Vox Populi – 4-10-2015

An early howdy do!

murphthesurf3

Ferguson was very interesting last week. Part of the GOTV effort…..

murphthesurf3

Twice the turnout as in 2014 midterms but still just about 30 percent. Apathy abounds. Still they got half the council black.

murphthesurf3

The GOTV effort was thwarted at every turn mostly by black leaders who labeled it a useless game that played into the white agenda.

murphthesurf3

Oh I am not dissatisfied but I am also not pleased. They kept us at a distance until it became clear that we old guard activists were needed.

murphthesurf3

How is the drought in your piece of LA

murphthesurf3

I do hope you are correct…..the power of black opportunists to derail the good efforts of real leaders is very signficant. It does not serve their interests to have elections go well.

murphthesurf3

Is the agri lobby the problem? What happens if there is a slash? Who gets hurt by it…..key crops, migrant workers?

murphthesurf3

The opportunists tapped into a large number of people who will not register and therefore will not vote who regard elections as a game that they always lose. The new message from them is that the two new council members are plants because both are educated professionals.

murphthesurf3

What does your “reformer” mayor have to say about that? Or is he in on it?

murphthesurf3

Hi KT

murphthesurf3

Hey peeps, wazzzzzup?

killgoretrout

Hey Murph, how goes it?

killgoretrout

KT, only two of us before you appeared…..

murphthesurf3

Ah, the night is young!

killgoretrout

Hey Ad, How have you been?

killgoretrout

I am ok Kilgore….I was sharing my Ferguson experience last week with Ad Lib….if you are interested take a gander further up stream.

murphthesurf3

Hi Glenn…..

murphthesurf3

I must confess, that I’ve reached a certain saturation point. I tend to think that not much has changed, in the long run. I know that’s a bit skeptical, but here I am.

killgoretrout

KT- I have the same feeling….in fact I have a sense that we are sliding backwards.

murphthesurf3

Hey glenn! I hope all is well in the land of the Pats.

killgoretrout

Hello PPO

murphthesurf3

Hi, Murph, KT et al.

pinkpantheroz

Hiya ad.

pinkpantheroz

I was extremely saddened by the murder of yet another black man. I was, however, glad to see that his killer has been charged with murder. It was no doubt, murder.

killgoretrout

Hey PPO! Good to “see ya.”

killgoretrout

Ad…I do hope your positive thinking is prophetic…..two ministers there who I have gotten to know are very worried….one thinks the opportunists leaders are in the pay of realtors who want the whole area to flip.

murphthesurf3

Murph, who would want to buy?

killgoretrout

Good evening, all. I was reading about Murph’s experiences in Ferguson re the elections. KT, “land of the pats”? How is everyone tonight?

glenn

KT….and late today another assault by a bunch of pissed off cops on a guy running from them caught by a helicopter followingthe chase.

murphthesurf3

Glenn, are you kidding? The national champions of American football! The Pats!

killgoretrout

Ad LIb….beyond your mayor, where does the governor stand on this.

murphthesurf3

Yes, KT, tragic. But perhaps the fact that cameras are now everywhere, may slow down the incidence oof ‘He went for my gun’ defences.

pinkpantheroz

KT…..first clear folks out and then make way for development….in this case an expanding university and an industrial park.

murphthesurf3

KT–but I live in GA, land of the Falcons.

glenn

You poor thing, glenn!

pinkpantheroz

Murph–but why can’t you have an expanding university and an industrial park now?

glenn

This turd was actually caught on camera taking the taser that was dropped initially and dropping it off at the body, some 30 feet away. He was trying to “plant,” evidence and got caught on camera. Thank goodness for personal cameras, owned by the general public.

killgoretrout

PPO–I know, “sigh”. I also have to live in a state with republicans controlling everything!

glenn

OOps. glenn, I confused you with sillylittleme. My bad.

killgoretrout

KT Landlocked by Housing, particularly subsidized housing.

murphthesurf3

Murph, much like “subsidized prisons.”

killgoretrout

KT–no problem. I get confused often, too.

glenn

Carpet Baggers?

killgoretrout

The two new council members are an attorney/professor; and a business executive……both excellent….weshall see.

murphthesurf3

Hi Harleight

murphthesurf3

hey folks

Harleigh

Kt, what gets me is that the ‘escapee’ was no Usain Bolt and could have been caught at a gentle trot. but no, he had to empty his magazine.

pinkpantheroz

KT–but despite the turd’s trying to plant evidence, geraldo rivera says that the cop’s videotape will exonerate the cop.

glenn

KT…the subsidized housing is affordable housing for the poor.

murphthesurf3

Hey Harley, you old reprobate? How goes it?

killgoretrout

Murph, owned by whom?

killgoretrout

It’s still going1 LOL

Harleigh

BRB

pinkpantheroz

Hey Harleigh–I was in FL last week visiting relatives. Sure did love the weather! Although it’s finally getting warm here.

glenn

KT….the apartmet buldings are mostly privately owned with rent subsidies….but the owners cannot sell without government approval thus the need to empty the area.

murphthesurf3

It’s been great weather for months in south floriduh!

Harleigh

Hey Ad–missed you all the past two weeks, but I was traveling.

glenn

Ad…I like Brown but his positon on this has struck me as bizarre….I though that I might have misunderstood it but you have verified this.

murphthesurf3

I see, Murph.

killgoretrout

Harleigh–yup–that’s about the only thing I miss about Florida–the weather.

glenn

i know the bottlers of water are making a killing in California.

killgoretrout

Good evening!

Beatlex

ad – no challenger. nobody there.

Harleigh

Ad–Will Hillary (is it one “l” or two) have any serious challengers? What do you think?

glenn

Ad, I don’t think it’s a foregone conclusion that Hillary will get the nom, but it is very likely. Who would be a serious challenge?

killgoretrout

Evening, Bealtex. How are you?

glenn

Hey B! What’s up?

killgoretrout

Ad, do you recall the Lysistratra Ladies from my campaigning experience who revolted against their GOP husbands?

murphthesurf3

Hey b

Harleigh

Hi Beatlex ….

murphthesurf3

Doin’ fine folks!

Beatlex

Ad–thanks.

glenn

Murph, that should happen with the GOPer wives.

killgoretrout

They are “biblically restrained.”

killgoretrout

KT….it did….they worked for Obama because they were sick of anti-women GOP BS here.

murphthesurf3

That’s great, that sentiment should spread.

killgoretrout

Evening everyone! Hope you’re all OK and doing well!

choicelady

Hey CL! How’s the good fight going?

killgoretrout

If it’s the spouse of a GOP congressperson the they are also a Piece of Shit by marriage.

Harleigh

Ad–seriously? Biden will run? Read somewhere today that he took a baby’s pacifier. I think he’s getting just a little bizarre, lately.

glenn

Ad Lib The Leader of the Lysistrata Ladies had lunch with me earlier this week and she is going to support Hillary. In fact she is organizing for her. She did a great job convincing me I should do the same.

murphthesurf3

Hi KT – haven’t seen you in a long time! Hope you’re OK. The fight is what the fight is. Sigh.

choicelady

hey cl

Harleigh

SCOOP!!!!! Hillary is running! Aust. TV announced she will declare via social media this weekend. How’s that for the worst-kept secret!

pinkpantheroz

Harleigh, manure by marriage?

killgoretrout

Ad,I hope you are right,she needs to be seriously challenged! NO coronation!

