Vox Populi, our weekly live chat about the week’s events begins tonight at 7:00pm PDT. Hope to see you then! AdLib 5 hours ago

Don’t forget to say “Hi!” or “Sharpiegate!” when you arrive! AdLib 4 hours ago

Hey Harleigh! AdLib 3 hours ago

hey ad. well dorian missed me…. good. Harleigh 3 hours ago

I was thinking about you while it was coming and scooting up the coast. Glad it missed you! AdLib 3 hours ago

I had no idear bama was on the east coast Harleigh 3 hours ago

I have a friend who lives near Wilmington, NC and was concerned he would get badly hit but his house was fine (he stayed with friends, away from the coast). AdLib 3 hours ago

Hey all! Forget Sharpiegate! How about 25th amendment? Harleigh, so glad Dorian missed you. glenn 3 hours ago

Ad–Is this the same friend we talked about last year? Has he gotten his hurricane kit together for this year? glenn 3 hours ago

It’s a quick drive from Miami to Mobile, I always get them confused, they’re so close together! AdLib 3 hours ago

morning all. I’m a bit weird today – am in disbelief. Fergie’s best friend from school in England was living in France with her Sicilian husband. Long story short, she separated from him and 3 days before she returned to England, He stabbed her to death in a friends flat. Fergie had been in touch over the separation, b ut we had heard nothing for 3 weeks till we got this news. So I ‘m a bit in disbelief. Sorry. pinkpantheroz 3 hours ago

Ad–Miami and Mobile ARE close together…they both start with “M”, don’t they? glenn 3 hours ago

cat1-2 are tolerable except for flood areas. cat 5 sustained 200mph and gust to 220….holy shit. and then sat for 3 days… that area is destroyed. Harleigh 3 hours ago

Hey glenn! Yes, same friend who got hammered by that last Cat 5. I think he’s re-thinking the wisdom of moving from LA to NC. AdLib 3 hours ago

Hey PPO! AdLib 3 hours ago

hi ad pinkpantheroz 3 hours ago

hey ppo and glenn Harleigh 3 hours ago

hi harleigh pinkpantheroz 3 hours ago

glenn pinkpantheroz 3 hours ago

PPO – Horrible. So sorry. AdLib 3 hours ago

Well, never had someone I knew murdered. Wierd and slow to absorb pinkpantheroz 3 hours ago

PPO–That is so sad! I can only imagine how you and Fergie must be feeling. No need to apologize; anyone would be in disbelief. glenn 3 hours ago

there will bee a toll of several thousand I’m sure. Harleigh 3 hours ago

I didn’t say “hi” properly before. Hi Ad, Harleigh, PPO. glenn 3 hours ago

Sorry! Won’t be a downer! Did everyone see the yuuuuge crowds in Ireland for Tuppence? Many had to be Sharpie’d in! pinkpantheroz 3 hours ago

Fergie must be in shock. How do you process that? I’ve never known anyone who was murdered either. It’s an overwhelming thing to even iimagine. AdLib 3 hours ago

We;;, ad, she isn’t. We keep saying to each other, I can’t believe it! pinkpantheroz 3 hours ago

Ad–Yeah, NC seems to be getting its share of storms lately. glenn 3 hours ago

oh geez ppo… holy shit Harleigh 3 hours ago

*processing it* pinkpantheroz 3 hours ago

glenn – The one thing you would think no one would be stupid enough to lie about is the weather. His cult followers might believe him when he says it’s sunny when it’s raining but he’s only destroyed himself more by fighting reality for nearly a week. AdLib 3 hours ago

PPO–Those crowds in Ireland were yuuuge, for sure! glenn 3 hours ago

One thing Brokeahontas knows about is drawing bigger boobs – er kidneys pinkpantheroz 3 hours ago

Harleigh – I’ve seen a bunch of footage of the Bahamas, so much of it is just leveled. And I think we’ll find so many more deaths than they’re confirming now. AdLib 3 hours ago

