Vox Populi – 03-01-2019

Waz up, Ad?

Fuzzy Dunlop

Hey there FD and AD.

MurphTheSurf3

Howdy

MurphTheSurf3

Hangin in there, Ad. Hey Murph!

Fuzzy Dunlop

Trump’s behavior in Vietnam was everything I expected and more. He ended with a defense for the horrendous murder of a young man who dared to visit NK and sought to take home a poster, a fucking poster, from the wall of his hotel. His parents, who Trump used as a prop at a SOTU, were justifiably angry.

MurphTheSurf3

More public hearings! I want as many public hearings with Trump and Co. Let’s let the American people get a long, slow picture of just how criminal and morally bankrupt the GOP has become.

Fuzzy Dunlop

Fuzzy…..we have not been in the same place at the same time for a while…how goes it with you.

MurphTheSurf3

FD….I agree with your approach….and let the pressure build from the public to remove this man.

MurphTheSurf3

OK, murph. Hangin in there. And you?

Fuzzy Dunlop

Good evening, all. How is everyone?

glenn

I have had a number of altercations here with the forces of darkness, i.e. Trumpsters.

MurphTheSurf3

Hello Glenn.

MurphTheSurf3

Absolutely Murph. Just look at the results of Cohen’s testamony.

Fuzzy Dunlop

Murph–we’re dying to know how your breakfast went last week, or was it the week before?

glenn

Hey G! How goes it?

Fuzzy Dunlop

FD–doing well, thanks.

glenn

Trump the master negotiator? I think not. I guess the honeymoon is over between Little Rocket Man and Fat Donnie!

Fuzzy Dunlop

FD…I hope Cohen is the first of many.

MurphTheSurf3

That’s what I like to hear, Ad.

Fuzzy Dunlop

Me too Murph!

Fuzzy Dunlop

Ad–looking forward to the hearings of Princess Sparklepony and her husband.

glenn

Glad to hear it G!

Fuzzy Dunlop

Hey Ad, maybe a peace symbol would work better.

Fuzzy Dunlop

Glenn…the breakfast was an ambush…..I went with two of my allies and it lasted long enough for coffee to be poured and partially consumed…..they got nasty. I and my friends got up and left with me saying “This is why we do not talk.”

MurphTheSurf3

Ad–the only way Murph can really piss off the lying bully’s supporters is to keep telling the truth. They’re more averse to the truth than anything else.

glenn

Ad…I would rather carry around stakes and a large hammer.

MurphTheSurf3

Glenn…Princess Sparklepony! Love it.

MurphTheSurf3

Glenn and her husband…Secret Squirrel.

MurphTheSurf3

Murph–so the breakfast was about what you expected, right? As for Princess Sparklepony, I stole that from a commenter on another website.

glenn

Murph–Secret Squirrel is the perfect name for the Silent Spouse.

glenn

Glenn….it was….these people are thoroughly unredeemed.

MurphTheSurf3

The Trump and GOP response to Cohen has been to throw up lots and lots and lots of flack…..confuse, confound and conflate….and hope, plan on the crowd losing track.

MurphTheSurf3

Ad, you have to steal their wallets!

Fuzzy Dunlop

Ad…Trumpsters and Brains…yeah…not in my experience.

MurphTheSurf3

Murph–I’m still trying to figure out what those people see in the lying bully. A while ago, I asked someone who seemed pretty reasonable, (this was online), and this person told me that they would keep supporting the lying bully as long as the economy stays good. That seems to be the overriding reason….”As long as I’m making money, nothing else matters. Not locking up children, not kowtowing to dictators, not lying every day in every day, none of that matters as long as I’ve got mine and some goddamn poor person doesn’t have anything.”

glenn

Ad–exactly, re truth to trumpers.

glenn

It’s a real good thing for Trumpies, that breathing is autonomic.

Fuzzy Dunlop

But Glenn…it was good under Obama…just as good as now….the reasoning is so shallow. The truth- as long as Trump leads the CRUSADE OF HATE AND ANGER they will follow.