Beatlex

Murph – that is SUPERB news!

choicelady

Evening CL. Hope you’re well, also.

glenn

Hi glenn – lovely to see you. How are you there in GA?

choicelady

Hi Choice….yes I am Ready for Hillary….good Lord!

murphthesurf3

Hi Harleigh! Great to see you!

choicelady

KT guano! LOL

Harleigh

Murph–I remember a few weeks back when you were unsure about campaigning so early for Hillary. So, have you made up your mind?

glenn

There are definitely more progressive people than Hillary in the democratic party. But do they have the same amount of political clout? Clout is everything in American politics.

killgoretrout

CL–doing well; weather is warming up, so I’m a happy camper.

glenn

Hey AdLib – how are you? STILL have not heard from our mutual friend. Very annoyed I must say.

choicelady

Hi PPO – how’s life ‘down under’?

choicelady

KT–clout and money. And Hillary will be able to raise gobs of money from all I have read.

glenn

Harleigh, that would explain the batshit crazy!

killgoretrout

KT – that’s observably accurate. Glenn – yup. Clout and money. I keep hearing HRC has allied with Schumer on Iran, then I hear she hasn’t. Anyone know?

choicelady

Glenn….I still have many Hillary doubts….but people i trust like you and Choice and Ad Lib are on board….and when a lifetime GOP woman here in my state walked me through why she and her friends believe it is time for a woman president and that Hillary is the person to do that….well…I put it all together….SO I am Ready for Hillary.

murphthesurf3

Anyone have an opinion on Lincoln Chaffee? I slightly knew his father who was a very good guy, but I understand Lincoln is a lightweight though he’s opposing HRC on her Iraq war vote and her ties to Wall Street.

choicelady

hillary and Bill already have gobs of money, but they will easily get more in contributions. One good thing about Citizens United is that both parties can gain from it. It still sucks though because it eliminates to average people.

killgoretrout

Murph–good on ya! As we have all stated before, Hillary has her problems, but she is still head and shoulders above anyone the repubs have out there.

glenn

Ad Lib and Choice…..Glenn….I still have many Hillary doubts….but people i trust like you and Glenn are on board….and when a lifetime GOP woman here in my state walked me through why she and her friends believe it is time for a woman president and that Hillary is the person to do that….well…I put it all together….SO I am Ready for Hillary.

murphthesurf3

Murph – I’m NOT on board with Hillary. Yet. If she is the nom, then sure.

choicelady

Choice….so why was my news Great?

murphthesurf3

Murph – I see your point – if she can win over GOP women, that’s HUGE. Murph – it was the Lysistrata Ladies coming into the tent. HUGE!

choicelady

KT I honestly can’t fathom the batshit crazies starting with Palin and Bachmann back in 2007. It is beyond embarrassing. 8 years later and these really off the wall whackdoodles are whackin off BS everywhere.

Harleigh

THIS is what this Canadian sees my American friends. If Hillary wins the Presidency,she will face THE SAME situation the President is in now if the R’s retain both houses.Those are the races that really matter

Beatlex

Choice…I like Lincoln a lot but he is a lightweight.

murphthesurf3

Hey CL, same as it ever was. Keep on keepin on. I’m doing well, just a bit more contemplative about life in general than I normally am.

killgoretrout

AdLib – if I could answer that one question, “what’s wrong with people” I’d make a fortune as a guru. I don’t know – did not stop her from asking me to get on HER issues again. Grrrrr.

choicelady

Murph – that’s my understanding of Chaffee, yes.

choicelady

KT – are you in OH or MA?

choicelady

Well Harleigh, their clones have risen. Rand Paul, Ted Cruz and the ever constant religious fanatics like Huckabee.

killgoretrout

Good morning, afternoon, evening Planeteers!

sabreen60

Hi, CL, Going OK just now. Heading into Fall our Hemisphere.

pinkpantheroz

AdLib – I’m there with you. I don’t trust her fully at all.

choicelady

Beatle….your reading is correct….but the Dems should win back the Senate, but the House is out reach until post 2020 and only then if the State Houses have returned to some balance.

murphthesurf3

Hey Sabreen!!! Lovely to see you!

choicelady

hi, Sabreen!

pinkpantheroz

Right now CL, I’m in Ohio. I’ll probably go back to Mass for a few months, soon. It seems I have two homes now.

killgoretrout

hey sabreen

Harleigh

Murph,what makes you sure they will win back the senate?

Beatlex

Murph – there is a huge movement to do voter registration in gerrymandered states – might help win the house before 2020.

choicelady

Ad Lib and Choice…..I do not see a viable Progressive alternative…..do you?

murphthesurf3

Het Lady, good to see ya. How have you been? Sabreen?

killgoretrout

Beatlex–for sure Hilllary will face the same thing PBO faces now. I do have hope that Dems will be swept back into Congress in 2016 because it will be a presidential election and more people turn out. So…there is that. It may be the same situation as PBO. First two years with Dems, then the rest of the time with the batshit crazies.

glenn

KT – OMG – you’re one of those people with a summer home then??? Maybe not JUST like the Rockefellers, but in the ballpark! LOL!

choicelady

Murph – no. I don’t see a viable progressive.

choicelady

Beatle…..the GOP will have to defend many more seats this time around and in general elections where the Dems win the WH they take the Senate…..it is the election cycle based on state political makeup.

murphthesurf3

KT – O

sabreen60

Hi Sabreen!

glenn

I honestly thought 2012 cycle had the limit on bizarre whackdoodle candidates, This cycle is already fucking hysterical and it’s only 2015.

Harleigh

KT – Oops. Hit the enter key. I’m fine. I’ve missed you!

sabreen60

Murph – what I just cannot tolerate is the number of people who are OK with the wackadoodles in Congress. Don’t they SEE the problems?

choicelady

Hardly CL. I go to help out the mom. She owns a two bedroom ranch, in a working class (small and somewhat secluded neighborhood) on the Cape. The rich need the workers, even on the Cape!

killgoretrout

Choice….the Dems HAVE TO begin reeducating the base…..we cannot beat the GOP in the money game so we need to replace the unions with a cadre of bright and informed people who drive the vote.

murphthesurf3

KT – I know that. I’m poking fun, but it IS nice you can be in MA or OH. I realize you’re not living large in either place!

choicelady

CL–according to the wackadoodles who vote for the congressional wackadoodles, the Dems are the problem.

glenn

in Ohio, I live in an old motel that has been converted into studio apartments.

killgoretrout

glenn – oh sure. Dems are the problem cutting everything the voting wackadoodles want, of course.

choicelady

Thanks CL. I just wanted to clarify for others here, but they probably know me by now.

killgoretrout

KT – I knew you had a studio in OH. Nice to be able to get out a bit then!

choicelady

Oh, it sure is CL. Nobody can exclude the natural beauty of the Cape. That is nature’s beauty. Ohio has it’s own, but not as all encompassing.

killgoretrout

LMAO the red states get the most welfare stuff for poor white people!! When told it would be cut and they were losing benefits they blamed the tax and spend dems!! ROTF

Harleigh

KT – nothing prettier than New England and especially the Cape, yes.

choicelady

BRB

murphthesurf3

On the bright side people.The R’s continue to be their usual tone deafness panderers.

