Vox Populi – 01-14-2021

Vox Populi, our weekly live chat about the week’s events begins tonight at 7:00pm PST. Hope to see you then! AdLib 20 hours ago

Hey Khirad! AdLib 18 hours ago

Hope your year is off to a good start, external events aside. AdLib 18 hours ago

Ooh. https://www.archives.gov/founding-docs/amendments-11-27#xiv3 Khirad 18 hours ago

I’ll be back – I’m a little light headed. Khirad 18 hours ago

I am so with the 14th Anmendment being applied. AdLib 18 hours ago

Ok… AdLib 18 hours ago

Not a lot to be satisfied with when it comes to US Senators in AZ. AdLib 18 hours ago

Hey TW! How are you feeling (post booster)? AdLib 18 hours ago

Hey AdLib twilson117 18 hours ago

I feeling much better. twilson117 18 hours ago

Great to hear! How long were you feeling poorly? AdLib 18 hours ago

About a day and half twilson117 18 hours ago

That was about the same for me. But now we are protected! AdLib 18 hours ago

Sore arm sleepy twilson117 18 hours ago

Still sore? AdLib 18 hours ago

So I have to say, I have a little more optimism about Trump and his coup plotters being prosecuted after the revelations and Oath Keepers arrests and charges this week. AdLib 18 hours ago

You there, TW? AdLib 18 hours ago

Arm is fine I’m fine. Wife has to wait because of her upcoming mammogram. twilson117 18 hours ago

Good. Yes, best that she spaces them out. AdLib 18 hours ago

That is what she was told. twilson117 18 hours ago

So now I’m fully vax twilson117 18 hours ago

Just saw breaking news that Directv has stopped carrying OANN. I already moved my cell service from them in protest. AdLib 18 hours ago

Good feeling, isn’t it? AdLib 18 hours ago

OANN dropped by OAN now that’s something. twilson117 18 hours ago

But with Omacron running wild, staying at home mostly. AdLib 18 hours ago

I meant DirectTV twilson117 18 hours ago

Heh! Considering ATT essentiaqlly provided the support, startup money and sustained them. AdLib 18 hours ago

Staying home as well had to go out for my regular haircut twilson117 18 hours ago

I ordered N95 masks in December, you can’t buy them today on Amazon. AdLib 18 hours ago

I left Sinema a message along the lines of https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gtJevNpWHLU
https://www.youtube.com/embed/gtJevNpWHLU?wmode=transparent&jqoemcache=LfegK Khirad 18 hours ago

I ‘ll be right back, Khirad 18 hours ago

I just order some from Amazon hoping they show up next week. twilson117 18 hours ago

So with daughter flying back to MA next week, glad that she has an N95 for the airports and plane. AdLib 18 hours ago

Very funny, Khirad! I don’t know that Sinema even understands that fucking over Dems in AZ and the country matters, she is so deluded. AdLib 18 hours ago

Your daughter may be coming into a snowstorm next week. twilson117 18 hours ago

TW – Did you order N95 or KN95? AdLib 18 hours ago

N95 twilson117 18 hours ago

Really? She doesn’t know that and neither did I! I will make sure she’s properly dressed! And that she doesn’t wear shorts. AdLib 18 hours ago

Excellent. I don’t think the KN95s are as trustworthy. AdLib 18 hours ago

So Sineman and Manchin have declared that democracy needs to end to preserve the filibuster. How does that make a lick of sense? AdLib 18 hours ago

The masks I ordered were GATA recommended by a friend. There suppose to be pretty good. Have replaceable inserts and the mask can be washed. twilson117 18 hours ago

Sineman is a joke and has no honor but what do you expect from someone from Greenpeace twilson117 17 hours ago

GATA masks aren’t rated as N95 or KN95 from what I just saw on a search. AdLib 17 hours ago

Here is what I got https://www.amazon.com/stores/GATA/page/43D7EC2 twilson117 17 hours ago

There are good folks in Greenpeace and whackos too. But Sinema seems to have a screw loose. She apparently believes that this is a brilliant political move and that she can now run against Biden in 2024 for President as a moderate because of how she’s behaved. She is now despised by most Dems and laughed at by most Trumpers. She is deranged. AdLib 17 hours ago

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qkqG7Rc9Jco&t=464s
https://www.youtube.com/embed/qkqG7Rc9Jco?wmode=transparent&jqoemcache=wP7ld Khirad 17 hours ago

