Vox Populi – 08-24-2018

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Vox Populi, our weekly live chat about the week’s events begins tonight at 7:00pm PDT. Hope to see you then!
AdLib 4 hours ago
Hey PPO!
AdLib an hour ago
Our mascot for tonight’s Vox:

AdLib an hour ago
Hey Murph!
AdLib an hour ago
How’s your flippin’ Friday going?
AdLib an hour ago
Hey Ad and PPO…..not bad……love the theme……the only thing is that Flipper is likely to be insulted by the connection.
MurphTheSurf3

an hour ago
Hey there PPO.
MurphTheSurf3

an hour ago
hi all! Sad for McCain.
pinkpantheroz

an hour ago
At least Flipper is a mammal. Can’t say the same about the reptile in the WH.
AdLib an hour ago
PPO….he fought the good fight…..
MurphTheSurf3

an hour ago
Ad…true…snakes in the grass.
MurphTheSurf3

an hour ago
What is in that safe must be terrifying PapayaPuss!
pinkpantheroz

an hour ago
True, Murph, Disliked his politics, but he wasn’t the worst.
pinkpantheroz

an hour ago
Do you think the safe is in safe keeping…or is it swimming with the fishes?
MurphTheSurf3

an hour ago
PPO – Though I haven’t been a fan of McCain until he stopped the attempt to kill the ACA and stood up repeatedly to Trump, the enemy of my enemy is my ally and we will lose an ally when McCain goes (though he did vote for the awful tax cuts).
AdLib an hour ago
Murph…. Mueller has it, or there wouldn’t have been a blanket immunity deal. Nuclear info!
pinkpantheroz

an hour ago
Ad…..I rather liked him and very much disliked his politics…every now and then as in McCain-Feingold campaign reform and in principled stands he would shine.
MurphTheSurf3

an hour ago
PPO – There has to be at least a few stories about women who Trump paid abortions for, molestations, lots of horribe things done to women I’ll bet.
AdLib an hour ago
PPO….Mueller has it! how interesting.
MurphTheSurf3

an hour ago
Murph – Would Pecker really have destroyed all that leverage over the man who won the WH? I don’t think so. He hid it elsewhere I’d bet.
AdLib an hour ago
Ad, Trump is so poisonous, that more of the same may not be enough to put him away. Overwhelmed by his evil
pinkpantheroz

an hour ago
Ad…that is what I presumed but PPO brings up an interesting scenario…Mueller already has it in exchange for the immunity.
MurphTheSurf3

an hour ago
Hi Glenn
MurphTheSurf3

an hour ago
Murh, that’s how I read Huffposts article
pinkpantheroz

an hour ago
PPO…hmmmm….I need to look at that.
MurphTheSurf3

an hour ago
McCain was not a legit “maverick”, remember in his last election when he insisted he never said he was just to win re-electiion? He brought us Sarah Palin which led to Trump. He is a very flawed man but most recently, he was rare among the Repub sell-outs in standing up to Trump at times. I am not happy to see him go now.
AdLib an hour ago
Evenin’, gents. PPO, my condolences on the passing of your mom. May your happy memories sustain you in this difficult time.
glenn

an hour ago
Hi, Murph, Ad.
glenn

an hour ago
Hey glenn!
AdLib an hour ago
Ad.. accept your thumbnail sketch of McCain…..esp. in re. to Palin…he was willing to foist her on us as his VP…a man whose health has long been on the edge.
MurphTheSurf3

an hour ago
Glenn, Thank you and hi. Yes, been busy organising the funeral in Dublin. Sad, but a release from the cruelty of dementia she had for 15 years.
pinkpantheroz

an hour ago
PPO…I did not know…..condolences and hope that peace is both hers and yours.
MurphTheSurf3

an hour ago
I don’t know for certain if Mueller has what was in the safe…but he has Pecker’s testimony of what was in the safe which is pretty good too. And I wonder, if an ND was part of a criminal conspiracy, can all of the people who Pecker assisted Trump in silencing, be free of their NDs?
AdLib an hour ago
Ad–I think McCain’s shining moment was when he shut down that woman who called President Obama a muslim, and said she didn’t trust him. McCain’s answer to her was one of the most statesmanlike things I’ve ever heard.
glenn