Beatlex

Harleigh – this is absurdness times over. It’s the Dems’ fault they don’t point fingers at the REAL culprits for the harm done to people.

choicelady

The Cape has such a rareified natural beauty. Many places do, but I think the Cape has it’s own combination.

killgoretrout

AdLib – I live in infinite hope you are correct. I don’t think people are THAT stupid, but hey…

choicelady

AdLib – I’m rooting for Cruz to be the GOP nom precisely to prevent anyone else seriously challenging the Dem.

choicelady

AdLib – I hope you’re right. But when I look at suppression tactics, I just hope Democrats will do whatever is necessary to vote. The other thing I worry about are the voting machines.

sabreen60

CL–I live in a republican state, and according to most of the comments that I read in the local paper, that is exactly the problem. The Dems won’t let the poor, persecuted christians discriminate; etc. These people are just blinded by hatred. It’s unexplainable, IMO. Even when a columnist makes rational, factual arguments, they never answer the points; they just come up with their debunked talking points, or make up even more bizarre comments.

glenn

What a joke Rand Paul is proving himself to be. The king of avoidance interview.

killgoretrout

CL I just kinda duct tape my jaw to keep it from hitting the tile floor whenever I watch some of these ridiculous interviews of real rural tbag people and not the fake ones like Duck Dynasty. holy shit.

Harleigh

I think the GOP is in for a real ass whoopin in 2016. They may have revelled in the midterm victories, but the persidential election is a whole different matter. The GOPers just can’t stop themselves from revealing their crazy. People are taking notice.

killgoretrout

AdLib – I think those Victorian values are over, and yes, if Dems actually VOTE, they won’t win. KT – Rand Paul is beyond amazing in his perfidy!!!

choicelady

Murph,THX,I hope it happens,but even then,the house fu++s everything up!

Beatlex

Does anyone think Rand Paul will even make it to the primary? Seems he steps on his crank every day. He walked out of an interview with the Guardian today. Rand “walkabout” Paul.

glenn

Beatlex _ We might even throw those suckers out. But it will take a concerted effort from the Dems, and I’m not sure they’re up to it. Bring back Howard Dean!!!

choicelady

AdLib – It’s not just Republicans. Schumer, Booker, Cardin and of course the sponsors of both bills are on the side of Boehner, the RWNJs and Netanyahu. We’ve had a campaign on Twitter to flood these Dems with our email, tweets and calls.

sabreen60

What a great word to describe Paul. He is a spolied little punk with a real sense of grandeur. A very false sense of grandeur.

killgoretrout

glenn – I’d be surprised if Rand gets anywhere.

choicelady

Sabreen – I have no idea if Schumer and Booker even notice. but they’d BETTER.

choicelady

Rand wants to dad, but better. Just like that little shit W.

killgoretrout

Wants to BE dad.

killgoretrout

KT – I think Rand is seriously mentally ill.

choicelady

I am back. HI SABREEN

murphthesurf3

KT – I don’t think Ron Paul’s wrapped too tight either.

choicelady

Ad–the worry, I think, is legislators trying to change how the electoral college votes are counted in states. This is the big issue coming up, IMO, and I hope the press will cover it. I know Rachel Maddow is on it, but haven’t heard much from the “mainsream” press about it.

glenn

Hi everybody!

funksands

Hey Funk, how are you?

glenn

He suffers under some very grand delusions, for sure. He can’t deal with the media at all, even when they are being mild in their questioning. He’ll never be able to handle the really tough questions that a presidential candidate is eventually confronted with.

killgoretrout

AdLib – that’s why on Twitter I press the point – if you know someone needing ID, take them, pay for it if you must, register them, then drive them to the polls. If each of us did that for one or two others, we’d have no problems.

choicelady

cl so if he is ill then how far over the fuckin edge is somebody like Carson or Cruz. holy shit!

Harleigh

Hello Funk

murphthesurf3

Rand Paul is dagerous, he has the 16-year old libertarian vote locked up

funksands

CL – I think Schumer noticed. The day after Twitter bombed him, his “aide” made a statement about how good the bill is and how it will strengthen the Iran deal. Of course, it was bullshit, but he needed to say something. MoveOn, Credo and several Democratic organizations are fighting these backstabbers.

sabreen60

Hi Murph. How’s things?

funksands

Harleigh – I did not say I thought the others were sane!!! We have a boatload of deeply troubled candidates on the GOP side!

choicelady

Hiya Funk!

sabreen60

Hi Murph!

sabreen60

Hey kitty. How’s the Old Line State today?

funksands

Sabreen – that’s good to hear. I’m not a wild fan of MoveOn, but this is a very good campaign against Schumer’s treachery.

choicelady

CL you are really being polite about that lineup! LOL

Harleigh

KT–Speaking of not being able to handle media questions; did you all see where a KG teacher told Christie the other day that if he wants to run for President he’d better tone down the bully act? Loved it!

glenn

AdLib – I’ve met Schumer on choice issues (he’s very good there) and STILL thought you were spot on about him.

choicelady

Ted Cruz is just taking the place of Rick Santorum. Cruz will suffer the same fate. He is just too religiously fanatical and he doesn’t realize that that sort of religious fanaticism won’t go over for the young voter. His supporters are a dying breed, in their late stages of life.

killgoretrout

Harleigh – I try to be polite. I TRY….

choicelady

Funk – How did you know that nickname. You ARE impressive

sabreen60

Funk….good….I filled Ad Lib in on Ferguson at the start….and I had a meeting earlier this week with the leader of the Lysistrata Ladies (recall them in 2012, a group of GOP women tired of the GOP who worked with me on the election and were inspired by Lysistrata) – well she (and with a few others ) has convinced me to get Ready for Hillary.d

murphthesurf3

KT – I think it’s fascinating that Cruz’s idea of “the base” actually is the GOP fringe. The base is not that wacko for EVEN the GOP.

choicelady

KT–Ted Cruz says fact checkers are “yellow journalists”.

glenn

FUNK!!!! How are you?

choicelady

glenn – I just saw that about fact checkers. Still doubled over laughing!!!

choicelady

Sabreen, my mom lives in Maryland. I’m out there every once in a while

funksands

Hi Choice! Long time baby.

funksands

Rands first 3 interviews have exposed him as a very thin skinned person.Doesn’t sound like Presidential material,period.

