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Vox Populi – 08-20-2021

August 20, 2021

Vox Populi, our weekly live chat about the week’s events begins tonight at 7:00pm PDT. Hope to see you then! AdLib 3 hours ago

Hey Khirad! AdLib 2 hours ago

I got some chores to do, I’ll be back later. I know everyone is itching for my take on Afghanistan (I flatter myself) – be back in 15 or a half. Khirad 2 hours ago

Sounds good! See you then! AdLib 2 hours ago

Hey PPO! AdLib 2 hours ago

PPO – Are you two still doing well after your vax? AdLib 2 hours ago

Hi Ad. Khirad. Entire State will lock down as of 1 pm this afternoon, 2 hours notice! pinkpantheroz 2 hours ago

Awful but better than being in FL or TX and having Covidpalooza. AdLib 2 hours ago

Has NZ locked down or just shut down the borders? AdLib 2 hours ago

Ad, thank you, yes. No side effects so far for me. Fergie had a couple of days with deep chills but they’re gone now. Apparently 28 days is the charm. If no clots or problems in that time, all is fine. pinkpantheroz 2 hours ago

Sorry, this is the Astra Zenica stuff pinkpantheroz 2 hours ago

Sorry Fergie had to deal with that but good to hear there were no severe side effects. AdLib 2 hours ago

Right, that’s all you can get in Australia, right? AdLib 2 hours ago

Hi Angela! AdLib 2 hours ago

hi Angela Bridgman 2 hours ago

how ya doing, ad? Angela Bridgman 2 hours ago

wassup, Khirad, PPO? Angela Bridgman 2 hours ago

Pretty well, Angela. Had a local but enjoyable few days vacation and feeling good. AdLib 2 hours ago

Covidpalooza was in Chicago. I know, I am originally from Chicago Angela Bridgman 2 hours ago

No pfizer and Moderna now trickling in, but being kept for the rich, powerful and connected! Us old farts get the AZ! pinkpantheroz 2 hours ago

Hi angela pinkpantheroz 2 hours ago

Angela – Yep but using that term for non-music-festival-related-Repub-states too. AdLib 2 hours ago

Fuck the rich, goddam bastards always keep the good shit for themselves….selfish bastards Angela Bridgman 2 hours ago

One flight out of Kabul – 700 people. 4 aussie flights out of Kabul 50! Disgraceful. Too little too late pinkpantheroz an hour ago

Evening all (Glday, PPO). How are you? choicelady an hour ago

I got two Pfizer shots, and will get a booster as soon as the gov’t says I am eligible, I will be right there rolling up my sleeve, hell yes…COVID scares the literal fuck out of me Angela Bridgman an hour ago

Hi, CL! pinkpantheroz an hour ago

It couldn’t be clearer why the 1% are pushing for authoritarianism that they control, the divide between them and the 99% is getting past the point of people accepting it. AdLib an hour ago

Hey CL! AdLib an hour ago

Hey PPO! Hi Ad, Angela, Khirad, too! choicelady an hour ago

When do we finally get to drag out the torches and pitchforks, Ad? Mine are ready and can’t wait to use them Angela Bridgman an hour ago

After thirty years of a shit life because of them…I want a pound of flesh! Angela Bridgman an hour ago

And I know I am not alone Angela Bridgman an hour ago

PPO – That is very disappointing, all the focus on the US flying out Afghans who helped against the Taliban while US allies do very little. AdLib an hour ago

Angela – against whom will you use the pitchforks and torches because I did during the last four years. Not so interested in it now. choicelady an hour ago

Well, some allies ought to be taking in refugees at least temporarily Angela Bridgman an hour ago

speed up the process of getting folks out. Seven hours flights out delayed because the drop point in Qatar at capacity Angela Bridgman an hour ago

Angela – my understanding is Canada, UK, Qattar, and other places ARE taking refugees. choicelady an hour ago

Allies could provide more drop points Angela Bridgman an hour ago

Yes, but we need more IMMEDIATE DROP POINTS Angela Bridgman an hour ago

So that we do not have to stop flying peeps out again like we did earlier Angela Bridgman an hour ago

Yes, Ad. Our Miserable PM was asked to assist the interpreters and helpers of the Aussie contingent months ago,, but as usual drwagged his feet and is now making excuses why some may not get out. Add of ycourse his Gov’t racism toward non-white refugees and it gets sinister. pinkpantheroz an hour ago

One question – why do we continue to believe that disasters should run as efficiently as businesses? choicelady an hour ago

Angela – Same here, I’m anxious to get my booster shot when it’s time. I have lost all sympathy and patience for anyone who hasn’t gotten the vaccine. Ignorance is no longer an excuse. Let them be the last in line at hospitals behind vaccinated people who get Covid, have strokes or other emergencies. If they insist on being culled from the herd, we can’t stop them. AdLib an hour ago

Ad…I have a better idea…and let me spell this one out… Angela Bridgman an hour ago

I am trying to start the conversation on this….because starting the convo is how policy change finally happens. Angela Bridgman an hour ago

Here is how it goes… Angela Bridgman an hour ago

Ad – did you see some hospitals in Alabama (I think) are going to triage and that triage will be based in no small part on whether you refused masks and vaccinations. choicelady an hour ago

If you are age-eligible to be vaxxed, have no legitimate medical contraindication to being vaxxed…and you have not been vaxxed… Angela Bridgman an hour ago

NO MORE GOVERNMENT ASSISTANCE/HELP WITH COVID CARE COSTS!! Angela Bridgman an hour ago

Angela – I think the majority of Americans may revolt in a way exponentially bigger than the George Floyd protests if the GOP succeed in corrupting elections. But it will be a modern version of civil war, I fear. AdLib an hour ago

