Vox Populi, our weekly live chat about the week’s events begins tonight at 7:00pm PDT. Hope to see you then! AdLib 4 hours ago
Hey glenn! How are you doing today? AdLib 3 hours ago
Hey Ad–Doing well, can’t believe I’m the first one here tonight. How are you doing? glenn 3 hours ago
Enough already. Lock the SOB up already! glenn 3 hours ago
So with that! The evidence is clear, the 1/6 committee has been doing a fantastic job. Trump led a violent attack on the Capitol to overthrow the election, plainly and factually refused to call it off until it failed. Treason. Insurrection. Charge the SOB! AdLib 3 hours ago
You’re the first tonight so you get your pick of the appetizers! AdLib 3 hours ago
Hey Ad, just looking at my name. How do I change Atlanta to Florida? glenn 3 hours ago
GA is going to indict Trump, I’m pretty confident about that. And unless Garland wants to be known in history as the man who held the door for Trump or his surrogates to overthrow our democracy AND send the message that a president can be lawless and a dictator with no price to pay, he should be indicted by the Feds too. AdLib 3 hours ago
hi,,, MurphTheSurf3 3 hours ago
Hey Murph! AdLib 3 hours ago
Hello everyone twilson117 3 hours ago
Hi TW! AdLib 3 hours ago
Oh yummy! I’ll take some chicken wings, some nachos, and some pot stickers, please. glenn 3 hours ago
glenn – click on the icon of three lines in the upper right of the Vox window then click on your name and icon, you can edit your location there. AdLib 3 hours ago
Glenn …so nice to “see you”,,,,, MurphTheSurf3 3 hours ago
Hey Murph, hey TW–hope you are both doing well. glenn 3 hours ago
glenn – Here ya go! Hope that’s not too much cheese sauce on the nachos. AdLib 3 hours ago
Great to see you, too, Murph. glenn 3 hours ago
Not going to be here long Granddaughter is here and we’re going to watch a movie. It’s been 3 years since her last visit due to COVID. But just wanted to say hi and hope you have a great discussion there is a lot to talk about. twilson117 3 hours ago
Glenn,,,how are you feeling. MurphTheSurf3 3 hours ago
So Murph, pregnant women can’t get divorced in MO. And now that it’s illegal for them to get abortions in the state and MO wants to pass a law to prevent them to go out of state for it, it’s not only forced birth but forced marriage and forced residency in MO. They are slaves to the state. AdLib 3 hours ago
TW what movie? MurphTheSurf3 3 hours ago
Ad–I hope right about those indictments. The man needs to be locked up with no access to the media! glenn 3 hours ago
I will catch you all next week. twilson117 3 hours ago
TW – That’s wonderful to hear! I hope you all have a wonderful time! AdLib 3 hours ago
glenn – The good thing about a GA indictment and conviction is that Trump can’t be pardoned by a Repub president. Even if Garland indicts and convicts him, he could be pardoned by a Repub president. AdLib 3 hours ago
And AD….men in this state get away with a complete disregard of their own responsibility in the matter of pregnancy and child support… MurphTheSurf3 3 hours ago
Ad– there is never too much cheese (or chocolate, for that matter) for me. Notthat I would put chocolate sauce on nachos,just saying that anything that would get chocolate sauce could never have too much! glenn 3 hours ago
Can there be any doubt in the minds of anybody except the MAGA cult now that Trump gathered a mob, whipped them up, knew they were armed with deadly weapons, ordered them to mob the Capitol and waited for hours for them to succeed in violently overthrowing the election until they failed. He is so flat out guilty! And the fact that the only calls he made during the attack was to leverage it with Repub Senators and communicate with Giuliani on overthrowing the election that night. And yet, Repubs follow this traitor and insurrectionist like a king. AdLib 3 hours ago
TW–enjoy your time with your granddaughter. You can “talk” with old farts any time! glenn 3 hours ago
Murph – That’s sad to hear but I assumed as much. No law to make men financially on the hook the moment of conception but laws to dominate and imprison women in marriages, pregnancy and within the state. AdLib 3 hours ago
Women need to rise up and strike down the genitalocracy. MurphTheSurf3 3 hours ago
And Murph, what a nightmare of spousal abuse and even murders that will escalate in MO now. Women will have nowhere to turn without risking their whole future. AdLib 3 hours ago
Murph–Considering tomorrow is my 74th birthday, I’m feeling pretty good. I’m resigned to the fact that I will never have full control of my right hand and foot, but I can walk and do most things, so I’m feling pretty good, glenn 3 hours ago
That’s why we buy the gallon tubs of hot fudge and nacho cheese sauce for Vox night. AdLib 3 hours ago
Murph – Or maybe the Penocracy? AdLib 3 hours ago
HAPPY BIRTHDAY GLENN!