Beatlex

Awww, they’re adorable!

funksands

AdLib!!! That is TOO FUNNY!

choicelady

You all know how to make a Paultini? Its an interesting drink.

funksands

Ha! That’s a good point CL. I think that’s why Santorum didn’t go any further than he did. The GOP just refuses, in general, that their amassed ideology is being left behind by a natural, social evolution.

killgoretrout

1 oz of the finest bitters

funksands

funk – I’ll bit – how do you make a Paultini

choicelady

2 oz of the finest Kentucky Bourbon

funksands

A splash of the finest brandy

funksands

1 gallon of battery acid

funksands

It really tastes good if you ignore the battery acid.

funksands

Paul and Christie as a ticket….both thin skinned and mean.

murphthesurf3

funk!!!

choicelady

CL – Nor am I. But I’m glad to see some of these Democratic organizations taking a stand. Never before has a President been denied the right to negotiate foreign policy. These backstabbers are going to screw everything up. You’ve got the majority of foreign policy wonks saying this Iran deal is a good deal. So why are these dudes siding with Netanyahu?

sabreen60

AdLib – why choose? Both are downhome NUTS!

choicelady

Funk–but doesn’t a Paultini run out the door when you spill it?

glenn

Ad, Kansas for sure.

funksands

A Paultini is made with a dose of inferiority, garnished with a sense of being better than dad, and a splash of incompetency.

killgoretrout

Funk….did you see my post to you here.

murphthesurf3

Sabreen – I think people who call out the loyalty to Israel over the USA are spot ON.

choicelady

Oh god Glenn, don’t spill it, you’ll eat a hole in your floor…

funksands

glenn – a Paultini if imbibed burns your guts out.

choicelady

KT–good one.

glenn

Just now Murph. Really? You in?

funksands

Funk–OMG, if it eats a hole in your floor, then better not drink it. I think I’ll stay on the “Obama kool-aid” as the cons say.

glenn

Ah ha, Funk, been holding out on me. And here I’ve been waiting for us to get together.

sabreen60

Choice, that too. It’s really just best to look at it.

funksands

The Paultini doesn’t help you feel better, or taste good. It just leaves you screaming in the darkness.

killgoretrout

funk – the green, gaseous glow of a Paultini is awesome to behold!

choicelady

Kansas may just be in a class of their own.

killgoretrout

AdLib – Kansas is about to take the national lead in crazy.

choicelady

Sabreen, I’m game. I should be out there this summer/fall-ish to give the lady a visit. Where in MD are you?

funksands

funk – I’m coming your way in later July. Let’s coordinate if we can FINALLY.

choicelady

Choice, it really is delicious if you just ignore the acid. Everyone will tell you that

funksands

Floriduh has the most crazy. of anywhere

Harleigh

Funk….people in my life who I value are and I see no altenative. I want Molloy and Sanders and Chafee in the race for debate and issue widening but they will not be able to keep up with her….so I am in, not enthusiastic but committed.

murphthesurf3

Caution, a Pultini may leave you baying at the moon and wearing pubic hair on your head.

killgoretrout

funk – the first steps in the recipe were fine. Yup. Battery acid not so much.

choicelady

Don’t get my hopes up!!

funksands

Brownback is a real nutcase.

killgoretrout

AdLib – what can you expect from a state led by the man who anointed Rick Perry as God’s chosen for President in 2012?

choicelady

Sabreen–saw a headline today–didn’t have time to read the article–by Cenk Unygar (sp?) where he says the repubs will give PBO a free rein with war, but they want to oversee the peace! So true!

glenn

KT, that is awesome! LOL

funksands

funk – we’ll talk.

choicelady

Shore

funksands

Hey Funk! Good to see ya. Thanks!

killgoretrout

We’ll be around. Not doing any traveling that month. We never leave Seattle in July

funksands

KT, back at ya.

funksands

Funk – that should work. I’ll write you when we pin it down later this weekend.

choicelady

Murph, it is hilary or nobody, there is nobody on the bench, on deck, in the dugout or the locker room. All the GOP has is crazytown.

Harleigh

Ad, I think Kansas will keep digging until the they get to 1890

funksands

funk, they are very close to hittin paydirt!

killgoretrout

funk – wasn’t the 1890s the Kansas heyday? Forward to the Past! The entire GOP slogan!

choicelady

Murph, I’m not committed yet. I have so many conflicting feelings about her candidacy that I simply pretend that it isn’t happening yet

funksands

Police Shootings….I like in a county in Mo. that has nary a one….now we have lots of crime and lots of “low lifes” but our sheriff’s deputies are excellent….some of the best police I have ever experience….I asked one of my friends who is a senior Deputy Sheriff how come. His answer: Our Sheriff. Careful selection of deputies. Good training. No Miiltarization. Precise Protocols. Retraining regularly. Community Policing as the Goal. AND careful psychological screening.

murphthesurf3

glenn – I thnk that’s true. But the stupids don’t have a plan for who exactly will fight their war. They’ll have to bring back the draft.

sabreen60

Harleigh my logic as well.

murphthesurf3

Murph – that’s impressive!

choicelady

AdLib – They kind of didn’t mention it….

choicelady

Funk – Silver Spring, MD

sabreen60

Sabreen–I don’t think the stupids will be bothered if they have to bring back the draft, as long as their relatives don’t get drafted. And they’ll somehow write the law to be sure their relatives don’t get drafted.

glenn

AdLib – both Cruz and Rand were anointed as God’s chosen by Cruz’s daddy. Let’s see if this works any better…

choicelady

Real savings could be realized by eliminating all red state welfare like socialist roads, snow removal, bridges, tunnels, clean water, sewage treatment, and flood control. All Medicaid, ACA HC, NIH, CDC involvement, food inspection, farm subsidies, SNAP, FEMA and EPA should be eliminated in those states along with money for fire, police and prison services. Most military installations in those states are total waste and need to be closed or consolidated into the blue states. The biggest waste of money in the red states is for education. While that spending has been greatly lowered the remainder could go to the richest 1% allowing all those 99% children to go work in factories or in warehouses or on the poison laden farms. Praise jebus!

Harleigh

ad, I think god had at least three in the running then. That supreme being has a wonderful sense of humor.

killgoretrout

Murph, how much extra does that cost them in the budget? Do they talk about the financial cost or time cost of adhering to that admirable program?

funksands

“Covered Wagon? Where we’re going we won’t need covered wagons”

funksands

Good sentiment Harleigh,won’t happen though

Beatlex

Murph–that’s awesome about your sheriff’s department! Too bad departments like that don’t get more publicity.

glenn

Choice. The sheriff is retiring and the fear is that we are going to get a gung hoer who will want us to “catch up” with the rest of the region, which of course means joining them in their repressive measures.

murphthesurf3

Harleigh – Jesus has NOTHING to do with the Red State Dominionists! They’d lynch him in a Mississippi second, that damned zozializt.

choicelady

Murph – OMG I am sorry to hear that!

choicelady

Harleigh, just the thought of that gets you ramped up doesn’t it?

funksands

Harleigh–that should be your platform when you run for office!

glenn

Jesus, that dirty hippie communist/socialist

killgoretrout

Murph, why wouldn’t one of the carefully screened deputies take over? Or is it an elected position?