In other worrds… Angela Bridgman an hour ago

Hey Murph! AdLib an hour ago

Murph! pinkpantheroz an hour ago

GET VAXXED OR GET BILLED!! Angela Bridgman an hour ago

Hi Murph!! choicelady an hour ago

hey Murph Angela Bridgman an hour ago

Angela – Alabama is going WAY beyond your point. They will NOT TREAT people who have refused preventive care. choicelady an hour ago

There ya go…I have been here the whole time but the system would not connect me…so I finally rebooted it and voila! c’est moi! MurphTheSurf3 an hour ago

PPO – It’s so hard to understand why such a feckless and corrupt PM isn’t way down in public opinion. AdLib an hour ago

Seriously. If you are age-eligible to be vaxxed, are not someone with a legitimate medical reason to not vax….and you CHOOSE to not vax…no more gov’t help for COVID care costs…and no insurance help either. Angela Bridgman an hour ago

GET VAXXED OR GET BILLED Angela Bridgman an hour ago

That will never happen until full FDA apporival of course, but it needs to happen. Angela Bridgman an hour ago

CL …. how is Alabama doing that? MurphTheSurf3 an hour ago

Triage goes back to Napoleonic times when battlefield hospitals had to make firm decisions on whom to save, whom to abandon. Hospitals have always done that in mass casualty events. Well…this is just a factor in that decision making. choicelady an hour ago

Right now, most if not all insurance is waiving all out of pocket expenses for COVID care. Angela Bridgman an hour ago

That stoips for the unvaxxed who CHOOSE to be unvaxxed. Angela Bridgman an hour ago

Liek I said, GET VAXXED OR GET BILLED Angela Bridgman an hour ago

Nice slogan, huh? Angela Bridgman an hour ago

CL – I saw that TX doctors had floated that idea, quietly de-prioritizing unvaccinated people for beds and medical attention but they came out to deny it. AL too? AdLib an hour ago

He has finally been caught out as a charlatan, but we’re so gerrymandered and glued to voting the same way, that the bugger may actually be reelected! Hopefully not pinkpantheroz an hour ago

To hell with de-prioritizing them, though I think that should happen too. I SAY WE PRIORITIZE THEM TO BE BILLED FOR THEIR CARE!! Angela Bridgman an hour ago

GET VAXXED OR GET BILLED – I like the slogan Angela Bridgman an hour ago

Murph – perfectly legal. We triage on organ transplants based on lifestyle and the probability of taking care of one’s transplanted organ. We use behavior to determine joint replacements. We determine dialysis based on probable outcomes in diet and behaviors. This is the same. choicelady an hour ago

Agree, CL Angela Bridgman an hour ago

Angela – if we don’t treat them, they won’t be billed. choicelady an hour ago

I like creating memes nobody gets on FB. I posted a plague doctor with the words – you have a vaccine? Khirad an hour ago

But if they GET treatment…THEY GET BILLED Angela Bridgman an hour ago

Angela – That’s already happening, insurance companies announced that they are no longer waiving deductables which de facto means that the unvaccinated who represent the majority of patients in hospitals now, will be paying for much of their bills. AdLib an hour ago

No more government help with COVID care costs, and no more insurance waiving out-of-pocket expenses from COVID care. Angela Bridgman an hour ago

Get vaxxed or get billed Angela Bridgman an hour ago

Khirad – Twitter is running an ad selling Plague Doctor Halloween masks. You’re right in line for one. choicelady an hour ago

Angela – get vaxxed or only palliative care IF ANY. choicelady an hour ago

THAT would cause a lot of folks to get vaxxed…if not getting vaxxed could bankrupt them Angela Bridgman an hour ago

I’m still into my Stasi uniform CL. Khirad an hour ago

Or they could be left to die. choicelady an hour ago

I like that, too, CL Angela Bridgman an hour ago

CL – Really? That’s amazing! And the Repubs in AL government aren’t trying to prevent them from refusing to treat the unvaccinated? AdLib an hour ago

Khirad! LOL! choicelady an hour ago

Murph, it is not happening yet. Angela Bridgman an hour ago

Ad – how CAN they when there are absolutely NO BEDS for anyone. choicelady an hour ago

I literally collect East German stuff. Khirad an hour ago

Murph – Sorry you had trouble getting on but glad you were persistent and here! AdLib an hour ago

And the insurances need to STILL WAIVE THOSE COSTS FOR THE VAXXED Angela Bridgman an hour ago

I’m so tired of talking about vaccines when the rest of the world would love it. Khirad an hour ago

Why should I be bankrupted because some pigheaded motherfucker who refused vax got me sick…when I have done everything responsible to keep from getting sick? Angela Bridgman an hour ago

CL….yes…that connection makes sense….I have not heard of the application to COVID MurphTheSurf3 an hour ago

Sorry for the language there but I am just SO DONE being at all nice about this Angela Bridgman an hour ago

Murph – it just happened this week out if sheer desperation. choicelady an hour ago

CL…where? I missed that. MurphTheSurf3 an hour ago

CL, I say kick the unvaxxed out of their beds. NOW Angela Bridgman an hour ago

Murph – I believe it’s Alabama. choicelady an hour ago

Kick them out. Angela Bridgman an hour ago

CL…I need to look for the stories. MurphTheSurf3 an hour ago

How about the right against Afghan refugees, when we have domestic terrorists inspired by them. Khirad an hour ago

PPO – That would be another knife in the back of democracy in Australia. The gerrymandering across the democratic countries is bad enough but as it guarantees power to those only supported by a minority, democracy is killed and people will get angrier and angrier. A powderkeg building. AdLib an hour ago