When she was an understudy of Ralph Nader as to greenpeace I agree there are good and whacky folks there she is definitely one of the whacky ones. twilson117 17 hours ago

TW: This is what came up in a Google Search: “Are GATA masks KN95? You get 10 filters, each of which provides 50 hours of protective wear, and two filter reinforcements, which help keep the mask’s shape and hold the mask and filter away from your face. You can also buy washable cloth filters through the Gata website, but they do not have the KN95 rating.Nov 11, 2021” AdLib 17 hours ago

So next Tuesday I’m gonna be back in the Couve. Khirad 17 hours ago

Khirad – Will watch after Vox, appreciate the share! AdLib 17 hours ago

Khirad – What is the Couve? AdLib 17 hours ago

I went on the recommendation of a friend will have to wait and see. Have to admit I missed that part of them not being rated went by friends recommendation and Amazon write up. twilson117 17 hours ago

TW – Nader turned out to be the same kind of destructive narcissist as Sinema. Nader gave us Bush, The Iraq War and ISIS by draining votes away from Al Gore in FL. AdLib 17 hours ago

The best Vancouver. Khirad 17 hours ago

TW – Not trying to be the wet blanket but want you to be safe so I was curious about GATA being N95 or KN95 because when I looked this week, there were no N95 masks to be bought on Amazon. AdLib 17 hours ago

Hi all – hope everyone is well! choicelady 17 hours ago

Yes that’s what I remember about good ole Ralph. twilson117 17 hours ago

Hey CL twilson117 17 hours ago

My first vote was for Nader. I was in Washington. Gore was going to win – I was 18 but it was tactical. Khirad 17 hours ago

Hi TW – how are you! choicelady 17 hours ago

Khirad – Got it! That’s great to hear, hope you have a great trip! AdLib 17 hours ago

I’m well CL over my little bout with the booster. Lasted about day and a half twilson117 17 hours ago

I was 18 hoping for a Green Party … back then I thought if you… who cares. I’m old and cynical now. Khirad 17 hours ago

TW – with friends now who have COVID, the booster was worth it. SO many are suffering horrid fatigue they can’t shake. Glad you did that. choicelady 17 hours ago

Khirad – I don’t fault anyone in solid blue states for voting for Nader but I do blame Nader for running a pointless and destructive-to-democracy campaign when he knew that all he could accomplish is putting a dangerous Republican in the WH. AdLib 17 hours ago

BRB choicelady 17 hours ago

Hey CL! \ AdLib 17 hours ago

I’ll report from Antifa HQ in Portland. And, unfortunately, it has kinda gone to shit… don’t tell the RW Khirad 17 hours ago

Ad I think that was the reason he ran so he could push Gore out. twilson117 17 hours ago

What Khirad, Antifa is really a myth twilson117 17 hours ago

Tell my Antifa flag that Khirad 17 hours ago

Khirad – I was interested in The Green Party back then but faced with an incompetent GW Bush and a destructive Dick Cheney…and being unhappy with Nader’s narcissism, I had to vote for Gore. AdLib 17 hours ago

Even in California? – I was watching West Wing and stuff. What pissed me off was the Kerry thing more when he abandoned building any movement. To date the only Green Party in power is in Germany. Go fig Khirad 17 hours ago

Khirad – Please let Antifa know from me that I am impressed with how expertly they mimic Trumpers and commit all these criminal acts while carrying Confederate flags. AdLib 17 hours ago

I have to say I’m seriously over purists. We are a two party system. The parliamentary system has created monstrous as well as OK coalitions. I just can’t see the impulse to purity when it’s so destructive to solidarity. Third parties here have never had significant agendas much less broad policy positions. choicelady 17 hours ago

Oh I will – and also – you know I’m not kidding when I say I have anarchy-syndicalist flags. Khirad 17 hours ago

You have to hand it to those Antifa folks for the bait and switch they did twilson117 17 hours ago

Ad – I KNOW – Antifa is so good at impersonating Bubbas and Red Necks. Just amazing. choicelady 17 hours ago

TW – Yes, Nader knew full well that he couldn’t win. He wanted to try and win 3% of the vote because I think that’s the amount a candidate has to win to get funds from the US government in a campaign. He didn’t care about the hell he would unleash and how it led to Trump and the insurrection in the end, just that he couls rise and build a party beneath him while Rome burned. AdLib 17 hours ago