Spanky jr had a yuge kentucky rally….. LOLOLOLOL Harleigh 3 hours ago

Sharpies-For Hire, H! pinkpantheroz 3 hours ago

Ad–except now, because of his screaming, ranting, and insanity,NOAA has now disavowed the NWS’ tweet saying that Alabama was not in danger. WTH does the TLB have on all these people that they will lie for him? glenn 3 hours ago

Have we all seen where Air Force crews are staying in Trump’s Hotel in Scotland when they fly in! pinkpantheroz 3 hours ago

PPO – Usually, with such a surreal and horrible incident like this, the first response is having trouble wrapping your head around it. Then it can get a bit hard so give Fergie hugs for all of us. AdLib 3 hours ago

Ad, hugs will be dispensed for you all. Thanks pinkpantheroz 3 hours ago

ad when Andrew hit it literall mowed down everything like a 20 mile wide lawnmower set at 2 feet. Harleigh 3 hours ago

Ad–the pictures coming out of the Bahamas show so much devastation. It’s heartbreaking. glenn 3 hours ago

glenn, has it done much damage to the mainland yet?? pinkpantheroz 3 hours ago

PPO–Seconds on the hugs! glenn 3 hours ago

g, consider yourself engulfed by a big Teddy Bear! pinkpantheroz 3 hours ago

Murph! pinkpantheroz 3 hours ago

andrew was 180 mph moving 26mph. dorian was over 200 mph movi under 5 mph…. and 4 feet or more rain….. whoa…. Harleigh 3 hours ago

PPO–There are some pictures coming out of SC that show some devastation. And, as it was last year, there are those hog pens that may be in danger of releasing manure into the streams, etc. glenn 3 hours ago

PPO….how horrifying for Fergie and by extension, for you. MurphTheSurf3 3 hours ago

From Dan Sobien, President of the National Weather Service Employees Organization: “Let me assure you the hard working employees of the NWS had nothing to do with the utterly disgusting and disingenuous tweet sent out by NOAA management tonight.” https://twitter.com/pres_nwseo/status/1170115531388719105
AdLib 3 hours ago

it hit SC as a cat 2 , 100mph Harleigh 3 hours ago

Harleigh glad you did not blow away or have to swim forit. MurphTheSurf3 3 hours ago

Hey Murph! AdLib 3 hours ago

Ad…what statement did NOAA management send out. MurphTheSurf3 3 hours ago

Harleigh–We lived in the Keys when Andrew came through. There wasn’t as much damage to the Keys as there was in Homestead, but it was bad for a while. The worst was actually the aftermath–couldn’t get anything from the mainland because Homestead was devastated. glenn 3 hours ago

Thanks, Murph. Slow to digest. She was a lovely lady who didn’t deserve that pinkpantheroz 3 hours ago

PPO….senseless violence in response to emotional distress never makes any sense in my experience. MurphTheSurf3 3 hours ago

Ad–ohhh snap! Good for Sobien! glenn 3 hours ago

murph if you’re not in shelter in those conditions you die. they are just starting recovery of bodies… Harleigh 3 hours ago

Hey Murph! glenn 3 hours ago

PPO – Yes, saw that story about the AF crews staying at Trump’s Craphotel. Congress is investigating. I expect Pelosi to take action with a firmly wagging finger. AdLib 3 hours ago

with fresh nails too! Harleigh 3 hours ago

Have you been watching the reporting on why Trump may be withholding military, intelligence and infrastructure support voted in a bipartisan fashion for Ukraine? a) To help Putin….obviously, b) To raid funds for THE WALL, c) but the third one is that he is pushing the government of Ukraine to launch an investigation of Biden! All on Maddow tonight. MurphTheSurf3 3 hours ago

Harleigh – Exactly, it looked like a giant lawnmower cut down the Bahamas! AdLib 3 hours ago