Triage is a legal and necessary part of mass casualty events. Well this is that. choicelady an hour ago

cl, apparently the report is being walked back. pinkpantheroz an hour ago

Nobody should die from a heart attack or stroke or major car accident because some pigheaded asshole refused to get vaxxed and got to the ER first Angela Bridgman an hour ago

Agre, CL. And the pigheads are the ones who should be triaged out of care. Angela Bridgman an hour ago

CL – True but as beds come available, they’re saying that they won’t give them to the unvaccinated? AdLib an hour ago

I am sorry to hear that, PPO. choicelady an hour ago

Why should they? Save the beds for others who need them who were responsible. Angela Bridgman an hour ago

Speaking of Australia, Jim Jeffries nailed America with FREEDUMB Khirad an hour ago

Seriously, Ad….as long as there are limited number of beds available…the unvaxxed should not get them AT ALL Angela Bridgman an hour ago

Vaccine Hesistant is the most whitewashed way to say stupid and selfish pieces of shit. Khirad an hour ago

PPO – I’m not seeing a renunciation of that as a factor in triage when I Google, but you know it depends on how the question is asked. choicelady an hour ago

Khirad – yes it IS. choicelady an hour ago

I refuse to use the term “vaccine hesitant” – “stupid pigheaded selfish motherfucker” is a better phrase for them. Angela Bridgman an hour ago

*I’m on Safari and need new glasses, how can I increase the font size here? Khirad an hour ago

Angela – the INTENTIONALLY unvaccinated. There are thousands who have not gotten access (Black people) and those w med conditions who can’t be. choicelady an hour ago

Angela – I agree but insurance companies are greedy and see this as an opportunity to bring back deductibles for all. If you’re vaccinated and the anti-vaxxers infect you, you do get screwed but overall, the unvaccinated will be on the hook financially. AdLib an hour ago

Yeah….I am THAT FAR GONE….no longer even willing to be nice about this. Those shitheads are killing people and don’t care. Angela Bridgman an hour ago

So why should I care if they die? Angela Bridgman an hour ago

Yes, I know, AdLib…you do know I work with insurance, right? Angela Bridgman an hour ago

Khirad – You know how the right is about terrorism, Americans First. AdLib an hour ago

We don’t care if they die, but for mutations. For perspective, the Spanish Flu lasted 3 and a half years. Khirad an hour ago

Ad – ACA is back in play so the rules on deductibles have been restored. NO discrimination on pre existing conditions, no abusive charges. choicelady an hour ago

Khirad, top right corner – 3 dots increase screen zoom . I’m on 125% pinkpantheroz an hour ago

Like I said…why should I be bankrupted if I get COVID….when I did everything right….and some pigheaded asshole gives me COVID? Angela Bridgman an hour ago

America first – like Ruby Ridge and can’t wait how they react to the terrorist that got shot at the insurrection with the cop getting off. Khirad an hour ago

CL – Then it is TX where the docs said they would de-prioritize patients. They did walk that back. AdLib an hour ago

Khirad – my father and his older sister got the flu 1918. Both wound up later with Parkinsons. There are consequences to the responsible for the actions of the irresponsible. choicelady an hour ago

Ad – docs should just DO what they know is best practices and not announce it. choicelady an hour ago

And that is why the irresponsibe are stupid selfish pigheaded motherfuckers Angela Bridgman an hour ago

Every doc has the right to refuse to treat the non compliant. choicelady an hour ago

CL, the point of announcing it….is to scare the living crap out of the unvaxxed….to get them to vax. Angela Bridgman an hour ago

Greene was all like the FDA doesn’t support it yet. And then said even when it did. Like, no shit, you don’t care about the FDA – it’s so disingenuous. Khirad an hour ago

Khirad, they can’t say anything, because they stay silent when cops get off after shooting POC. pinkpantheroz an hour ago

Angela – No, I didn’t realize you worked in insurance. So you know what’s going on now. It will screw some vaccinated people but 90% and more who will have to pay will be the anti-vaxxers. AdLib an hour ago

Angela – I know, but if there is too much pushback, they should just DO it and not announce it. choicelady an hour ago

The military has every right to institute it. Khirad an hour ago

I know, Ad…but I say the vaxxed should still be covered. Angela Bridgman an hour ago

ONLY the unvaxxed should lose the waiver. Why should a responsible vaxxed person that gets unlucky be bankrupted? Angela Bridgman an hour ago

I heard something – and don’t dog pile me – but I still smoke. We have to pay more for insurance. Rightly so. As should they for making an equally if not worse decision. I smoke in private. Khirad an hour ago

EXACTLY, Khirad. And don’t worry, I am also a smoker. Angela Bridgman an hour ago

And I know I pay more for health insurance because of it. Angela Bridgman an hour ago

We live in a society that equates unfettered freedom and the right to demand social supports for the consequences of our actions. Started w motorcycle helmets. You blow your brains in an accident w no helmet -you still demand lifetime care from society. choicelady an hour ago

Khirad – Terrorist in other countries are just sitting back and clinking beer bottles as they watch toothless hicks driving their $30k trucks up to the Library of Congress and threaten to blow it up. Economic forgotten people, my ass. Ignorant, racist authoritarians as we thought from the beginning. AdLib an hour ago

Ad – they aren’t economic forgotten people. They are well off and want more and DAMNED well don’t want Black and Brown people to have the same. choicelady an hour ago

Agree, Ad. I am a very long economically-forgotten person….in an equally economically-forsaken minority group. You don’t see US driving around with fucking bombs…though heaven knows we have enough reason to, LOL Angela Bridgman an hour ago

CL – Agreed, hospitals should just not announce any policy and just relegate anti-vaxxers to stay in the waiting rooms as vaccinated people come in and get beds. AdLib an hour ago