AdLib 3 hours ago
I got into a public argument with a woman who was standing in front of a Walmart handing out MAGA oriented propaganda support all of the anti-woman initiatives….I was furious and asked her why she hated her own gender…..and we were off to the races….eventually there were 6 people in the discussion with two on her side and four on mine (including me) MurphTheSurf3 3 hours ago
Ad– no doubt in my mind. Even before the hearings, we all knew he was a treasonous seditionist trying to overthrow our government, because he threw a temper tantrum because he lost! glenn 3 hours ago
glenn – I am sorry that you have to deal with the issues of your right hand and foot though. But I’m glad you feel well otherwise. AdLib 3 hours ago
Ad–didn’t think of the consequences of a GA conviction. Good to har. glenn 3 hours ago
Glenn…your birthday! At 74 – you are carrying a heavy load but, as is your style, with grace and courage. MurphTheSurf3 3 hours ago
WOW! Murph that’s a great word–genitalocracy. Never heard that one before! glenn 3 hours ago
I am a spry 72. MurphTheSurf3 3 hours ago
Ad–keep those gallon tubs coming! glenn 3 hours ago
I like Ad’s term. MurphTheSurf3 3 hours ago
Murph – Is my guess right that she hid her cultish slavishness to oppressing women under, “The life of the child!” If life is so precious, why isn’t the mother’s? They can’t answer that, why a clump of cells with the potential to become human possibly but not definitely, are MORE important than a woman who is living a life and contributing to her society right now. Because, as we all know, it is about control and power and supporting a society dominated by white men. She’s just a rube whose fear and anger has been used against her to further the domination of the already-wealthy and powerful white men in America. AdLib 3 hours ago
Ad–thanks for the birthday wishes! glenn 3 hours ago
Murph–awww, thanks! glenn 3 hours ago
Murph–I just don’t understand women like that. How old was she? glenn 3 hours ago
Ad….I think your interpretation is one that fits my experience with many of these women hating women….who couch their position in “higher” principles like so called Pro Life which is really Faux Pro Life. MurphTheSurf3 3 hours ago
Murph–definitely a spry 72 to be keeping up with your farm! glenn 3 hours ago
Glenn….my farm!…In this heat and drought…..i have little to keep up with…worst year ever MurphTheSurf3 3 hours ago
glenn – It’s so obvious now too. All that the 1/6 committee has revealed is what we already know about Trump. He wants what he wants. Period. Like the 5 year old brat he was and never grew up from. And that mentality is what all these morons connect with. All the blather about Trump having a defense of that he really believed the election was a fraud is such BS. The evidence clearly shows a mentality of, “I want the presidency! I’m gonna say and do everything I can to get it!” Ignorance is passive in such a case, Trump was as aggressive as someone who wants to just hear that there’s a way, illegal or not, to get what he wanted. That is so simple and so plain. AdLib 3 hours ago
I like your term too Murph! AdLib 3 hours ago
I believe that the January 6 committee is not an inquiry like Whitewater was…it is instead a presentation to a grand jury…..the american public by a very competent DA MurphTheSurf3 3 hours ago
Ad–a good description of that kind of woman, but I still don’t understand it. Bet she refuses to wear a mask, but can’t see the hypocrisy of letting the “government” tell her she can;t have an abortion, butwon’t wear a mask to save other people’s lives. People who are already born. Like George Carlin said, “if you’re pre-born, you’re fine. If you’re born, you’re fucked.” glenn 3 hours ago
Murph–wishing rain and cool weather your way. glenn 3 hours ago
Glenn…..wow…wow….wow….you go, girl MurphTheSurf3 3 hours ago
