Vox Populi – 4-10-2015

An early howdy do!

Ferguson was very interesting last week. Part of the GOTV effort…..

Twice the turnout as in 2014 midterms but still just about 30 percent. Apathy abounds. Still they got half the council black.

The GOTV effort was thwarted at every turn mostly by black leaders who labeled it a useless game that played into the white agenda.

Oh I am not dissatisfied but I am also not pleased. They kept us at a distance until it became clear that we old guard activists were needed.

How is the drought in your piece of LA

I do hope you are correct…..the power of black opportunists to derail the good efforts of real leaders is very signficant. It does not serve their interests to have elections go well.

Is the agri lobby the problem? What happens if there is a slash? Who gets hurt by it…..key crops, migrant workers?

The opportunists tapped into a large number of people who will not register and therefore will not vote who regard elections as a game that they always lose. The new message from them is that the two new council members are plants because both are educated professionals.

What does your “reformer” mayor have to say about that? Or is he in on it?

Hi KT

Hey peeps, wazzzzzup?

Hey Murph, how goes it?

KT, only two of us before you appeared…..

Ah, the night is young!

Hey Ad, How have you been?

I am ok Kilgore….I was sharing my Ferguson experience last week with Ad Lib….if you are interested take a gander further up stream.

Hi Glenn…..

I must confess, that I’ve reached a certain saturation point. I tend to think that not much has changed, in the long run. I know that’s a bit skeptical, but here I am.

KT- I have the same feeling….in fact I have a sense that we are sliding backwards.

Hey glenn! I hope all is well in the land of the Pats.

Hello PPO

Hi, Murph, KT et al.

Hiya ad.

I was extremely saddened by the murder of yet another black man. I was, however, glad to see that his killer has been charged with murder. It was no doubt, murder.

Hey PPO! Good to “see ya.”

Ad…I do hope your positive thinking is prophetic…..two ministers there who I have gotten to know are very worried….one thinks the opportunists leaders are in the pay of realtors who want the whole area to flip.

Murph, who would want to buy?

Good evening, all. I was reading about Murph’s experiences in Ferguson re the elections. KT, “land of the pats”? How is everyone tonight?

KT….and late today another assault by a bunch of pissed off cops on a guy running from them caught by a helicopter followingthe chase.

Glenn, are you kidding? The national champions of American football! The Pats!

Ad LIb….beyond your mayor, where does the governor stand on this.

Yes, KT, tragic. But perhaps the fact that cameras are now everywhere, may slow down the incidence oof ‘He went for my gun’ defences.

KT…..first clear folks out and then make way for development….in this case an expanding university and an industrial park.

KT–but I live in GA, land of the Falcons.

You poor thing, glenn!

Murph–but why can’t you have an expanding university and an industrial park now?

This turd was actually caught on camera taking the taser that was dropped initially and dropping it off at the body, some 30 feet away. He was trying to “plant,” evidence and got caught on camera. Thank goodness for personal cameras, owned by the general public.

PPO–I know, “sigh”. I also have to live in a state with republicans controlling everything!

OOps. glenn, I confused you with sillylittleme. My bad.

KT Landlocked by Housing, particularly subsidized housing.

Murph, much like “subsidized prisons.”

KT–no problem. I get confused often, too.

Carpet Baggers?

The two new council members are an attorney/professor; and a business executive……both excellent….weshall see.

Hi Harleight

hey folks

Kt, what gets me is that the ‘escapee’ was no Usain Bolt and could have been caught at a gentle trot. but no, he had to empty his magazine.

KT–but despite the turd’s trying to plant evidence, geraldo rivera says that the cop’s videotape will exonerate the cop.

KT…the subsidized housing is affordable housing for the poor.

Hey Harley, you old reprobate? How goes it?

Murph, owned by whom?

It’s still going1 LOL

BRB

Hey Harleigh–I was in FL last week visiting relatives. Sure did love the weather! Although it’s finally getting warm here.

KT….the apartmet buldings are mostly privately owned with rent subsidies….but the owners cannot sell without government approval thus the need to empty the area.

It’s been great weather for months in south floriduh!

Hey Ad–missed you all the past two weeks, but I was traveling.

Ad…I like Brown but his positon on this has struck me as bizarre….I though that I might have misunderstood it but you have verified this.

I see, Murph.

Harleigh–yup–that’s about the only thing I miss about Florida–the weather.

i know the bottlers of water are making a killing in California.

Good evening!

ad – no challenger. nobody there.

Ad–Will Hillary (is it one “l” or two) have any serious challengers? What do you think?

Ad, I don’t think it’s a foregone conclusion that Hillary will get the nom, but it is very likely. Who would be a serious challenge?

Evening, Bealtex. How are you?

Hey B! What’s up?

Ad, do you recall the Lysistratra Ladies from my campaigning experience who revolted against their GOP husbands?

Hey b

Hi Beatlex ….

Doin’ fine folks!

Ad–thanks.

Murph, that should happen with the GOPer wives.

They are “biblically restrained.”

KT….it did….they worked for Obama because they were sick of anti-women GOP BS here.

That’s great, that sentiment should spread.

Evening everyone! Hope you’re all OK and doing well!

Hey CL! How’s the good fight going?

If it’s the spouse of a GOP congressperson the they are also a Piece of Shit by marriage.

Ad–seriously? Biden will run? Read somewhere today that he took a baby’s pacifier. I think he’s getting just a little bizarre, lately.

Ad Lib The Leader of the Lysistrata Ladies had lunch with me earlier this week and she is going to support Hillary. In fact she is organizing for her. She did a great job convincing me I should do the same.

Hi KT – haven’t seen you in a long time! Hope you’re OK. The fight is what the fight is. Sigh.

hey cl

SCOOP!!!!! Hillary is running! Aust. TV announced she will declare via social media this weekend. How’s that for the worst-kept secret!

Harleigh, manure by marriage?

Ad,I hope you are right,she needs to be seriously challenged! NO coronation!

Murph – that is SUPERB news!

Evening CL. Hope you’re well, also.

Hi glenn – lovely to see you. How are you there in GA?

