Vox Populi – 6-19-2015

Such a tragic week but much to discuss. Our live chat begins right here as always at 7:00pm PDT. Hope to see you then.
AdLib7 days ago

Good evening, all. Once again, my heart is sad.
glenn7 days ago

whats wrong?
Harleigh7 days ago
Hey glenn.
AdLib7 days ago

Hi, glenn, adlib. What, really can you say to such hate?
pinkpantheroz7 days ago
Harleigh – The SC shooting.
AdLib7 days ago

Harleigh, with the news out of SC, it breaks my heart.
glenn7 days ago

Hey, Harleigh
pinkpantheroz7 days ago

Hey, Ad, PPO. Don’t know what we can say to such hate; that’s why my heart is sad.
glenn7 days ago

I do congratulate the families for not letting his hate decend on them and to diffuse with forgiveness
pinkpantheroz7 days ago

Hi folks. The shootings are more often than us meeting here weekly. Another young white bagger murdering unarmed people.
Harleigh7 days ago

PPO–the families are showing that they are truly Christians.
glenn7 days ago
PPO – It’s like the country continues to have cancer but has spent decades wiping out that from its memory. Then, the cancer makes itself known again. This needs to be recognized and treated. The Fox News creeps did all they could do to hide the truth of this cancer called racism.
AdLib7 days ago

glenn, they’re so much more christian than me. I don’t know if I could do the same in their shoes.
pinkpantheroz7 days ago

yes, Ad. So many RW media sites trying to spin this into anything other than racial terrorism.
pinkpantheroz7 days ago

PPO–I agree. I don’t know if I could forgive the shooter, either. You’re right; they’re better Christians than I.
glenn7 days ago

I feel that that smug little MF shold be taken to the state capital and hung on the pole with their stars and bars flag. seriously.
Harleigh7 days ago

Harleigh–make sure you wrap that flag tightly around his head before you hoist it up.
glenn7 days ago

Since when is it OK to make it illegal to take down a Hate flag?
pinkpantheroz7 days ago

no shit
Harleigh7 days ago

For this guy, Vlad, the Impaler had the right idea.
pinkpantheroz7 days ago

Hey kids! Had a 2 week visit from the son, who’s back in Madison now. Missed you all. Unfortunately, the mass shootings haven’t stopped in the meantime…
kesmarn7 days ago

Nimrata Haley supports the hate flag!!!!
Harleigh7 days ago

PPO–I will never understand why Southerners insist upon that flag being its “heritage”. Heritage, my ass. It’s the flag of losers, traitors, and racists, no matter how they try to spin it any other way!
glenn7 days ago

Welcome Home, KES!
pinkpantheroz7 days ago
Harleigh – I know how you feel, I’m just furious. But as PPO mentioned, seeing the response of the families not to want to seek his death shows a better, more enlightened side of humanity I think. We need to be better than racist scum and the families look so far above them.
AdLib7 days ago

Thanks so much, PPO! Care to join me in a Confederate flag burning?
kesmarn7 days ago
Hey Kes, great to see you! Sounds like a wonderful 2 weeks!
AdLib7 days ago

I’m in! lol
Harleigh7 days ago

We had a great time, AdLib!
kesmarn7 days ago

I think I’ll need to empty the kitty litter box on that flag before I ignite it!
kesmarn7 days ago

Hey Kes–nice to hear some happy news.
glenn7 days ago

glenn, you got that right. Kes, I’ll be front row, as long as we can wrap it around any of the Candidates who refuse to see this for what it was.
pinkpantheroz7 days ago

Hello all….you may recall that I lived in SC for a number of years. I know Mother Emmanuel well. Sad week.
MurphTheSurf37 days ago

Be sure to wrap the perp in that flag also too!
Harleigh7 days ago

hey murph
Harleigh7 days ago

Deathly silence so far from the gun lobby.
pinkpantheroz7 days ago

Hey Murph.
glenn7 days ago

Hey, glenn! It was great to see him. But this Charleston situation has brought my mood down somewhat, to say the least.
kesmarn7 days ago

hey Murph
pinkpantheroz7 days ago
glenn – So true, the Confederate Flag is nostalgia over a disgusting period of slavery, that’s all. It’s like having towns in Germany use the Nazi flag as their official flag and insisting it was just to celebrate their history.
AdLib7 days ago

