Vox Populi, our weekly live chat about the week’s events begins tonight at 7:00pm PDT. Hope to see you then! AdLib 4 hours ago
brb…. Harleigh 2 hours ago
Ok! AdLib 2 hours ago
Just to sum up my take on the SCOTUS, the theocrats have completed a theocratic coup. AdLib 2 hours ago
back… yep and it will be until we can get a blue congress and WH to add 4 more to the SC Harleigh 2 hours ago
Of the judiciary. They are in process on a coup of Congress and the presidency. I have no idea how they think this will work out for them in the long run. Americans are not indoctrinated to dictatorships and the majority will not submit. AdLib 2 hours ago
Hey Murph! AdLib 2 hours ago
If the Trumpista Republicans take even one branch of Congress in the midterms, Biden becomes a ‘lame duck president’, his every effort sabotaged, he and his family facing the inquisition, while the MAGA’s tighten their control of elections and take absolute command of the U.S. government, all three branches, in 2024. And U.S. democracy becomes Kabuki theater, pantomime procedurals like in Putin’s Russia.- A bit of wisdom from a political guru who is working alongside me for Kunce. MurphTheSurf3 2 hours ago
hi murph! Harleigh 2 hours ago
Harleigh, that really needs to be this Nov or we’re in very big trouble. AdLib 2 hours ago
Hi Ad…and Harleigh…feel free to cut and past my friends apt summary. MurphTheSurf3 2 hours ago
yep Harleigh 2 hours ago
Murph – Generally agree but it’s not like Manchin, Sinema and the Repubs are letting Biden do much now. Yes, the Hunter Biden Benghazi type hearings and inquisitions will stretch into the 2024 elections as will impeachments against Biden for clearing his throat and waking up in the morning. AdLib 2 hours ago
An attorney in our group gave us an overview of the likely cases that will be put before Scotus to further the right wing agenda….for me a very scary one is a case involving when “personhood” begins. If it is a fertilization then the ground is established for a national ban on abortion etc. American Talibanism. MurphTheSurf3 2 hours ago
Hey TW! AdLib 2 hours ago
Hey everyone twilson117 2 hours ago
Ad…your response provides me no comfort…what is not so good now will become overwhelmingly awful. MurphTheSurf3 2 hours ago
Hi TW….. MurphTheSurf3 2 hours ago
hi tw Harleigh 2 hours ago
Can the Democrats put together a Blue Tsunami because that is what will be needed. MurphTheSurf3 2 hours ago
Well I guess we can all say we saw what was coming today for the SC twilson117 2 hours ago
Hello Glenn. MurphTheSurf3 2 hours ago
yeah and the j6 hearings don’t seem to be slow the nazis down Harleigh 2 hours ago
Hey Glenn twilson117 2 hours ago
Murph – If the SCOTUS declares that they are the ones to decide when life begins, which is not an objectively answerable question, especially by judges, I think that new security for the SCOTUS will not be enough to protect them. To be clear, I don’t advocate violence but the blatant declaration that the SCOTUS is an extremist religious cabal will incite many people. AdLib 2 hours ago
Hi glenn! AdLib 2 hours ago
TW…there was a lot of discussion about how the ruling would be modified as a result of the reaction to the leak….nope…..radical zealots do not modify. MurphTheSurf3 2 hours ago
Good evening gents. Hope everyone is doing well,despite SCOTUS news. glenn 2 hours ago
Women just took a big shot. maybe this will make them vote in much larger numbers. Harleigh 2 hours ago
Murph I can’t say I expected anything different, the question now becomes what will Dems do about it? twilson117 2 hours ago
Ad…..in theory I acknowledge your point re. the capacity for wisdom on this matter from Scotus but this is the stuff the lights fires and burns it all down. MurphTheSurf3 2 hours ago
hey glenn! Harleigh 2 hours ago
Murph – You know I’m an optimist generally but seeing how committed to the cult of dictatorship that the Repubs are (they held CPAC in Hungary???), it is realistic to expect them to use government as a cudgel against their political enemies. They will do exactly what they accuse Dems of, that’s their scheme, to make it seem that they’re only doing what Dems do when they seek truths and enforce the law. AdLib 2 hours ago
TW…..can the Dems produce a nation wide Tsunami? MurphTheSurf3 2 hours ago
Murph in addition I would be very concern about Thomas separate opinion he wrote twilson117 2 hours ago
Ad….so much for optimism. MurphTheSurf3 2 hours ago
Murph I think they may be able to the question I think will it be sustainable twilson117 2 hours ago