Murph–“From Wednesday, August 28, through Monday, September 2, the information provided by NOAA and the National Hurricane Center to President Trump and the wider public demonstrated that tropical-storm-force winds from Hurricane Dorian could impact Alabama,” the statement read. “This is clearly demonstrated in Hurricane Advisories #15 through #41, which can be viewed on the center’s website. “The Birmingham National Weather Service’s Sunday morning tweet spoke in absolute terms that were inconsistent with probabilities from the best forecast products available at the time.” glenn 3 hours ago

https://www.cnn.com/2019/09/06/politics/noaa-tweet-nws-trump-alabama/index.html glenn 3 hours ago

Murph – The BS NOAA statement: https://twitter.com/girlsreallyrule/status/1170129623033794567/photo/1 AdLib 3 hours ago

AdLib 3 hours ago

Murph, so we can add blackmail and Extortion to his list of crimes. Sharpie me not surprised. pinkpantheroz 3 hours ago

Harleigh–hope the nails are red! glenn 3 hours ago

AND….Maddow also reported on Air Force flights from the Middle East have been refueling at a very high cost at a civilian airport near his Scottish Resort and required to stay at the resort as well (despite their not having the money to feed themselves) …. that is the same resort that asked the Scottish government for a grant to build a seawall citing Global Climate Change as the reason for rising tides….Trump’s place, Mr. Fake Climate Change News Guy. MurphTheSurf3 3 hours ago

Murph – Yes, have been following Trump’s extortion of Ukraine. This is now insane, I am really getting upset at Pelosi and her allies for letting Trump get away with sabotaging our democracy and the world. AdLib 3 hours ago

folks across northern FL and south GA got a shock when Spanky said they were getting a hurricane. LMAO Harleigh 3 hours ago

The stuff from the NWS and NOAA is disgusting…political flunkies willing to sell their own people and their work for a bit of luvin from Tramp…uh, I mean Trump. MurphTheSurf3 3 hours ago

scary shit! Harleigh 3 hours ago

trump appointees. Harleigh 3 hours ago

PPO–For the life of me, I cannot understand why the TLB gets “protected” when he lies. And those cowards who anonymously tell reporters about the chaos in the WH and aren’t doing everything they can to get cabinet members to invoke the 25th should NEVER have another job in government, IMO glenn 3 hours ago

See how the RNC is eliminating the venues where Republican opposition to Trump might arise in prep for 2020…..caucuses and primaries where challenges may arise. MurphTheSurf3 3 hours ago

Someone on MSNBC made a good point about Sharpiegate. If Trump is willing to create false maps and pressure government officials to lie about the facts…what will he do when he loses an election? I was always a bit dismissive of the warnings about Trump refusing to go when he loses in 2020. Maybe that’s more worrisome that it may have seemed. AdLib 3 hours ago

‘Civil’ Servants don’t want to be arbitrarily fired and have their rice bowl broken, so they’ll crawl up Brokeahontas’ backside to keep them pinkpantheroz 3 hours ago

trumps cabinet would never 25 his ass…. never ever. same as raygun his last term Harleigh 3 hours ago

Ad–and yes, Pelosi needs to wake up! We have moved from the bizarre to the criminally insane! She needs to step up. glenn 3 hours ago

glenn – That’s how snowballing fear works. As management at NOAA sees how everyone else in government, including the whole Repub Congress, give into Trump’s demands out of fear, more people give in. Fear can be contagious. Or in the case of many Dems, inspires defiance and a fighting spirit. AdLib 3 hours ago

What most worries me is that someone as incompetent, as heavy handed, as transparent, as obviously corrupt as Trump has managed to stay in office for three years while in the UK Johnson is in office a month and is on pins and needles….the U.S. constitution is badly constructed to deal with this level incompetence, corruption and pure evil….we have had similar cases in the past in the Executive….it was and is overly mighty. MurphTheSurf3 3 hours ago

