Vox Populi – 06-18-2021

Vox Populi, our weekly live chat about the week’s events begins tonight at 7:00pm PDT. Hope to see you then! AdLib 2 hours ago

Hey TW! AdLib 2 hours ago

Hey AdLib how are you? twilson117 2 hours ago

Doing okay. How are things in MA? AdLib an hour ago

Well looks like we got a lot to talk about tonight. twilson117 an hour ago

No kidding! What a remarkable week! AdLib an hour ago

Beautiful day here in MA twilson117 an hour ago

I really can’t believe how swiftly the Juneteenth national holiday happened! AdLib an hour ago

Nor can I. Amazing they can do that but anything else, well it’s like they can’t find their sock draw twilson117 an hour ago

At the same time Repubs are howling about Critical Race Theory, this will educate all the school kids about true history of America no matter how they try to whitewash (intended) ir. AdLib an hour ago

I know CRT is their new boogie man. Most don’t know what it is not to mention it’s not taught in k-12. I’m doing some research on it to get a better understanding on so I can write about it. twilson117 an hour ago

Let me say this about it, some of the papers I’ve read along with a book I’m currently reading, it’s not going to be easy. There is a reason it’s more on the college level. twilson117 an hour ago

hi ad, TW pinkpantheroz an hour ago

Hello PPO twilson117 an hour ago

Exactly! It is such an obvious new racist boogie man, taking the place of immigration now since that’s not as potent anymore. No one’s teaching the racist history of the U.S. in elementary school. And private schools can teach whatever they want. As you say, this is more aimed at college, maybe some HS. AdLib an hour ago

Hey PPO! AdLib an hour ago

Brilliant week for POTUS. Putin’s got the Shitz! pinkpantheroz an hour ago

AdLib I don’t don’t know if it would be taught in HS, but it’s clearly not at the lower grades. twilson117 an hour ago

PPO – Biden makes Putin step back, the ACA is safe hopefully for good, Juneteenth is a national holiday before you can blink and Trump’s treason in using the DoJ against his enemies is exposed. And Joe Manchin is kicked in the teeth by McConnell on “bipartisanship” and protecting the filibuster. Not a bad week. AdLib an hour ago

TW – Yes, I would think that some private high schools might at least teach more about Tulsa, Juneteenth, 3/5ths compromise, etc. in trying to present a more honest picture of the mixed history of the US and racism. But definitely likely in college. AdLib an hour ago

Ad, so when Trump** gets arrested who puts the cuffs on, the sheriff or his SS detail? twilson117 an hour ago

Ad well when I was in HS I learned about that, but we are talking about the dawn of the century. twilson117 an hour ago

Ad, wouldn’t they then have to admit to all the broken treaties, massacres and ethnic cleansing doe to the First Tribes. A bridge maybe too far. But maybe it would clear the nation’s throat to discuss much more and admit errors. pinkpantheroz an hour ago

TW – Wouldn’t it be amazing if DoJ agents who worked alongside the corrupt ones Trump tried to use to destroy his enemies, took him down? But since the state charges are more likely to come first or Manhattan’s, I would guess NYPD might take him in? AdLib an hour ago

TW – Yep, we had to learn by the light of whale oil lanterns! AdLib an hour ago

Ad, I’m beginning to wonder about the loyalty of a lot of SS personnel. Is it to the former guy or to the Office? pinkpantheroz an hour ago

Ad you had oil lanterns? Wow.

twilson117 an hour ago

PPO – The thing is, it’s not about demonizing the U.S., it’s about representing it’s darker truths that have been buried in racist and nationalist propaganda from the beginning. It doesn’t deny the truly remarkable things that the U.S. and leaders have accomplished as well. AdLib an hour ago

Murph is in the house. twilson117 an hour ago

Murph! Hi there. How are thimngs at the coop? pinkpantheroz an hour ago

Hey Murph twilson117 an hour ago

Hey Murph! AdLib an hour ago

PPO – I think the whole Oath Keeper thing put it right out in the open that law enforcement and military across the board, not in huge numbers though, were a part of an authoritarian movement for some time. AdLib an hour ago

Shakespeare had it bang on about nation building (although in a different context) ‘Nothing begins or nothing ends that is not paid in moan. for we are born in other’s pain and perish in our own.’ pinkpantheroz an hour ago

The military and all police forces need to do some deep investigation and house cleaning. twilson117 an hour ago

Hi….took a few minutes to read through the conversation so far… MurphTheSurf3 an hour ago