MurphTheSurf3

Murph–as everyone with half a brain has noticed, not one of the republicans refuted anything Cohen said; just kept calling him a liar. I really did love their posters, especially the one that said, “Liar, liar, pants on fire.” The lying bully has truly regressed the repubs to fifth grade, or less!

glenn

Cohen had nothing to lose, or gain, by testifying. he’s already been sentenced. He wasn’t trying to clear his name.

Fuzzy Dunlop

Ad…it should…but that Flack Attack Strategy has been effective and I expect it to escalate in the weeks ahead.

MurphTheSurf3

I loved seeing AOC ask questions! She did her homework, and you just know, that infuriated republicans.

Fuzzy Dunlop

Ad…if they still love him after that….well, we know that he can survive a number of Cohen moments.

MurphTheSurf3

FD…and I loved seeing Meadows called out for his “Token Black Woman Prop” act.

MurphTheSurf3

Tru Dat, Ad. Stupid is, as stupid does! To borrow a phrase from that well known philosopher, Forrest Gump!

Fuzzy Dunlop

Me too Murph. Meadows must be on some weird, soul altering drug.

Fuzzy Dunlop

Murph–that’s why I said, “as long as the economy stays good”. I know the lying bully has done nothing to make it better. This person online was just stating that his “buddies” wouldn’t budge on the lying bully as long as they have money in their pockets. I really want the economy to continue to do well; because that affects all of us, but according to what I’ve been reading, another “correction” is due soon.

glenn

Meadows ran as an Obama Birther and those videos are readily available. Cummings must have to hold his nose in his interactions with him…but Cummings is well known for taking the high road and using magnanimous engagements to work for the greater good.

MurphTheSurf3

Glenn…I am sure you are correct….with misery will come a turning away from the orange badger but it will hurt us all.

MurphTheSurf3

Fd–reasonable people see it that Cohen had nothing to lose; republicans also see it that way. They have nothing to lose by throwing as much shit on the wall to see what will stick. They pretty much know that everything Cohen said is true; they’re just trying to deflect from it–you know the usual repub strategy.

glenn

Ad…I believe you are correct…..in that assessment.

MurphTheSurf3

Murph–I love Cummings. As someone said about him, he’s part preacher, part civil rights leader, and part politician.

glenn

Not doubt G. I don’t they’ll be able to sustain that strategy for all the upcoming hearings. The die hards won’t budge, but I bet some low info voters will rethink their support. The rest of America will see for themselves what a bunch of sleazoids the GOP has turned into.

Fuzzy Dunlop

The smartest Republican I know here, who was once the leader of the party in this county for many years, has abandoned the party…..arguing that he is just too old but most know the truth. He is broken hearted.

MurphTheSurf3

Glenn….good description of Cummings. He and Lewis are great soulds.

MurphTheSurf3

Souls.

MurphTheSurf3

Her, solid souls…soulds!

Fuzzy Dunlop

Ad–I agree with you that the majority of Americans aren’t buying the repub distractions. The question IMO, is will that be enough for them to stop voting repub? Especially in the 2020 election.

glenn

FD…that is a good preview of things to come…the turning away begins.”

MurphTheSurf3

Sold?

MurphTheSurf3

Murph–Give your old republican my thoughts and prayers, will you?

glenn

Glenn…thoughts and prayers!….I am sure you are being sincere….you are, aren’t you?

MurphTheSurf3

glenn, I think when all is said and done, America is going to see a very real, and very ugly picture of the GOP. It’s their own fault. For two years they’ve pretty much done as they pleased, and optics be damned. That’s before they lost the house. Now? Their believed invincibility is crumbling.

Fuzzy Dunlop

FD–I agree that it would be wonderful if some low info voters will rethink their support. However, I’m not sure that the low info voters are the ones watching the hearings. The best we can hope for is that they don’t show up to vote in 2020.

glenn

Ad….Pelosi et al want public outrage to grow and/or legal action to force their hand since they see any action by themselves along will be a perfect distraction for flack masters.

