who’s been paying out of her own pocket. I will be here next week, God willing and the creek don’t rise. Hope to see all of you! Good night!
choicelady
a minute ago
TW – Agreed, I think Kamala and Walz will simply keep up their rallies to go around the MSM until they see some of them being fair. We saw how self-important these MSM folks are, declaring Trump was better than her because he “took their questions”…even though his responses were lies and changing the topic (as Lawrence pointed out). They are blind to how we are ignoring them now.
AdLiba minute ago
Thanks TW…please get back to me re. my request for assistance with the Yabberz folk.
MurphTheSurf3
a minute ago
Good meeting tomorrow, Murph!
choicelady
a minute ago
CL – I’m all for bringing HOPE back!
AdLiba few seconds ago
Night Murph!
AdLiba few seconds ago
Murph will do
twilson117
a few seconds ago
Talk to you soon, TW!
AdLibin a few seconds
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