Murph–yeah, I saw that about the primaries. The TLB is so weak that he can’t stand opposition. When I read that, I did want to ask you, though. Do states hold primaries when an incumbent president is running again? Or only when they have someone else from the same party running? glenn 3 hours ago

Murph – They say it is not unusual for primaries to be called off in re-elections but I don’t know if that’s true when there has been opposition. Of course Trump is ordering the RNC to shut down a primary but from what I heard, IA and NH will go ahead anyway, they don’t want to lose their (unfair) influence as the first caucuses/primaries. AdLib 3 hours ago

Ad–Well, I wish Pelosi would get some of that defiance and fighting spirit. I can’t tell you how disappointed I am in her. glenn 3 hours ago

disagree glenn… senate won’t ever act as they are now…. energy in exposing trump much better spent as he amplifys it and threatens to sue..lololol Harleigh 3 hours ago

Glenn…if there are no opponents……primaries and caucuses are precluded such that all action is taken in state nominating conventions. MurphTheSurf3 3 hours ago

glenn, as normal convention seems to have been buried under a tsunami of BS, there should be no real reason why he can;’t be Primaried, pinkpantheroz 3 hours ago

Harleigh, agreed. Trump’s cabinet would sit back and watch America torched to the ground instead of standing up to Trump. Unprincipled cowards, all of them/ AdLib 3 hours ago

Ad….your observations are on the mark…….When Obama ran for reelection a number of states drop caucuses and primaries and moved straight to their state conventions….no opposition. MurphTheSurf3 3 hours ago

no primary for 2nd term on several presidents with no opposition. obama 2012 Harleigh 3 hours ago

Why would his cabinet act….they are feeding at the trough….and such action puts them in a spotlight most cannot stand. MurphTheSurf3 3 hours ago

Murph–That is what I just cannot understand about this whole mess. How has the TLB managed to stay in office? I know you and I disagree on this, but Pelosi should have been fighting this every day and every way since she took over the House. I know the TLB has been fighting her every step of the way, but she needs to step up her news conferences. Forget once a week! There should be one every day! I’m just so angry that the TLB is still in office! glenn 3 hours ago

Harleigh….when there is no credible opposition….most states move right to their state opposition. MurphTheSurf3 3 hours ago

Harleigh….not opposition, NOMINATING CONVENTION! DUH! MurphTheSurf3 3 hours ago

yep… thats it Harleigh 3 hours ago

glenn – Pelosi is now looking like she is living in a state of denial. We are watching Trump commit crimes right in front of us and she tries to slide by with “The public isn’t behind us” and “We need to have the best case.” They are the only “cops” on the beat, the only ones who could arrest Trump and she is refusing. I see her game, she is stalling as the short session before the end of the year is over then guess what? It will be 2020 and Pelosi will say, “It’s 2020, we’ll remove him at the ballot box!” But she will have set a precedent that Presidents can be criminals and not be impeached. Her reputation is muddied as each day goes by without impeachment. AdLib 3 hours ago

Glenn…I still say that Pelosi is playing a precise game here…..let more and more charges arise such that an outcry so loud is made that No One can claim that this is a Pelosi vendetta. MurphTheSurf3 3 hours ago

well documented charges and crimes…. Harleigh 3 hours ago

Again……the harder the case against Trump…the more popular the Impeachment Process will be and when the Senate finds him Not Guilty of All Charges they will do so in the face of a public that mandated the Articles. MurphTheSurf3 3 hours ago

the election after tha sb repube bloodbaths. Harleigh 3 hours ago

Murph – Ironically, Chris Hayes made the point tonight that the Brits are in the midst of seeing their system disintegrate whiile the US has two safeguards to stop a rogue president and keep government together. Unfortunately, it’s no good if The Speaker of the House ignores that duty for political advantage. AdLib 3 hours ago

Ad, I feel that Pelosi should adopt the ‘Near Enough Is Good enough’ stance instead of having all the ducks lined up. Get it going, at least pinkpantheroz 3 hours ago