Hey Murph.
AdLib7 days ago

The two lies that bother me the most: 1.) That this is not about race and 2.) That if the pastor had been armed this wouldn’t have happened.
kesmarn7 days ago

Ad, brilliant! what a perfect analogy! But I think these klukkers already use it in theUS
pinkpantheroz7 days ago

less than 1% of southern farmers owned slaves but got the people to fight for their right to own them. Sound familiar?
Harleigh7 days ago

PPO–not quite. One of the NRA board members said it was the victims’ fault that they were shot because the church was a gun-free zone. These assholes won’t be happy until we’re all carrying and shooting each other. Another idiot also said the Clemnta (forget his last name) was shot because he voted against open carry. As if shooting someone who votes against what you want is alright! GRRRRR
glenn7 days ago

So far I haven’t heard a single genuinely decent word from the GOP either — just robo-speak. And the NRA has been nothing less than despicable.
kesmarn7 days ago
Saw that gun sales have jumped up since Obama attackes America’s gun culture. A perverse dynamic and one that proves what insane people these gun extremists are. Racist and paranoid, all that has to happen is someone important condemning gun violence and these nutjobs panic that the “gub’mint” is going to take all their guns away so they better buy up several more. How many damn guns can one nutjob hold and fire anyway?
AdLib7 days ago

The grounds of the state capitol in Columbia are just bizarre…a monument to slaves, a monument to the women of the confederacy ennobling the sacrifice of their fallen heroes, a monument to the confederacy featuring the flag, momuments to some really awful racists and to some really wonderful civil rights leaders…all on the same grounds.
MurphTheSurf37 days ago

Ooooh, Harleigh. what a great line
pinkpantheroz7 days ago

I was a member of the NRA. But not for a while. For nearly a century after, its founding in 1871, the National Rifle Association was among America’s foremost pro-gun control organizations. It was not until 1977 when the NRA that Americans know today emerged, after libertarians who equated owning a gun with the epitome of freedom and fomented widespread distrust against government—if not armed insurrection—emerged after staging a hostile leadership coup. The coup was supported by arms retailers, wholesalers and manufacturers interested in created wider, deeper and more open markets. It is hard to believe that the NRA was committed to gun-control laws for most of the 20th century—helping to write most of the federal laws restricting gun use until the 1980s. Its motto was “Firearms Safety Education, Marksmanship Training, Shooting for Recreation,” which was displayed in its national headquarters.
MurphTheSurf37 days ago
Murph – It’s what racists-in-denial would design.
AdLib7 days ago

Murph–as Jon Stewart said the other night, the blacks in SC have to drive on roads named for confederate generals. How f****ed up is that?
glenn7 days ago

AdLib, I got into a very brief debate with a gun fanatic on line and he said that I was “arrogant, ignorant and mentally ill.” One of the best cases of projection I’ve encountered. When you listen to the names they call you, you get a terrific description of what they are.
kesmarn7 days ago

Ad, it’s a disease like alcoholism. One is too many, plenty aare not enough
pinkpantheroz7 days ago

Great analogy, PPO.
kesmarn7 days ago

Well said, PPO!
glenn7 days ago

PPO I read it on one of those civil war factoids on a civil war site. LOL I did not know that slavery was NOT the main issue of the civil war like I was taught in school back in the day.
Harleigh7 days ago

BRB, grabbing a coffe
pinkpantheroz7 days ago

Nikki Haley, the female governor of SC, has been crying crocodile tears for two days…expressing her sorrow and sympathy but saying she has no idea how this happened and calling for solidarity in the face of the tragedy but without any call for dealing with the cause of the suffering….
MurphTheSurf37 days ago