Murph – It’s such an insulting theft of terminology. All that Repubs use is Doublespeak. Those who want women to die along with babies after they’re born and support the death penalty and gun proliferation to kill thousands are “pro-life”. Those who stage a violent overthrow of their country to install a dictator are “patriots”. Those who want to force women to be slaves and prisoners to their state and want to ban books, teaching history and even the right to speak about LGBTQ want “freedom”. Of course they love Trump, they all live a life of lies and hypocrisy and Trump is the Patron Demon of that. AdLib 3 hours ago
Murph – You have so much work on your plate, not just farming but as you say, doing it during droughts and extreme weather nowadays. Have you thought about when you might retire from farming or would you do that? AdLib 2 hours ago
ad the Hypocrisy is MONUMENTAL. MurphTheSurf3 2 hours ago
Ad–exactly. He knew he lost, but as we both know, just thought he could get away with it. He has no idea of what his office meant, what our democracy is all about, or even the basics of history. I hope his shit is fnally catching up with hom. glenn 2 hours ago
Murph–ya gotta love George Carli, right? glenn 2 hours ago
Ad…and I am working on the Kunce Campaign…..in fact, that is filling in a lot of the empty space where my farm work used to be MurphTheSurf3 2 hours ago
George Carlin…(there’s that right hand, not pressing hard enough. glenn 2 hours ago
Glenn….George Carlin….love him… MurphTheSurf3 2 hours ago
Murph – Very good point. I think that’s exactly right. The 1/6 committee, knowing that the DoJ doesn’t want to indict a president but knowing that if his horrible crimes are allowed to go unpunished the nation is doomed, have indeed been prosecuting Trump and those who supported the coup to lay out the case mostly for the DoJ but also for the public in hopes that at least, if he’s not indicted by the DoJ, he will forever be seen as the monster he is and rejected from holding power ever again. Trump is a murderer, whether from his actions at the border, on Covid, or through the insurrestion. He is a mobster just as he’s always been characterized and a total sociopath. Can you imagine where we’d be if Jim Jordan and Ted Cruz were on the 1/6 committee? There would’ve been major sabotage of it. We are so lucky McCarthy made such a self-destructive decision, at Trump’s urging, to boycott the committee. AdLib 2 hours ago
AD and and Glenn…why is Garland and the DOJ dragging their feet on this. MurphTheSurf3 2 hours ago
McCarthy is a dum-dum, and in that we caught a break… MurphTheSurf3 2 hours ago
Murph–that’s a great description of the Jan. 6 committee. They began as an inquiry, but they quickly saw how this insurrection started and who started to it turned into a grand jury presentation. glenn 2 hours ago
Glenn…their inquiry continues but in the form of case building….for now, and for history. MurphTheSurf3 2 hours ago
glenn – You’re singing my favorite song when you quote George Carlin! Thank you! I realized that if you try to use logic or reason to understand why a minority of black people support racists or a minority of women support misogyny, it just doesn’t work. This is not about logic or reason, it’s about cult programming by the GOP and the billionaires financing this programming. It doesn’t make any sense, they hold positions on different issues that contradict themselves…but to cultists, it’s only about absorbing the talking points and fiercely defending them. AdLib 2 hours ago
Ad–ain’t that the truth? That McCarthy really was too dumb to see the consequences f not having his lackeys on the committee. glenn 2 hours ago
Ad….so much of what you say points to the mechanisms that power brokers use to shape the masses into movements that undermine the quality of their own lives MurphTheSurf3 2 hours ago
glenn – Trump is an entitled, spoiled rich brat who has always done whatever he wanted to get whatever he was obsessed with. This is his pattern. No red lines, no worries about consequences, he actually thought, “I want to stay president and if I have to march with my people to the Capitol and grab the election away from Biden with my own two hands, so be it!” AdLib 2 hours ago