How high does the rot go. tw? Can we trust them to police themselves? pinkpantheroz an hour ago

PPO okay I’ll bite which play from William? twilson117 an hour ago

TW – Whale oil lanterns were totally underrated. I miss them and horse and buggies. AdLib an hour ago

Haven’t a clue, Ad! Lines I learned in School. pinkpantheroz an hour ago

PPO okay now I’m going to have look it up.

twilson117 an hour ago

not willum! Francis Thompson pinkpantheroz an hour ago

Critical race theory (CRT) is an academic movement of civil-rights scholars and activists in the United States who seek to critically examine the law as it intersects with issues of race and to challenge mainstream liberal approaches to racial justice and aggressively take on conservative efforts to thwart efforts to honestly present the power of racism in American society and to challenge this on a number of fronts.. MurphTheSurf3 an hour ago

Ad Horse and buggies Oil lanterns, damn man, for me it was until the sun went down.

twilson117 an hour ago

Yeah, that’s what your typical middle and high schooler is learning in their social studies and history classes….sure……a convenient boogeyman for GOP and its base. MurphTheSurf3 an hour ago

Ad next you’re going to tell my you had a mattress to sleep on.

twilson117 an hour ago

PPO – That is a hard, sad truth. Life is suffering but there is happiness in it as well. But there’s no avoiding the suffering except in bad romantic comedies. AdLib an hour ago

Sheer Luxureh! We lived in shoe box int’ middle oft’ road! pinkpantheroz an hour ago

Ad you were living high on the hog

twilson117 an hour ago

PPO…..as to the co-op….in limbo for now…..I won’t work my butt off until this identity crisis has been faced head on. So….I am making sure that my work is being done and not much else. MurphTheSurf3 an hour ago

Murph – And how about Trump’s failed racist re-writing of history he commissioned before losing office? Countering actual history with racist propaganda, that’s the GOP way. AdLib an hour ago

Yes, Murph. Best not to expend energy of any sort on it until clarification. pinkpantheroz an hour ago

TW – When I was in high school, the sun was smaller and daylight only lasted three hours. AdLib an hour ago

Ad and TW….I walked to and from school barefoot in the snow all year. MurphTheSurf3 an hour ago

Ad, I sound like a broken record (vinyl !), but is there no way to muzzle McConnell? pinkpantheroz an hour ago

Ad….yes….I brought that up with a school board member who said she was thankful that her present wanted to “set the record straight.” MurphTheSurf3 an hour ago

Ad you got to see the sun? twilson117 an hour ago

PPO…anything else with the Co-op would be enabling behavior….. MurphTheSurf3 an hour ago

Murph you must of been in Syracuse

twilson117 an hour ago

Murph – That’s all they have left now. No longer do Repubs have issues or platforms, all they have left is spitballing boogie men and hoping one sticks so they can use it to take power in the next election. They are intellectually bankrupt like Trump…who will be financially bankrupt soon too. AdLib an hour ago

Ad….when your platform is- “Seize power and hold it.” life is simple. MurphTheSurf3 an hour ago

TW – A mattress? You had it easy! We had to sleep on the horns of the goats we milked when we woke up at 3:00am, to keep them from running away. AdLib an hour ago

TW……it was those late spring blizzards and the icebergs that were particularly daunting. MurphTheSurf3 an hour ago

Ad, I must look around Melbourne to find a Black Church, for the day I join them to sing ‘O Happy Days’ when the other guy goes down at last pinkpantheroz an hour ago

PPO…what percent of the Australian population is “black” and what does “black” mean there ethnically and in terms of origin. MurphTheSurf3 an hour ago

Ad you had goats clearly living high off the land.

twilson117 an hour ago

PPO – You lucky bastard! You had a shoe box? We had to live on the edge of a crumbling cliff and if we didn’t wake up to move back in time, we’d plunge hundreds of feet to our death. AdLib an hour ago

Murph yes winters in good old Syracuse were something to behold.

twilson117 an hour ago

Murph – Walking barefoot to school? You had it easy! We had to wrap cactus around the bottom of our feet and hop to school. AdLib an hour ago

OK…I surrender to the wit of Ad and TW re. trials and tribulations in their mythical childhoods. MurphTheSurf3 an hour ago

PPO – The only way to shut down McConnell is for Manchin to get so humiliated, he agrees to changing the filibuster so McConnell is neutered. And I think many people would pay to see that. AdLib an hour ago