And she still refuses to take down that damned Confederate flag too, Murph.
kesmarn7 days ago
Kes – Yep, it’s the nutjob brand of therapy, projecting all the horrible traits they have on those who oppose their racism.
AdLib7 days ago

Harleigh–I am so sick of the gop re-writing history.The civil war was “about states’ rights”. Bull! If you read any of the papers published during the Civil War it was about the 1% being allowed to own slaves, and to assert their “superiority” over the “negro”.
glenn7 days ago

Kes, yep….she thinks they fixed the problem years ago.
MurphTheSurf37 days ago

She should change her name to Cleopatra. Queen of Denial.
kesmarn7 days ago

She doesn’t even acknowledge her own roots. Like “Bobby” Jindal.
kesmarn7 days ago

I agree glenn. the same site also claim Moses was part of the writing of the constatwoshun not Jefferson. lol
Harleigh7 days ago

Murph and Kes–saw a small piece of an interview with lindsey graham who says that those sites that Murph mentioned are the result of “compromise”, so that everyone gets to honor their heritage. Such bullshit!
glenn7 days ago

Glenn…precisely.
MurphTheSurf37 days ago

That’s exactly the word for it, glenn. Then we have Perry in TX calling it an “accident.” What? The gun “accidentally” went off and killed 9 people?
kesmarn7 days ago

And he then proceeded to blame it on “prescription drugs.” Is HE on drugs?
kesmarn7 days ago

darndest suicide I ever heared of!-Prick Perry
Harleigh7 days ago
glenn – So in Germany, there should be memorials to the Holocaust and Hitler?
AdLib7 days ago

Kes–yes, another responsible gun owner “accidentally” discharging his firearm where black people just happened to be in the way. And goddamned (and I don’t use that word lightly) foxsocallednews calling the massacre an “attack on Christianity”.
glenn7 days ago

You shouldn’t blame all the nazi’s because of a few bad apples! LMAO
Harleigh7 days ago

Ad–if you follow the “logic” of these deranged southerners, yes.
glenn7 days ago

Oooohh… that REALLY galled me, glenn. The murderer ANNOUNCES that it’s about race, and they decide to change his motive?
kesmarn7 days ago

Ad….you comparison between Nazi Germany and the Confederate South works when looked at with historical objectivity BUT unlike Nazi Germany, the Confederacy was never fully condemned by the North and certainly not by the South. Germans as a whole condemned the Nazi era.
MurphTheSurf37 days ago

Hitler didn’t have anything against Jews. He was just taking the wrong drugs.
kesmarn7 days ago

Bush denied knowing the shooters announced motive.
Harleigh7 days ago

Kes–right. And as someone pointed out, the shooter had to pass many churches on his way to Mother Emmanuel, but he just chose that one–had nothing to do with race! As I said goddamn those fuckers!
glenn7 days ago

If he didn’t know that, Harl, he just disqualified himself for leadership.
kesmarn7 days ago

Preach it, SISTAH glenn!
kesmarn7 days ago

Bush also stood up for josh duggar. fucking moron
Harleigh7 days ago

Harleigh–and jeb is a cowardly prick. Why can’t he just come out and condemn this shooter? Say he was a deranged individual who had no business having a gun?
glenn7 days ago
Murph – Yes, that was a compromise the Union made that has terrible reverberations today. Not branding the Confederacy’s defense of slavery as wrong and condemning it left the door open for the rebirth of it during Reconstruction and what goes on today with the worship of slave days.
AdLib7 days ago

glenn, the problem is he isn’t deranged, just a bigoted cretin who coldly planned to foment a civil war.
pinkpantheroz7 days ago

