Vox Populi, our weekly live chat about the week’s events begins tonight at 7:00pm PST. Hope to see you then! AdLib 4 hours ago

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Testing Khirad 2 hours ago

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There we go, pleas strike my desktop maestro? Khirad 2 hours ago

Murikkka, fuck yeah! I’m gonna take a break and be back. Khirad 2 hours ago

Hey AdLib twilson117 2 hours ago

hey TW! AdLib 2 hours ago

Sorry I didn’t make it last week was tied up with some other things. twilson117 2 hours ago

No worries, I had a family emergency come up at 6:30pm so I missed it too. My mother was ill, had to take her to the hospital. AdLib 2 hours ago

Wow hope she is doing better. twilson117 2 hours ago

She’s finally back at her place tonight, was in the hospital for a week. AdLib 2 hours ago

Well, glad to hear she is back home around familiar surroundings. twilson117 2 hours ago

Yes, It’s a big relief. AdLib 2 hours ago

So your daughter will be coming home for Thanksgiving? twilson117 2 hours ago

Hey Khirad! AdLib 2 hours ago

Hey Khirad twilson117 2 hours ago

TW – Yep, she’ll be here on Tuesday. AdLib 2 hours ago

I’m sure you’ll be happy about that. twilson117 2 hours ago

My birthday is the 29th and I have an Amazon wish list. Okay, just trying not to be angry right now Khirad 2 hours ago

I’m getting new glasses! Khirad 2 hours ago

TW – Yep, looking forward to it! AdLib 2 hours ago

Khirad – Angry about having a birthday coming up or making an Amazon wish list. AdLib 2 hours ago

Well Khirad allow me to wish you an early Happy Brithday. twilson117 2 hours ago

Khirad – Now that’s a great Christmas gift! AdLib 2 hours ago

Do we want to talk about it or not… I don’t need to. I’ve raged out. Khirad 2 hours ago

So how long before Kyle Rittenhouse runs for Congress? AdLib 2 hours ago

Exactly. Although he’s about Gaetz’ age preferance Khirad 2 hours ago

I give it a week before he announces. twilson117 2 hours ago

Trump/Rittenhouse 2024! AdLib 2 hours ago

WTF, Turley says prosecutors rushed charges… Khirad 2 hours ago

Turley is a RW nutter. He doesn’t know basics of law. AdLib 2 hours ago

I’m preaching to the choir but am boiling. Khirad 2 hours ago

Khirad – Boiling about Rittenhouse? AdLib 2 hours ago

Can the state retry? I don’t think so, but but they would have grounds with that judge Khirad 2 hours ago

Rittenhouse too young for VP but just right for Congress. twilson117 2 hours ago

Khirad – I don’t know that the state can appeal a not guilty decision. AdLib 2 hours ago

Hey CL twilson117 2 hours ago

Hey CL! Happy Anarchy Day! AdLib 2 hours ago

I don’t think so either. Khirad 2 hours ago

Hey all! Khirad – it’s your birthday soon? Hippity Hoppity Bethusday as Piglet said to Pooh. choicelady 2 hours ago

I hate to say it, but I almost want a gun … and that’s what pisses me off. It’s terrorism. Khirad 2 hours ago

I think too many forces, from nutjob judges to greedy MSM outlets, want to see a civil war break out. AdLib 2 hours ago

I’m more Eeyore, and pooh is banned in China Khirad 2 hours ago

Anarchy is what the GOP want, so it’s a perfect day. I heard it’s also Men’s Day – seems a fitting combo. choicelady 2 hours ago

So what are everyone’s thoughts on Kevin’s 8 1/2 hour ramble on the House Floor. twilson117 2 hours ago

Ade – why do the MSM want a civil war when they would be overrun by the Right? choicelady 2 hours ago

I know I’m supposed to be calm and trust in flower power but… Khirad 2 hours ago

tw – you have to remember I know Kevin. He was minority leader here. He was a totally dim bulb then. Hasn’t changed. Vapid ideological rants are all he knows choicelady 2 hours ago