Hi Choice….yes I am Ready for Hillary….good Lord!

Hi Harleigh! Great to see you!

KT guano! LOL

Murph–I remember a few weeks back when you were unsure about campaigning so early for Hillary. So, have you made up your mind?

There are definitely more progressive people than Hillary in the democratic party. But do they have the same amount of political clout? Clout is everything in American politics.

CL–doing well; weather is warming up, so I’m a happy camper.

Hey AdLib – how are you? STILL have not heard from our mutual friend. Very annoyed I must say.

Hi PPO – how’s life ‘down under’?

KT–clout and money. And Hillary will be able to raise gobs of money from all I have read.

Harleigh, that would explain the batshit crazy!

KT – that’s observably accurate. Glenn – yup. Clout and money. I keep hearing HRC has allied with Schumer on Iran, then I hear she hasn’t. Anyone know?

Glenn….I still have many Hillary doubts….but people i trust like you and Choice and Ad Lib are on board….and when a lifetime GOP woman here in my state walked me through why she and her friends believe it is time for a woman president and that Hillary is the person to do that….well…I put it all together….SO I am Ready for Hillary.

Anyone have an opinion on Lincoln Chaffee? I slightly knew his father who was a very good guy, but I understand Lincoln is a lightweight though he’s opposing HRC on her Iraq war vote and her ties to Wall Street.

hillary and Bill already have gobs of money, but they will easily get more in contributions. One good thing about Citizens United is that both parties can gain from it. It still sucks though because it eliminates to average people.

Murph–good on ya! As we have all stated before, Hillary has her problems, but she is still head and shoulders above anyone the repubs have out there.

Ad Lib and Choice…..Glenn….I still have many Hillary doubts….but people i trust like you and Glenn are on board….and when a lifetime GOP woman here in my state walked me through why she and her friends believe it is time for a woman president and that Hillary is the person to do that….well…I put it all together….SO I am Ready for Hillary.

Murph – I’m NOT on board with Hillary. Yet. If she is the nom, then sure.

Choice….so why was my news Great?

Murph – I see your point – if she can win over GOP women, that’s HUGE. Murph – it was the Lysistrata Ladies coming into the tent. HUGE!

KT I honestly can’t fathom the batshit crazies starting with Palin and Bachmann back in 2007. It is beyond embarrassing. 8 years later and these really off the wall whackdoodles are whackin off BS everywhere.

THIS is what this Canadian sees my American friends. If Hillary wins the Presidency,she will face THE SAME situation the President is in now if the R’s retain both houses.Those are the races that really matter

Choice…I like Lincoln a lot but he is a lightweight.

Hey CL, same as it ever was. Keep on keepin on. I’m doing well, just a bit more contemplative about life in general than I normally am.

AdLib – if I could answer that one question, “what’s wrong with people” I’d make a fortune as a guru. I don’t know – did not stop her from asking me to get on HER issues again. Grrrrr.

Murph – that’s my understanding of Chaffee, yes.

KT – are you in OH or MA?

Well Harleigh, their clones have risen. Rand Paul, Ted Cruz and the ever constant religious fanatics like Huckabee.

Good morning, afternoon, evening Planeteers!

Hi, CL, Going OK just now. Heading into Fall our Hemisphere.

AdLib – I’m there with you. I don’t trust her fully at all.

Beatle….your reading is correct….but the Dems should win back the Senate, but the House is out reach until post 2020 and only then if the State Houses have returned to some balance.

Hey Sabreen!!! Lovely to see you!

hi, Sabreen!

Right now CL, I’m in Ohio. I’ll probably go back to Mass for a few months, soon. It seems I have two homes now.

hey sabreen

Murph,what makes you sure they will win back the senate?

Murph – there is a huge movement to do voter registration in gerrymandered states – might help win the house before 2020.

Ad Lib and Choice…..I do not see a viable Progressive alternative…..do you?

Het Lady, good to see ya. How have you been? Sabreen?

Beatlex–for sure Hilllary will face the same thing PBO faces now. I do have hope that Dems will be swept back into Congress in 2016 because it will be a presidential election and more people turn out. So…there is that. It may be the same situation as PBO. First two years with Dems, then the rest of the time with the batshit crazies.

KT – OMG – you’re one of those people with a summer home then??? Maybe not JUST like the Rockefellers, but in the ballpark! LOL!

Murph – no. I don’t see a viable progressive.

Beatle…..the GOP will have to defend many more seats this time around and in general elections where the Dems win the WH they take the Senate…..it is the election cycle based on state political makeup.

KT – O

Hi Sabreen!

I honestly thought 2012 cycle had the limit on bizarre whackdoodle candidates, This cycle is already fucking hysterical and it’s only 2015.

KT – Oops. Hit the enter key. I’m fine. I’ve missed you!

Murph – what I just cannot tolerate is the number of people who are OK with the wackadoodles in Congress. Don’t they SEE the problems?

Hardly CL. I go to help out the mom. She owns a two bedroom ranch, in a working class (small and somewhat secluded neighborhood) on the Cape. The rich need the workers, even on the Cape!

Choice….the Dems HAVE TO begin reeducating the base…..we cannot beat the GOP in the money game so we need to replace the unions with a cadre of bright and informed people who drive the vote.

KT – I know that. I’m poking fun, but it IS nice you can be in MA or OH. I realize you’re not living large in either place!

CL–according to the wackadoodles who vote for the congressional wackadoodles, the Dems are the problem.

in Ohio, I live in an old motel that has been converted into studio apartments.

glenn – oh sure. Dems are the problem cutting everything the voting wackadoodles want, of course.

Thanks CL. I just wanted to clarify for others here, but they probably know me by now.

KT – I knew you had a studio in OH. Nice to be able to get out a bit then!

Oh, it sure is CL. Nobody can exclude the natural beauty of the Cape. That is nature’s beauty. Ohio has it’s own, but not as all encompassing.

LMAO the red states get the most welfare stuff for poor white people!! When told it would be cut and they were losing benefits they blamed the tax and spend dems!! ROTF

KT – nothing prettier than New England and especially the Cape, yes.