I’m sick of the “economically anxious” label. $30K truck(s)??? I freaking can’t afford THAT. choicelady an hour ago

GHi, TW! pinkpantheroz an hour ago

Hey everyone twilson117 an hour ago

Hi TW!!! choicelady an hour ago

Believe me…we have more than enough reason to be very fucking angry….at the way America has failed to live up to its promise to people like us. Yet, as I said, you don’t see US driving around with fucking bombs. Angela Bridgman an hour ago

Shit, my fucking mobile home cost less than $30K Angela Bridgman an hour ago

Sorry I’m late twilson117 an hour ago

I paid $26,500 for my mobile home. Angela Bridgman an hour ago

Angela – There might be too many problems with insurance companies trying to choose vaccinated people to have their bills covered but why don’t Dems add to the reconcilliation bill, billions to pay for the medical bills of the vaccinated who get Covid? AdLib an hour ago

I am worn out today…so I am just reading along…still here, learning from you all. MurphTheSurf3 an hour ago

Can I get a screen shot how to increase the font size? I’m having trouble. Khirad an hour ago

Hey TW! Great to see you whenever you’re here! AdLib an hour ago

By the time I pay it off with all the interest, it will be $38,000 and change. FOR A FUCKING HOME….not a goddam truck! Angela Bridgman an hour ago

Ad, you can bet I will be talking to my Congressman’s office Angela Bridgman an hour ago

Khirad – I use control and + to increase size. choicelady an hour ago

I don’t know how to get a screen shot! Sorry! Kh pinkpantheroz an hour ago

PPO, usually, you hold down the function key and print screen at the same time to get a screenshot Angela Bridgman an hour ago

Print Screen is usually right above the HOME key Angela Bridgman an hour ago

Or the INSERT key Angela Bridgman an hour ago

I got the screen size, I just have to reopen the window. I can see now! Khirad an hour ago

Well done! pinkpantheroz an hour ago

CL – Absolutely! And the MSM has a lot to answert for in pushing that “forgotten people” BS about Trump supporters. The plutocrats supported and support him and the corporations that wanted their taxes cut. The rest of the Trumpers are racist-driven white people of all income groups. None were forgotte, they just wanted to have minority rule and that’s what The Big Lie is all about to them. AdLib an hour ago

Last Jew in Afghanistan is interesting. I’ll post links later. Khirad an hour ago

Exactly, Ad. Angela Bridgman an hour ago

Let them talk to me and I WILL SHOW THEM PEOPLE WHO HAVE NOT ONLY BEEN FORGOTTEN….BUT DELIBERATELY FORSAKED!! Angela Bridgman an hour ago

It Can’t Happen Here literally had he forgotten man take over. Khirad an hour ago

That recent terrorist apparently had mental problems and complained about health care… JUST…. Khirad an hour ago

Let’s move on to something more important. What about that Jeopardy host getting the boot? pinkpantheroz an hour ago

Not sure I have much to contribute tonight. I decided to take this week and not watch any news, considering doing it next week as well want to see how fast mainstream media move on to the next topic after Afghanistan twilson117 an hour ago

This “economically forgotten anxious white man” is full of bullshit. They should know what it is to be economically FORSAKEN!! Angela Bridgman an hour ago

PPO – LOL!!! choicelady an hour ago

What is – I don’t care! Khirad an hour ago

Angela – Exactly! Well adjusted people do not try to bomb or invade The Capitol because they are in difficult financial positions. There are wealthy and foreign entities whipping up these people and flooding them with propaganda to destablize our democracy. And it’s working! AdLib an hour ago

Give it to Mayim Bialik. Khirad an hour ago

Yep Angela Bridgman an hour ago

Like I said, I could show you a thousand people who have enough righteous anger…and rightly so….to do these things and they don’t. Angela Bridgman an hour ago

Murph – Said the professor, he’s just learning. You school us too. AdLib an hour ago

It’s the already-well off racists doing this shit Angela Bridgman an hour ago

Ad – I would say it’s PARTIALLY working. Even now Biden has 52% approval. And that’s malleable upward depending on how things go next couple of weeks. People are SICK of extremism. choicelady an hour ago

I have been fucking sick of extremism all my fucking life….what took everyone else so fucking long? Angela Bridgman an hour ago

Looking forward to some movement on the TFG front, like the Scots grabbing his Golf Resorts! pinkpantheroz an hour ago

I’d just as soon TFG choke on a fucking wishbone from his KFC. Angela Bridgman an hour ago

With you on that, a pinkpantheroz an hour ago

Who was the one guy on MSNBC saying to STFU Steven Miller. He had his life saved by an Afghan translator and wanted him to meet him. Racism. And whenever they said it isn’t racist, other than it being baked in, I just retorted: fine – you’re just an ignorant bigot then. Khirad an hour ago

I don’t know how everyone else is responding but I have been boycotting MSNBC, CNN, etc. all week since the BS attacks on Biden over Afghanistan began. They are loving the conflict and monetizing it but it is total BS and they are working hard to ignore what is happening since those first days in the US doing a steady and secure job of flying out Americans and Afghans. The MSM is a greed corrupted industry. AdLib an hour ago

Angela – it did not take us so fucking long. Please don’t globalize. I’m generally not defensive, but I’m getting sick of people ignoring those of us who are on the front lines taking it in the neck for other people’s rights. You have every right to be furious but NOT dismissive. choicelady an hour ago

I like Biden for standing firm. Khirad an hour ago

That is fair of you to say, CL and I apologize. Angela Bridgman an hour ago

But understand how it FEELS … FCROM WHERE I STAND!! Angela Bridgman an hour ago

Khirad – That sounds very interesting, last Jew in Afghanistan. AdLib an hour ago