SNL is not the edgiest – but I’m thinking about Baldwin’s Sweddy Balls and his Trump at the same time Khirad 17 hours ago

I guess I’m alone here in NEVER having liked SNL. choicelady 17 hours ago

Ad that seems to be the way of the GP look at what they did to Hillary, siphon off enough votes to give Trump** the win. twilson117 17 hours ago

Though i did like Dana Carvey’s “churchlady”. choicelady 17 hours ago

3% yeah… anyway since then I’ve learned about proportional, ranked, d’hondt – none of which are happening Khirad 17 hours ago

Satan? Khirad 17 hours ago

Dana Carvey is a real life drummer btw. Khirad 17 hours ago

CL no you’re not, I can count the times I watched it on one had and take away three fingers. twilson117 17 hours ago

Khirad – ranked choice is a disaster. Someone who dominates as #2 is hated in the end by everyone. choicelady 17 hours ago

Khirad – I was not thrilled about Gore, I wasn’t a big fan of Clinton and his conservative “triangulation” but I thought it was important to give Gore a mandate so I wanted to add my vote to that and vote strongly to avoid Bush/Cheney and the hell that I thought would (and did) follow. AdLib 17 hours ago

Thank you, TW!!! I feel vindicated! It has had moments. It has not had much else. choicelady 17 hours ago

In a swing state I would have… let’s not bring up how many times the GOP has won the pop vote…. Khirad 17 hours ago

Ad – very wise reason to vote Gore. choicelady 17 hours ago

Cl the times I did watch it, the show was ok. twilson117 17 hours ago

As a historian, I cringe when I hear Radical Republican. But, I’m a nerd Khirad 17 hours ago

I found it just vulgar and not particularly funny. One Gilda was gone, no other reason to watch. Humor to me is more than just grossing people out. choicelady 17 hours ago

CL I recall when people would come into work and spend hours talking about SNL and the times I did watch it didn’t see what they saw. twilson117 17 hours ago

TW – no, I didn’t either. choicelady 17 hours ago

CL – Same here when it comes to purists, I have no patience for them. I like the idea of a 3rd party and back in 2000 when many people felt the Dem Party had veered so much to the center-right that there wasn’t a big difference between having Bush or Gore in the WH (that was a central popular meme back then), a 3rd party was more attractive. But nowadays, the Dems have moved solidly Progressive (except for two lowlife Dem Senators) that a 3rd party has little room to grow. AdLib 17 hours ago

CL – I was a big fan of SNL at the beginning, when it was fresh and irreverent but it has become just more smarmy popular culture without the laughs. AdLib 17 hours ago

Ad have to say from what I’m reading and seeing along with what happened yesterday I’m not feeling too good about what is going on. twilson117 17 hours ago

So, to bring this up again, Mark Kelly is up for reëlection and was thought to be a Centrist – son of cops, Navy, NASA, husband of Gabby. Who thought it would be bisexual Green Party Sinema who has some damning tape. Khirad 17 hours ago

Dems are progressives with patience and pragmatism. I spend much of my life teaching brats who felt entitled to everything and wanted someone to provide it. The next kid who tells me everything should be free gets the toe of me boot. I’m done. choicelady 17 hours ago

SNL has its moments but I just watch like the three sketches that are worth wathing on Youtube Khirad 17 hours ago

Sinema is a jerk. She has no intention of running again – too much work. She’s amassing a fortune so she can toddle off. Screw her. choicelady 17 hours ago

CL the only thing that is free is air and pretty soon someone will be charging for that, so tell your brats to suck it up and get a life. twilson117 17 hours ago

I would… actually… screw her, but I digress. Khirad 17 hours ago

TW – Do you mean about the SCOTUS being a Death Panel and Sinema and Manchin being a Death Panel For Democracy? AdLib 17 hours ago

I once was a teaching assistant to a fantastic prof who was from Australia. He pointed out the American humor replicated too much of the WORST of Brit humor: childish rants, “Yah, boo, sucks to you” sorts of stuff. choicelady 17 hours ago

Khirad – well, yeah – in the real sense, I can see it. She is, when she isn’t looking dorky, very pretty. choicelady 17 hours ago