BRB

On the bright side people.The R’s continue to be their usual tone deafness panderers.

Harleigh – this is absurdness times over. It’s the Dems’ fault they don’t point fingers at the REAL culprits for the harm done to people.

The Cape has such a rareified natural beauty. Many places do, but I think the Cape has it’s own combination.

AdLib – I live in infinite hope you are correct. I don’t think people are THAT stupid, but hey…

AdLib – I’m rooting for Cruz to be the GOP nom precisely to prevent anyone else seriously challenging the Dem.

AdLib – I hope you’re right. But when I look at suppression tactics, I just hope Democrats will do whatever is necessary to vote. The other thing I worry about are the voting machines.

CL–I live in a republican state, and according to most of the comments that I read in the local paper, that is exactly the problem. The Dems won’t let the poor, persecuted christians discriminate; etc. These people are just blinded by hatred. It’s unexplainable, IMO. Even when a columnist makes rational, factual arguments, they never answer the points; they just come up with their debunked talking points, or make up even more bizarre comments.

What a joke Rand Paul is proving himself to be. The king of avoidance interview.

CL I just kinda duct tape my jaw to keep it from hitting the tile floor whenever I watch some of these ridiculous interviews of real rural tbag people and not the fake ones like Duck Dynasty. holy shit.

I think the GOP is in for a real ass whoopin in 2016. They may have revelled in the midterm victories, but the persidential election is a whole different matter. The GOPers just can’t stop themselves from revealing their crazy. People are taking notice.

AdLib – I think those Victorian values are over, and yes, if Dems actually VOTE, they won’t win. KT – Rand Paul is beyond amazing in his perfidy!!!

Murph,THX,I hope it happens,but even then,the house fu++s everything up!

Does anyone think Rand Paul will even make it to the primary? Seems he steps on his crank every day. He walked out of an interview with the Guardian today. Rand “walkabout” Paul.

Beatlex _ We might even throw those suckers out. But it will take a concerted effort from the Dems, and I’m not sure they’re up to it. Bring back Howard Dean!!!

AdLib – It’s not just Republicans. Schumer, Booker, Cardin and of course the sponsors of both bills are on the side of Boehner, the RWNJs and Netanyahu. We’ve had a campaign on Twitter to flood these Dems with our email, tweets and calls.

What a great word to describe Paul. He is a spolied little punk with a real sense of grandeur. A very false sense of grandeur.

glenn – I’d be surprised if Rand gets anywhere.

Sabreen – I have no idea if Schumer and Booker even notice. but they’d BETTER.

Rand wants to dad, but better. Just like that little shit W.

Wants to BE dad.

KT – I think Rand is seriously mentally ill.

I am back. HI SABREEN

KT – I don’t think Ron Paul’s wrapped too tight either.

Ad–the worry, I think, is legislators trying to change how the electoral college votes are counted in states. This is the big issue coming up, IMO, and I hope the press will cover it. I know Rachel Maddow is on it, but haven’t heard much from the “mainsream” press about it.

Hi everybody!

Hey Funk, how are you?

He suffers under some very grand delusions, for sure. He can’t deal with the media at all, even when they are being mild in their questioning. He’ll never be able to handle the really tough questions that a presidential candidate is eventually confronted with.

AdLib – that’s why on Twitter I press the point – if you know someone needing ID, take them, pay for it if you must, register them, then drive them to the polls. If each of us did that for one or two others, we’d have no problems.

cl so if he is ill then how far over the fuckin edge is somebody like Carson or Cruz. holy shit!

Hello Funk

Rand Paul is dagerous, he has the 16-year old libertarian vote locked up

CL – I think Schumer noticed. The day after Twitter bombed him, his “aide” made a statement about how good the bill is and how it will strengthen the Iran deal. Of course, it was bullshit, but he needed to say something. MoveOn, Credo and several Democratic organizations are fighting these backstabbers.

Hi Murph. How’s things?

Harleigh – I did not say I thought the others were sane!!! We have a boatload of deeply troubled candidates on the GOP side!

Hiya Funk!

Hi Murph!

Hey kitty. How’s the Old Line State today?

Sabreen – that’s good to hear. I’m not a wild fan of MoveOn, but this is a very good campaign against Schumer’s treachery.

CL you are really being polite about that lineup! LOL

KT–Speaking of not being able to handle media questions; did you all see where a KG teacher told Christie the other day that if he wants to run for President he’d better tone down the bully act? Loved it!

AdLib – I’ve met Schumer on choice issues (he’s very good there) and STILL thought you were spot on about him.

Ted Cruz is just taking the place of Rick Santorum. Cruz will suffer the same fate. He is just too religiously fanatical and he doesn’t realize that that sort of religious fanaticism won’t go over for the young voter. His supporters are a dying breed, in their late stages of life.

Harleigh – I try to be polite. I TRY….

Funk – How did you know that nickname. You ARE impressive

Funk….good….I filled Ad Lib in on Ferguson at the start….and I had a meeting earlier this week with the leader of the Lysistrata Ladies (recall them in 2012, a group of GOP women tired of the GOP who worked with me on the election and were inspired by Lysistrata) – well she (and with a few others ) has convinced me to get Ready for Hillary.d

KT – I think it’s fascinating that Cruz’s idea of “the base” actually is the GOP fringe. The base is not that wacko for EVEN the GOP.

KT–Ted Cruz says fact checkers are “yellow journalists”.

FUNK!!!! How are you?

glenn – I just saw that about fact checkers. Still doubled over laughing!!!

Sabreen, my mom lives in Maryland. I’m out there every once in a while

Hi Choice! Long time baby.

Rands first 3 interviews have exposed him as a very thin skinned person.Doesn’t sound like Presidential material,period.

Awww, they’re adorable!

AdLib!!! That is TOO FUNNY!

You all know how to make a Paultini? Its an interesting drink.

Ha! That’s a good point CL. I think that’s why Santorum didn’t go any further than he did. The GOP just refuses, in general, that their amassed ideology is being left behind by a natural, social evolution.