Angela. Thanks. I had a rough week, and I’m feeling edgy. choicelady an hour ago

It doesn’t FEEL like anyone gives a shit about the injustice we face…BECAUSE IT KEEPS HAPPENING AND NOBODY DOES ANYTHING TO STOP IT Angela Bridgman an hour ago

I have some sense since I walked the walk with friends who just had reassignment surgery and are taking shit from assholes. choicelady an hour ago

How do you all think it makes me feel….when I see MILLIONS march for BLM…THOUSAND march for DACA and I can’t get a HUNDRED people to march for the transgender? Angela Bridgman an hour ago

I watch CNN and MSNBC, but also TYT, Sam Seder, Vaush, Hasanabi, etc. They’re always shitting on CNN and MSNBC in a way I always have. In the end, they are corporate, too. I just watch them with a grain of salt. Khirad an hour ago

TW – Right with you on that, I didn’t even wait to see if the MSM would go on day after day attacking Biden with their BS and contrived representations of “Biden is a failure!”, I knew they would and haven’t watched any news since then. AdLib an hour ago

NOT nobody. Not enough. Not NOBODY. There is a powerful movement in CA for Trans Rights made up of trans and straight people. choicelady an hour ago

NOT nobody. choicelady an hour ago

Ad as I said I’m not watching the news for the reasons you stated, they all will trot out their experts to attempt to point out what Biden did and didn’t do wrong. But they alll forget about whose country it is. twilson117 an hour ago

Seriously. Even the much-ballyhooed Air Horn Orchestra….where I enjoyed many performances….never had a hundred there at any one time. Angela Bridgman an hour ago

Here is a little COVID ditty from Mo. Missouri’s poison control center has seen an increase in calls of people taking ivermectin, including versions of the deworming drug intended for livestock, to treat or prevent COVID-19, according to state health officials. But, no way are these folks every going to take a government imposed vaccine. MurphTheSurf3 an hour ago

CL:….that does me little goood in NORTH CAROLINA Angela Bridgman an hour ago

How do you think it makes me feel…when I can go to a Women’s March and see TERFs carrying signs that say “Transgender Women ARE MEN?” Angela Bridgman an hour ago

I also watch another guy, a Hasidic Jew who goes to Saudi Arabia, Bahrain, Iraq, etc. He went to Afghanistan to give the last Jew a new tefillin and such. But there’s more. Khirad an hour ago

We are being murdered as surely as other minorities. We just tend to be murdered in less-visible ways….and ways that usually can’t be videotaped. Angela Bridgman an hour ago

Murhp, really?? Please tell me the people in MO aren’t that stupid?? twilson117 an hour ago

CL – Right, I think Biden will successfully weather this MSM assault and sadly, most Americans really don’t care about foreign affairs or countries anyway. As the focus moves back to the 1/6s select committee and the infrastructure bills, this will fade. Though I didn’t see this kind of sustained outrage from the MSM when Trump let the Kurds be massacred in Syria and gave the region over to Turkey and Russia. AdLib an hour ago

Ad, I’m in the same position here in OZ. Even our government -owned supposedly neutral ABC spouts the Government propaganda as fact. I get news from our version of NPR pinkpantheroz an hour ago

Did anyone hear L. O’Donnell last night (on MSNBC despite my boycott). He was STUNNING on Biden’s doing the right thing. It’s on YouTube. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0DhvBNov-XM

choicelady an hour ago

My favorite was the Taliban riding in bumper cars before burning down the amusement park. God that says it all. Khirad an hour ago

TW…in Mo. and in several other southern states….. MurphTheSurf3 an hour ago

I never saw any outrage over ANYTHING Trump did. Liberal media my aching ass Angela Bridgman an hour ago

Conservatives saw outrage over everyting Trump did. Khirad an hour ago

Muprh, it’s unbelievable twilson117 an hour ago

In the media… Khirad an hour ago

The media constantly gave Trump a pass on every fucking outrageous thing he did Angela Bridgman an hour ago

Afghanistan was going to be Afghanistan, and had it been the same under a Trump withdrawel it would have been the one thing I wouldn’t give Trump shit for. Khirad an hour ago

At least the American media gave Trump a constant pass. Never ONCE held him to account for his outrages, never ONCE asked him a hard question. NEVER ONCE. Angela Bridgman an hour ago

The Right Wing Media are dedicated to rabble rousing, hair on fire, top of the lungs screaming…because they exist to represent the propaganda goals of the political and economic class they work for. MurphTheSurf3 an hour ago

Murph – I saw that story and it only underlines that these extremists aren’t anti-vax for the reasons they give, “I don’t want to put something experimental into my body,” they ingest horse medicine, bleach, hydroxychloriquine, whatever their Repub opinion leaders tell them to. They like to claim that mask-wearers are sheep but they’re the ones taking sheep medicine! AdLib an hour ago

CL did you see this colunm by Tom Friedman? https://www.nytimes.com/2021/08/16/opinion/afghanistan-biden-taliban.html?action=click&block=associated_collection_recirc&impression_id=87f895f0-01fa-11ec-9fb8-810d111a7d65&index=0&pgtype=Article®ion=footer twilson117 an hour ago

And you are right, Khirad. If we left ten years ago or twenty five years from now…Afghanistan would end up exatly where it is right now Angela Bridgman an hour ago

I love how the right media is sympathizing with the Taliban. They do have a lot in common. Khirad an hour ago

They are TWINS, Khirad Angela Bridgman an hour ago

Khirad talking about wanting your toast butter on both sides, that’s the RW idiots over at Fox twilson117 an hour ago

Did anyone see Tucker with Viktor Orbán? The mask has long been off. Khirad an hour ago

Don’t tell me for a SECOND that there are not a lot of right-wing assholes who would gladly saw my head off with a dull rusty knife if they thought they could get away with it Angela Bridgman an hour ago