Hey TW – didn’t notice your arrival. choicelady 2 hours ago

I’m just saying – get the old Black Panthers with assault rifles and see what happens. Khirad 2 hours ago

Khirad – I’m not against Dems having guns too, I fully understand that and could imagine it but I’m not looking to get one. AdLib 2 hours ago

Me neither, and I like my knives. I’m OG Khirad 2 hours ago

Khirad – there is a Black militia group forming for community defense. I am oddly not at all afraid of them. choicelady 2 hours ago

CL I don’t know the man but I’ve watched him and I have to say calling him a dim bulb is insulting bulbs.

twilson117 2 hours ago

I’ve seen those black militia groups. I love it. Khirad 2 hours ago

TW – true, but it’s hard to find a Kevvie equivalent that doesn’t insult that equivalent. choicelady 2 hours ago

CL I have no response to that.

twilson117 2 hours ago

CL – Men need a day? It’s men’s day every day of the year. AdLib 2 hours ago

That time when a person of color stood their ground and… Khirad 2 hours ago

Ad – I think it’s meant to remind men not to be assholes. Could be wrong. choicelady 2 hours ago

Red pill day! Khirad 2 hours ago

Khirad. – yes. I’d love to see the day equality before the gun pertains to POC. choicelady 2 hours ago

TW – I saw Gaetz diss Qevin after his 8 hour speech. He just wanted to break Pelosi’s record…and meanwhile, on his watch, Dems are passing the biggest programs since FDR. I don’t know that he would be voted in as Speaker if Repubs win The House in 2022. AdLib 2 hours ago

Anyone see PPO yet? I think – not sure – he’s on his way to Boston from Buffalo. choicelady 2 hours ago

Ad – no one liked Kevvie here. I suspect he began as he didn’t mean to go on. He’s a jerk. choicelady 2 hours ago

I love Bill Burr and think there are some fair points for men, but all the Men’s Rights people are also always – what’s that called when they get stopped by cops and start spouting the Constitution? They’re just pricks. Kens to the Karens Khirad 2 hours ago

Ad I agree with you on him not getting House Speaker if they win in 2022. twilson117 an hour ago

Khirad – there is the “Good Men’s Project” that I like a lot. But the men who need it won’t join. choicelady an hour ago

CL – The MSM wants a civil war because the greater the distress people are suffering, the more they tune into the news. MSM news companies’ income is a fraction of what it was when Trump was blowing up the country day after day. They thrive on outrage hence the pile on they’ve hit Biden with. AdLib an hour ago

Ad – that may be true, but in the larger picture, they will be nationalized by the New Right Freedom for Us but Not for You Party. choicelady an hour ago

Malignant Narcissist group therapy… attendance… 0 Khirad an hour ago

CL – Yes, Qevin is widely known to be completely hollow, no genuine beliefs or principles, just a simple-minded pig wanting to gobble up power. AdLib an hour ago

Khirad – bill it as a celebration, you’ll get them in droves. choicelady an hour ago

MSM has suffered greatly as they never really adapted to the changes in their industry. But I can’t disagree they chase the dirt were ever it leads. Like to old saying if it bleeds it leades. twilson117 an hour ago

Ad – I saw his “farewell” presentation to the Sac Press Club. I can attest that all of that is true. choicelady an hour ago

I don’t know where to go from here and feel better, but the whole ordeal today is more proof that white lives definitely matter more. Khirad an hour ago

TW – how did we go from Yellow Journalism of Hearst to Woodstein and back again? choicelady an hour ago

Khirad – The Rittenhouse verdict proves that if the Black Panthers marched with weapons, RW militias would feel free to get into a firefight with them and just cry on the stand and get away with it. AdLib an hour ago

Where is Edward R. Murrow when you need him???? choicelady an hour ago

Ad – Trust me on this – no RW wannabe would come near those new Black militia folks. They are downright scary to white wimps. choicelady an hour ago