Wow, so no Young Ones or Black Adder? No Father Ted? Khirad 17 hours ago

Khirad – Sinema fooled nearly everyone who supported her, ran as a phony and so many feel betrayed. She is nothing but a greedy narcissist, a wolf in sheep’s clothing that is deluded into thinking that she can now run as a “moderate” and win the presidency in 2024. AdLib 17 hours ago

He would have been fine with that – he said we weren’t that sophisticated. That hurt. Was true, but it hurt. choicelady 17 hours ago

My friends saw her IRL and yeah she’s hot, but she’s a literal whore to me now. Khirad 17 hours ago

Khirad – you have standards. Cool choicelady 17 hours ago

She got in way over her head. Khirad 17 hours ago

The SCOTUS is wrapped that decision yesterday was just plain stupid. I wasn’t for expanding the SC but when I heard there are 13 circuits expand the damn court. Because with a 6-3 majority we’re in for a world of hurt when they come down with their decisions. twilson117 17 hours ago

When you’re in over your head, you follow those who aren’t. choicelady 17 hours ago

CL – I agree with your description of today’s Dem Party but it has evolved since the days of “triangulating” Bill Clinton. I was open to 3rd Parties back then, he did some good things and some terrible, Republican things. AdLib 17 hours ago

Well, I am a pale ginger with gross pale feet. Khirad 17 hours ago

Don’t ppound on me too much Khirad 17 hours ago

Somebody at FOX suggested Maher run as a Republican —- perfect. Khirad 17 hours ago

I am with you on Clinton. I was saddened by the death of Lani Guenier this week. Clinton was cowardly, and frankly what saved him for a second term was OK City. He did a great job getting us through that. But otherwise he was mediocre and mendacious. Not that I actually know what that second word really means, but I’m sure he was it. choicelady 17 hours ago

CL – Yes, much of American humor is just being cruel or crass but there are some truly brilliant American comics. And one could reply to the Aussie, “Uh, name me some brilliant Aussie comedy?” AdLib 17 hours ago

Clinton won because of Ross Perot. Khirad 17 hours ago

Maher should run as a trodlodyte’ choicelady 17 hours ago

Khirad – probably. He really was NOT a good president. choicelady 17 hours ago

We probably should ask PPO when he comes back. What I know about Australia would fill a thimble. choicelady 17 hours ago

CL second word is in reference to being a liar which he was on a number of occasions. twilson117 17 hours ago

I was 14 but I kinda miss the Bob Doles. I’m mean I was a Dem then too but… is that weird? Khirad 17 hours ago

Rick Morris? Khirad 17 hours ago

Bob Dole was NOT a nice man, never mind what they try to say. choicelady 17 hours ago

TW – thank you. I’m nver quite sure, but it seemed to fit. choicelady 17 hours ago

Yeah, but I miss when I could disagree and they weren’t bat shit crazy Khirad 17 hours ago

TW – As you’ve probably seen me say, I have been for expanding the SCOTUS to 13 members and ending lifetime appointments as well as rotating judges in and out of SCOTUS for many years. Like wanting to kill the filibuster, I think watching the disgusting and dogma-based decisions by the current SCOTUS will move Dems and a majority to supporting 13 justices. The problem is, thanks to Manchin and Sinema, will we have a democracy to elect Dems back in power after 2024? AdLib 17 hours ago

Folks have to say watching what took place yesterday and seeing Repubs licking their chops as they feel they are going to win both the House and Senate along with what DeSantis, and Abbot are doing we’re in for a major fight. twilson117 17 hours ago

Have you guys seen the MAGAs turning on T*****? Khirad 17 hours ago

Khirad – my experience w the GOP goes WAY back. With a brief exception in the 60s-early 70s, the GOP were always creeps and extremists. To wit – Joe McCarthy. That’s the kind I knew. choicelady 17 hours ago

Maher couldn’t run as a Repub but he sure couldn’t run as a Dem with his misogyny and racism. But he knows he could never win any election, he’s barely hanging onto his show with so many turning him off. AdLib 17 hours ago

Khirad – hell, the OATH KEEPERS are turning on Trump! choicelady 17 hours ago

CL – You have to ask what the meaning of “was mendacious” was. AdLib 17 hours ago

TW said = means a liar. Bill C. was that. choicelady 17 hours ago

Ad Life time appointments need to go for SCJ’s. It facilitates a level of complacency along with entitlement. twilson117 17 hours ago