MurphTheSurf3

Murph–as sincere as republicans were when they gave theirs after mass murders. Does that work?

glenn

Oh Glenn….I knew you were speaking from the heart (of darkness)….hah!

MurphTheSurf3

Ad–Speaking of the lying trying to control and dominate the repub party, what do you think of Cohen’s prediction that if the lying bully loses, there won’t be a peaceful transition?

glenn

Murph–you understand me so well!

glenn

Glenn….I think that Cohen was saying that Trump and his minions would do everything they could to make the transition messy, messier and messiest.

MurphTheSurf3

I would love to see the secret service, dragging Fat Donnie out of the Oval office, kicking and sceaming, like the man/baby that he is.

Fuzzy Dunlop

Ad…oh, i think that as the public outrage grows and as the courts come into play….expect that the requisite GOP will come on line.

MurphTheSurf3

Murph–I think Pelosi’s strategy of not going for impeachment now is the best right now. I want to see every one of the lying bully’s family, employees, and cabinet members paraded before the House so the American people can watch.

glenn

That’s true Ad.

Fuzzy Dunlop

Murph–not trying to belabor a point, but how would the transition be “messy”?

glenn

I’m wondering what would we be transitioning to? Pence?

Fuzzy Dunlop

Glenn….literally do no prep for a transition, refuse to meet with the incoming admin, cloud up the transition with lots of executive orders, create data dumping that makes it hard to find crucial info etc.

MurphTheSurf3

Ad–the repubs are cowards, no doubt. But some of their most die-hard nut jobs would probably continue to commit violence, as they have already. Perhaps I am overthinking Cohen’s remarks, but I believe he was speaking specifically of the lying bully not going peacefully. Imagine the all-cap tweets!

glenn

And the flurry of misspelled words!

Fuzzy Dunlop

FD–Oh yeah, kicking, screaming, and in handcuffs going straight to jail. Do not pass “Go”, do not collect $200.

glenn

Ad…..I doubt there will ever be enough GOP to find him guilty but if there are enough who stand against him (protecting their own reelections) then the whole thing will not look like a partisan lynching.

MurphTheSurf3

In a perfect world, G!

Fuzzy Dunlop

Murph–yeah, those sound like things the lying bully would do.

glenn

Ad….that is my reading as well…expect preemptive court actions from the Dems as well to block the worst of sabotage

MurphTheSurf3

Ad–I don’t see Pelosi’s waiting as weak; I see it almost the same as the Mueller investigation. I think she wants to make sure she has all the evidence, documents, etc., she needs to make sure that, even though repubs will lie, kick, and scream about it, they will have no choice to impeach. IOW, I see her “dotting all her “i’s” and crossing all her “t’s”.

glenn

Well folks, goot run. Take care all, and keep the faith!

Fuzzy Dunlop

Ad…that may be as many as 12

MurphTheSurf3

CHOICE!!!!!

MurphTheSurf3

Evening all! Sorry I’m late!

choicelady

Does anyone here see any repubs in the Senate joining the Dems in the resolution to cancel the emergency action?

glenn

So gladdddd to see you….Fuzzy just left.

MurphTheSurf3

Bye Fuzzy – we DON’T meet again! Sorry!

choicelady

MURPH!!!

choicelady

‘Nite FD

glenn

Glenn…that is tricky for them as Trump will veto….

MurphTheSurf3

Hi gleen, AdLib – sorry to miss Fuzzy, glad to see YOU.

choicelady

Hey CL–long time, no see.

glenn

SO CL what’s on your mind….

MurphTheSurf3

Adlib – the reason Pelosi didn’t impeach Bush was the international aspect of his war crimes. NO nation has ever successfully prosecuted its own. I’m quite sure Pelosi is fine impeaching the Yam Man WHEN every duck is in its essential row.

choicelady

Choice….as always, what’s on your mind is very good stuff!