Murph – You’re doing very important work by volunteering for Kunce. Any new polls? I think he can squeak through a victory! AdLib 2 hours ago
I did not think that I could detest/loathe Trump more intensely but these hearings have stoked the fire. MurphTheSurf3 2 hours ago
Ad–you know, I’m sure that there are some positions I hold that may contradict themselves, but if I.m confronted with those positions, I may be able to defend them, or I may change them glenn 2 hours ago
Murph – Garland is an institutionalist like Mueller, this is why neither is really the right person to stand up for our democracy but I think Garland is being dragged into indicting Trump thanks to the 1/6 committee. AdLib 2 hours ago
We need to get the Busch heir out of the way…..and then count on the GOP spoiler to draw away votes from Greitens…but Kunce is someone I really believe in. MurphTheSurf3 2 hours ago
Garland…I want to slap him…. hell, why is he not still pissed at having been denied a seat on Scotus. MurphTheSurf3 2 hours ago
Murph–I’m with you. Didn’t think I could hate anyone so much. glenn 2 hours ago
Glenn…which means that those I know who continue to admire Trump sink lower and lower and lower in my estimation. MurphTheSurf3 2 hours ago
glenn – At the time I thought, this is great, even if the 1/6 committee was only Dems but they laid out the horrible truths about Trump and company being traitors, the public would accept it. But it was brilliant of Pelosi to recruit Cheney and Kinzinger to make it bopartisan and they’ve been vbrilliant to use Repub and Trump admin witnesses almost exclusively. AdLib 2 hours ago
Ad–Garland better get his ass in gear and start working on indictments. I sure don’t want to hear that we can’t indict a presidential candidate, which is what the TLB is planning.a glenn 2 hours ago
Ad….most GOP do not regard either C or K as GOP….RINO-Super Stars….I see them as true GOP. MurphTheSurf3 2 hours ago
Murph–that too–regarding those who admire the TLB. glenn 2 hours ago
Glenn…there is no LAW or RULE re. not indicting candidates that was a principle created by those whose only purpose was self serving chicanery. MurphTheSurf3 2 hours ago
Murph – Yes, exactly right. The real Deep State is the wealthy white men who work in the shadows (even more openly nowadays like Koch) to manipulate the most vulnerable to propaganda and conditioning, the uneducated and unhappy. They are an army for the wealthy the same way the 1/6 mob was for Trump. Trump’s proven he never cared about them and just used them to get what he wanted, ruining their lives forever isn’t even on his radar. Same with the plutorats who connive to take over the country with their army of fools. AdLib 2 hours ago
Ad–yup. The J6 committee has done some brilliant work. glenn 2 hours ago
Ad. One of my favorite principles: Ignorance is not Bliss. It is a Blight. MurphTheSurf3 2 hours ago
glenn – Because you arrive at your views based on reason. Some things, like people who support abortion rights but oppose other freedoms may weigh the welfare of the public. In a narrow viewing, that could be seen as contradictory but it’s not. If the welfare of people is the goal, some “freedoms” like owning guns can be opposed while abortion can be supported. AdLib 2 hours ago
Ad…..owing guns is HOLY, birth control is SINFUL MurphTheSurf3 2 hours ago
Murph – That sounds like a winning plan but it does entail a lot of work and a little luck. That Busch heir is awful. AdLib 2 hours ago
Alright, gentlemen, it’s time for me to go softly into the night. Loved chatting with you all as usual. Thanks for the appetizers, Ad. Hope to see you next week. glenn 2 hours ago
AD…she is taking a weak kneed position re. the women’s issues that are so hot right now…says a lot…and none of it. good. MurphTheSurf3 2 hours ago