Or the Symbionese Liberation Army? Sorry, Hearst… the castle is cool if you have a chance though Khirad an hour ago

I meant Hearst of the newpapers c. 1900. choicelady an hour ago

I don’t do Rococo. choicelady an hour ago

That’s it CL, they are inches with … I hate to say it – tiny “egos”? Khirad an hour ago

CL – In the GOP, I think it’s a prerequisite to be an obnoxious idiot. Look who they all follow and you can connect the dots between the MTGs, Boeberts, Gaetzs, Cruzs. etc. AdLib an hour ago

CL my guess is when papers started getting bought up by very rich people and they started cutting resources to increase the bottom line. twilson117 an hour ago

Don’t rococo me Amadeus if it’s not baroque Khirad an hour ago

CL _ Haven’t spotted PPO yet! AdLib an hour ago

Khirad – I was WAY too close to the SLA shoothout. Worked 6 blocks from the sporting good store they stuck up. They hold zero romance for me. choicelady an hour ago

Too soon? Sorry Khirad an hour ago

I think PPO may be en route. Or catching up with Fergie’s cousin, a priest. He’s in Boston through T’;giving then flies to Dublin a week from today. choicelady an hour ago

K – Hearst castle is WAY beyond Baroque. choicelady an hour ago

I don’t know why but I was thinking how Rittenhouse wouldn’t be a Rhode’s scholar and then thought he’d get along with Cecil rhodes. Khirad an hour ago

CL – The motto of corporatized businesses, including news corps, is make tons of money now and don’t worry about the future. These idiots have pushed down Biden’s numbers despite his huge accomplishments. They are nihlists in the end. As we discussed last week, Trump threatened the press as “Enemies of the People” and once he was gone, they’ve done their best to prove him right. AdLib an hour ago

Ad – did PPO tell you hes’ planning on coming back next summer as a tourist??? choicelady an hour ago

Ad – i don’t think anyone should aspire to live DOWN to Trump’s smears. choicelady an hour ago

BRB- choicelady an hour ago

I liked the castle as there were actors in period dress and in character. I had my Powell’s Books shirt on and one of them in a fedora broke character to talk about Portland. Khirad an hour ago

TW – And the huge thing is that very few and giant corporations control nearly all the MSM news outlets. And corporate bosses no longer have any hesitation about having their staffs bend their reporting to their benefit. AdLib an hour ago

If you’re ever in Death Valley, Scotty’s castle is neat too. Khirad an hour ago

Just saying if I won the lottery there’s no mystery what I’m doing. Khirad an hour ago

Ad it’s a bit of a double edge sword for the media. The are a business and need to make a profit. But, they are suppose to report the news in a fair and balance way, but fair and balance doesn’t sell papers if there isn’t some dirt associated with it. twilson117 an hour ago

Before I go, is my draft completely gone? AdLib? Khirad an hour ago

Fair and balanced… that’s hilarious. Also, Big Bird! Khirad an hour ago

Big Bird is my fave. Screw Ted Cruz. Figuratively. Literally is disgusting. choicelady an hour ago

I swear to god they’ve been trying to take down PBS since I can remember Khirad an hour ago

Fair and Balance is a bit of a stretch Khirad twilson117 an hour ago

And this is what infuriates me. They are ridiculous, but irony is dead. Khirad an hour ago

Own the libs… Khirad an hour ago

Repubs and their hatred for PBS is something I never understood. twilson117 an hour ago

Khirad – I hate to say it but because the Dem leadership is being so moderate in addressing this rising tide of sedition, racism and violence (instead of being aggressive in stomping it out), there is every incentive and IMO, probability that the only way to defeat the insurgents will be in the violent and autocratic conflict they bring to the majority of Americans. Repubs won’t even condemn Gosar for inciting the murder of AOC and Biden. We’ve crossed the line of peaceful deterrence I think. The likelihood of violence and overthrow of our democracy seems very high. AdLib an hour ago