MurphTheSurf3

Ad–That’s why I think Pelosi is strategic to wait–at least until we have some more hearings. You know how repubs love playing victim, and if the lying bully doesn’t actually get impeached in the Senate, I believe the “Clinton bump” would be just as effective for the lying bully. The one thing Pelosi doesn’t want to do is give repubs more ammunition, and a failed impeachment process would do just that, IMO.

glenn

I had not considered the issue of war crimes as requiring an international tribunal setting but that does seem to be so to me. Has Bush or Cheney left the U.S. since leaving office. I do not think so.

MurphTheSurf3

Murph – I’m just catching up. Life has been fraught w medical stuff. Technically I’m now retired though I do stuff as a volunteer. But my husband has been going through a ton of stuff, and i had to retire to make room for medical appointments!

choicelady

Murph – no neither one of them can lave the US. There are arrest warrants, good forever, against both of them.

choicelady

Choice….so sad to hear that……are things looking up or are you very heavily burdened in the moment.

MurphTheSurf3

Can LEAVE. Dyslexia of the fingers.

choicelady

CL–that’s what I’m thinking about impeachment too. Let us have some more hearings, give Pelosi actual criminal charges for impeachment. That’s my opinion, anyway.

glenn

Choice…thanks for the info….I though that this was the case….have you seen VICE…I have…twice.

MurphTheSurf3

CL–Sorry to hear about all your medical “stuff”. Not easy to deal with a ton of doctors, I know! We are here for you if we can help in any way!

glenn

Murph – he was prescribed Tramadol, an opioid, and though he took it only once a day, it has become awful and yes, he’s in the middle of detoxing. He’s hyper sensitive to all meds, and it’s taking forever. But the hip pain IS getting better.

choicelady

Glenn….I am with you…make the GOP argue that someone indicted or who should be is not guilty of high crimes and misdemeanors.

MurphTheSurf3

Murph – it did not warm our hearts to learn the Coat Guard terrorist is on Tramadol…

choicelady

Tramadol is tricky stuff.

MurphTheSurf3

Murph – yes it is.

choicelady

BRB

glenn

Especially in combination with pain blockers.

MurphTheSurf3

Glenn – I do think the hearings will produce convictable evidence and the House will impeach. I would recommend that it be done later in 2020 precisely because we can’t get a conviction. Tie him up, impeach him, no time for the Senate to try him. Then he can’t claim victory. And I think his supporters are serious – they will try to start a civil war.

choicelady

Oh I agree, AdLib – it’s strategy and timing that are the issue now.

choicelady

CL…how late in 2020

MurphTheSurf3

I think all anyone has to do is look at badass Nancy to know she’s NOT afraid to impeach. Murph – I’d say mid year and DRAG it OUT. Don’t let the Senate get to him and free him! Have it hanging over his head. That would change IF we had enough brave GOP, but…

choicelady

CL….so it is June 2020……are you suggesting that the Senate would not get a vote until after the November election? What does this do to the campaign seasons for members of congress et. al.

MurphTheSurf3

I’m hearing talk BTW about some jurisdictions doing away with the DOJ policy of not indicting a sitting president. Some of his issues – tax fraud – belong to the state of NY. They could haul his ass without worrying about DOJ or Trump himself.

choicelady

CL….I am hearing the same thing……a number of Districts are REALLY angry with what Trump has tried to do to THEIR DOJ and they want to take him down.

MurphTheSurf3

Murph – it’s a bear to put it off. I think if we do it too soon, McConnell will make sure Trump is cleared, not impeached. Only things could change that would be Mueller’s findings that are SO compelling about criminality and treason the GOP would have little choice.

choicelady

Murph – Yup. States hate him.

choicelady

CL…a bear indeed.

MurphTheSurf3

CL….the Districts are ALL being led by Trump appointees….that has gotta hurt.