Toast buttered on both sides, I forgot that saying, it’s perfect. Khirad an hour ago

PPO – The takeover of free media is really bad everywhere and getting worse. Today, ABC News released a transcript of Stephonopolis’ interview with Biden and included his stutters! Really?! Never been done before, such prejudiced behavior out in the open! AdLib an hour ago

I need to get back to chores. Please check me out on FB under Kurt Singer, I post all my thoughts there, though, still need to write more here. Hail Satan. Khirad an hour ago

Well, Ad….you know the adage….false information equals false results. Angela Bridgman an hour ago

Shame on ABC…shame….I will be sending a letter MurphTheSurf3 an hour ago

CL – I heard that Lawrence did a great job in attacking this groupthink pile on Biden by the MSM. Will watch the video you posted after Vox. AdLib an hour ago

Ad, sadly yes. Anything to denigrate the one man saving the Fucking world. They can’t stand it. pinkpantheroz an hour ago

False results are what they want….and so they control the narriative Angela Bridgman an hour ago

Ad the people who mock Biden will soon regret it as he will come out on top. twilson117 44 minutes ago

We have a mob of Freedumb eejits protest-marching right now in Melbourne. Cops are having none of it, having warned than days ago not to do it. Getting stuck in and arresting as we speak pinkpantheroz 43 minutes ago

Good. We need more of that in America, PPO Angela Bridgman 43 minutes ago

TW – It may be a good article but I don’t respect Friedman. Someone published an old op-ed of his from the days that Bush invaded Afghanistan and he stated that Bush no doubt has a solid plan to get the job done and get out. He is not a great or reliable voice, IMO but glad he is not piling on Biden like most now. AdLib 42 minutes ago

Hell, I remember like about a year ago here…we had a group of asshole white lockdown protesters blocking ambulances from getting to the hospital!! Angela Bridgman 42 minutes ago

Looks hardly a mob – maybe 100 rent-a-riot. pinkpantheroz 42 minutes ago

PPO I understand in your neck of the woods there are some of the deadlest snakes what would happen if Murdoch and Trump** were dump in the middle of a poisioness snake cabal? twilson117 42 minutes ago

If they had been BLACK instead of white, the cops would have pulled out a few M-16’s and cleared out the protesters. Angela Bridgman 42 minutes ago

But they were white so they were allowed to continue acting like assholes Angela Bridgman 41 minutes ago

TW Murdoch/Trump 150, Snakes 0 Thew snakes would be bought off, or blackmailed. pinkpantheroz 40 minutes ago

TW, before you dump Murdoch and Trump there, get videocameras and make it a pay-per-view special…you would be set for life Angela Bridgman 40 minutes ago

A sidenote…I had lunch with a 93 year old retired GOP country party leader and office holder who recalled the days when Mo. was a purple state. Great quote: “The GOP has so narrowed its natural base that its leadership and those who underwrite them in exchange for their legislative and executive support of their agenda realizes that they are a minority party and likely to hold smaller and smaller shares of the electorate. So, what do they do, sabotage the instruments of democratic government to bring down the republic because its power and wealth that count and nothing else.” MurphTheSurf3 40 minutes ago

Ad I understand about Friedman, he’s one of the those colunmists you take the good with the bad. twilson117 39 minutes ago

All due respect, Murph, I don’t recall MO ever being anything but a card-carrying member of Dumbfuckistan. Angela Bridgman 39 minutes ago

Murph that’s a great quote twilson117 38 minutes ago

I really think it’s high time for sane democracies to draw the line and start playing hardball with insurrectionists and those who give aid and comfort to domestic terrorism. These Repub media people and Congresspeople need to be thrown out of office at the least and if that can’t be accomplished, prosecuted and sent to prison for fostering insurgencies. It is a federal crime in the US, enough pussyfooting around it because of the 1st Amendment, if it’s a close call, they shouldn’t be prosecuted but Mo Brooks supporting the bomber and 1/6 insurrectionists? He needs to be prosecuted and all the rest too. Use the existing law, respect free speech that doesn’t urge or foster violence and we are on solid legal ground. AdLib 38 minutes ago

Angela you’re right I would be set for life. twilson117 38 minutes ago

Agree, Ad. You can’t use 1st Amendment to yell “FIRE” in a crowded theatre when there is no fire. Angela Bridgman 37 minutes ago

Ad, surely there is a mountain of evidence to prove Sedition? pinkpantheroz 37 minutes ago

Nobody should be allowed to use 1st Amendment as a cover for stochastic terrorism Angela Bridgman 37 minutes ago

Angela…Harry Truman, ring a bell? We typically has a Dem. Senator and a Republican one. The Governors office bounced back and forth from GOP to Dem and the there was a concerted effort to have mix in the executive mix. The legislature has been generally GOP. MurphTheSurf3 36 minutes ago

TW – Right, then we’re on the same page with Friedman. AdLib 36 minutes ago

Murph, I was not alive at the same time as Harry Truman, ever. Angela Bridgman 36 minutes ago

angela….the importance of the historical perspective….. MurphTheSurf3 35 minutes ago

As I said, Murph…I DON’T RECALL when MO was a purple state. I am not saying it wasn’t….just that I don’t recall it ever being so Angela Bridgman 35 minutes ago

Ad yes we are, I happen to think he was spot on with his The Earth Is Flat book around globalization. twilson117 35 minutes ago

Angela – Exactly. Dems are so worried about the appearance of oppression that they allow those fomenting oppression to flourish. Screw that, use the law as written or the majority will be held hostage. AdLib 35 minutes ago