K – little do they know they are undermining themselves. choicelady an hour ago

CL, I’m more nihilistic and like your hope. Khirad an hour ago

Ad – WHAT can the electeds do they aren’t doing when what they were elected TO DO is restore peace? I know and have since Obama, that strong statements are sent almost daily to media – and nothing gets printed, broadcast, no interviews. MEDIA ARE OUR PROBLEM, not the Dems. choicelady an hour ago

CL – I would take a Murrow or a Rather as a media star right now. Rachel does a good job but it’s not enough, we need more journalists with guts punching out these madmen who control the other major party. AdLib an hour ago

I’m not being mean, and I know how shit it is to make fun of someone for being old, but anyone else notice Gosar’s head jerks? Khirad an hour ago

I kinda lost it with Rachel. I dunno, she panders too much. Khirad an hour ago

I am totally in agreement. We have a wimpy journalism. They ignore EVERYONE who is rational or even outspoken. I have been a victim of it often. choicelady an hour ago

CL – No, I didn’t hear PPO mention coming back as a tourist next year. Did he tell you that? AdLib an hour ago

K – Gosar has something really wrong. It’s NOT age. He has a neurological disorder that MAY account for his insanity, too. choicelady an hour ago

I don’t watch TV much anymore. I watch my YouTubes and such. Khirad an hour ago

Ad – Yes – he told me in Twitter DM. Said he would tell you, but he’s been swamped with Buffalo Family Stuff. choicelady an hour ago

K – I don’t watch anything but MSNBC. choicelady an hour ago

CL, that’s what I’m saying, his tics are alarming. Even if he were liberal, I would be concerned clinically. Khirad an hour ago

K – yes. He actually exhibits some serious deficits. choicelady an hour ago

I though Gosar was just being a typical nihilistic ass. twilson117 an hour ago

I’ll give you a list of my favorites later, but even MSNBC is corporate. Khirad an hour ago

TW – well, there IS that, but no, there is something really wrong w him. choicelady an hour ago

TW – In the good old days, newspapers and news shows were not expected to make a profit. They were providing a vital service…like police and fire departments don’t make profits. But once the corporations grabbed them all, they are all now expected to make profits as their first duty, which decimates their real purpose. They serve little purpose now except to incite conflict between both parties. AdLib an hour ago

K – I know that. Best of a bad lot. I wish CNN would sell itself back to Ted Turner. He’d snap them out of it! choicelady an hour ago

Gosh, AD – you disappeared!!! choicelady an hour ago

I’m here! AdLib an hour ago

Gosar’s district…https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arizona%27s_4th_congressional_district Khirad an hour ago

Khirad – Your draft is still there! AdLib an hour ago

OK guys – love to you all and Happy T’giving. Ad love to the women in your life from me. My shoulder is SCREAMING, so I need to stop. typing is exacerbating the injury. Hugs all around. Hope to see you next week. Enjoy your T’giving as best as you can. Love to Murph if he shows, and PPO of course. And any random stranger who might pass by. Good night! choicelady an hour ago

I’m going to check on that, because, I swear I lost about 75% of my draft Khirad an hour ago

If need be I’ll rewrite it. It’s my passion project to tell you about Vantucky, the Couve in Washington, the state! See ya guys! Khirad an hour ago

Ad I agree. Things for newspaper and news organizations changed when the bottom line became the most important thing. It’s when we saw the loss of papers. Where there used to be two or three major papers in major met areas now down to one. twilson117 an hour ago

Hello…been trying to get on for a while…on and off. MurphTheSurf3 an hour ago

Murph good to see you. twilson117 an hour ago

CL – Dem leaders need to quit trying to flirt with Repub voters and declare the GOP a seditious, hollow, unprincipled and racist party that has no interest in helping the people, just taking money and power. They need to savage the GOP and instead they speak very politely about how they disagree with their “friends” across the aisle. The same “friends” still whipping up their followers to murder Dem pols. AdLib an hour ago