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/ex-gop-senate-candidate-torches-maga-hat-challenges-trump-to-241-million-debate/ar-AAStyct Khirad 17 hours ago

CL – Just saying, when someone from another country disses the U.S. from an elitist standpoint, they really ought to consider why they would claim their country is superior. AdLib 17 hours ago

Ad – the prof I taught for was critiquing his own country’s primitive sense of humor, and noting it wasn’t much better here. I don’t know if he ever became an American citizen, but it’s moot – he died at age 51 back in the 90s. He was quite wonderful. I forgive him his US critiques. I loved him dearly. choicelady 17 hours ago

Just a heads up, Murph says hi, his computer isn’t allowing him to login and join the chat but he is reading along so say hi! AdLib 17 hours ago

HI MURPH!!!! choicelady 17 hours ago

Hi Murph twilson117 17 hours ago

TW – Indeed, it is elitist and unjust to give human beings such a status of a lifetime appointment to judge society and the lives of others. AdLib 17 hours ago

Hi, I’m also about to say bye and hi to the chick promising to pick me up at PDX at 12 am Khirad 17 hours ago

Bell well Khirad twilson117 17 hours ago

I can’t stay long myself. I’ve been exposed to COVID, got tested this afternoon, and found it all exhausting. NOT painful or anything, just psychologically blasting. I think I’m OK though the woman who has it is not. We are all triple vaxxed, but she got hit pretty hard with fatigue. So I’m hoping I dodged that bullet. But I was close to her unmasked so… My own damned fault. choicelady 17 hours ago

Have fun, Khirad!!! choicelady 17 hours ago

Ad as I said there was a time when Life time appointments made sense, but there was a time I use to read comic books also. twilson117 17 hours ago

CL – Now I feel bad for criticizing him. Sorry to hear. But my point is that crassness has always been a style of popular comedy throughout history, it is always the select group that is brilliant and clever at comedy IMO. AdLib 17 hours ago

Khirad – Safe travels! AdLib 17 hours ago

MURPH!!! AdLib 17 hours ago

Ad – yes, from earliest times through Shakespeare on, there is a buffoonery that is part of culture. choicelady 17 hours ago

MURPH!!! choicelady 17 hours ago

Hey Murph you made it on twilson117 17 hours ago

Murph must have the same gremlins in the works I often do. Glad to see you! choicelady 17 hours ago

Murph have to ask, what the hell is going on in your state? twilson117 17 hours ago

I am here at last. My internet has been acting up…I could read the whole conversation….very interesting….but coulld not participate. and then it started working. I had already sent Ad a text message asking him to pass on my regards. MurphTheSurf3 17 hours ago

I’m a very simple man https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nv6FMEvNiWo
https://www.youtube.com/embed/nv6FMEvNiWo?wmode=transparent&jqoemcache=r5uVh Khirad 17 hours ago

Well, damn – now you’re here, and I’m fading. I will keep you posted on whether I get Omicron or not. So far no word. But I am very tired. TTYL everyone – next week if I’m up for it. choicelady 17 hours ago

CL – Now I am concerned. I hope you are uninfected. We had a close call with my daughter’s friend getting Covid, got tested the next day, Rapid Test for daughter who was negative on it then negs on our PCRs the next day so all was well but psychosomatic worries while we waited for the results. AdLib 17 hours ago

TW…what specifically are you thinking of….there is so much that is so wrong here. MurphTheSurf3 17 hours ago

I leave you Aussie humour https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0rR9IaXH1M0
https://www.youtube.com/embed/0rR9IaXH1M0?wmode=transparent&jqoemcache=vJPFO Khirad 17 hours ago

TW – Well said, the time of old constructs like lifetime appointments is over. The idea was it would make them more impartial but they never figured people would live to 100 back then and stay on the court into their 90s. AdLib 17 hours ago

Murph as soon as I pushed send I lost my train of thought about what it was I wanted to talk about, old age is a pain. twilson117 17 hours ago

Choice….please stay well…..COVID remains a major public danger but so many have decided the worst is over that they are not paying attention. MurphTheSurf3 17 hours ago

I’m so glad she is OK!!! Yes, the psychological worry is almost as debilitating as the actual disease! choicelady 17 hours ago

CL – Please keep me updated and take care in the meantime! Get some rest! AdLib 17 hours ago

CL stay safe as best you can. twilson117 17 hours ago

What has happened to our friend from Atlanta….anyone know? MurphTheSurf3 17 hours ago