an hour ago
Ad. AD = Non Disclosures?
MurphTheSurf3

an hour ago
Thank you Murph. ‘Little Eileen Marmion’ Star of the Variety stage 1930-1940. Lots of memories
pinkpantheroz

an hour ago
Clarification–he wasn’t President Obama then, just McCain’s opponent in the race for president.
glenn

an hour ago
PPO – Trump is a moronic snake that bites himself.
AdLib an hour ago
Yes, ND = Non-Disclosures Agreements (NDAs too).
AdLib an hour ago
True, Ad, but can he kill himself, or hjust shake off the poison and go on?
pinkpantheroz

an hour ago
PPO–Will you be attending the funeral?
glenn

an hour ago
MurphTheSurf3

an hour ago
glenn, unfortunately not. Eye injection stops me travelling in pressurized aircraft for 2 weeks
pinkpantheroz

an hour ago
PPO…it is a nice write up at the facebook page with photos.
MurphTheSurf3

an hour ago
Ad–good question about the NDA’s. Except I don’t think it really matters. Let the lying bully try to sue them if they violate their NDA’s. Then he has to go to court and face disclosure. Never going to happen, IMO.
glenn

an hour ago
Murph – McCain was not a legit “maverick” or centrist, he was a war monger though he did act on principles at times. Palin paved the way for the open racism and hatred we see in the Trump Era (remember her racist rallies?) and McCain showed a lack of principles and vision in picking her as his VP. Again, a flawed man but at moments, he stood up for important things like opposing torture and killing the ACA.
AdLib an hour ago
PPO–I’m sure you will be there in spirit, and remember her in your own way on that day.
glenn

an hour ago
Ad…I agree…..his position on war as an effective tool was particularly disturbing given his personal experience.
MurphTheSurf3

an hour ago
Murph, Ad. Yes. I don’t do FB, but a pal of mine put it in.
pinkpantheroz

an hour ago
I have a question about indicting a sitting president. If the crimes of the sitting president were committed before he became president, why shouldn’t he be indicted? Does winning the presidency absolve him of crimes?
glenn

an hour ago
Friends will connect me via Skype to the service on Tuesday.
pinkpantheroz

an hour ago
PPO – Wishing you, Fergie and the whole family the best in dealing with the loss of your mother.
AdLib an hour ago
Thnak you, Ad. It’s a bit mixed right now. Busy, sorry, sad, relieved she is finally at peace. Emotions all over the place
pinkpantheroz

an hour ago
PPO–Modern technology can be so wonderful at times.
glenn

an hour ago
PPO…understandable- glad you can be there in spirit and via tech.
MurphTheSurf3

an hour ago
glenn – Agreed, I will remember that with a kind of nostalgia, when a Republican stood up against blind bigotry even when it wasn’t to their advantage. When McCain corrected that bigoted woman, he set a high bar that I don’t think we’ll see from a Republican again until Trump is a dim memory (working on a rockpile).
AdLib an hour ago
PPO–Understandable about your emotions. It’s best to let them go where they may; they will help you through the process.
glenn

an hour ago
Glenn…..the issue of indicting is all about activity that would incapacitate a president. The theory is that such prosecution would so harm the operation of government that the nation would be endangered. It also exists, as a principle, based on the belief that such prosecution would quite possibly stem from malicious political behavior by opposing forces.
MurphTheSurf3

an hour ago
PPO – Trump just becomes more toxic as he bites himself and in the end, he is destroying himself.
AdLib an hour ago
glenn – Why it may matter is that some of those people who signed NDAs may be too scared to violate them until or unless they are legally declared null and void. Look at all that Stormy Daniels has been through, she’s tough and has done amazingly through it all but I doubt many of Trump’s victims would be as bold.
AdLib an hour ago
Good news from OZ. The Prime Minister, who was trying to do Trump impersonations with Tax cuts for the Rich and cutting back on social programs, has been toppled. And the new PM is not the anointed cretin they wanted, but the 3rd pick! End of Liberal National Party?( Our GOP) Hopefully!
pinkpantheroz

an hour ago
PPO….and in that short paragraph you illustrate why I regard our entire structure as fundamentally flawed……you have the means to hold your governments accountable and the way to remedy things when they are not.
MurphTheSurf3

43 minutes ago
Ad, does Trump have enough money to pursue shaky NDAs? Dare he go after someone, where discovery applications could unlock his Tax Returns?
pinkpantheroz