CL…I see you are here…thanks for the greetings. MurphTheSurf3 an hour ago

Hey Murph! AdLib an hour ago

Hello TW and Ad…. MurphTheSurf3 an hour ago

Reading over the conversation… MurphTheSurf3 an hour ago

Khirad – I’ve had issues with Rachel at times, especially when she seemed to turn against all the Progressive candidates for President eventually but she is one of the few hosts who has a staff doing investigative journalism. AdLib an hour ago

TW – And the papers that are left are driven by profits because subscriptions and advertising are down. A real vicious circle. AdLib an hour ago

Ad the age of reaching across the aisle starting on its death spiral with Newt and escalated with McConnell. twilson117 an hour ago

Interesting discussion about the media environment these days…… MurphTheSurf3 an hour ago

Murph – I can’t figure out for sure why you have trouble getting on Vox but the most likely issue may be your computer’s browser cache. Clearing it and restarting your browser should work usually but if not, following with restarting your computer should do the trick. AdLib an hour ago

Ad yes it’s vicious circle for print news in the paper format. Don’t forget they were caught flat footed when the internet essentially made them obsolete. twilson117 an hour ago

A friend, who was a journalist for nearly 40 years, points to the demise of print journalism as the proximate cause for the decline in the quality of broadcast journalism. MurphTheSurf3 an hour ago

As you know if you want to read a major paper it’s behind a paywall. I have two subscriptions I maintain, NYT and WaPo and I have to say they’re expensive when you’re on a budget. twilson117 an hour ago

TW – This is why I am on the Dem leadership for trying bipartisanship for so long when Repubs snicker that they will do everything they can to keep Dems from claiming a win. It’s so obvious but Dems can’t help but keep trying to convince a shark it doesn’t want to eat. AdLib an hour ago

Murph I’ve found what plays for broadcast journalism extremely lacking if we’re talking about nightly news. twilson117 an hour ago

TW…..I read Time, the Atlantic, WAPO and NYT……I am watching less and less broadcast news and do not listen to talk radio at all. MurphTheSurf3 an hour ago

Ad not much I can disagree with you on how the Dems and Repugs act toward each other. twilson117 an hour ago

Murph – I’ll add one more level to that, the decline and corruption of journalism has led to this decline in sanity and democracy. When journalists both-sides everything to not lose readers and viewers and can’t come together with a single voice to condem the destruction of our democracy and society, they fail the nation and are actually providing aid and comfort to those who would burn down our country. AdLib an hour ago

Murph In addition to the newspapers I have several mag subscriptions The Atlantic is one. twilson117 an hour ago

Ad….the GOP offers a united front anchored in a carefully defined agenda/set of priorities which supercharges its base. The diversity in the Dem ranks makes such positioning very difficult, nigh on impossible. MurphTheSurf3 an hour ago

TW – Yes, same here, have WAPO and NYT subscriptions but both are digital only. A helpful tip, they usually offer discount subscriptions around this time, around Thanksgiving and Black Friday. It helps. AdLib an hour ago

Ad….I remember when electronic platforms were being hailed as the ultimate democratizers….but have proven most effective in the hands of neo-fascists. MurphTheSurf3 an hour ago

Ad I’ve had my NYT and WaPo subs for several years now, so I plan to keep them as they are a main source for. As to watching MSNBC, as you know I’ve taken a break from them for the rest of the year. twilson117 an hour ago

Murph – I think it’s been instinctual for a lot of reasonable people, once the MSM turned on Biden and supported the lies and propoganda during the Afghanistan withdrawal, to just walk away from tv news. They are unprincipled as a whole, with individual exceptions and they are helping pour gasoline on the fire of anarchy from the GOP and Trumpers. Because it profits them. Very simple and offensive. I’m done with tv news for now, with ocassional exceptions to watch Maddow once in a while when there’s a huge story going on. AdLib an hour ago