Ad…..the U.S. two safeguards have been completely powerless across our history……. MurphTheSurf3 3 hours ago

P.S. I saw Hayes’ presentation. Smart fellow but he does not understand how the Parliamentary System works. MurphTheSurf3 3 hours ago

Ad–I agree heartily! If a Dem president did a tenth of what the TLB does and says, repubs’ heads would be exploding, and there would be 2,000 investigations daily! It’s time to stop the madness! glenn 3 hours ago

ag barr won’t allow them Harleigh 3 hours ago

Harleigh – The House doesn’t even have to send impeachment to The Senate. They can go through the hearings without letting Trump off the hook in The Senate. And as someone smartly put it, people will see the Repubs in The Senate letting Trump get away with his crimes no differently than seeing a racist jury in the South let another racist get away with a lynching. People aren’t blind, no one but Trump cultists would see the Repubs covering up his crimes as vindication. They would instead look like criminal collaborators to most Americans. AdLib 3 hours ago

glenn, at least when Dems have both houses, the Presidency and new extra SCOTUS places, we can then tell the GOP where to put their faux outrage pinkpantheroz 3 hours ago

good point ad…. the accusations are fact based and tons of them…. thousands of counts… it would be fun. Harleigh 3 hours ago

Sorry, folks, that’s all I can manage. Fergie says a huge thanks for the hugs. See you next week pinkpantheroz 3 hours ago

Ad…your comment to Harleigh….that is first class thinking. MurphTheSurf3 3 hours ago

Murph–you have much more patience than I. We are really past the point of letting more charges pile up. How many more is she going to let pile up? How much more damage is she going to allow the TLB to do to our courts, our government offices, our political norms? When is enough, enough? Instead of sitting by passively with one news conference a week; she should be out in front of the cameras daily (like the TLB is), repeating his malfeasance, high crimes, and misdemeanors every day! Press releases, tweets, camera time. C’mon, she needs to be out there! glenn 3 hours ago

nite ppo, hugs for fergie Harleigh 3 hours ago

Glenn….not Ad’s comment to Harleigh re. another route the House can take. I find it quite compelling. MurphTheSurf3 3 hours ago

Murph – The house is on fire right now. I don’t understand the POV that the fire has to be bigger before we call the fire department. Plenty of crimes have been proven and are being committed in broad daylight by Trump each day. Falsifying the NOAA forecast is a crime all by itself. There are over two dozen proven crimes against Trump. Do we need 100 before Pelosi acts? AdLib 3 hours ago

Ad….it is the public….the largely inattentive public….that needs to be drawn by an Inferno So Large that it cannot be ignored. MurphTheSurf3 2 hours ago

And Murph, that’s just not correct. After you expressed that idea about Pelosi preparing an impeachment, she came out last week to say she does not support impeachment. Not going to happen. As soon as 2020 is here, I will bet you a penny, she will declare it’s too late and Dems just need to win in Nov. Guaranteed. AdLib 2 hours ago

So many of us float in circles with others like us who are politically, economically, and socially aware. We are in the minority….a very tiny minority. MurphTheSurf3 2 hours ago

well i’m out folks…. see you next week! Harleigh 2 hours ago

Ad–That’s what I keep saying. Forget the Senate. Show the American people that they weren’t wrong in giving the House to the Dems. That was the reason most people wanted Dems to take over the House; to put a stop to the TLB. So far, Dems look weak, weak, weak. As I have said before, Dems need to bring precise charges, of which they have plenty, to the House for impeachment. Whittle them down to the most important ones, and start the hearings now! As I’ve said before, and as Ad just said, make the Senate “own” their obstruction. glenn 2 hours ago

ad….I see Pelosi as the person saying No on one hand, while empowering every pertinent committee in the House to go after every lead. MurphTheSurf3 2 hours ago