TW…I have written on the impact of Thomas’ invitation to send cases to the court that fall under the rubric of the one they just delivered……that is what he is trawling for. MurphTheSurf3 2 hours ago
Murph I saw on MSNBC a lot of people in different parts of the country taking to the streets, the other important question is will the Dem Party make this a major issue. twilson117 2 hours ago
TW….doable but not sustainable….yes, I can see that. MurphTheSurf3 2 hours ago
Murph – I think the intensity of Dem voters in Nov will be off the charts. Much of the country that was tuned out is hearing about or watching the 1/6 hearings and learning that the GOP tried and are still conspiring to overthrow our democracy. High profile indictments are likely before Nov. Now, with Roe being eviscerated and threats to destroy rights to contraception and gay marriage and on from there, I think Dems should indeed be able to make Nov a blue tsunami. AdLib 2 hours ago
Harleigh–I’m afraid this will not make women show up. I don’t think it’s a big a deal to all women as it should be. Many women I know, my daughter, are more worried about inflation than the right to an abortion. Their take is “if you don’t want an abortion, don’t have one.” They don’t understand that now you can’t have one because they have grown up with abortin as a right. glenn 2 hours ago
Ad…your argument is a good one but it is so dependent on voter awareness and acumen and there is far too little of both to be had (on all sides) but the right has tooled up to use raw emotion that comes from and feeds to anger, anxiety and fear. Their machine is geared to it. Can Dems do the same. MurphTheSurf3 2 hours ago
Murph – Marches may not be sustainable through Nov but the sheer anger within the majority of voters out there, from the revelations of the 1/6 hearings and the killing of Roe will not fade away. Dem turnout will be enormous in Nov I think, because we now see first hand what the stakes are of letting the RW retain power. AdLib 2 hours ago
Glenn just wondering does your daughter understand the SJ and Repugs are now in the business of regulating birth control as well, or will soon be? twilson117 2 hours ago
Harleigh…you just provided a data point for the observation I just offered re. the electorate. MurphTheSurf3 2 hours ago
The women better WTFU because birth control and morning after meds are next. Harleigh 2 hours ago
Handmaiden’s Tale 2022 MurphTheSurf3 2 hours ago
Ad–I hope you are correct about Dem voters, but I’m cynical. The repubs are going to hammer inflation, and if DeSantis is the nominee glenn 2 hours ago
Harleigh the entire country needs to wake up because this court is about the take up back Jim Crow times twilson117 2 hours ago
It is up to Dem politicians to nationalize this election, it must be nationalized for Dems to win big. This is about rescuing our democracy from an all out theocratic and despotic onslaught. This is about religious extremists taking over our SCOTUS and stripping all but white, heterosexual men of their rights and equality. Dem candidates should say, “Even if you like my opponent, you can’t vote for him and keep our democracy and rights. This is bigger than one candidate, this is about saving our country.” AdLib 2 hours ago
if DeSantis is the nominee, the TLB’s fans will flock to him. glenn 2 hours ago
true tw Harleigh 2 hours ago
Ad…I agree with every word….I just wonder how to put them to good use given the nature of the Dem electorate. MurphTheSurf3 2 hours ago
glenn – As the first wave of prosecutions of women and people who aided them in getting abortions occur, I think people like your daughter will become more aware of what’s at stake. As for the concerns of inflation, ask her how Repubs holding hearings on Hunter Biden will help bring inflation down. AdLib 2 hours ago
Glenn DeSantis will be the nominee for the Republicans he is the version of Trump** they want without all the other crap. twilson117 2 hours ago
This ruling puts the US in Third World Country status. twilson117 2 hours ago
TW–we haven’t had a conversation recently, so I’m hoping her mind has been changed. I’ll be talking to her morebefore November because she has a 19-year-old daughter. glenn 2 hours ago
Ad….the right is so capable when it comes to launching chaff into the air that so confuses the argument that fact based logic fails to pierce blizzard. MurphTheSurf3 2 hours ago
TW–I agree regarding DeSantis. And he is a dickhead, but he is a much more intelligent dickhead than the TLB glenn 2 hours ago