1 oz of the finest bitters

funk – I’ll bit – how do you make a Paultini

2 oz of the finest Kentucky Bourbon

A splash of the finest brandy

1 gallon of battery acid

It really tastes good if you ignore the battery acid.

Paul and Christie as a ticket….both thin skinned and mean.

funk!!!

CL – Nor am I. But I’m glad to see some of these Democratic organizations taking a stand. Never before has a President been denied the right to negotiate foreign policy. These backstabbers are going to screw everything up. You’ve got the majority of foreign policy wonks saying this Iran deal is a good deal. So why are these dudes siding with Netanyahu?

AdLib – why choose? Both are downhome NUTS!

Funk–but doesn’t a Paultini run out the door when you spill it?

Ad, Kansas for sure.

A Paultini is made with a dose of inferiority, garnished with a sense of being better than dad, and a splash of incompetency.

Funk….did you see my post to you here.

Sabreen – I think people who call out the loyalty to Israel over the USA are spot ON.

Oh god Glenn, don’t spill it, you’ll eat a hole in your floor…

glenn – a Paultini if imbibed burns your guts out.

KT–good one.

Just now Murph. Really? You in?

Funk–OMG, if it eats a hole in your floor, then better not drink it. I think I’ll stay on the “Obama kool-aid” as the cons say.

Ah ha, Funk, been holding out on me. And here I’ve been waiting for us to get together.

Choice, that too. It’s really just best to look at it.

The Paultini doesn’t help you feel better, or taste good. It just leaves you screaming in the darkness.

funk – the green, gaseous glow of a Paultini is awesome to behold!

Kansas may just be in a class of their own.

AdLib – Kansas is about to take the national lead in crazy.

Sabreen, I’m game. I should be out there this summer/fall-ish to give the lady a visit. Where in MD are you?

funk – I’m coming your way in later July. Let’s coordinate if we can FINALLY.

Choice, it really is delicious if you just ignore the acid. Everyone will tell you that

Floriduh has the most crazy. of anywhere

Funk….people in my life who I value are and I see no altenative. I want Molloy and Sanders and Chafee in the race for debate and issue widening but they will not be able to keep up with her….so I am in, not enthusiastic but committed.

Caution, a Pultini may leave you baying at the moon and wearing pubic hair on your head.

funk – the first steps in the recipe were fine. Yup. Battery acid not so much.

Don’t get my hopes up!!

Brownback is a real nutcase.

AdLib – what can you expect from a state led by the man who anointed Rick Perry as God’s chosen for President in 2012?

Sabreen–saw a headline today–didn’t have time to read the article–by Cenk Unygar (sp?) where he says the repubs will give PBO a free rein with war, but they want to oversee the peace! So true!

KT, that is awesome! LOL

funk – we’ll talk.

Shore

Hey Funk! Good to see ya. Thanks!

We’ll be around. Not doing any traveling that month. We never leave Seattle in July

KT, back at ya.

Funk – that should work. I’ll write you when we pin it down later this weekend.

Murph, it is hilary or nobody, there is nobody on the bench, on deck, in the dugout or the locker room. All the GOP has is crazytown.

Ad, I think Kansas will keep digging until the they get to 1890

funk, they are very close to hittin paydirt!

funk – wasn’t the 1890s the Kansas heyday? Forward to the Past! The entire GOP slogan!

Murph, I’m not committed yet. I have so many conflicting feelings about her candidacy that I simply pretend that it isn’t happening yet

Police Shootings….I like in a county in Mo. that has nary a one….now we have lots of crime and lots of “low lifes” but our sheriff’s deputies are excellent….some of the best police I have ever experience….I asked one of my friends who is a senior Deputy Sheriff how come. His answer: Our Sheriff. Careful selection of deputies. Good training. No Miiltarization. Precise Protocols. Retraining regularly. Community Policing as the Goal. AND careful psychological screening.

glenn – I thnk that’s true. But the stupids don’t have a plan for who exactly will fight their war. They’ll have to bring back the draft.

Harleigh my logic as well.

Murph – that’s impressive!

AdLib – They kind of didn’t mention it….

Funk – Silver Spring, MD

Sabreen–I don’t think the stupids will be bothered if they have to bring back the draft, as long as their relatives don’t get drafted. And they’ll somehow write the law to be sure their relatives don’t get drafted.

AdLib – both Cruz and Rand were anointed as God’s chosen by Cruz’s daddy. Let’s see if this works any better…

Real savings could be realized by eliminating all red state welfare like socialist roads, snow removal, bridges, tunnels, clean water, sewage treatment, and flood control. All Medicaid, ACA HC, NIH, CDC involvement, food inspection, farm subsidies, SNAP, FEMA and EPA should be eliminated in those states along with money for fire, police and prison services. Most military installations in those states are total waste and need to be closed or consolidated into the blue states. The biggest waste of money in the red states is for education. While that spending has been greatly lowered the remainder could go to the richest 1% allowing all those 99% children to go work in factories or in warehouses or on the poison laden farms. Praise jebus!

ad, I think god had at least three in the running then. That supreme being has a wonderful sense of humor.

Murph, how much extra does that cost them in the budget? Do they talk about the financial cost or time cost of adhering to that admirable program?

“Covered Wagon? Where we’re going we won’t need covered wagons”

Good sentiment Harleigh,won’t happen though

Murph–that’s awesome about your sheriff’s department! Too bad departments like that don’t get more publicity.

Choice. The sheriff is retiring and the fear is that we are going to get a gung hoer who will want us to “catch up” with the rest of the region, which of course means joining them in their repressive measures.

Harleigh – Jesus has NOTHING to do with the Red State Dominionists! They’d lynch him in a Mississippi second, that damned zozializt.

Murph – OMG I am sorry to hear that!

Harleigh, just the thought of that gets you ramped up doesn’t it?

Harleigh–that should be your platform when you run for office!

Jesus, that dirty hippie communist/socialist

Murph, why wouldn’t one of the carefully screened deputies take over? Or is it an elected position?

Funk when you are not buying lots of heavy duty weapons and sending your people on survivalist training, the money is there.