The closer the slam dunk in the House is to the election the better. The public is by and large blissfully, or sadly unaware…. MurphTheSurf3 2 hours ago

Murph – Why do you keep saying the case against impeaching Trump is harder? At least 12 proven crimes, 10 in the Mueller Report. All you need is one to impeach. I don’t understand the rationalizing of Pelosi’s cynical, political strategy over duty to country. AdLib 2 hours ago

‘NIte, Harleigh. glenn 2 hours ago

Ad….the harder it is, the hotter it is, the sharper it is….at every step the chances of getting the public behind it grows. MurphTheSurf3 2 hours ago

glenn – Repubs promised to impeach Hillary if she won, over her email server, on day one. Instead, Pelosi has mountains of proven crimes and claims, “Eh, not enough to impeach.” AdLib 2 hours ago

The term “Impeachment Inquiry” is now common parlance in the House……Pelosi will bow to the will of an enraged caucus back by an infuriated public…..as I suspect was her plan all along. MurphTheSurf3 2 hours ago

Thanks Murph! AdLib 2 hours ago

Welcome….deserved….I like that scenario……like a massive homecoming fire only this one is a funeral pyre. MurphTheSurf3 2 hours ago

Murph – There is nothing in the Constitution that requires public opinion to be supporting an impeachment first or any constitutional duty. It is an excuse that Pelosi hides behind to do nothing because she sees it as an advantage to Dems chances in 2020, the more horrible things Trump does and not having to put Dems in red districts on the record voting for impeachment against him. Wouldn’t you agree with that reasoning? AdLib 2 hours ago

Murph–As I’ve said before, then it’s Pelosi’s and every other Dem’s job to get those charges out before the public. Keep holding the hearings in the House, but appoint one Dem to go on at least one news show a day and repeat one charge each from the Mueller report. Then other Dems take the other charges separately, and each one repeat their charge ad nauseam, every day, just like the TLB does. We need to start beating the TLB at his own game. glenn 2 hours ago

Well…..farmer’s rise early, and at least for now, this one still has people who want what he produces. MurphTheSurf3 2 hours ago

Sorry, it should say 10 Dems to repeat one charge each from the Mueller report…. glenn 2 hours ago

Ad..I know that. But, history tells the tale……what has been the history of impeachment…..it is a poor cudgel. MurphTheSurf3 2 hours ago

Murph–G’night. Have a good weekend. Hope to chat with you next week! glenn 2 hours ago

Murph – That’s because all Pelosi wants are reguar hearings and no impeachment vote. She doesn’t care if there are 1,000 hearings by committees, as long as moderate and conservative Dems never have to vote on impeachment. AdLib 2 hours ago

The GOP paid dearly for its effort to toss clinton out the door….Pelosi was there for it. MurphTheSurf3 2 hours ago

Ad….an impeachment resolution is priveleged. Her permission is not required. Six have been put on the floor already, seconded and moved to action but did not garner the necessary support on the floor. There will come a time when that is not the case. MurphTheSurf3 2 hours ago

So long Glenn MurphTheSurf3 2 hours ago

Murph – So when is enough? How high does the mountain of crimes have to be to impeach a president? Or shothe precedent be set that impeachment should never take place if it’s not clear if it’s politically advantageous? AdLib 2 hours ago

When is it enough…..when the public joins you in demanding the action you want. MurphTheSurf3 2 hours ago

Murph–true. The GOP paid for its efforts to get rid of Clinton. However, a blow job in the oval office in no way is equal to the crimes the TLB has committed in office. There is no comparison between the two. glenn 2 hours ago

Murph–I’m not leaving yet. I thought you were leaving. LOL! glenn 2 hours ago

Murph – Actually, Repubs took over government and the WH in the next GE after Clinton’s impeachment. AdLib 2 hours ago

Glenn…the nature of the Clinton articles is not all that germane to my point….my point is that the GOP proceeded when polling made it clear that there was no line of support behind them from the public. MurphTheSurf3 2 hours ago