funksands

Funk when you are not buying lots of heavy duty weapons and sending your people on survivalist training, the money is there.

murphthesurf3

Bias. Back in a second

killgoretrout

Smoke one for me KT

funksands

Harleigh…..I like your logic….Red States should get their way….cut out ALL of the programs they object to.

murphthesurf3

Harleigh you’re onto something here – as with Right to Work I’m FINE with that so long as the idiots who do not join a union also get NONE of the benefits from the union. You think you’re hot shit? Bargain on your own, defend yourself on your own. If you hate gubmint in DC – take nothing. Sure – reduce your taxes but get NOTHING from the feds. And see how you like the Social Darwinistic existence you will get.

choicelady

X, is the fair 51st managing to resist the tide of toxic conservatism? I’ve heard that things are getting a bit squirrely up north.

funksands

Funk…elected and the Tea Party has been waiting for this.

murphthesurf3

AdLib – they don’t even have to secede – they just have to live by their principles of NO benefits from DC.

choicelady

Glenn…the man is low key but deserving ofpraise.

murphthesurf3

Ah. Too bad.

funksands

cl agree 1,000%

Harleigh

I like Haleigh’s idea as much as the next guy, but we’ll need to start an underground railroad for the rational folk to get out and resettle

funksands

AdLib – I can see that. The better word is ‘delusions’. SORRY!!!!

choicelady

I wish Funk! I haven’t smoked any weed in over 5 years now. I sure do miss it.

killgoretrout

Ad….he is a good man who replace a fellow who though he was in the Old West and dressed the part…..this guy, in his 15th year models his office on the FBI.

murphthesurf3

Murph–wouldn’t it be nice if your sheriff could become a “consultant” to other police departments once he retires?

glenn

Whaaaa? KT, not even edibles? I get no smoking, but nuthin’?

funksands

Glenn….good idea.

murphthesurf3

Glenn, that is a good idea.

funksands

Nah funk. I wouldn’t even know where to get it these days. But I do intent to change that bleak scenario, soon.

killgoretrout

AdLib – yes, that IS the problem.

choicelady

I read a tweet that said the Civil War is not over. So if that’s the case, maybe those states should secede.

sabreen60

Ad, yeah most of fantasies end up with good people getting…. uh…

funksands

KT, come out to the west. Wide open skies, room to breathe, low humidity and legal weed.

funksands

Funk–with good people getting “clustermucked”?

glenn

Sabren – yesterday was the 150th anniversary of the surrender at Appomatox. I bet a lot of good ol’ boys were heavily drinking. I do with they’d leave, and we’d offer total sanctuary to those wanting to flee.

choicelady

Didn’t you say you wanted to be closer to your daughter? Is it your mom keeping you in the east?

funksands

Ad Lib. He is.

murphthesurf3

Glenn, I think I should just pass on that

funksands

No Murph, they south lost and they will continue to have sour grapes for years to come. At least until the old racist fucks die off and technology establishes itself.

killgoretrout

It is a good idea to secede the entire Texassissippianahomasas region for several reasons; 1. The average IQ of the remainder of the nation would go up at least 30 points. 2. The average median income would go up over $10,000. 3. The average educational level would go from 6th grade dropout to college level. 4. We would save hundreds of billions in waste on their education, welfare and infrastructure. 5. Their new kuntry could be called teabaggertopia, or Neojebusland or Concrapia maybe. The Texassissippianahomasas region has already been rejected by Mexico saying that accepting all those teabaggers in that region would greatly reduce their national standards.

Harleigh

“All Ah know is that Ah didn’t surrender to no Grant”

funksands

Funk We have an election coming,probably by October,There is hope that the Liberals will win,but Harper is cagey.And he has not managed the economy badly.So,it will be close

Beatlex

CL – Yeah. They said the surrender should never have happened.

sabreen60

All – I’ve said before, everyone should read “Confederate Reckoning” by Stephanie McCurry about how the Confederacy screwed WHITE people who were not rich. It’s a powerful book aimed at eliminating the mytholody. It hasn’t had nearly a wide enough audience.

choicelady

X, good luck with that. Harper is Koch North. He’s comparatively better than our lunatics, but he’s still bad news

funksands

Ad, HELL no. All they get is South Dakota and they’ll just have to like it.

funksands

Harleigh….you are TOO MUCH but I love it. So clever. How do you come up with this stuff.

murphthesurf3

AdLib – I have friends in all those states, good people. They are frantic over the Red turns each is taking.

choicelady

Choice, VERY good point. I will check that out. I read a great piece on that a couple of years ago that really opened my eyes

funksands

“Concrapia” LOL

funksands

eventually, technology, the media and the rational thinkers and their adherents will kill the old south. That’s exactly what they are so afraid of. They see it coming. The question is, how long will it take? Not long, in my opinion. Not compared to pre-internet age.

killgoretrout

funk – I met Stephanie years ago. She is a powerful and wonderful writer.

choicelady

Okay folks, time to call it a night. I hope everyone has a good weekend. Take care and I look forward to chatting with you all soon.

glenn

KT – we said that about technology and the influx of northerners to do business in the “New South”. It did not work then. I am not sure it will work now.

choicelady

funk,yes,he is NOTHING like American conservatives,but he is beholden to differnt factions.And they are going backwards on our penal system

Beatlex

Good night, glenn – sleep well and have a wonderful weekend.

choicelady

Sabreen, my mom is about 30 miles N. of Baltimore, but I’m dropping into DC for a couple of days, SS is really close isn’t it?

funksands

Sorry, but I goot ago as well. g’night glenn and all.

pinkpantheroz

Good night Glenn.Great conversation tonight.

murphthesurf3

Well Murph I am hoping for a Palin – Bachmann ticket because they think they can hear Jebus! It’s really just the bats in their heads asleep and snoring! They are a riot.

Harleigh

Night Glenn

funksands

G’day Pink

funksands

Goodnight OZ!

Beatlex

TaaaaTaaaa PPO.

murphthesurf3

Hi and goodbye, funk!

pinkpantheroz

nite guys

Harleigh

Beatlex – I lived in Sidney, NS for a time, and found that because their cable TV came from Detroit they all thought there was a huge crime wave. Actually – nothing at all happened there, but they got scared.

choicelady

Good night to all of you who are bailing! Have a great week.

sabreen60

Good night PPO! See you soon I hope!

choicelady

CL, have faith. I think it is already starting to work. There has never been such easy access to info in the history of the world. A lot of the change will come about by the diminishing of so called religious truth. Young people today are increasingly turning away fro organized religion, and are beginning to think for themselves and/or exploring alternatives.

killgoretrout

KT, too many rational people moving into Alabama and Georgia for the good weather. Same in Texas. Soon only the truly benighted coal states are going to harbor the worst of us

funksands

AdLib – Rand is portraying himself as a MOD???? Well that escaped MY notice!

choicelady

KT – that[‘s true nationally, but I’m NOT sure it’s true in the deep south.

choicelady

Ignorance is what keeps people enslaved, and that surely includes mental slavery!

killgoretrout

It sure would help if we had a honest MSM instead of infotainers.