Bias. Back in a second

Smoke one for me KT

Harleigh…..I like your logic….Red States should get their way….cut out ALL of the programs they object to.

Harleigh you’re onto something here – as with Right to Work I’m FINE with that so long as the idiots who do not join a union also get NONE of the benefits from the union. You think you’re hot shit? Bargain on your own, defend yourself on your own. If you hate gubmint in DC – take nothing. Sure – reduce your taxes but get NOTHING from the feds. And see how you like the Social Darwinistic existence you will get.

X, is the fair 51st managing to resist the tide of toxic conservatism? I’ve heard that things are getting a bit squirrely up north.

Funk…elected and the Tea Party has been waiting for this.

AdLib – they don’t even have to secede – they just have to live by their principles of NO benefits from DC.

Glenn…the man is low key but deserving ofpraise.

Ah. Too bad.

cl agree 1,000%

I like Haleigh’s idea as much as the next guy, but we’ll need to start an underground railroad for the rational folk to get out and resettle

AdLib – I can see that. The better word is ‘delusions’. SORRY!!!!

I wish Funk! I haven’t smoked any weed in over 5 years now. I sure do miss it.

Ad….he is a good man who replace a fellow who though he was in the Old West and dressed the part…..this guy, in his 15th year models his office on the FBI.

Murph–wouldn’t it be nice if your sheriff could become a “consultant” to other police departments once he retires?

Whaaaa? KT, not even edibles? I get no smoking, but nuthin’?

Glenn….good idea.

Glenn, that is a good idea.

Nah funk. I wouldn’t even know where to get it these days. But I do intent to change that bleak scenario, soon.

AdLib – yes, that IS the problem.

I read a tweet that said the Civil War is not over. So if that’s the case, maybe those states should secede.

Ad, yeah most of fantasies end up with good people getting…. uh…

KT, come out to the west. Wide open skies, room to breathe, low humidity and legal weed.

Funk–with good people getting “clustermucked”?

Sabren – yesterday was the 150th anniversary of the surrender at Appomatox. I bet a lot of good ol’ boys were heavily drinking. I do with they’d leave, and we’d offer total sanctuary to those wanting to flee.

Didn’t you say you wanted to be closer to your daughter? Is it your mom keeping you in the east?

Ad Lib. He is.

Glenn, I think I should just pass on that

No Murph, they south lost and they will continue to have sour grapes for years to come. At least until the old racist fucks die off and technology establishes itself.

It is a good idea to secede the entire Texassissippianahomasas region for several reasons; 1. The average IQ of the remainder of the nation would go up at least 30 points. 2. The average median income would go up over $10,000. 3. The average educational level would go from 6th grade dropout to college level. 4. We would save hundreds of billions in waste on their education, welfare and infrastructure. 5. Their new kuntry could be called teabaggertopia, or Neojebusland or Concrapia maybe. The Texassissippianahomasas region has already been rejected by Mexico saying that accepting all those teabaggers in that region would greatly reduce their national standards.

“All Ah know is that Ah didn’t surrender to no Grant”

Funk We have an election coming,probably by October,There is hope that the Liberals will win,but Harper is cagey.And he has not managed the economy badly.So,it will be close

CL – Yeah. They said the surrender should never have happened.

All – I’ve said before, everyone should read “Confederate Reckoning” by Stephanie McCurry about how the Confederacy screwed WHITE people who were not rich. It’s a powerful book aimed at eliminating the mytholody. It hasn’t had nearly a wide enough audience.

X, good luck with that. Harper is Koch North. He’s comparatively better than our lunatics, but he’s still bad news

Ad, HELL no. All they get is South Dakota and they’ll just have to like it.

Harleigh….you are TOO MUCH but I love it. So clever. How do you come up with this stuff.

AdLib – I have friends in all those states, good people. They are frantic over the Red turns each is taking.

Choice, VERY good point. I will check that out. I read a great piece on that a couple of years ago that really opened my eyes

“Concrapia” LOL

eventually, technology, the media and the rational thinkers and their adherents will kill the old south. That’s exactly what they are so afraid of. They see it coming. The question is, how long will it take? Not long, in my opinion. Not compared to pre-internet age.

funk – I met Stephanie years ago. She is a powerful and wonderful writer.

Okay folks, time to call it a night. I hope everyone has a good weekend. Take care and I look forward to chatting with you all soon.

KT – we said that about technology and the influx of northerners to do business in the “New South”. It did not work then. I am not sure it will work now.

funk,yes,he is NOTHING like American conservatives,but he is beholden to differnt factions.And they are going backwards on our penal system

Good night, glenn – sleep well and have a wonderful weekend.

Sabreen, my mom is about 30 miles N. of Baltimore, but I’m dropping into DC for a couple of days, SS is really close isn’t it?

Sorry, but I goot ago as well. g’night glenn and all.

Good night Glenn.Great conversation tonight.

Well Murph I am hoping for a Palin – Bachmann ticket because they think they can hear Jebus! It’s really just the bats in their heads asleep and snoring! They are a riot.

Night Glenn

G’day Pink

Goodnight OZ!

TaaaaTaaaa PPO.

Hi and goodbye, funk!

nite guys

Beatlex – I lived in Sidney, NS for a time, and found that because their cable TV came from Detroit they all thought there was a huge crime wave. Actually – nothing at all happened there, but they got scared.

Good night to all of you who are bailing! Have a great week.

Good night PPO! See you soon I hope!

CL, have faith. I think it is already starting to work. There has never been such easy access to info in the history of the world. A lot of the change will come about by the diminishing of so called religious truth. Young people today are increasingly turning away fro organized religion, and are beginning to think for themselves and/or exploring alternatives.

KT, too many rational people moving into Alabama and Georgia for the good weather. Same in Texas. Soon only the truly benighted coal states are going to harbor the worst of us

AdLib – Rand is portraying himself as a MOD???? Well that escaped MY notice!

KT – that[‘s true nationally, but I’m NOT sure it’s true in the deep south.

Ignorance is what keeps people enslaved, and that surely includes mental slavery!