Murph, maybe 10% are aborigine or black immigrants. I love the Gospel music . pinkpantheroz an hour ago

PPO…thanks for the info. MurphTheSurf3 an hour ago

Ad, well, we had until your fucking goats ate it! pinkpantheroz an hour ago

Murph – I think there are teachers all around the country, even in red states, who care about truth enough to want to teach the true history of the U.S. to their students. AdLib an hour ago

As….teachers are SO monitored these days that most live in fear. MurphTheSurf3 an hour ago

Ad, the main problem with history is that the winners get to write it. Much of the less palatable stuff will never be revealed, just like around the rest of the occupied world. pinkpantheroz an hour ago

TW – We saw the sun every day, a photo of it was on the wall next to the whale oil lanterns. But all the thick smoke from coal burning in our classrooms to provide enough heat to keep us from freezing to death blocked out the sun from view. In the 3 hours it was up, we could never tell the difference. AdLib an hour ago

PPO as to Mr. Manchin I wonder if he’s going to finally wake up and realize McConnell do not want any form bipartisanship. It’s their way of the damn highway. twilson117 an hour ago

PPO – That day is not as far off as it may seem. The calls now for Trump to be federally prosecuted for abuse of power and corruption are growing while the criminal cases in NY, GA, DC, etc. are building. Trump will be indicted of crimes, I think it is inevitable. And we all know the evidence exists to prove him guilty. AdLib an hour ago

McConnell is the epitome of the Dr. NO. policy. I have never wished anything bad on anyone, even tfg, but I do with mcconnell. pinkpantheroz an hour ago

TW – However, the goats we owned ate all of our food and clothes every day. We would have to wear the live goats as clothes and drink their milk when we went to school. AdLib an hour ago

PPO there needs to be an investigation of McConnell I feel confident there is a lot and I mean lot of dirt they will find on him. twilson117 an hour ago

Ad- the Boston Globe’s analysis of the necessity of such prosecution of Trump in order to send a message into the future to any grifter who is considering conning his way into the White House. MurphTheSurf3 an hour ago

Ad those damn goats, will do you in every time. twilson117 an hour ago

TW…McConnell is dirty but it is legal dirt….the House and Senate have neutered reform legislation. MurphTheSurf3 an hour ago

PPO – The winners do write history but so does the majority. Think of all the history books written by individuals along the way that glorified the U.S. and minimized the terrible acts all along the way. Look at how Native Americans were basically the victims of a genocide as their land was stolen from them while they were hunted and murdered. And yet we have the pleasant images of Americans “taming the wilderness”. AdLib an hour ago

Murph then they should look into his wife, there was clearly something funny stuff going on while she was in office. twilson117 an hour ago

Murph wasn’t she Sec of Commerce? twilson117 an hour ago

Agree, TW she doesn’t pass the smell test. pinkpantheroz an hour ago

TW – If Manchin wants to be drowned in growing protests against him choosing a phony bipartisanship over voting rights for people of color while McConnell and the Repubs hold him up for ridicule as an utter fool, that would be an interesting political choice by Manchin. And one that only an idiot and a fool would choose. Manchin should be told, his reputation in history will either be as the loser who prevented our democracy from continuing or the hero who helped save it. Not a hard choice. AdLib an hour ago

TW…..agree. During her tenure as Transportation Secretary in the Trump administration, the Transportation Department’s inspector general found numerous instances where Chao used her office to promote her family’s shipping business. MurphTheSurf3 44 minutes ago

TW – I think the KY elections need to be recounted and verified. He is hated in the state and yet he wins by huge margins? and he became a multimillionaire while only being a Senator all this time. Something is very wrong. AdLib 43 minutes ago

Ad….given how lax campaign finance laws are….just a cover for covert bribery,his wealth comes as no surprise. MurphTheSurf3 42 minutes ago

Murph Transportation Sec that’s right Wilbur was Commerce hell he needs to be investigated too. twilson117 42 minutes ago

Ad far too much dark money twilson117 41 minutes ago

Murph – Yes, that Op-Ed in the Globe was right on the money. Trump must be tried and convicted for crimes he committed in office or the precedent will be established for someone far more clever and evil than Trump to bring down our democracy into a violently enforced tyranny. If Trump had stolen a second term, I think the U.S. as a democracy would have been over and violence from his militias, police and even military would have been used no differently than in Russia or Belarus. Don’t forget the violent attack on protesters so Trump could wave a bible in DC. And declaring the Insurrection Act would be inevitable as well, all rights would be crushed. AdLib 39 minutes ago