Ad Lib- you nailed it.
MurphTheSurf37 days ago

And then pop culture like “Birth of a Nation” and “Gone With the Wind” reinforced the lies.
kesmarn7 days ago

ah yes… the happy slave days….
Harleigh7 days ago

Right, when they just sat around eating watermelon and playing the banjo…
kesmarn7 days ago

at least Roots was more real about it.
Harleigh7 days ago

And then there’s “12 Years a Slave.”
kesmarn7 days ago

Deathly silence from Trump. so far, thank God!
pinkpantheroz7 days ago
Kes – Yes, that glamorization of the Confederacy…fair to call it propaganda, has done a lot of harm. I don’t believe in censorship, just pointing at what’s hurt the nation.
AdLib7 days ago

and singing hymns to jebus…
Harleigh7 days ago

Ad and Murph–it just makes my blood boil that the winners of the Civil War–the North–were compassionate and practical to the losers of the Civil War–the south. And the south then uses that against the north! I know there were many political reasons besides compassion for the North’s lack of condemnation, but southerners have used that to their advamtage ever since. I say we stop giving them anything, and tell them to stop worshipping at the confederate flag!
glenn7 days ago

PPO–you’re right. I stand corrected. He is a bigoted cretin!
glenn7 days ago

Right, AdLib. People should be able to make whatever films they feel they need to. But they need to be put in context.
kesmarn7 days ago

Glenn….the “confederacy” is now the GOP base…..and they are major takers.
MurphTheSurf37 days ago

baggers are white welfare
Harleigh7 days ago

There are days when I wonder what would have happened if the Civil War had never been fought… Would slavery have ended in a way that didn’t leave the Confederate feeling like virtuous martyrs?
kesmarn7 days ago

Murph–You got it. But no matter how many times it’s pointed out that they are the takers, it’s the “liberals” who have caused all the problems.
glenn7 days ago

Why isn’t the rest of the USA shaking in their boots about what might happen if the baggers get the Presidency?
pinkpantheroz7 days ago
As Harleigh mentioned above, that “smarter” Bush brother Jeb quickly jumped on the, “We don’t know what the reason for the attack was.” Pandering to racists? Really? In this day and age and he expects to get the minority vote if he runs in the GE? He should not be allowed to run away from this.
AdLib7 days ago

Palin – Bachmann 2016 for jebus!
Harleigh7 days ago

PPO- the idiot voter dominates our political process….and then there are the non voters.
MurphTheSurf37 days ago

PPO–that’s the question of this century, as far as I’m concerned. Why do these people think it’s okay to shoot fellow American citizens just because they have a different skin color?
glenn7 days ago

Or a different religion? Or because girls won’t date them?
kesmarn7 days ago

It would befine with me if they shot Nimrata and Piyush.
Harleigh7 days ago

Sadly, Murph, you’re right, but why are the 1% backing the fuckers?
pinkpantheroz7 days ago

Harleigh–the ticket this election cycle is Walker-Rubio. Or Rubio-Walker, dontcha know? Let’s hear it for the 1%!
glenn7 days ago

LOL
Harleigh7 days ago

Because the fuckers support things like the Keystone pipeline, no taxes on the rich and eliminating SS and food stamps, PPO.
kesmarn7 days ago

The one percent own the fuckers and as long as they make the legislation they want, tactics like these work those politicians.
MurphTheSurf37 days ago
glenn – Because the whole RW Propaganda machine p[ounds every day on how black people are the enemy, inferior, criminals, rapists, drug addicts, murderers. You can draw a straight line through that to the police shootings of black people. They’re all terrorists.
AdLib7 days ago

Kes–yup–that too. I’m white and right, no matter what the question is!
glenn7 days ago

Kes…SS and food stamps are all that are keeping the sheep alive to vote!
pinkpantheroz7 days ago

And it’s amazing how many of them still vote GOP, PPO…
kesmarn7 days ago

and gubmint cheese too!
Harleigh7 days ago

Ad–oh, I know why. I just don’t understand why the rw propaganda machine gets away with it.
glenn7 days ago
PPO – And if the Repubs had their way, they’d be laughing at their base as they died of starvation.
AdLib7 days ago

I think they pretty much do already, AdLib…
kesmarn7 days ago

yep
Harleigh7 days ago

Ad, isn’t his just another version of slavery? Work for us for nothing!
pinkpantheroz7 days ago

Ad–die of starvation or some horrible disease because the insurance companies wouldn’t insure them due to a pre-existing condition. And it would be all Obama’s fault for passing a “flawed law”.
glenn7 days ago