Ad….you and I are on the same page. MurphTheSurf3 an hour ago

I watched a tiny bit of MSNBC and they had some lawyer who was praising the defense for Rittenhouse and justifying the not guilty verdict. That trial was a kangaroo court from start to finish and that judge is a racist nutjob. But yeah, stoking racial violence is good for the MM bottom line. AdLib an hour ago

Sidenote- lots of hooting, hollering and celebrating here over the Rittenhouse verdicts…. MurphTheSurf3 an hour ago

The anarchy that is being encouraged in judgments like these sowing the wind to reap the whirlwind. MurphTheSurf3 an hour ago

Murph, you me and Ad are part of a group who can appreciate the modernization of national papers such as the NYT and WaPo and no doubt have digital subscriptions. But the younger generation, well the don’t read on the same level we do. They make their decision in short bites and look to the non-traditional sources for their information which in a lot of cases can be too easily manipulated. twilson117 an hour ago

Murph – Boiling it down, it’s so easy for an authoritarian, destructive and hateful group to rally around propoganda in a single-minded way, It’s always been true in history. What needs more work is for thoughtful people trying to help their fellow citizens to have simple attack messages against the enemies of democracy and the public welfare. That is what Dems are too shy about. They should all condemn the GOP as a violence promoting cult that only wants to steal power and money from the majority. A simple message like that by ALL Dems. Not happening and Repubs are winning because breaking something is always easier than building something. AdLib an hour ago

TW…the younger generation’s learning habits are by and large miserable and encourage a level of self righteous ignorance that empowers those for whom messaging comes down to simple ideas appealing to the simple-minded and easily aroused. MurphTheSurf3 an hour ago

All these folks who want see Rittenhouse as some sort of hero just wish they could do what he did. twilson117 44 minutes ago

Murph – Glad to hear it, I think everyone here is all on the same page and generally, many thoughtful people who stay informed about what’s really going on probably are too. AdLib 44 minutes ago

Murph I agree with you. twilson117 43 minutes ago

Murph – This Rittenhouse verdict just opened the flood gates to bloody murders at protests by ANY black or liberal activists from now on. It’s open season and people will be murdered because of what this judge and jury did today. AdLib 43 minutes ago

I told some friends today that this 71 year old sees little to be hopeful about across the board……only one of our group of 6 disagreed. MurphTheSurf3 42 minutes ago

ad……the rittenhouse verdict puts us one step closer to a presumption that civil disorder is the only tool that opposing sides have that they can use effectively. MurphTheSurf3 41 minutes ago

TW – You said it so well! Absolutely, too many younger people and for that matter, many under-informed people addicted to social media are so manipulated by these mega-companies and it’s no accident. Many forces pushing the country into a violent, terrorized place because it benefits them and grows their power and wealth. Social media is generally poison. AdLib 41 minutes ago

Murph I believe their analytical skills are not as sharp as they could be if they had a wider reading platform. There is a lot to be learned from books and newspapers. twilson117 41 minutes ago

Ad…social media really IS poisonous….it demeans real efforts at honest and informed debate while celebrating hooliganism and ballyhooing. MurphTheSurf3 39 minutes ago

TW – Did you see the video of a RW nutjob at some rally where they asked, “When do we get to start shooting them?!” This is where we are and worse. This trial just told that guy, “Now, you can start murdering anyone you see as a political enemy, now!” AdLib 39 minutes ago

TW…..by and large we have lost the ability to engage in meaningful debate across the board…..from young to old. MurphTheSurf3 38 minutes ago

Ad I read about it. It’s that level of stupidity that has come forward and I lay that at the feet of Trump** because he made okay to behave badly. twilson117 38 minutes ago

Well…friends….on these cheery notes I need to leave you…….my days are just getting away from me. I seem to have less and less time (but, of course, that is true of life in general). MurphTheSurf3 36 minutes ago

Murph, the question I want to ask a lot of these folks who think they need another civil war or revolution, is if you destroy this form of governance what will you replace it with? twilson117 36 minutes ago