OK folks – I’m booking. I will talk with everyone next week. I will keep you posted, Ad, thank you. PROBABLY nothing. But…you never know. Thanks, TW. Good night Murph! choicelady 17 hours ago

CL – I woke up with a sore throat the day she told us her friend had Covid and was a bit concerned. By the next day, my sore throat was better though. AdLib 17 hours ago

Murph I think there was something about a shooting twilson117 17 hours ago

TW…a shooting? Hmmm….we are so gunned up here that shootings are not big news. MurphTheSurf3 17 hours ago

Ad make sure your daughter has plenty of winter gear it’s getting cold out this way and I mean cold. twilson117 17 hours ago

Murph – glenn popped in several weeks ago and mentioned that she was recouping at a facility and it was not easy to be on the computer there. I hope she has a better opportunity, she is truly missed. AdLib 17 hours ago

Glenn is a wonderful person. I have reached out to her but not gotten a reply. I worry. MurphTheSurf3 17 hours ago

TW – I texted her as soon as you told me, we will be shopping this weekend! AdLib 17 hours ago

Murph it was something that happened last week twilson117 17 hours ago

TW…I am drawing a blank. MurphTheSurf3 17 hours ago

Murph – Agreed, glenn is brilliant as all our folks are here and has a real sense of conscience. Not the same without her here. AdLib 17 hours ago

Murph I’ll have to look it up because right now I’m drawing a blank as well. twilson117 17 hours ago

Ad…I second your motion. MurphTheSurf3 17 hours ago

Well here we are what do we think about the rest of Biden’s agenda? twilson117 17 hours ago

TW…are you talking about the decision last week to not prosecute the shooter of a black man saying it was justified because the shooter was certain he was being mortally threatened. The facts do not seem to suport this. MurphTheSurf3 17 hours ago

Murph yes that was it. twilson117 17 hours ago

If they cannot figure out how to keep the House and Senate….he will have no agenda….that moves. MurphTheSurf3 17 hours ago

TW – I think Biden’s agenda is going to be very hobbled now as Manchin and Sinema see personal gain in blocking him, 99% of Dems and a majority of the country. Maybe a little more can get done via reconciliation but Manchin and Sinema may try to block that too. They are terrible people. AdLib 17 hours ago

Murph at the moment it doesn’t look good for dems on that area. twilson117 17 hours ago

Mancin and Sinema are taking the nation down the sewer. Detest them both. MurphTheSurf3 17 hours ago

Ad I was never for term limits but now with the way things have transpired over time term limits for the House and Senate are in order. twilson117 17 hours ago

Murph – Here is the twist that could help Dems this year to gain seats. The 1/6 committee and the DoJ prosecutions and investigations into the coordinated sedition by Trump and Repubs could poison them so much, along with Repubs dying in much bigger numbers than Dems, that Dems could hold both houses and even extend their majorities. But GOTV is huge with all the voter suppression laws being passed and Manchin and Sinema cheering it on. AdLib 17 hours ago

TW – I didn’t feel strongly about term limits as an issue in the past, I don’t think they should be too limiting but I think 20 years in Congress seems sufficient and long enough. AdLib 17 hours ago

So, doesn’t the scheme to overthrow our government and democracy seem to be pretty well-outlined now? AdLib 17 hours ago

We are seeing what we call a republic disassembling before our very eyes. Franklin’s response “if you can keep” has never been truer. twilson117 17 hours ago

Ad….I do hope that your insights here come to fruition. So many are paying no attention to those hearings or the prosecutions. In a time when the world is open thanks to the internet they have chosen to live in a very small space and to shut out anything that challenges their world view. MurphTheSurf3 17 hours ago

I repeat Adams’ statement to match Franklin: “All that it will take to bring down our republic is an uniformed citizenry.” MurphTheSurf3 16 hours ago

Ad I think 3 six year terms for Sen. and perhaps 7 two year terms for Cong. twilson117 16 hours ago

Murph we do seem to have an uninformed citizenry. twilson117 16 hours ago

Trump and his mob had planned to disrupt the 1/6 counting of electors by the VP if Pence wouldn’t declare states’ elections to be too fraudulent to count, have violence that justified him declaring martial law so he could sieze the ballots, have the fraudulent electors in several states be held up as legit and counted for him and/or have the election thrown to The House where he would be crowned “king” by the majority of Repub dominated states. A huge and coordinated conspiracy to overthrow America. Trump must be prosecuted. AdLib 16 hours ago