BRB
glenn7 days ago

Now the GAO has just announced that if Obamacare is repealed 24,000,000 will lose coverage and the deficit will go UP.
kesmarn7 days ago

De world is in a state of chassis!
pinkpantheroz7 days ago

kes I also read that 2/3 on obamacare are white repubs and will become uninsured.
Harleigh7 days ago

You have to wonder why the GOP would still campaign on repealing Obamacare, dontcha?
kesmarn7 days ago

in red states!!!! lolololol
Harleigh7 days ago

You all know I live in Missouri. In rural Missouri. We have a small but very well rooted black community in my county in one part of it. They are the descendents of slaves. Farmers and craftsman – all of them….lower middle to middle class. The center of their community is a Missionary Baptist Church with a cemetary that has former slaves buried in it. One of elders in that church told me yesterday that they have had two of their members at the door with shotguns for years. How many? Since Obama..when the entire tone changed here in Mo.
MurphTheSurf37 days ago
Can Roberts really be willing to go down in history as his court directly killing Americans and stripping millions of health care?
AdLib7 days ago

Oh, Murph. How could it come to that? Sad.
pinkpantheroz7 days ago

Murph, that is really sad… Church members at the door with shotguns.
kesmarn7 days ago

Murph I sell medicare supplements and MO is one of the higest rate states especially St Louis.
Harleigh7 days ago

This SCOTUS will go down in history as one of the most toxic to the AMerican people in history.
pinkpantheroz7 days ago
PPO – That’s brilliant, the base of the GOP which celebrates the Confederacy and the days of slavery, are ironically the slaves of their modern day party.
AdLib7 days ago

Harleigh….why do you think that is so.
MurphTheSurf37 days ago

It’s been awful. But if the GOP get in in 2016 — it’s about to be a much worse SCOTUS. PPO.
kesmarn7 days ago

Scalia already declared there is no more racism. stupid whoop. lol
Harleigh7 days ago

LOL, healeigh! I’d forgotten that!
pinkpantheroz7 days ago
Can there be any greater racism than insisting it doesn’t exist anymore?
AdLib7 days ago

Sorry, Harleigh!
pinkpantheroz7 days ago

Where does Scalia keep his Guide Dog?
pinkpantheroz7 days ago

I wish his guide dog would write his opinions for him, PPO.
kesmarn7 days ago

Hello Planeteers! I hope everyone is well.
Sabreen607 days ago

Hey, Sabreen! How are you?
kesmarn7 days ago

It probably does, kes! HI, Sabreen!
pinkpantheroz7 days ago

Med supps are for medicare over 65 and rates vary wildly across the US.
Harleigh7 days ago
Kes – If the GOP won the WH in 2016 and the SCOTUS gained more RW judges, it would genuinely be the beginning of the end of the US as a democracy.
AdLib7 days ago

Ad, we’re almost there anyway.
pinkpantheroz7 days ago

I think that is not in the least an overstatement, AdLib.
kesmarn7 days ago

Hey Sabreen!
glenn7 days ago

Harleigh – I have Medicare Supplemental Plan G.
Sabreen607 days ago
PPO – Our democracy is critically wounded right now but it is still salvagable if a fair SCOTUS blows up Citizens United and other RW decisions. But a newly broad RW majority SCOTUS would cement the destruction of our democracy for decades.
AdLib7 days ago

Hey kes, et al – Doing okay.
Sabreen607 days ago

Maybe forever, AdLib.
kesmarn7 days ago
Hey Sabreen!
AdLib7 days ago

This has been a tough week, Sabreen.
kesmarn7 days ago

Ad, I agree. Here’s hoping we get a Democratic POTUS and roll back the RW slant in the Court. Otherwise, the USA will be toast.
pinkpantheroz7 days ago
Kes – I fear that’s right. A plutocracy cemented in place for decades may never be able to be challenged or removed.
AdLib7 days ago