It sure would help if we had a honest MSM instead of infotainers.

KT, sometimes a generation just needs to die off for permanent change to take place

I have faith CL. Faith in the power of reason.

funk – those ‘coal states’ are actually doing some amazingly progressive stuff such as creating union worker coops. Biggest movement is in Cincinnati – Boehner’s turf – and is changing the world. They are light years ahead of the West.

KT – I do, too, but I’m not feeling it for the deeply Red states.

CL,interesting,I guess fear rubs off

CL really? On the surface they just seem be dragging themselves back into the dark, electing more and more odious candidates

Beatlex – it was a very odd experience to know what they thought and why – and to see the disconnect.

True funk. The problem with most intransient bigotry is that it is passed down from parent to child, and community, but I think the internet will change that. Knowledge is power.

funk – the work on the ground is far better than anything at all in CA. FAR better. That’s how real change happens.

Interesting

It will happen CL. It may take a decade or so, but it will happen. Reason and knowledge trumps bullshit, every time.

I’ll just have to take your word for it.

AdLib – I agree – he’s making himself unelectable because he’s so dishonest.

adlib,Rand has a fatal flaw for a pol,a thin skin!

funk – pretty soon I hope I will post about the work going on in northern even Red states to create worker ownership. It’s far better than ANY worker cooperatives we have in CA that are comprised of smug middle class people opting out – until they get bored.

X, for sure. That will really wear him down quickly. No one likes someone who can’t handle themselves on the friggin Today show. If he’s a serious candidate, and I don’t think he really is, his “handlers” will set him straight

Found this….the Pau/Christy ticket.

How can anyone in TX OK or KS explain their total stupidity! Gomert or any repub TX… Brownback buried KS…. they really are gonna get it bad.

Rand walked out of an interview and then said it was CNN’s fault because they turned off the lights.

Murph!

Rand makes the same mistake as Cruz makes. They both think they are the smartest people in the room. The reality is far from it.

Ha!

AdLib – I do think this is the bottom of the swing, yes.

Murph too

TRUMP!!! LOL

AdLib – that said, I do NOT think they’re going without a huge fight!

In what manner are they going to fight the truth, CL? I mean overwhelming truth.

Ad, I think it will be significantly worse. We are going to approach levels of insanity never seen before in modern politics

Anyone see Rachel tonight on the 1995 Amtrak disaster? The FBI are ramping up the investigation of domestic terrorism again – interesting.

I have a neighbor who is a Big Time Paulini….he keeps trying to lure me in by saying that Paul is the “smart guys candidate” and he really believes it.

Ad, you’ve given Ted Cruz his new slogan: “Cruz 2016: I’m Not a Little Bitch”

Murph – well of course he does. He thinks HE is a smart guy. So it stands to reason that his candidate would be, too. Both, of course, are delusional!

Ad, he is a pampered little shit that has had no real resistance in his life. He has certainly been shielded from the realities of life. He is already self destructing.

funk!

CL…..good read on the matter.

Murph, a couple of my very good friends are rabid Paulites. I always tease them about it.

Paul is so smart he created an organization so that he could certify himself.

Perry!!! and Santorum again!!??? LOL no way….. it can’t be that good.

Sabreen, maybe Newt could sell him an award!

KT – I keep seeing Rand at the debate stamping his widdle footie in frustration!

I think Jeb is the R’s best hope,Walker has a bad record in his state,the rest are clowns or are tainted in some way

i have to say, just in general, I liked the older version of VOX. It’s too hard to keep up with each new comment now.

harleigh – take heart! Santorum can’t find a nickle’s worth of funding. He’s toast.

Did anyone see Liz Warren on Maher tonight….she is so smart and so well spoken and so insightful.

KT – it is all fast moving, but that’s due to us all writing so fast!

CL, he’s already done it, but in a very less noticeable fashion. You are right though, it may come to that.

Randy told Maddow that he’s against the part of the Civil Rights Act that says private businesses cannot discriminate. Somehow, that’s a deal breaker for me.

AdLib – that is THE perfect Teddy slogan!!!

Face it, Bush v. Clinton is the most likely outcome in the national election. And I want to stab my eye out over it. If THIS is the best our political system can produce after the untold carnage that both of those administrations wreaked, then we are se

cL, yeah, but the old format was easier to go back and see what was being written.

Sabreen – he’s carried that meme into so many realms. It’s all about the rights of private property – and personal liberty has NO place for him in that.

CL dang! Maybe we could get Alan West to jump in! oh please jebus! I pwomise I’ll be good!

New doesn’t always mean better.

-seeing a truly chronically ill electoral system. Another Bush? Another Clinton? After the carnage their administrations caused? Jeebus!

Harleigh!!! Do NOT encourage West please!!!

Sorry Ad, I know you worked hard on the new format, but I really think the older one worked better.

KT – the old one used to jam though. This is very fast but reliable.

West is just as crazy but more unstable than Carson.

How about Stone Crazy Cruz?

AdLib – another winner, AdLib! I see a great future for you in Cruz campaign slogans if you can control your gag reflex!

KT – AdLib – maybe it’s my computer but this non stop rolling when people are typing is driving me to drink — more!

Holy crap the Mariners are getting killed

adlib,you are right,but who else from the right has a chance?

funk – you’re with us AND watching the Mariners? Wow – multitasking galore!

I don’t know CL. It didn’t jam until the changes were being made. The transition was what caused the stalls.

I’m spry

Funk – I feel you. Even though O’Malley is making noises, I really don’t think he has a chance.

Harleigh, for sure. Carson’s crazy, West is unstable

Exactlly Sabreen. It’s too fast. And it doesn’t always show up the next day for review.

Sabreen, you like him? I like most of his positions, but what do you think of the guy? I get mixed reviews

Malloy, Sanders, and whoever else will be sparring partners for Hillary AND they will broaden the discussion.

Ad, that’ll give you material for the next 2 years

AdLib – Ahhhhh…Fiorina. I can’t wait to see “demon sheep lady” do her THANG.

BBL – Hope you’re still here.