AND IN COVID NEWS HERE IN THE SHOW ME STATE….SPRINGFIELD, Mo. — Frustrated health officials in the Springfield area are imploring residents to get COVID-19 vaccinations as the faster-spreading Delta variant pushes case numbers and hospitalizations higher. Random testing of virus samples have determined that the Delta variant, which is more infectious and potentially more deadly than other variants, has become dominant around Springfield and in much of southwest Missouri, Kendra Findley, administrator of community health and epidemiology with Greene County, said Thursday. MurphTheSurf3 38 minutes ago

TW – After we traded the goats for bears that turned out to have a bear-version of Mad Cow Disease, we were nostalgic for the goats. AdLib 38 minutes ago

AD — Your take on Trump in a second term is on the money… MurphTheSurf3 37 minutes ago

Murph Ad, I haven’t read the full op-ed yet, but let me say this from what I see and read on what is going on with our democracy right now, we are indeed in danger of losing it if things keep going the way they are. All the signs are there, and Repubs push for total control is foundational for such an authoritative structure. twilson117 36 minutes ago

TW – They already uncovered proveable breaking of laws by McConnell’s wife. She broke the law to reward friends and contributors with government contracts. And she lobbied for her family business while doing government business, also a crime. They are criminals just as much as Trump and his Klan. AdLib 36 minutes ago

Kill Citizens United!!!!! pinkpantheroz 35 minutes ago

TW….agree…the GOP is staging a slow motion, in the light of day coup d’etat. MurphTheSurf3 35 minutes ago

Ad…..so where is her prosecution? MurphTheSurf3 35 minutes ago

What is the GOP now but traitors who support America’s enemies over our president like Putin, pedophiles, insurrectionists, liars and propagandists, racists, morons and greedy thieves? How is that a political party, what is there that is political about them anymore? They are a crime family like the mafia, one good RICO case should sweep up a huge swath of them. AdLib 34 minutes ago

The scary thing about it is they will use the democratic process to bring about authoritarianism. twilson117 33 minutes ago

I can’t understand how Nancy and Chuck don’t seem to be able to use their majority to get anything done. pinkpantheroz 32 minutes ago

Murph – Another reason to keep your distance from the anti-vaxxing Trumpers in your co-op is that they are going to catch the Delta variant and many in red states will. Even though the vaccines help against them, they’re not 100% so keep your distance. A wave is building in many red states now. AdLib 32 minutes ago

Murph you have it bad in the Show Me State, It’s just unfathomable how much some folks are behaving around the COVID-19 and the unwillingness to get the jab. twilson117 31 minutes ago

Murph – I am not saying this to look defiant, we were looking into moving out of the U.S. if Trump had been re-elected. AdLib 31 minutes ago

TW – We have been seeing the desperation of the GOP to hang onto power through exploiting white racism for many years and as their support shrinks, their desperation grows. The truth is, if we could pass voting rights laws right now, the GOP would fracture apart as a political party, it would be a minority party with no hope of regaining power for at least a decade if not decades. The day of white supremacy is over…if the election systems weren’t as corrupt as they are now. Fixing them would help Manchin stay in the majority and in power, if only he and the other selfish Dems would see that. Repubs would wander in the wilderness for a long time if democracy was fixed and protected. AdLib 27 minutes ago

Our GOP-type Federal Government is now saying over 60s must use the doubtful AstraZenica vaccine. the Pfizer Moderna stuff is for the younger. Problem is that there is no Pfizer available right now. The story of how Australia spat in the face of Pfizer back last year is harrowing, cos many died as a result. When Pfixr developed the vaccine, they offered Australia the chance to be the model for supply and distribution. Australia sent an ignorant minion to the talks who was arrogant, rude and tried to screw Pfizer on the prices. Pfizer told Australia where to go and put us down the back of the bus. All because OZ thought they could manufacture the AstraZenica here in our labs. Big Mistake, Big huge thousands died needlessly. pinkpantheroz 25 minutes ago

Murph – There have been no prosecutions of Trump, Chao, McConnell, the Senators who committed insider trading on Covid, the billions stolen by Trump’s people for their donors, etc. because so far, AG Garland has not gone after them as far as we know. If Garland is like Mueller and puts the institution above justice, we won’t end up with either. AdLib 25 minutes ago