Yeah, kes. Too many of these weeks.
Sabreen607 days ago

that gives you the most benefit for the money Sabreen! Always shop for the lowest price as all ‘G’ plans are identical.
Harleigh7 days ago

BRB
pinkpantheroz7 days ago

A spokesman from the Southern Poverty Law Center said that there has been a white supremacist plot or act of violence on the average of every 5 weeks for the past five years.
kesmarn7 days ago

Harleigh – Yep. I did my homework. I chose Colonial Penn to issue the plan. I had a great agent, but I had already researched the different plans. Colonial Penn’s rates, etc. were good for this area.
Sabreen607 days ago

adlib the best you could hope for under repubes would be a plutocracy. more likely it would soon devolve into a theocracy.
Harleigh7 days ago
Kes – And the avalanche of death threats Obama has received against him, his wife and daughters are so overwhelming, he doesn’t want to see them anymore.
AdLib7 days ago

Good job sabreen! I knew I loved you for a reason!! LOL
Harleigh7 days ago

That would be beyond depressing, AdLib. To read that stuff.
kesmarn7 days ago

Kes–as our President keeps saying, we are the only so-called “civilized” nation that has these kind of acts of violence so often. I hope he continues to speak out against this and to keep pushing for legislation that will alleviate it somewhat. I don’t think we’ll ever get rid of the right wing propaganda machine, but we can at least quiet them down some.
glenn7 days ago

Pretty good article by Nancy over at Smartypants:
http://immasmartypants.blogspot.com/2015/06/the-racist-fear-youre-taking-over-our.html
Sabreen607 days ago

I think we do have to keep speaking out, glenn. But in the short run — I’m not optimistic.
kesmarn7 days ago

Harleigh – Bless your heart.
Sabreen607 days ago

Thanks for that link, Sabreen.
kesmarn7 days ago

In reference to my post a few minutes ago re. the black church in my neighborhood…forgot to mention that they are doubling their armed protection now for fear of a copy cat hit…..incase you missed the post….You all know I live in Missouri. In rural Missouri. We have a small but very well rooted black community in my county in one part of it. They are the descendents of slaves. Farmers and craftsman – all of them….lower middle to middle class. The center of their community is a Missionary Baptist Church with a cemetary that has former slaves buried in it. One of elders in that church told me yesterday that they have had two of their members at the door with shotguns for years. How many? Since Obama..when the entire tone changed here in Mo.
MurphTheSurf37 days ago

kes – You’re welcome.
Sabreen607 days ago

Murph, I pray those guards never have to use those guns, because I hate to see the way it would be spun.
kesmarn7 days ago
Murph – That is the illustration of the effects of an act of terrorism.
AdLib7 days ago

Kes, it would be spun that 2 black men went on a shooting rampage and 3 carloads og klukkers had to defend themselves!
pinkpantheroz7 days ago

kes, church thugs with guns…..
Harleigh7 days ago

That’s what I’m afraid of, PPO.
kesmarn7 days ago

I may have a different take on this terrorist act and the police brutality and murders of unarmed black people – as well as racism in general. Black folks can’t solve this problem. Good white folks will have to stand up, protest, visit their Congress Reps and those who have access to a mic have speak up and speak out.
Sabreen607 days ago

Sabreen, you’re so right. It is a white problem and needs to be fixed by whites, otherwise…. It’s all Obama’s fault!
pinkpantheroz7 days ago

True, Sabreen! And yet — if you have a GOP congressman, it’s so difficult to make him/her hear you! (I know!)
kesmarn7 days ago

Obama started the KKK right?? lol
Harleigh7 days ago
Sabreen – Not a different take at all. It will take all Americans of good will to stand up to the rampant and institutionalized racism in this country. This is not a black problem, it is an American problem.
AdLib7 days ago

Murph–I’m not sure how to reference this, and I’m not sure how it’s going to be understood, but although I abhor the thought that people in churches have to stand guard with shotguns perhaps this will bring the gun control “debte” to a head. As many people have pointed out lately, we only got some gun laws passed when ronnieraygun was president because the black panthers started arming themselves, and the white people got scared because blacks were defending themselves with actual weapons!
glenn7 days ago