sabreen60

KT, sometimes a generation just needs to die off for permanent change to take place

funksands

I have faith CL. Faith in the power of reason.

killgoretrout

funk – those ‘coal states’ are actually doing some amazingly progressive stuff such as creating union worker coops. Biggest movement is in Cincinnati – Boehner’s turf – and is changing the world. They are light years ahead of the West.

choicelady

KT – I do, too, but I’m not feeling it for the deeply Red states.

choicelady

CL,interesting,I guess fear rubs off

Beatlex

CL really? On the surface they just seem be dragging themselves back into the dark, electing more and more odious candidates

funksands

Beatlex – it was a very odd experience to know what they thought and why – and to see the disconnect.

choicelady

True funk. The problem with most intransient bigotry is that it is passed down from parent to child, and community, but I think the internet will change that. Knowledge is power.

killgoretrout

funk – the work on the ground is far better than anything at all in CA. FAR better. That’s how real change happens.

choicelady

Interesting

funksands

It will happen CL. It may take a decade or so, but it will happen. Reason and knowledge trumps bullshit, every time.

killgoretrout

I’ll just have to take your word for it.

funksands

AdLib – I agree – he’s making himself unelectable because he’s so dishonest.

choicelady

adlib,Rand has a fatal flaw for a pol,a thin skin!

Beatlex

funk – pretty soon I hope I will post about the work going on in northern even Red states to create worker ownership. It’s far better than ANY worker cooperatives we have in CA that are comprised of smug middle class people opting out – until they get bored.

choicelady

X, for sure. That will really wear him down quickly. No one likes someone who can’t handle themselves on the friggin Today show. If he’s a serious candidate, and I don’t think he really is, his “handlers” will set him straight

funksands

Found this….the Pau/Christy ticket.

murphthesurf3

How can anyone in TX OK or KS explain their total stupidity! Gomert or any repub TX… Brownback buried KS…. they really are gonna get it bad.

Harleigh

murphthesurf3

Rand walked out of an interview and then said it was CNN’s fault because they turned off the lights.

sabreen60

Murph!

choicelady

Rand makes the same mistake as Cruz makes. They both think they are the smartest people in the room. The reality is far from it.

killgoretrout

Ha!

funksands

AdLib – I do think this is the bottom of the swing, yes.

choicelady

Murph too

sabreen60

TRUMP!!! LOL

Harleigh

AdLib – that said, I do NOT think they’re going without a huge fight!

choicelady

In what manner are they going to fight the truth, CL? I mean overwhelming truth.

killgoretrout

Ad, I think it will be significantly worse. We are going to approach levels of insanity never seen before in modern politics

funksands

Anyone see Rachel tonight on the 1995 Amtrak disaster? The FBI are ramping up the investigation of domestic terrorism again – interesting.

choicelady

I have a neighbor who is a Big Time Paulini….he keeps trying to lure me in by saying that Paul is the “smart guys candidate” and he really believes it.

murphthesurf3

Ad, you’ve given Ted Cruz his new slogan: “Cruz 2016: I’m Not a Little Bitch”

funksands

Murph – well of course he does. He thinks HE is a smart guy. So it stands to reason that his candidate would be, too. Both, of course, are delusional!

choicelady

Ad, he is a pampered little shit that has had no real resistance in his life. He has certainly been shielded from the realities of life. He is already self destructing.

killgoretrout

funk!

choicelady

CL…..good read on the matter.

murphthesurf3

Murph, a couple of my very good friends are rabid Paulites. I always tease them about it.

funksands

Paul is so smart he created an organization so that he could certify himself.

sabreen60

Perry!!! and Santorum again!!??? LOL no way….. it can’t be that good.

Harleigh

Sabreen, maybe Newt could sell him an award!

funksands

KT – I keep seeing Rand at the debate stamping his widdle footie in frustration!

choicelady

I think Jeb is the R’s best hope,Walker has a bad record in his state,the rest are clowns or are tainted in some way

Beatlex

i have to say, just in general, I liked the older version of VOX. It’s too hard to keep up with each new comment now.

killgoretrout

harleigh – take heart! Santorum can’t find a nickle’s worth of funding. He’s toast.

choicelady

Did anyone see Liz Warren on Maher tonight….she is so smart and so well spoken and so insightful.

murphthesurf3

KT – it is all fast moving, but that’s due to us all writing so fast!

choicelady

CL, he’s already done it, but in a very less noticeable fashion. You are right though, it may come to that.

killgoretrout

Randy told Maddow that he’s against the part of the Civil Rights Act that says private businesses cannot discriminate. Somehow, that’s a deal breaker for me.

sabreen60

AdLib – that is THE perfect Teddy slogan!!!

choicelady

Face it, Bush v. Clinton is the most likely outcome in the national election. And I want to stab my eye out over it. If THIS is the best our political system can produce after the untold carnage that both of those administrations wreaked, then we are se

funksands

cL, yeah, but the old format was easier to go back and see what was being written.

killgoretrout

Sabreen – he’s carried that meme into so many realms. It’s all about the rights of private property – and personal liberty has NO place for him in that.

choicelady

CL dang! Maybe we could get Alan West to jump in! oh please jebus! I pwomise I’ll be good!

Harleigh

New doesn’t always mean better.

killgoretrout

-seeing a truly chronically ill electoral system. Another Bush? Another Clinton? After the carnage their administrations caused? Jeebus!

funksands

Harleigh!!! Do NOT encourage West please!!!

choicelady

Sorry Ad, I know you worked hard on the new format, but I really think the older one worked better.

killgoretrout

KT – the old one used to jam though. This is very fast but reliable.

choicelady

West is just as crazy but more unstable than Carson.

Harleigh

How about Stone Crazy Cruz?

killgoretrout

AdLib – another winner, AdLib! I see a great future for you in Cruz campaign slogans if you can control your gag reflex!

choicelady

KT – AdLib – maybe it’s my computer but this non stop rolling when people are typing is driving me to drink — more!

sabreen60

Holy crap the Mariners are getting killed

funksands

adlib,you are right,but who else from the right has a chance?

Beatlex

funk – you’re with us AND watching the Mariners? Wow – multitasking galore!

choicelady

I don’t know CL. It didn’t jam until the changes were being made. The transition was what caused the stalls.

killgoretrout

I’m spry

funksands

Funk – I feel you. Even though O’Malley is making noises, I really don’t think he has a chance.

sabreen60

Harleigh, for sure. Carson’s crazy, West is unstable

funksands

Exactlly Sabreen. It’s too fast. And it doesn’t always show up the next day for review.

killgoretrout

Sabreen, you like him? I like most of his positions, but what do you think of the guy? I get mixed reviews

funksands

Malloy, Sanders, and whoever else will be sparring partners for Hillary AND they will broaden the discussion.

murphthesurf3

Ad, that’ll give you material for the next 2 years

funksands

AdLib – Ahhhhh…Fiorina. I can’t wait to see “demon sheep lady” do her THANG.

choicelady

BBL – Hope you’re still here.

sabreen60

Murph, I sure hope so. That is ESSENTIAL

funksands

Sabreen – hope to see you but if not later then.

choicelady

adlib there’s like over 20 ‘possibles’! Run for the money and swing support at their cornvention.