Glenn…it was fun having a three way discussion tonight. MurphTheSurf3 2 hours ago
Hey Glenn….do you do video visiting. MurphTheSurf3 2 hours ago
Murph – Garland strikes me as very like a Chamberlain, he thinks being reasonable and “practical” and protecting institutions with conventional methods is what he should do. So did Mueller. They threaten our democracy when they are not strident about protecting it from all threats including a political party and their leader. AdLib 2 hours ago
Murph–yes it was. You and Ad always make me think! glenn 2 hours ago
It was very enjoyable having tonight’s chat among the three of us. You were so missed while you were recuperating glenn! AdLib 2 hours ago
And again, happy birthday glenn! AdLib 2 hours ago
Murph–since I don’t know what video visiting is, I’m sure I don’t do it! Bur I’m willing to learn! glenn 2 hours ago
Murph – So true, ignorance is blight. AdLib 2 hours ago
Murph – You mean like Facetime and Zoom? AdLib 2 hours ago
Awww, thanks Ad. I missed chatting with you all too. glenn 2 hours ago
Murph–If you mean facetime and zoom, I have done those. glenn 2 hours ago
It wasn’t the same without you, glenn. All the folks here bring something special to chats. AdLib 2 hours ago
I’ve thought about doing an audio Vox Populi but not sure how well it would work. AdLib 2 hours ago
Murph–email me about video visiting, please. I’ve got to go now, my strength is giving out. G’night. glenn 2 hours ago
Like a live podcast. AdLib 2 hours ago
Night glenn! AdLib 2 hours ago
Garland as Chamberlain….ep….works MurphTheSurf3 2 hours ago
Sorry got called away by a call. MurphTheSurf3 2 hours ago
Yes….gleen is a wonderful part of our little group. MurphTheSurf3 2 hours ago
But we haven’t forgotten Chamberlain and what his mentality led to so I think some if not most on the 1/6 committee have had that in mind when it came to having these hearings. Never again. AdLib 2 hours ago
I do not know how a video conversation would go but it might be worth trying. I enjoyed Our three with a few months back. It seemed to work. I wonder what the workable limit would be? MurphTheSurf3 2 hours ago
Hearing people’s voices and seeing them is a plus but it can get cumbersome. MurphTheSurf3 2 hours ago
We can’t allow appeasement of another authoritarian, especially in the U.S.. AdLib 2 hours ago
There are four of us regulars now I think…but I would not want to isolate those who stop by every now and then…… MurphTheSurf3 2 hours ago
I think the first experiment would be best as voice-only. Some people are self-conscious about putting their appearance on a chat like this. AdLib 2 hours ago
Ad…that is a good idea…of course I had no problem with my image given what a dashing figure I am. MurphTheSurf3 2 hours ago
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Which is why I think it could be interesting to try a voice-only podcast-type Vox so anyone can join or listen without concern about having one’s face on the screen. AdLib 2 hours ago
Heh! And you think I want to compete with that?! AdLib 2 hours ago
I’d have to use multiple filters! Maybe I’d just be a cat head? AdLib 2 hours ago
Like that Zoom hearing the lawyer accidentally used a filter for? AdLib 2 hours ago
How do you keep from having vocal chaos with people running over each other….a visual conversation has another level of clues that seems to keep the thing from turning into a Tower Of Babel MurphTheSurf3 2 hours ago
Cat Head! SPhinx might be more fitting. MurphTheSurf3 2 hours ago
Twitter has a voice cast but I don’t want to host it off-site. AdLib 2 hours ago
Heh! That’s perfect! AdLib 2 hours ago
I wonder what TW would think of this….cuz it is basically You, TW, Glenn, and Me….with Choice at times…anyone else? MurphTheSurf3 2 hours ago
There was an audio app I was toying with, it allows the host to moderate who speaks. AdLib 2 hours ago
PPO except he has sailing events that keep him busy. AdLib 2 hours ago