Correct, Ad Angela Bridgman 35 minutes ago

Time for me to tootle pip. No side effects so far from AZ jab. Fergie got chills for 2 days, fine now. See you all next week. pinkpantheroz 34 minutes ago

Time to stop coddling these assholes and time to stop being nice about this. Angela Bridgman 34 minutes ago

THEY will not be nice to us if they grab power illegally Angela Bridgman 34 minutes ago

bye PPO Angela Bridgman 34 minutes ago

PPO you take care twilson117 34 minutes ago

PPO – Yes, I think the FBI is sitting on a lot of evidence because they are either investigating criminal charges or Garland is keeping it under wraps out of fear of looking partisan. AdLib 33 minutes ago

Speaking OF oppression….I love these anti-mask assholes syaing that mandated masks are oppression….they should KNOW what oppression actually IS Angela Bridgman 33 minutes ago

Sorry – just got polled by Public Policy Institute of CA. Had to drop off. choicelady 33 minutes ago

can I post a picture from my computer here? Angela Bridgman 33 minutes ago

CL…your a good choice, my dear lady, for informed polling. MurphTheSurf3 32 minutes ago

Angela – Murph and his alliance are in MO, best not to generalize like that. I learned long ago that there may be many nutjobs in all of our states but there are also many people of conscience too. AdLib 32 minutes ago

Even if the Progressive and conscientious people don’t get a lot of attention in their states. AdLib 31 minutes ago

I know that, Ad…hell even 40 percent of Alabamians are Dems! Angela Bridgman 31 minutes ago

Ad I haven’t been paying too much attention to your recall election, but have to say when I heard Larry Elder was the leading Rep I couldn’t stop laughing. People have to be out of their ever loving mind to believe he has the abilty to run a state. twilson117 31 minutes ago

Ad….”my alliance” …. has not been faring all that well…..treading water. MurphTheSurf3 31 minutes ago

Ad – YES the FBI is sitting on evidence and Garland will never show his cards until the case is airtight. I may be a rare duck in having been part of a long, multi-pronged federal investigation spanning 10 years and two big issues. I know how they work. I was a witness. I still know stuff never publicly revealed. I have a lot of confidence in the way this is being handled.’ choicelady 31 minutes ago

But I do not recall any time in MY LIFGETIME when MO was a purple state….that was my point Angela Bridgman 31 minutes ago

I don’t CL. I think they will let Trump skate. Angela Bridgman 30 minutes ago

Murph – I feel like a cheat. I WORKED w PPIC to create some of our voter access programs about which I was polled. But I answered as if I were just a n ordinary citizen. choicelady 30 minutes ago

They could give us a few tasty morsels to let us know they are DOING SOMETHING….but they refuse. My conclusion is they are doing nothing and plan to do nothing Angela Bridgman 29 minutes ago

Angela – The anti-maskers also rail against the vaccine as experimental but are fine about taking the remdesivir which is experimental, once they get Covid. It’s obvious, the Repub plan is to try and make Covid worse to make Biden look bad. It is insane. AdLib 29 minutes ago

Angela – there is not a shred of evidence to support your feelings. The release of the transcripts to the Senate show a serious intent. That is inconsistent w your view. choicelady 29 minutes ago

CL..you have many aspects….being ordinary is not one of them. MurphTheSurf3 28 minutes ago

CL – What was PPI polling you about? AdLib 28 minutes ago

I do not see Trump ever doing a day in prison Angela Bridgman 28 minutes ago

Murph – that’s a damned shame in a poll! I need to be “ordinary”!!! choicelady 28 minutes ago

Ad – the recall mostly. I gave it my best shot. choicelady 28 minutes ago

CL…you can try to be so, but I suspect your uniqueness will shine through. MurphTheSurf3 28 minutes ago

shit, I would not qualify for the poll either then….I have turned being “not ordinary” into an art form Angela Bridgman 28 minutes ago

Upon what evidence do you say that, Angela? choicelady 27 minutes ago

Because I see no urgency in slapping his ass in cuffs, I see no perp walk Angela Bridgman 27 minutes ago

I want Trump to SUFFER….and I want it NOW Angela Bridgman 27 minutes ago

Angela – Exactly! I get frustrated when talking about states with Repub majorities (though in some it’s because of gerrymandering) and generalize but people can’t help that their home is in a state with nutjobs in power. AdLib 27 minutes ago

Angela – that isn’t what makes me “not ordinary” in this poll. I wouldn’t qualify that way either, BUT it’s because I helped produce the laws covering voting access. choicelady 26 minutes ago

Ad…Come on, I live in North Carolina, you think I don’t KNOW THAT?? LOL Angela Bridgman 26 minutes ago

oh, ok, CL Angela Bridgman 26 minutes ago

I am working on an article about gerrymandering for PlanetPOV Angela Bridgman 26 minutes ago

First, I am redrawing maps for all fifty states….as ungerrymandered as I can make them – given certain restrictions Angela Bridgman 25 minutes ago

Angela – you can leave out CA – we have a Citizens’ Commission that redrew and will again the most fair and balanced map in the USA. choicelady 24 minutes ago

TW – The thing is, Californians are not supporting Elder, he’s got at best 20% in polling and that’s all Repubs. Just too many people out here are generally angry and seem to want to take it out on Newsom because they can. Stupidity and ignorance. But I am hoping that the ad campaigns will grow better awareness of the hell CA will be in if a minority of Repubs are able to install a madman as Gov that most Californians will oppose from Day One. AdLib 24 minutes ago

I have barely been here tonight. Just too tired I guess. Wishing you all a good week. I am on my way to bed. MurphTheSurf3 24 minutes ago

Did anyone see the piece where Trump** told Hannity he didn’t realize the president ran the country? twilson117 23 minutes ago