Harleigh

Funk, I actually think that Malloy may be trying out for VP.

murphthesurf3

Exactly Murph. That’s why Sanders will be a good candidate. He. as an avowed socialist, will not be nominated, but he will bring much needed ideas to any debate….providing he will be allowed to debated.

killgoretrout

Murph, O’Malley? Sure. Why not?

funksands

DId any of you see Maher tonight pledge one million to Liz Warren?

murphthesurf3

The republican field IS a joke! POPCORN!

Beatlex

Fiorina has been fired more than me, so she’s got one on me.

funksands

No way! Really? Murph, I think it may be cause Bill is hot for her. Whatever it takes though.

funksands

Maher actually donated to Warren, or just said he will? He must know that she is not going to run, unless he has some sort of inside infor that the rest of us do not have.

killgoretrout

Ad, he sure seems to have cooled his jets over the last several weeks. My imagination?

funksands

Funk, the audience went wild….she is really pushing the economic justice issue and naming Hillary in it all.

murphthesurf3

Maybe the women at the beauty shop will tell carly ‘no chance in hell’, bitch. lol

Harleigh

I’ll have to watch that.

funksands

KT…he made the pledge to her when she was on the show IF she ran.

murphthesurf3

Fiorina is delusional if she thinks she’s got a chance in hell of the nomination. I think this is just job-trolling. She’s almost as bad as Trump

funksands

ad she may be able to crash everything better than bush!

Harleigh

So would I Ad. I don’t really think Hillary is the repub in disguise that a lot of people think. She is not Bill, I think she must see the world differently, just as a woman. That may be a good thing. Men have fucked up for millenia now. Maybe a woman could provide a more nuturing, yet hard approach. Hillary is no pussy, that’s for sure. She’s also no dummy.

killgoretrout

Ad….you are SOOOOO quick.

murphthesurf3

funksands

funksands

KT….her language is less colorful than yours but my Lysistrata Lady friend said pretty much the same thing as you did.

murphthesurf3

Funk, are you drawing a blank?

murphthesurf3

Ad, he’s been saying that for some time now. I surely would like for him to throw his hat into the ring.

killgoretrout

Ad….very welcome…most deserved.

murphthesurf3

funksands

Well Murph, I don’t know about the Greek reference, but I do think it’s time for the supposed most powerful nation on earth, to adopt a wee bit of the feminie touch.

killgoretrout

There ya go Funk! Homer? Are you putting him forth as a potential candidate?

murphthesurf3

LMAO @ homer

Harleigh

KT, that I agree with. I just wish I could really believe that her actual policies are going to be different. Maybe I’m biased because of my low opinion of her husband

funksands

Lysistrata led a revolt of the women against the men to stop a war.

murphthesurf3

I would LOVE for a woman to win the Presidency. That desire is in constant conflict with who I perceive Hillary to be.

funksands

I’d still vote for over anyone the GOP trots out.

funksands

for *her*

funksands

Ad, I keep hearing that, but we have yet to see what she will do if elected. Every candidate that wins faces real eye openers once in office, and to Hillary’s favor, she has seen, first hand, what being in charhe at the west wing entails. No president is on their own. Look to the cabinet and her closest advisors both public and private.

killgoretrout

Ad….Bernie is an idea guy….his record of legislative success is very small but it is his thinking that will push the bubble.

murphthesurf3

I’m baaack!

sabreen60

Murph, Bernie has some really humanistic ideas and ideals. Both are equally important.

killgoretrout

I’m suspecting that my opinion of her is also colored by who she surrounded herself with in her last race. Scumbags and retreads. I’ve had enough of those thank you.

funksands

Well Hil was the first lady so dosen’t she already know the truth about the aliens?

Harleigh

KT….I like and admire Bernie.

murphthesurf3

funk, it’s never good to presuppose. She may surprise you.

killgoretrout

And the grassy knoll

funksands

KT, that comment cuts both ways

funksands

Who else in the dem party has a chance at winning. If we don’t win, we can’t accompish much at all.

killgoretrout

She certainly was a better SOS than I thought she’d be. As a matter of fact I thought she was pretty damn good.

funksands

Really funk? please explain?

killgoretrout

funk I’m going with the drain cover on that one! LOL

Harleigh

She can also surprise to the negative.

funksands

I want to trust Hillary. But…..I have a bitter taste. She’s done a lot of shit. Plus she’s hawkish.

sabreen60

Of course, but what is the alternative? Who is the alternative? Let’s be real here.

killgoretrout

KT, no doubt. You don’t even have to try to convince me of that. If she wins the primary, I’ll vote for her against any of the ass-clowns the GOP puts up.

funksands

I’d vote for her husband against any of those yahoos for that matter

funksands

The Hillary Alternative……

murphthesurf3

Thanks AdLib. Hillary was a member of “C Street”, too.

sabreen60

Sabreen, I am not a hawk, by a long stretch, but I will say that the world IS a dangerous place, and not filled with peace loving people. A certain amount of fight has to be present in our dealings with the rest of the world. Look at the national symbol. The eagle with olive leaves in one claw, and arrows in the other. This is the reality of the world. I don’t think Hillary would ever make the same disasterous blunders that bush and cheney did. She is much, much smareter than they were/are.

killgoretrout

From listening to President Obama’s supporters on blogs and twitter, if Hillary distances herself from him, she won’t be able to count on their $$$.

sabreen60

Sabreen, I think that is just a threat. In the long run. it will come down to dem money and repub money and any grass roots contributions they can get. The dems always have to rely more on grass roots contributions.

killgoretrout

KT – She did vote to go in Iraq. And I’m not so sure she would have worked as hard as PBO on diplomacy with Iran. Of course, I don’t know that, but I do have doubts.

sabreen60

KT – It’s not a threat with me. If she disrepects the President and all the good this administration has accomplished, she won’t get a dime from me. She won’t need my dime, anyway. She’ll all the big time Democratic corporate donors.

sabreen60

Isn’t C Street the outfit that thinks jebus is living in a pyramid in the moon?

Harleigh

funksands

funksands

AdLib – Here’s the thing. Iran doesn’t have nukes, but Israel does. So all this hype about Iran nuking Israel is just stupid.

sabreen60

Sabreen, they were all lied to about Iraq. Obama wasn’t even in Congress to vote, at the time. This always bothered me about Obama’s claim to be against the decision to invade. He was never faced with actually being on record at the time. Don’t get me wrong. I like president Obama, but that was a purely political move on his part, and he is, after all is said and doe, a politician.

killgoretrout

Ad, at this point, as far as 2016 goes, Obama is pretty much irrelevant, as far as campaigns go.

killgoretrout

KT, I certainly don’t agree with that. I think he’s going to loom pretty large. Anyone that pulls a 2000 Gore with Obama is going to get similar result IMO

funksands

Ad, I agree with that.

killgoretrout

KT – There were Democrats in Congress who didn’t vote for the Iraq war. Therefore, I’ll take PBO at his word when he said he was against the war.

sabreen60

ad that’s a total whackdoodle group! Hill is in that club!? no way…. say it ain’t so….