MurphTheSurf3

I met Schiff here in Sacramento. I don’t detect any reluctance to impeach from him. I see no cowardice from Pelosi. It all will hinge on EVIDENCE and airtight at that.

choicelady

The timing of the impeachment in the House is critical. The question is what is the best timing? If the House does impeach, then don’t you think the turtle will act at warp speed to hold the hearing in the Senate while repubs still hold the Senate?

glenn

Southern D. of NY has always gone its own way. Barr could shut them down. We shall see. They call it SDNY the “Sovereign District of NY”. But…???

choicelady

glenn – yes, McTurtle would do his best to clear Trump fast. The later the better. Much will depend on what else is going on.

choicelady

Barr…if he is smart….and all the evidence supports that…..he is going to take the position that things have gone too far to try to artificially intervene.

MurphTheSurf3

CL–“what else is going” as in what states are doing?

glenn

It is my dream that Mueller has the paper on not just the WH but the corrupt Senators and Reps, too.

choicelady

Looks like Trump’s Tax returns are in the cross hairs. 10 years worth.

MurphTheSurf3

glenn – I’m not sure yet about the states.

choicelady

CL–You are a beautiful dreamer!

glenn

Murph – LOVE that his taxes can be subpoenaed! (Did I spell that correctly?)

choicelady

glenn – one must have hope!

choicelady

AdLib – if he has committed tax fraud and insurance fraud to the degree Cohen indicated, every state he has property in will have a piece of him and his empire. He will be lucky to live out of an old VW van, presuming he’s not in prison.

choicelady

Murph–You know, I had to look up the statutes on limitation for tax fraud, because I didn’t want the lying bully to be able to slip under the radar. Fortunately, from what I read, tax fraud has no statute of limitations. Tax evasion, i.e., not paying taxes, has a 10-year limit, but not outright fraud. So, Dems better make sure to word the indictment correctly.

glenn

Have you all heard they’re going after Trump’s accountant? Presumption is he will be given 100% immunity if he sings. Wow!

choicelady

Glenn….the image of Trump’s misery is enticing and frightening…what would he be willing to do to stop it from happening.

MurphTheSurf3

glenn – it would not be Dems per se but states attorneys general, and they’re pretty good at this stuff.

choicelady

CL–Heard they’re going after the accountant. Didn’t hear the immunity part. Sing a beautiful song!

glenn

The Statutes governing all of this are promising.

MurphTheSurf3

Murph – that’s the scary part, and we already know what his fans are willing to do. Back to the Coast Guard guy. I’m also back in the cross hairs, so it’s not an idle concern for me.

choicelady

One by one, block by block the Trump Edifice is likely to be taken down.

MurphTheSurf3

CL–If it’s tax fraud, wouldn’t it be federal taxes? Or, do you think the states will file separate charges?

glenn

States should have jurisdiction over state taxes and state property taxes.

choicelady

CL…so am I…….you look back in this thread you will see a reference to a breakfast I had with a couple of T-loyalists that did not go well.

MurphTheSurf3

glenn – every state’s laws are different, but fraud is fraud universally.

choicelady

Murph–I hope the lying bully and his entire family, except Barron and Tiffany, are sitting in jail within two years’ time. We’ll see. The cynical side of me says he’s gotten away with it this long, and he now has most of the repubs in Congress giving him cover, so I hope with all my being that he is brought down to nothing, but I’ll settle for getting him out of office, and watching him fight all the state charges against him.

glenn

Glenn – it is good to have a couple of scenarios in mind in this.

MurphTheSurf3

CL–but what I’m getting at is if Congress gets his tax returns, then wouldn’t the federal charges of tax fraud take precedence? And, is that grounds for impeachment?

glenn

Ad–is that legal? Pardoning ones self?

glenn

This whole thing is feeling more and more like Watergate…..special prosecutors, local investigations by police, various Congressional committees, watching the frog slowly boil one degree at a time.