Ad – that is WHY I answered the PPIC poll because my demographic is “most likely to vote” AND is perceived to be conservative. It isn’t. I want that “old white lady” voice OUT THERE. choicelady 23 minutes ago

Take care Murph twilson117 23 minutes ago

CL, I am doing ALL STATES Angela Bridgman 23 minutes ago

CL – I sure hope you’re right but Reuters ran with a story today that Wray’s FBI has concluded there was no planning of the 1/6 attack by Trump or anyone doing so in support of him. That sounds like a lie. AdLib 23 minutes ago

Good night, Murph! choicelady 23 minutes ago

My goal is states that have the fewest number of County and Precinct Splits AND are the most compact and regular-shaped possible. Angela Bridgman 23 minutes ago

bye Murph Angela Bridgman 22 minutes ago

Ad well that makes feel a wee bit better. Because Elder is an class a Asshole. twilson117 22 minutes ago

Angela – Yep, you know that first hand. AdLib 22 minutes ago

CL – Glad you made your voice (and ours) heard in the poll! AdLib 22 minutes ago

I know what first hand, LOL? Angela Bridgman 21 minutes ago

Ad – CHECK that story. Four unnamed sources. ZERO actual fact. This is sheer propaganda and is right up there with Tokyo Rose and Lord HawHaw types of destablizing of WW II. We have to be on guard. These things will keep emerging. It stemmed from the NY office that was always supportive of Giuliani – these are angry, RW people. Whether they’re even AGENTS has not been established. It’s dangerous because even YOU believe it is from the FBI and not a punt to demoralize us. choicelady 20 minutes ago

TW – Yep, I can almost guarantee that there will be a lawsuit to overturn the recall if Newsom is voted out. The very simple argument is that Newsom will have received far more votes by those voting no, more than double, than Elder could receive in the second part of the vote. That is not majority rule nor democracy. AdLib 20 minutes ago

Ad saw a piece but didn’t read, some think the recall may be llegal?? twilson117 19 minutes ago

Ad – I’m ALL for a challenge. We need to rewrite the recall law so it applies to ONLY proven malfeasance and illegality NOT to differences in policy. choicelady 19 minutes ago

Angela – You know first hand that states with at least some Repub control have plenty of good and conscientious people in them who may not get the spotlight but are there despite the nutjobs grabbing the spotlight. AdLib 19 minutes ago

Indeed. Like I said, I live in North Carolina!! LOL Angela Bridgman 18 minutes ago

Here’s the article on the recall being unconstitutional: https://www.nytimes.com/2021/08/11/opinion/california-recall-election-newsom.html AdLib 18 minutes ago

Ad – also read what I wrote about today’s “revelation” supposedly from the FBI. It’s dangerous propaganda. choicelady 18 minutes ago

CL – Yes, it is easy for Reuters and other corrupt outlets to post such a story because if the DoJ is investigating Trump’s involvement in the 1/6 insurrection, they can’t say anything publicly. I just hope they are but we can’t know right now. AdLib 17 minutes ago

Angela – Exactly! AdLib 16 minutes ago

The FBI would NEVER say what was said here today. choicelady 16 minutes ago

CL – But FBI officials did leak to Giuliani and the media in 2016 about Hillary and the emails being re-investigated so there are rats in the FBI. AdLib 15 minutes ago

I am reading so many stories about rabid anti-vaxxers getting Covid and dying. Do you think these growing stories are the reason for the rise in vaccinations or are just those on the fence getting scared enough to jump off? AdLib 14 minutes ago

That’s my point – you have rats in the system, yes. And they are using their positions to build a propaganda war machine via the media. DO NOT BELIEVE IT. The FBI never EVER issues unsourced information. NOT EVER. I work w them here in the E. District and have in W. NY. I know how they roll. choicelady 14 minutes ago

I hope so, Ad. We have to find a way to scare the shit out of them to make them get the vax. Angela Bridgman 12 minutes ago

I also have to sign off. Still dealing with my shoulder separation that hurts when I sit too long. Have a great week. I may or may not be on next week. But I hope to ‘see’ everyone then if I can make it. choicelady 12 minutes ago

CL – That makes sense, I have a hard time imagining Wray or anyone close to him, violating the rules of conduct like this but we’re agreed that there are rogue FBI agents and/or officials who would put this out and justify the claim that the sources are in the FBI. AdLib 12 minutes ago

Hey folks I’m bugging out see you next week twilson117 12 minutes ago

CL – Sorry about that, really hope it feels better! AdLib 12 minutes ago

I’d like to hunt the rogues down and purge them. choicelady 12 minutes ago

Okay, see you next week TW! AdLib 12 minutes ago

Ad – it’s getting better. Just not perfect yet. choicelady 11 minutes ago

G;night! choicelady 11 minutes ago

CL – Same here, CL. The FBI needs a good spring cleaning. AdLib 11 minutes ago

Well Angela, looks like we’re closing the Vox bar again! AdLib 10 minutes ago

It was a pretty rapid-fire conversation tonight! AdLib 10 minutes ago

looks that way Angela Bridgman 10 minutes ago

lot of subjects covered Angela Bridgman 9 minutes ago

How you holding out with the wildfires out there? Angela Bridgman 9 minutes ago

Much as I enjoy that, I would really like it if Armageddon wasn’t constantly approaching. AdLib 9 minutes ago

We’re okay here in LA but the fires have been so widespread, it’s hard to keep up with all of them. Fortunately, none are that close to us. AdLib 8 minutes ago

How are you doing out there? Is the hurricane going to miss NC? AdLib 8 minutes ago

Don’t remember if I told you, a very good friend of mine lives in NC. He rode out Hurricane Florence, having no previous experience with hurricanes and now says he wouldn’t do it for such a severe one again. AdLib 5 minutes ago