Murph, I sure hope so. That is ESSENTIAL

Sabreen – hope to see you but if not later then.

adlib there’s like over 20 ‘possibles’! Run for the money and swing support at their cornvention.

Funk, I actually think that Malloy may be trying out for VP.

Exactly Murph. That’s why Sanders will be a good candidate. He. as an avowed socialist, will not be nominated, but he will bring much needed ideas to any debate….providing he will be allowed to debated.

Murph, O’Malley? Sure. Why not?

DId any of you see Maher tonight pledge one million to Liz Warren?

The republican field IS a joke! POPCORN!

Fiorina has been fired more than me, so she’s got one on me.

No way! Really? Murph, I think it may be cause Bill is hot for her. Whatever it takes though.

Maher actually donated to Warren, or just said he will? He must know that she is not going to run, unless he has some sort of inside infor that the rest of us do not have.

Ad, he sure seems to have cooled his jets over the last several weeks. My imagination?

Funk, the audience went wild….she is really pushing the economic justice issue and naming Hillary in it all.

Maybe the women at the beauty shop will tell carly ‘no chance in hell’, bitch. lol

I’ll have to watch that.

KT…he made the pledge to her when she was on the show IF she ran.

Fiorina is delusional if she thinks she’s got a chance in hell of the nomination. I think this is just job-trolling. She’s almost as bad as Trump

ad she may be able to crash everything better than bush!

So would I Ad. I don’t really think Hillary is the repub in disguise that a lot of people think. She is not Bill, I think she must see the world differently, just as a woman. That may be a good thing. Men have fucked up for millenia now. Maybe a woman could provide a more nuturing, yet hard approach. Hillary is no pussy, that’s for sure. She’s also no dummy.

Ad….you are SOOOOO quick.

KT….her language is less colorful than yours but my Lysistrata Lady friend said pretty much the same thing as you did.

Funk, are you drawing a blank?

Ad, he’s been saying that for some time now. I surely would like for him to throw his hat into the ring.

Ad….very welcome…most deserved.

Well Murph, I don’t know about the Greek reference, but I do think it’s time for the supposed most powerful nation on earth, to adopt a wee bit of the feminie touch.

There ya go Funk! Homer? Are you putting him forth as a potential candidate?

LMAO @ homer

KT, that I agree with. I just wish I could really believe that her actual policies are going to be different. Maybe I’m biased because of my low opinion of her husband

Lysistrata led a revolt of the women against the men to stop a war.

I would LOVE for a woman to win the Presidency. That desire is in constant conflict with who I perceive Hillary to be.

I’d still vote for over anyone the GOP trots out.

for *her*

Ad, I keep hearing that, but we have yet to see what she will do if elected. Every candidate that wins faces real eye openers once in office, and to Hillary’s favor, she has seen, first hand, what being in charhe at the west wing entails. No president is on their own. Look to the cabinet and her closest advisors both public and private.

Ad….Bernie is an idea guy….his record of legislative success is very small but it is his thinking that will push the bubble.

I’m baaack!

Murph, Bernie has some really humanistic ideas and ideals. Both are equally important.

I’m suspecting that my opinion of her is also colored by who she surrounded herself with in her last race. Scumbags and retreads. I’ve had enough of those thank you.

Well Hil was the first lady so dosen’t she already know the truth about the aliens?

KT….I like and admire Bernie.

funk, it’s never good to presuppose. She may surprise you.

And the grassy knoll

KT, that comment cuts both ways

Who else in the dem party has a chance at winning. If we don’t win, we can’t accompish much at all.

She certainly was a better SOS than I thought she’d be. As a matter of fact I thought she was pretty damn good.

Really funk? please explain?

funk I’m going with the drain cover on that one! LOL

She can also surprise to the negative.

I want to trust Hillary. But…..I have a bitter taste. She’s done a lot of shit. Plus she’s hawkish.

Of course, but what is the alternative? Who is the alternative? Let’s be real here.

KT, no doubt. You don’t even have to try to convince me of that. If she wins the primary, I’ll vote for her against any of the ass-clowns the GOP puts up.

I’d vote for her husband against any of those yahoos for that matter

The Hillary Alternative……

Thanks AdLib. Hillary was a member of “C Street”, too.

Sabreen, I am not a hawk, by a long stretch, but I will say that the world IS a dangerous place, and not filled with peace loving people. A certain amount of fight has to be present in our dealings with the rest of the world. Look at the national symbol. The eagle with olive leaves in one claw, and arrows in the other. This is the reality of the world. I don’t think Hillary would ever make the same disasterous blunders that bush and cheney did. She is much, much smareter than they were/are.

From listening to President Obama’s supporters on blogs and twitter, if Hillary distances herself from him, she won’t be able to count on their $$$.

Sabreen, I think that is just a threat. In the long run. it will come down to dem money and repub money and any grass roots contributions they can get. The dems always have to rely more on grass roots contributions.

KT – She did vote to go in Iraq. And I’m not so sure she would have worked as hard as PBO on diplomacy with Iran. Of course, I don’t know that, but I do have doubts.

KT – It’s not a threat with me. If she disrepects the President and all the good this administration has accomplished, she won’t get a dime from me. She won’t need my dime, anyway. She’ll all the big time Democratic corporate donors.

Isn’t C Street the outfit that thinks jebus is living in a pyramid in the moon?

AdLib – Here’s the thing. Iran doesn’t have nukes, but Israel does. So all this hype about Iran nuking Israel is just stupid.

Sabreen, they were all lied to about Iraq. Obama wasn’t even in Congress to vote, at the time. This always bothered me about Obama’s claim to be against the decision to invade. He was never faced with actually being on record at the time. Don’t get me wrong. I like president Obama, but that was a purely political move on his part, and he is, after all is said and doe, a politician.

Ad, at this point, as far as 2016 goes, Obama is pretty much irrelevant, as far as campaigns go.

KT, I certainly don’t agree with that. I think he’s going to loom pretty large. Anyone that pulls a 2000 Gore with Obama is going to get similar result IMO

Ad, I agree with that.