Ad…..the moderator role can be a real burden…it might make the whole thing a lot less fun for you . MurphTheSurf3 2 hours ago
AH….PPO…yes, I have not seen him of late… MurphTheSurf3 2 hours ago
Maybe if it’s just 4-5 of us, we just have a rule that when one person starts talking, others pause but then they must pause while another speaks? Like going around in a circle? AdLib 2 hours ago
Well…very much worth considering…..I really regard Vox as high point of my week….. MurphTheSurf3 2 hours ago
Same here, I really look forward to it and see you and others here like good friends who I want to bounce ideas off of and listen to. AdLib 2 hours ago
To get smarter myself! AdLib 2 hours ago
I have been part of meetings where there are five of us and you hit a key to show that you want the floor and then the system puts you into a line that rotates speakers…. MurphTheSurf3 2 hours ago
I always described Vox as being like a local bar where we regulars gather every Friday night. That’s how it feels to me. Without the draft beers though. AdLib 2 hours ago
The more we “talk” about this the more it seems that our posting format allows for the most significant conversation. MurphTheSurf3 2 hours ago
Yes, that is the type of thing we could try. But I would prefer that it is embedded on a page here at The Planet as opposed to outside or using an app. So folks can sit in on the conversation if they want by visiting The Planet and it can be archived here. AdLib 2 hours ago
I wonder if we might have a night every now and then that is billed as a “social” where we bring our beers and just chat among ourselves like the three of us did few months past just to check in and deepen our connections…with most weeks running in the traditional fashion. MurphTheSurf3 2 hours ago
I like the idea of embedding the chat room here. MurphTheSurf3 2 hours ago
Yes, this text chat seems to allow the most freedom, anyone can chat at anytime to anyone or start a new topic without disrupting anyone else. Any voice chat wouldn’t be so flexible. AdLib 2 hours ago
Ad…this site is really so well done…which is to say you do it so well…I wish more took part but then again I find I have so little time to give to the Planet……and I give more here than to the other two sites to which I belong. MurphTheSurf3 2 hours ago
Yes, I’m with you on that. I’m going to do some research and see if I can find something that would work as we would need it to. We can do that as you say, as an add-on to Vox and keep Vox for it’s unique environment. AdLib 2 hours ago
Thanks for that Murph. I would like to have more folks here but it is a neverending battle to find and keep people here when they’re more attracted to mass sites like Twitter and Facebook. I think we agree that this is a better environment for conversations, real conversations, but the bells and whistles of the mega-sites seems too enticing to many. AdLib 2 hours ago
I think the idea of having a “social” every now and then might build the sense of community and be a different kind of fun…..done infrequently it would not get old….I envision a Christmas Party for example….and we might get creative in doing it. MurphTheSurf3 2 hours ago
Yes, it could be ocassional or even monthly, like the third Saturday of the month (so Vox isn’t disrupted). AdLib 2 hours ago
Ad….the mega sites are for those who find skimming their preferred medium. MurphTheSurf3 2 hours ago
Well, let’s put this idea on the table……see if others have an interst. MurphTheSurf3 2 hours ago
In this ADD world, Twitter and Facebook are more addicting (and they’re designed to be addicting). AdLib 2 hours ago
Ad….ADD world…good model…..I am off….I have Kunce Work in the AM. MurphTheSurf3 2 hours ago
Have a grand week. MurphTheSurf3 2 hours ago
I know you, me and TW would be on board and glenn said she would be. That’s plenty for a test run. AdLib 2 hours ago
Thanks! You’re doing great work! Rest up!
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