MurphTheSurf3

Murph–yeah the big “prize” is to get him out of office in disgrace, not because he loses in 2020.

glenn

Glenn….I cannot imagine any court backing a self-pardon. Further i think that Pence would run from such a suggestion….

MurphTheSurf3

Alright, lady and gents, time for me to call it a night. CL, take care of yourself, and hope to see you soon here on the Planet. Murph, and Ad, take care as well.

glenn

Murph – I’m sorry. I just looked, and that sounds awful. I like the ‘steak and hammer’ policy. I also noted your interaction w the guy who was all in for Trump to make money. His reasoning is racism always – just so white people get it, we don’t care about THOSE people. This is the culmination of the civil war.

choicelady

Glenn…great discussion tonight

MurphTheSurf3

Goodnight gleen – lovely to get a brief chance to talk! Be well!

choicelady

Ad and Murph–yeah, he’ll probably try to pardon himself. Probably in a tweet or an emergency order!

glenn

glenn – wouldn’t doubt it for a second.

choicelady

CL…we are, as always, on the same page.

MurphTheSurf3

‘NIte all…..

glenn

Nite glenn

MurphTheSurf3

glenn – good night!

choicelady

Murph – are you seeing ANY pushback from your fellow farmers against tariffs or is the crop base not so affected?

choicelady

Ad – another reason to do this late in the game and pray we take back the Senate.

choicelady

CL….so many of those farmers are so into Trump that they remain blinded followers….it is insane

MurphTheSurf3

Murph – I’m so sorry.

choicelady

Choice..but if this is 2020….and Trump loses the presidency…what happens to his trial in the Senate.

MurphTheSurf3

I seriously don’t think a pardon IF we get the WH is so bad – once he’s pardoned for what he was accused of, he’s still vulnerable to state and OTHER federal crimes.

choicelady

Ad….Pence will hesitate…..he will be in fear of his prosecution I think.

MurphTheSurf3

Well, it would be moot, Murph but he’d then be totally vulnerable to criminal charges.

choicelady

Murph – you may well be correct. Pence has major baggage on treason, and I think he’s sweating this.’

choicelady

CL and Ad……keeping the heat up is the key no matter what scenario comes into play….

MurphTheSurf3

I met Schiff as I said. That man is made of ice. He’s NOT warm and fuzzy at all.

choicelady

CL…I sensed that from him. He seems almost robotic…..but it works for him.

MurphTheSurf3

I’ve seen him on TV relaxed and joking, but professionally he’s as much of a ramrod as Mueller.

choicelady

Sidebar – people look for ‘excitement’ in a candidate. I look for steely eyed dedication to law and democracy. I’d vote Schiff for president in a second, and I didn’t even LIKE him after we’d talked. RESPECT him, yes. Like? Nope.

choicelady

Well, we will see…..Yikes! 10:20….this one needs to check my security cameras and alarms, check the shotgun, pull down the shade and call it a night.

MurphTheSurf3

Ad – a pardon is no real help when so many other crimes hang over the Yam Man and his spawn.

choicelady

Good night to two of my favorite people!

MurphTheSurf3

Damn, Murph – that’s a horrible nighttime routine!

choicelady

Good night, dear Murph. Stay safe, sweet dreams.

choicelady

CL…it is what it is……I am rooted here now and too invested in my place…..but my systems are well known…..and respected.

MurphTheSurf3

Murph – that matters. People knowing you will ‘stand your ground’ tends to keep them at bay. I’m just sorry you have to live like that.

choicelady

CL…best to you and your guy….Ad, best to you and your fam! Good night.

MurphTheSurf3

good night, dear AdLib. Have yourself a shotgun free evening. Poor Murph. I’m glad our lives haven’t gotten THAT nuts!

choicelady

i’ll try to be here. Sweet dreams! ‘Nite!

choicelady

Apologies, Ad! Totally distracted by home stuff! Forgive! See u next week!

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