KT – There were Democrats in Congress who didn’t vote for the Iraq war. Therefore, I’ll take PBO at his word when he said he was against the war.

ad that’s a total whackdoodle group! Hill is in that club!? no way…. say it ain’t so….

Funk, I don’t think it will matter that much. Those who judge Hillary by Bill or Obama, will be making judgements that are spurious at best.

Still here…just reading the discussion……leaning from it.

If PBO wanted to be politically correct, seems to me he wouldn’t have taken a position on the war one way or the other. “The following is a transcript of the remarks then-Sen. Barack Obama delivered in Chicago on Oct. 2, 2002. In his speech, Obama said that what he was opposed to was “a dumb war … a rash war.” He said the war was a “cynical attempt” to shove “ideological agendas down our throats” and would distract from domestic problems such as poverty and health care.”

ad that’s certainly a possibility

In 2014 most of the Democrats who ran away from PBO lost.

Ad, the smartest thing she’ll do, (and she’s doing it already) is embrace the sensible moderate positions he’s taken and then expand on how she’ll do even better

She’s going to be running on the tail end of some positive news, even if it is a lot of glossy veneer

sabreen just brought to mind tammy Grimes. boy she blew it.

Hillary has no choice….she will be joined to Obama’s admin at the hip by the GOP….it is champion his agenda or lose his loyalists’ enthusiasm while gaining no additional support from another group.

True Sabreen, but overall, everybody was lied to. Hillary is not a pacifist, that’s for sure. I don’t want a pacifist as commander-in-chief. I do want a president who has accurate intel and the ability to know when it is best to stay out of a conflict or to engage in one. Histrory has proven Iraq was a huge mistake, but the lie was that it wouldn’t be a war. The lie was that it would be over in “six day, six weeks, or six months.” The lie continued by claiming that the Iraqis would greet us as liberators, and Iraqi oli would pay for the “war.” The whole thing was sold on a pack of lies. The absolute pacicifist congress people voted no. They were right, as history has shown, but I do not blame Hillary, or condemn her for wanting to protect the US. She was wrong in her decision. That doesn’t make he a hawk. Look at what she has done as Secretary of State.

I am really curious to see where she lands on the TPP

TTP?

TransPacific Trade Partnership

Ad, why, at this point, would she do that?

Thanks funk!

Unfortunately, all we’re going to get is Interminable Vince Foster and Benghazi questions

People do realixe, that global trade IS good for us? It may eliminate some jobs, but it creates many others. Global trade is good for the overall economy of the US. It’s a changing world folks.

adlib,for sure,Grimes blew it big time

ad she even talked bad about the ACA that was a godsend to that pathetic state I lived in 40 years ago! LOL

Murph, I totally agree. I can name at least 4 pretty large blogs plus tweeter where PBO’s supporters are not sitting on their hands when comes to issues or individuals. They tore Schumer a new one on Twitter for backstabbing PBO. The man won twice with millions of votes. He’s got a lot of supporters out their. And people shouldn’t sell them short.

“out there”

Wayne LaPierre, the executive vice president of the National Rifle Association, focused more of his Friday speech at his group’s annual convention on attacks against likely presidential candidate Hillary Clinton instead of gun rights.He went through all of her “scandals” and jined them to “gate” This willbe teh GOP playbook.

More moderates than liberals voted for Obama. Someone should remember that

Self-described ‘moderates’ and “liberals” I should say

Harliegh, I tried to sign up for the ACA, and found out that may best price was 290 bucks a month. That, in my case is not affordable, in the least. I only get 1260 a month. I’d have to seriously cut down on food if I were to pay that much. Fortunately I am a veteran and get my healthcare from the VA.

Not sure why. Just seems like something to remember

KT – that makes NO sense since it is pegged to your income. Someone’s leading you astray.

AdLib – As I said 2014 should be a lesson to Democrats. We always manage to shoot ourselves in the foot. Why do some Democrats think that liberals will vote for Republican lite? Grimes not only denied Obama, she didn’t even want to admit she was a Democrat.

Ad, I really don’t see her doing that. I think she is much smarter than that. She’s not running for the junior senator of house rep.

Sabreen – Grimes tried to play it safe, only played it stupid.

Guys, I gotta bail. Thanks so much for the great convo! KT I really appreciate you driving it. I really enjoyed your perspective and learned something from it as well.

Ad, thanks for hosting, have a great saturday folks

later funk

‘Night funk! Have a good weekend.

Ad, we also can’t discount her campaign managers and staff. I will admit that she didn’t run a very good campaign the last time, but I think she is also a person that learns from her mistakes. We can’t confuse her ability to win with her ability to govern.

OUTSTANDING DISCUSSION YOU ALL….thank you.

Funk – 66 million voted for PBO in 2012. I don’t think the far left may have voted in huge numbers. But I’m not even sure what “moderate” Democrats are. I classify Democrats as far left, pragmatic, and Blue Dogs.

Vince Foster was responsible for Benghazi!

good night all – had a homeless guy looking for something to eat, and it did me in. Talk to you next week I hope!

Harleigh – I’ve always suspected Vince of Benghazi

Damn Harleigh! You solved the most important question int he entire history of the world! LOL.

nite CL

Nite, choice…..

Good night everybody!

Aren’t progressives supposed to look more to the future than the past?

I’m out to folks. Good night everyone. Take care.

Grimes should be a lesson for Hillary.

Sweet dreams Sabreen!

nite sabreen, i’m right behind you!

why does eveydody think Hillary is being so slow to announce? I think it is very smart of her and her campaign managers.

Grimes is a good lesson for all democrats.

Time forme to pack it in as well….Good night, great discussion tonight!

Have a good night Murph!

later murph

nite folks

We had major flooding this week and I am doing a lot of rapair work so I am pooped.

I think I will call it a night, as well. Thanks for the great conversation folks. Nobody has beaten a good night on VOX here at the Planet. Thanks to all!

Wishing you all good weather…..whether that be rain or shine (different needs, different speeds)

And I could take a little sunshine for afew days but more rain to follow…..wanting it both ways.

Goodnight Planet! It was edifying

it was fun ad!