Where are the howls of outrage from the Evangelicals and the profit-hungry megachurches? Deathly silence.
pinkpantheroz7 days ago

PPO – President Obama will not be in office forever. Racists can blame him all they want, but to me that’s not really an issue at this point. People on the far left and far right blame him for everything anyway.
Sabreen607 days ago

Sabreen–I agree. We white folks are going to have to work harder to make our voices heard.
glenn7 days ago

I was being ironic, sab.
pinkpantheroz7 days ago

especially after he caused that BP oil spill
Harleigh7 days ago
PPO – Who would honestly expect the megachurches to express Christian morals?
AdLib7 days ago

Good point, ad!
pinkpantheroz7 days ago

I call and send messages to my GOP Rep. and just get canned email with meaningless bland babble. Then he does nothing about these problems. Gotta love gerrymandering.
kesmarn7 days ago

kes – I hear you. But if your Rep won’t list then talk to the Pelosi or Reid. They don’t just represent their home towns and states. They are leaders.
Sabreen607 days ago

I do tend to go to Sherrod Brown (D Ohio) and Marcy Kaptur as well. At least they listen.
kesmarn7 days ago

Matbe we just need Bob Newhart to get up and say “STOP IT! JUST STOP IT!”
pinkpantheroz7 days ago

Kes–I have the same reaction from my gop reps. I wrote to them about how I support Obamacare, and I got a canned response about how bad Obamacare is. Like he never read my letter–or if he did, he didn’t address any of my concerns.
glenn7 days ago
The RW is doing what they always do, trying to move the focus from the racist motivation of this terrorist and shift it to blaming the victims for not having guns to defend themselves. Of course, it’s total bullshit. No matter how many people are armed, no one can stop a nutjob who pulls a gun and fires first. It’s so absurd and yet rarely challenged.
AdLib7 days ago

My rep is dem Lois frankel who got elected in a new district area that was formerly in Debbie Schults district. they kinda listen
Harleigh7 days ago

glenn, I’ve had the same thing happen. I’ll get a communication that isn’t even related to what I wrote about!
kesmarn7 days ago

So do I kes. I robo emails back. And these are from Democrats. This may have go to the streets. People protested the Vietnam in the 10’s of thousands. So I know if the issue is important enough people will turn out. The question is just how important is racism to the average white person in this country.
Sabreen607 days ago

Kes–exactly! They don’t want to hear our voices; only their own echo chamber.
glenn7 days ago

My fingers aren’t working – as usual.
Sabreen607 days ago

glenn, if it doesn’t emanate from the GOP Twilight Zone, they don’t want to know.
pinkpantheroz7 days ago

PPO–ain’t that the truth!
glenn7 days ago

I wonder if there’s a way to hit them economically. Boycott states that fly the Confederate flag or suppress the vote? The threat of an economic boycott brought the State of IN to its knees when they were going the homophobic route.
kesmarn7 days ago
And the RW shouldn’t be allowed to succeed every time at this. The focus needs to stay on the threat of racism to America and Americans.
AdLib7 days ago

Sab…you are correct about good white folks being the key but that brings another kind of danger in my neck of the woods…..the term n-lovers still has power here and seemingly it has more today than it did 6 years ago.
MurphTheSurf37 days ago

kes – There’s a Youtube video where Nikkie Haley is saying that the CEO’s don’t mind that the Confederate rag flies over the State Capitol.
Sabreen607 days ago
Kes – Looks like the Repubs may beat us to that if their challenge of the ACA wins. Most Republican states will be hammered by that.
AdLib7 days ago

We need more gay caused tornadoes in bagger states and the withhold soshalist FEMA funds….
Harleigh7 days ago

Maybe, kes, declare the flying of a Confederate flag a federal hate crime and hold any fed. subsisies, except for Obamacare until ti ceases.
pinkpantheroz7 days ago

That’s what I’m talking about, Sabreen! Boycott whatever those companies are producing.
kesmarn7 days ago