Harleigh

Funk, I don’t think it will matter that much. Those who judge Hillary by Bill or Obama, will be making judgements that are spurious at best.

killgoretrout

Still here…just reading the discussion……leaning from it.

murphthesurf3

If PBO wanted to be politically correct, seems to me he wouldn’t have taken a position on the war one way or the other. “The following is a transcript of the remarks then-Sen. Barack Obama delivered in Chicago on Oct. 2, 2002. In his speech, Obama said that what he was opposed to was “a dumb war … a rash war.” He said the war was a “cynical attempt” to shove “ideological agendas down our throats” and would distract from domestic problems such as poverty and health care.”

sabreen60

ad that’s certainly a possibility

Harleigh

In 2014 most of the Democrats who ran away from PBO lost.

sabreen60

Ad, the smartest thing she’ll do, (and she’s doing it already) is embrace the sensible moderate positions he’s taken and then expand on how she’ll do even better

funksands

She’s going to be running on the tail end of some positive news, even if it is a lot of glossy veneer

funksands

sabreen just brought to mind tammy Grimes. boy she blew it.

Harleigh

Hillary has no choice….she will be joined to Obama’s admin at the hip by the GOP….it is champion his agenda or lose his loyalists’ enthusiasm while gaining no additional support from another group.

murphthesurf3

True Sabreen, but overall, everybody was lied to. Hillary is not a pacifist, that’s for sure. I don’t want a pacifist as commander-in-chief. I do want a president who has accurate intel and the ability to know when it is best to stay out of a conflict or to engage in one. Histrory has proven Iraq was a huge mistake, but the lie was that it wouldn’t be a war. The lie was that it would be over in “six day, six weeks, or six months.” The lie continued by claiming that the Iraqis would greet us as liberators, and Iraqi oli would pay for the “war.” The whole thing was sold on a pack of lies. The absolute pacicifist congress people voted no. They were right, as history has shown, but I do not blame Hillary, or condemn her for wanting to protect the US. She was wrong in her decision. That doesn’t make he a hawk. Look at what she has done as Secretary of State.

killgoretrout

I am really curious to see where she lands on the TPP

funksands

TTP?

killgoretrout

TransPacific Trade Partnership

funksands

Ad, why, at this point, would she do that?

killgoretrout

Thanks funk!

killgoretrout

Unfortunately, all we’re going to get is Interminable Vince Foster and Benghazi questions

funksands

People do realixe, that global trade IS good for us? It may eliminate some jobs, but it creates many others. Global trade is good for the overall economy of the US. It’s a changing world folks.

killgoretrout

adlib,for sure,Grimes blew it big time

Beatlex

ad she even talked bad about the ACA that was a godsend to that pathetic state I lived in 40 years ago! LOL

Harleigh

Murph, I totally agree. I can name at least 4 pretty large blogs plus tweeter where PBO’s supporters are not sitting on their hands when comes to issues or individuals. They tore Schumer a new one on Twitter for backstabbing PBO. The man won twice with millions of votes. He’s got a lot of supporters out their. And people shouldn’t sell them short.

sabreen60

“out there”

sabreen60

Wayne LaPierre, the executive vice president of the National Rifle Association, focused more of his Friday speech at his group’s annual convention on attacks against likely presidential candidate Hillary Clinton instead of gun rights.He went through all of her “scandals” and jined them to “gate” This willbe teh GOP playbook.

murphthesurf3

More moderates than liberals voted for Obama. Someone should remember that

funksands

Self-described ‘moderates’ and “liberals” I should say

funksands

Harliegh, I tried to sign up for the ACA, and found out that may best price was 290 bucks a month. That, in my case is not affordable, in the least. I only get 1260 a month. I’d have to seriously cut down on food if I were to pay that much. Fortunately I am a veteran and get my healthcare from the VA.

killgoretrout

Not sure why. Just seems like something to remember

funksands

KT – that makes NO sense since it is pegged to your income. Someone’s leading you astray.

choicelady

AdLib – As I said 2014 should be a lesson to Democrats. We always manage to shoot ourselves in the foot. Why do some Democrats think that liberals will vote for Republican lite? Grimes not only denied Obama, she didn’t even want to admit she was a Democrat.

sabreen60

Ad, I really don’t see her doing that. I think she is much smarter than that. She’s not running for the junior senator of house rep.

killgoretrout

Sabreen – Grimes tried to play it safe, only played it stupid.

choicelady

Guys, I gotta bail. Thanks so much for the great convo! KT I really appreciate you driving it. I really enjoyed your perspective and learned something from it as well.

funksands

Ad, thanks for hosting, have a great saturday folks

funksands

later funk

Harleigh

‘Night funk! Have a good weekend.

choicelady

Ad, we also can’t discount her campaign managers and staff. I will admit that she didn’t run a very good campaign the last time, but I think she is also a person that learns from her mistakes. We can’t confuse her ability to win with her ability to govern.

killgoretrout

OUTSTANDING DISCUSSION YOU ALL….thank you.

murphthesurf3

Funk – 66 million voted for PBO in 2012. I don’t think the far left may have voted in huge numbers. But I’m not even sure what “moderate” Democrats are. I classify Democrats as far left, pragmatic, and Blue Dogs.

sabreen60

Vince Foster was responsible for Benghazi!

Harleigh

good night all – had a homeless guy looking for something to eat, and it did me in. Talk to you next week I hope!

choicelady

Harleigh – I’ve always suspected Vince of Benghazi

choicelady

Damn Harleigh! You solved the most important question int he entire history of the world! LOL.

killgoretrout

nite CL

Harleigh

Nite, choice…..

murphthesurf3

Good night everybody!

choicelady

Aren’t progressives supposed to look more to the future than the past?

killgoretrout

I’m out to folks. Good night everyone. Take care.

sabreen60

Grimes should be a lesson for Hillary.

murphthesurf3

Sweet dreams Sabreen!

killgoretrout

nite sabreen, i’m right behind you!

Harleigh

why does eveydody think Hillary is being so slow to announce? I think it is very smart of her and her campaign managers.

killgoretrout

Grimes is a good lesson for all democrats.

Harleigh

Time forme to pack it in as well….Good night, great discussion tonight!

murphthesurf3

Have a good night Murph!

killgoretrout

later murph

Harleigh

nite folks

Harleigh

We had major flooding this week and I am doing a lot of rapair work so I am pooped.

murphthesurf3

I think I will call it a night, as well. Thanks for the great conversation folks. Nobody has beaten a good night on VOX here at the Planet. Thanks to all!

killgoretrout

Wishing you all good weather…..whether that be rain or shine (different needs, different speeds)

murphthesurf3

And I could take a little sunshine for afew days but more rain to follow…..wanting it both ways.

murphthesurf3

Goodnight Planet! It was edifying

Beatlex

it was fun ad!

Beatlex