43 minutes ago
Murph – Agreed. I am almost militant about not whitewashing who people really were just because they are ill or have died. I find that putting politeness above truth and the issue I have with it is those final polite opinions may last as inaccurate portrayals of people. I don’t think McCain is an awful person, I think he’s supported a lot of awful things but has occassionally stood up for decency. Most people are not black and white but degrees of gray. Except Trump of course, he’s as black hearted as they come.
AdLib 42 minutes ago
Murph–That theory of the prosecution so harming our government is so not applicable in the lying bully’s case. Our government is already in chaos. The lying bully should be removed from office first with the 25th amendment. As I understand it, the vp, and other high government officials can petition the Senate to remove him from office. I know it’s a little more complicated than that, but if the lying bully is so unable to perform his duties because of the indictment, then he should be removed under the 25th amendment. I don’t think any republicans have the gonads to even bring it up, but it does give them another path other than impeachment.
glenn

42 minutes ago
Murph…once again, we agree…McCain had a real nobility about him but the banners he often flew were not worthy ones.
MurphTheSurf3

40 minutes ago
glenn – The principle behind not indicting the president, whether for crimes during or before he took office, is that it would tie him up so much he couldn’t fulfill his duties under The Constitution. Of course with Trump, since he doesn’t follow the Constitution, I don’t see what we’d lose.
AdLib 40 minutes ago
Ad–Perhaps you’re correct about those who signed NDA’s. I hope they see the lying bully as wounded, because he certainly is, and they take their chances. Hard to predict, I know, and I don’t know how brave I’d be, either, if I were in their shoes.
glenn

40 minutes ago
Murph: The US has the ability to remove the President for incompetence, but chooses not to use it. Our GOP DID use it. They themselves caused the spill and election – within their own Party – to change their leader. They could see the writing on the wall about the upcoming General Election.
pinkpantheroz

39 minutes ago
Glenn…..your counter is a strong one and there is room for exceptional circumstances in some of the opinions on this. As to the 25th. The VP and 50 percent of the Cabinet can temporarily remove a Pres who has the right to challenge the removal.
MurphTheSurf3

39 minutes ago
PPO – That’s exactly how it seems when an elderly parent has been afflicted by dementia/Alzheimer’s. As they hang onto life, they’re a fainter echo of who they used to be…but they’re still there. When they pass away, they’re gone but not suffering from their ailments anymore. It’s difficult and we’re with you.
AdLib 38 minutes ago
PPO…how does the U.Sl have ability to remove a president for incompetence.
MurphTheSurf3

38 minutes ago
PPO–Read about your government shake up today. And, I agree with Murph; we need a way to remedy things with the person we now have sitting in the oval office. PPO, who initiates the steps to topple your PM? Is it the PM’s own party or the opposition?
glenn

37 minutes ago
Murph – You nailed the indictment prohibition well. Which is why there’s impeachment and the 25th Amendment. I can see a scenario where, if Dems win back the House and all these legal matters keep closing in on Trump, with Mueller hammering him with the Russia conspiracy to top it off, that Repubs could finally start breaking off from him and out of self-preservation, support impeachment. Otherwise, I can imagine them being too cowardly to do so and the GOP and Trump being crushed in 2020.
AdLib 36 minutes ago
PPO–As I was typing my response to you and Murph, you answered my question. Murph, PPO is correct in that we do have the means to oust the lying bully through the 25th amendment. The problem in the US right now is that the ruling party, the republicans, have chosen the lying bully over their country.
glenn

35 minutes ago
PPO – Good news indeed! I was wondering where this would leave things since he’s still in the Liberal Party but if he’s at least not as much of an extremist, that’s a start. Now what about Labor winning back control?
AdLib 34 minutes ago
Murph…. hasn’t he proven comprehensibly an inability to correctly carry out the Duties of POTUS?
pinkpantheroz

34 minutes ago
Ad….a friend, a gerontologist, often reminds me that he sees how modern medicine so often keeps those alive for whom life is nothing but a sad burden.
MurphTheSurf3

34 minutes ago
Ad–exactly. We have nothing to lose if the 25th is invoked. Also Pence would only be “acting president”, and perhaps, with a new Dem majority in at least one house of Congress, there would be much more checks and balances from Congress.
glenn

33 minutes ago