Murph – I think you have determine what can and cannot be done where you live.
Sabreen607 days ago

Folks, I love this discussion, but I just can’t hold my head up any more. So I have to say “goodnight”. Take care everyone.
glenn7 days ago

Goodnight, glenn. yes, a great debate
pinkpantheroz7 days ago

G’night, glenn. Have a great weekend!
kesmarn7 days ago

Good night glenn. Take care and get some sleep.
Sabreen607 days ago
Night glenn!
AdLib7 days ago

Nite glenn… i gotta go too, nite folks
Harleigh7 days ago

G’night, Harl!
kesmarn7 days ago
Night Harleigh!
AdLib7 days ago

Good night Harleigh
Sabreen607 days ago

Glenn….a deputy sheriff I know has addressed the same issue you are….he has been asked by whites why “those people” are allowed to have guns. Perhaps your spin is an accurate one.
MurphTheSurf37 days ago

Sabreen…you are quite correct in that.
MurphTheSurf37 days ago
Murph – Do they ask why them black people don’t have chains on too?
AdLib7 days ago

Harleigh, I don’t know if you saw that 4 people in Indonesia were blamed by animists for an earthquake because they posed naked on top of a ‘sacred’ Mountain? Well, we can n ow call those GOPTP idiots pagans for their belief that gays cause floods!
pinkpantheroz7 days ago

Kes….the economic boycott is what moved the flag from the capitol dome to the grounds in a memorial.
MurphTheSurf37 days ago

Maybe we’ll eventually get rid of it altogether, Murph!
kesmarn7 days ago

Ad….racism has come out of hiding…so that is not far below the surface.
MurphTheSurf37 days ago

Well, folks, I’d better call it a day too. I have to get organized tomorrow to do some Father’s Day cooking. Have a great weekend, all!
kesmarn7 days ago
Murph – Did you ask them why they oppose the 2nd Amendment?
AdLib7 days ago

Kes….perhaps but the leadership there has gotten very good at ducking and covering.
MurphTheSurf37 days ago
Cool, have a great weekend and Father’s Day Kes!
AdLib7 days ago

Ad…..you know the answer….they are law abiding….those others are not.
MurphTheSurf37 days ago

Good night Kes. That’s right. Happy Father’s Day to all the fathers.
Sabreen607 days ago
Murph – So they support criminal backround checks? Whoops!
AdLib7 days ago

Ad, of course not…..consistency is not required.
MurphTheSurf37 days ago
Murph – My point of course is that they are not only racist but blatant hypocrites even on the 2nd Amendment which they swear they bow down to.
AdLib7 days ago

On the mark, Ad.
MurphTheSurf37 days ago
And they don’t care, racism is self-justifying of any terrible action.
AdLib7 days ago

Well I’m yawning. I had a really busy week that envolved a lot of driving and being outside is this awful heat here in Maryland. I think I’ll watch Perry Mason. I know – hubby can’t believe I watch it either. Nite y’all.
Sabreen607 days ago
Perry Mason? How cool! You appreciate justice, that’s why. Enjoy Sabreen and have a great weekend!
AdLib7 days ago

G’night, Sabreen, Kes
pinkpantheroz7 days ago

Good night Sab. And a belated fare thee well to the rest of the gang.
MurphTheSurf37 days ago
I don’t know that the country will ever be willing to deal with the issue of racism until or unless something hugely terrible and violent happens, dwarfing the outrageous violence already occurring.
AdLib7 days ago

Are we wrapping up? It’s been a good chat tonight. Have a great Father’s day, all you Dads.
pinkpantheroz7 days ago

Well, it looks like the carpet is rolling up. Goodnight PPO and Ad Lib.
MurphTheSurf37 days ago

‘night, Murph.
pinkpantheroz7 days ago

Cheerio, Ad, till next week.
pinkpantheroz7 days ago
Night PPO and Murph! A happy Father’s Day to all! Fathers and those who have them…which should cover most everyone.
AdLib7 days ago

Ad, same to you and yours.
MurphTheSurf37 days ago