Murph – There is a lot of whipped up emotion in Dems right now. PoC were whipped up at hearing how the poll workers in GA were persecuted. They and other Dems are whipped up by this ruling, I’ve read about women crying in public as they heard about the ruling. The pieces are all there for Dems to put together the picture of Repubs conquering our democracy to install a theocratic and dictatorial regime. Fear can work against Repubs too, Dems need to put the pedal to the metal on this totally legit fear that all Americans should have. AdLib 2 hours ago
My kitten has decided it’s playtime! He’ll be one year old July 4th so we declared it a national holiday!! lol His name is Sherlock. He’s a democrat cat. Harleigh 2 hours ago
glenn – I feel pretty confident that Dems will be more whipped up about this theocratic dictatorship settling over the country than Repubs over inflation which will have reduced by Nov. AdLib 2 hours ago
Ad….I agree with your assessment…..and your broad plan….but do the Dems have the kind of troops you describe willing to march into battle in unison and without mercy? MurphTheSurf3 2 hours ago
Ad–Yes, that is going to be interesting to watch when repubs start prosecuting women for health care decisions. glenn 2 hours ago
we can hope Harleigh 2 hours ago
It’s kind of painful to see the messages from leaders around the world expressing sympathy to Americans for being Talibanned. AdLib 2 hours ago
Glenn the thing about inflation it is a normal economic process it will eventually reside as the economy adjusts. What the SC did is significant life altering event. twilson117 2 hours ago
I’m conkin out folks. night! Harleigh 2 hours ago
Bye Harleigh. MurphTheSurf3 2 hours ago
Does the GOP EVER OFFER COUNTER PROPOSALS/PLANS to deal with what they label as the most important problems (like inflation)…..Nope…..and do Dems nail them for it….Nope. MurphTheSurf3 2 hours ago
Murph – I think you’ll see a real unification of Dems in Nov. All that’s happening gives Dems a big enemy to focus on and they’ll have no choice but to come together against this urgent threat. Afterwards, they may split apart again but as long as we can end up with at least 52 Dems in The Senate and retain control of The House, these fires of insurrection and religious rule can be put out. AdLib 2 hours ago
TW–I agree with what you’re saying, but most Americans aren’t interested in life-changing events. Inflation affects their everyday lives, and that’s what they vote on. glenn 2 hours ago
Ad I agree with your conclusion and I would cry “Hallelujah” if the Dems were to coalesce as you suggest…..but I see little that gives me confidence. MurphTheSurf3 2 hours ago
She approval rating of the SC is at an all time low at 26% twilson117 2 hours ago
Ad–Haven’t seen what you’re talking about re world leaders. Can you expand on that? glenn 2 hours ago
Missouri is a Trigger Law State……our last clinic closed this morning. Of course we are across the river on the Eastern border from Illinois. Our western neighbors are not so fortunate. MurphTheSurf3 2 hours ago
Let’s be clear about DeSantis, he will indeed get strong support from Repubs but remember, the reason Trump won is that moderates were attracted to his hucksterism. DeSantis doesn’t have that trait, he is odious to all but the hateful. AdLib 2 hours ago
Glenn, I understand, and you’re correct most folks are just dealing with day-to-day which is understandable. So it is difficult to get them look down the road, but it is something they need to learn to do. twilson117 2 hours ago
Murph–once again, you and I are the “downers” in this discussion. I don’t have Ad’s optimism that Dem leaders or Dem voters will get the message across. glenn an hour ago
Ad…..I see DeSantis as more irritating and less ingratiating than Trump so I concur…he will be less attractive and if he has to face off with Trump it will be very bad for him. MurphTheSurf3 an hour ago
Glenn….our downer position is, I think, a result of where we live…in the deep red. MurphTheSurf3 an hour ago
glenn – I hate to be so rough on people but your daughter should know that if a young woman like your granddaughter was raped, she would be forced to carry the baby and the rapist would have parental rights, being part of her life for the rest of her life. That’s what “pro-lifers” are celebrating. AdLib an hour ago
Murph your former Senator was on Deadline and she was really upset. twilson117 an hour ago
TW….I very much admire and respect Clare. MurphTheSurf3 an hour ago
Ad–not so sure DeSantis won’t get strong supprt if the TLB isn’t running. Repubs are the hateful party now; that is now their DNA. ; glenn an hour ago