Uninformed and easily misled by their ignorant passions. MurphTheSurf3 16 hours ago

Ad,,,,,,if the powers that really seem to be the masters of our universe could be blocked, such charges would be very powerful. Unfortunate the Power Elites have chosen to back a corrupt government since it is so easily bought and/or subverted. MurphTheSurf3 16 hours ago

TW – It is alarming to see how The Senate, The SCOTUS, and an entire party have all become corrupt and pro-fascism. The only thing giving us any hope of surviving this intact is the courts. SCOTUS is destroying our government and society but they can only take on so many cases. If we could make one massive push this year to win despite all the autocratic oppression, if Dems could jeep the house and gain just 2 more Senate seats, we could see our country saved. AdLib 16 hours ago

Ad all the reporting coming out around what Trump** and his band of nitwits were doing to do what he claimed Dems were doing is a prelude for those who are far smarter than Trump** twilson117 16 hours ago

Ad….desperate hours I think. MurphTheSurf3 16 hours ago

Murph – I think that the upcoming public hearings by the 1/6 committee, which may or may not be in prime time, will be so shocking that the MSM will want to obsess on them and spread the news widely. AdLib 16 hours ago

TW – That sounds like a good term limit law to me. AdLib 16 hours ago

Ad…but who watches the MSM? And remember that MSM includes Fox, OAN, Sinclair and internet media that makes it hard for the truth to be promoted. MurphTheSurf3 16 hours ago

Well…this dose of sanity experienced here is a good way to end the week. MurphTheSurf3 16 hours ago

Murph – Agreed and if Repubs steal back control of government in 2022 and 2024, it will be a very short walk into plutocracy and autocracy with a criminality by the wealthy and powerful that will be unashamed and widespread. It was bad enough under Trump, if they get their hands on power again, they will break our justice system to pieces. As in all dictatorships. This is real and serious and impending. AdLib 16 hours ago

Ad….an accurate and frightening summary. MurphTheSurf3 16 hours ago

Murph – It will flood social media too, it will be a massive story that unfolds from what I’ve read. AdLib 16 hours ago

Ad…I hope that the counter noise will not deaden the impact of the narrative you are laying out. MurphTheSurf3 16 hours ago

I think 2022 is our last chance to stop the madness, violence and autocracy that 2024 will otherwise bring. We AdLib 16 hours ago

Ad you just described how democracy will die here in the US if something drastic doesn’t happen to prevent it. It won’t be the way the Oath Keepers, Proud Boys or any other paramilitary group thinks with violence. People like DeSantis et al will use our very own democracy to bring in autocratic rule twilson117 16 hours ago

We need to put everything on the line to keep The House and grow at least 2 seats in The Senate or it will be hell in 2024. AdLib 16 hours ago

Well, you both are speaking the truth…the sad, frightening and depressing truth. MurphTheSurf3 16 hours ago

And with that, I think I will crawl under the covers….see you next week. MurphTheSurf3 16 hours ago

You take care Murph twilson117 16 hours ago

TW – So true, FL is becoming an example of what will happen in the U.S. under a Repub autocracy. The president will be a rampaging, fascist criminal with his own private army as Barr set up for Trump and the oppression of the majority will be instituted. The RW religious extremists will have their Dominionism enforced on the majority and the wealthy will crush the incomes and savings of the 99%. AdLib 16 hours ago

Ad sadly you’re right. twilson117 16 hours ago

Hell is coming in 2024 thanks to Manchin and Sinema, unless we can pull out a two-seat gain in The Senate and keep the House this year. It can happen and people like Mark Elias who are fighting these voter suppression and gerrymandering laws in court are also part of the plan. AdLib 16 hours ago

SCOTUS has siad that they can’t touch gerrymandering so if Dems, Elias and others can defeat some of it as they succeeded this week in OH, and other oppressive laws can be thrown out for at least this year, we could squeak out an escape from autocracy. AdLib 16 hours ago

Ad a lot to think about. I’m going to have to call it a night. twilson117 16 hours ago

Okay, take care TW! And thanks for the heads up on the snowstorm coming! AdLib 16 hours ago

I will see you next week. twilson117 16 hours ago

Sounds good! AdLib 16 hours ago