Ad I agree with your premise. The Republican party as it is now needs to die it’s far too many who call themselves Republicans only care about power and keeping it as you said. There needs to be a new party, for that matter I have to wonder about the democratic party as well. twilson117 23 minutes ago

Well, folks, that’s me away for this week. Stay safe, especially you, Murph. pinkpantheroz 20 minutes ago

Ad also major changes are need around a number things that were norms which Trump** blew through. twilson117 19 minutes ago

PPO – Yes, I’m glad you filled us in on that horrible story! AdLib 18 minutes ago

Thanks PPO…..I am leaving as well very shortly…whoops…just two of us…did you see Pence heckled? MurphTheSurf3 18 minutes ago

TW – I think the GOP is a zombie party right now, it is dead but it continues to stalk the nation because of the rigged gerrymandering and corruption of voter suppression. If elections were really free and fair right now, they would be dead as a party nationally and far weaker in purple and red states. AdLib 17 minutes ago

Murph – Pence is so done now! AdLib 16 minutes ago

Ad….I hope so……btw….the co-op is on life support. MurphTheSurf3 16 minutes ago

Pence is the worst of both worlds, hated for his kneeling to Trump and hated for not overthrowing democracy as Trump pleaded. AdLib 16 minutes ago

Ad….Pence is getting what he deserves. MurphTheSurf3 15 minutes ago

Pence’s career was over in IN before he was recruited by Putin and Manafort to be Trump’s VP. Now he is totally over. AdLib 15 minutes ago

Murph – I hate to say it but for your own protection, the co-op may have to fail. AdLib 14 minutes ago

Pence could not win a second term in IN….and now he is a has been despised by both sides. MurphTheSurf3 14 minutes ago

Ad…sadly….I agree….AND this Delta Variant is likely to be a serious threat here in rural MO MurphTheSurf3 13 minutes ago

Just like the GOP, the co-op has been corrupted by racists, ignorance and selfishness. It may need to fail so a new one, incorporating the black farmers, could rise. AdLib 13 minutes ago

SO…..a more isolated, less public life might be a good idea. MurphTheSurf3 13 minutes ago

Murph – In FL, TX, MS and other stated including MO, I think the Delta variant of Covid will strike hard. AdLib 12 minutes ago

Murph – And maybe if you approached those black farmers and brought in any good folks in the current co-op, you could start up an alternative one that isn’t infected with racism. AdLib 12 minutes ago

And, as a result, the GOP will redouble its propaganda about its origins. MurphTheSurf3 11 minutes ago

Ad…..I think that the black farmers have been scared off and will go it alone. MurphTheSurf3 11 minutes ago

Murph – The hard truth is, and the reason they’re trying to end democracy is that the GOP knows their numbers are shrinking. All they have left is to cheat, lie and steal. AdLib 11 minutes ago

Ad…..as I keep saying a slow motion coup has begun. MurphTheSurf3 10 minutes ago

Well, maybe if they were approached in a fair and honest way, they and others might join a better co-op. Who started the one you’re in and how long has it been together? AdLib 9 minutes ago

The co-op was my brainchild and is 12 years old. MurphTheSurf3 9 minutes ago

You’re right about that, Murph. But that coup can be stopped because it is in slow motion. The courts, the DoJ and Congress can all head it off. I think the courts will blunt it for the most part. I mean, how can courts uphold the overthrowing of a state’s voters? AdLib 8 minutes ago

Ad…it depends on how corrupt the courts are…. MurphTheSurf3 7 minutes ago

With no evidence of fraud that affected the outcome? AdLib 7 minutes ago

The thing is, if the SCOTUS upholds the rights of states to overthrow voting, they have no purpose anymore as conspirators in an overthrow. I don’t think they want that or to basically become the enemies of the people. AdLib 6 minutes ago

Well….I am going to hit the hay…….there is no less work to do on my farm….and I am finding the space created in my life by a diminished co-op is proving very useful. MurphTheSurf3 6 minutes ago

I’m glad there’s a silver lining! AdLib 5 minutes ago

Get some rest and have a good weekend! We had a good week! AdLib 5 minutes ago

I do not know how to predict Scotus impact right now. One thing I know….Breyer must step down. MurphTheSurf3 5 minutes ago

Take good care. More tired than usual this week. MurphTheSurf3 5 minutes ago

Breyer must indeed step down! AdLib 4 minutes ago

Night, pal! AdLib 4 minutes ago

Night… MurphTheSurf3 4 minutes ago