Murph – you know that I am an optimist. But I see a terrible path ahead if Dems can’t pass Voting Rights protections. If those pass, I am optimistic that most Americans will support our democracy and stomping out this insurgency/neo-Nazi movement. So I still have some optimism. But without that, we are in for autocraies in state governments and federally. Then, the corruption and oppression and violence against citizens by their government will become horrible. And it will take a very long time and a dangerous trek to defeat such a dictatorship. AdLib 35 minutes ago

TW—-anarchy! given credence by language that claims it to be “the people speaking”…..think of the seizure of the capitol as a model interaction in that mind set. MurphTheSurf3 35 minutes ago

Ad….your scenario re. is one that I believe is not only possible but increasingly likely. MurphTheSurf3 34 minutes ago

Murph if they want anarchy then they really want no government at all. twilson117 34 minutes ago

TW – The problem that is exacerbated by the both-sides mentality of the press, is that when one side wants to overthrow democracy, lies and deceives constantly and does the bidding of the wealthy to oppress the majority, there are not two decent sides of a conflict. It’s like both-sidesing with the Nazis in WWII. AdLib 33 minutes ago

TW….they believe, by and large that what they want is in the best tradition of American governance…the wild west…all a myth but quite beguiling. MurphTheSurf3 33 minutes ago

Murph – I could even imagine a military takeover of the U.S. in that scenario. Which may help preserve democracy but would be madness to have to do. AdLib 32 minutes ago

Murph if they want an authoritative form of government then they clearly want to give up their freedom because we have historical and current examples of how well those forms of governing work. twilson117 32 minutes ago

The very instruments that were hailed as the great equalizers in access to information have become the principle sources of deeply engrained falsehood. MurphTheSurf3 31 minutes ago

TW…but they have convinced/deluded themselves that they are true patriots representing the best traditions of American representational democracy. MurphTheSurf3 30 minutes ago

And with those sad words….I am heading to bed. Best to all. MurphTheSurf3 30 minutes ago

Murph – I don’t know, I find Repubs to be all about lying to present a phony reason to justify their nasty words and acts. They play the game and Dems participate. I think they should call out the Repubs for being flat out nasty and not worry about chasing Repub voters. Let them go, pass voting rights and pump up GOTV with lazy Dems. AdLib 29 minutes ago

Murph and Ad think about it, the form of government they want is what we have, because any other is just play tyranny. twilson117 29 minutes ago

TW – This could be the last democratically elected president we see in our lifetime. Consider that. If voting rights aren’t passed in Congress, it’s over for a very ling time. AdLib 28 minutes ago

long AdLib 28 minutes ago

Ad I have considered it. twilson117 28 minutes ago

I am not one who gives into fear or scaring others. I am looking at this very level headed. With all of the changes all Repub-run states are passing, to give their party control over voting and overriding voters for trumped up accusations of fraud, democracy is over, at least for a long while, if they aren’t stopped. AdLib 27 minutes ago

And stopped before next year’s election because that’s our last chance. AdLib 26 minutes ago

Ad I have to be honest, for the moment I’ve push the issue of the voting rights act aside for a short moment. It’s something that is important to me, and it’s needed, but I just can’t shake how it feels as if it will not solve the problem. I have to be honest I’m able to fully express myself on it just yet. twilson117 25 minutes ago

I’m going to sign off. Ad enjoy your time with your daughter and have a great Thanksgiving. twilson117 22 minutes ago

The Voting Rights bill won’t solve everything but it will stop the “legal” theft of power by the minority. It means we can win in any election if we GOTV. But there will still be fascist Repub governments in cities and states. Many Repubs including Trump, Cruz, McConnell, etc. have admitted that if such a bill was to be passed, they might never win the presidency again. They fear voting rights because they know it is a firebreak that their wildfire of fascism can’t leap. But there would still be so much more to do. AdLib 21 minutes ago

Thanks TW! Happy Thanksgiving to you and your family too!

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