Murph – If government and law enforcement wirked the way you described, we’d be living in sheer anarchy. AdLib 2 hours ago

worked AdLib 2 hours ago

Actually, I changed my mind. I think I will quit for the night. G’night, gents. glenn 2 hours ago

Bye glenn! AdLib 2 hours ago

Mueph – Do you think impeachment would be bad politically for Dems? AdLib 2 hours ago

House Republicans paid a severe electoral price for moving against Bill Clinton in 1998. Remember Gingrich….in 2000 the landscape had changed moving from Clinton to Gore. MurphTheSurf3 2 hours ago

In 2000, Repubs took over government. They won the next presidential election after impeachment. How did that really end up hurting them? AdLib 2 hours ago

Ad…an impeachment that could be made to look “political”, “vindictive”, “weak” would hurt the Dems….the sign is clear….where does the public stand on this…… MurphTheSurf3 2 hours ago

2000 is 2000….1998 is 1998… MurphTheSurf3 2 hours ago

What impeachment in American history ever looned non-political? AdLib 2 hours ago

looked AdLib 2 hours ago

What does that mean? Long term, impeachment didn’t hurt Repubs. AdLib 2 hours ago

None……and to date none has been successful….a blunt, clumsy instrument resulting from a constitutional structure that creates fortresses of the three branches that are nearly impervious to assault. MurphTheSurf3 2 hours ago

Impeachment forced Nixon to resign. AdLib 2 hours ago

ad….come on…..really…..long term…..the entire contract with America fell apart…..the GOP recovered and the Dems failed to take advantage in 2000. MurphTheSurf3 2 hours ago

From the NY Times in 1998: “A solid majority of Americans want the Senate to resolve President Clinton’s impeachment case without a trial and without removing him from office, according to the latest New York Times/CBS News Poll. ” AdLib 2 hours ago

What forced Nixon to resign was that articles of impeachment would likely get the kind of hearing in the senate that would further expose him AND that popular wave behind the impeachment was there. MurphTheSurf3 2 hours ago

https://www.nytimes.com/1998/12/21/us/impeachment-polls-public-support-for-president-for-closure-emerges-unshaken.html AdLib 2 hours ago

Ad…yep…..solid majority…… MurphTheSurf3 2 hours ago

This doesn’t support your “popular support for impeachment” in Clinton’s case. AdLib 2 hours ago

There wasn’t popular support for Clinton impeachment but the GOP moved on it anyway…that is what I intended to convey MurphTheSurf3 2 hours ago

The majority of the public did not support impeachment for Clinton. So that was not the case. AdLib 2 hours ago

So the next election after Clinton’s impeachment was completed was in 2000. And Repubs won. AdLib 2 hours ago

House Republicans paid a severe electoral price for moving against Bill Clinton in 1998, at a time when polls showed most of the public opposed that action. MurphTheSurf3 2 hours ago

Republicans lost House seats in both 1998 and 2000. MurphTheSurf3 2 hours ago

Yes but they maintained control of the House in 1998. They didn’t lose power. AdLib 2 hours ago

And they retained The House in 2000. AdLib 2 hours ago

If the worst thing for Dems impeaching Trump is losing some seats but keeping control of The House, how is that a bad thing with a criminal in the WH? AdLib 2 hours ago

A very different situation than Clinton’s lying about an affair. AdLib 2 hours ago

True…..but Gingrich expected to pick up 30 plus seats at the midterm……it forced him out as speaker, killed the contract….and if Gore had been better, a lot better, and there was not a 3rd party spoiler, 2000 wouldhave been far different. MurphTheSurf3 2 hours ago

Ok…we disagree….an impasse….time will tell….I am toddlng off to bed. As always, a good discussion. MurphTheSurf3 2 hours ago

But we agree, Repubs didn’t lose power after impeaching Clinton. AdLib 2 hours ago

Sleep well! AdLib 2 hours ago

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