Vox Populi – 3-13-2015

Hey, Adlib! This Spring Forward/Fall Back is messing with my head, ‘cos I don’t know when we get started!

Hokay! Just checking the news for comments, not that there will be a dearth of those with the traitors on The Hill.

Well, almost! ‘the Fools on the Hill!”

Cotton with the foolish grin is sitting perfectly still, but nobody seems to like him and they think that he’s just a fool.

BRB, Smoko! ( smoke break)

Hi Ad–fools on the hill indeed.

Ad–we also have snakes in the grass called “cottonmouths”. Fitting, don’t you think?

And the excuses for signing this letter are coming fast and furious. My favorite is that it was a “joke”. Ha Ha!

Hey, glenn!

Hey PPO–I was waiting for you to get back from your smoko to say hello. How are you?

Well, glenn, thank goodness. Nice warm day here.

PPO–glad to hear it.

I hear that Putin has gone walkabout. I hear he was in for a rectum transplant, but it rejected him! Wonder if he’s going to sign the letter as well

Ad and PPO–Here’s a new one for me regarding our “favorite son” from Canada. Little teddy cruz. Seems he went to a meeting of firefighters to ignite a spark and the firefighters threw cold water all over his new idea. Did you know that teddy wants to abolish the IRS? And send the 100.000 or so IRS agents who lose their jobs to guard the southern border? Now, that’s presidential material–NOT!

PPO–Naw, Putin is going to address Congress on the merits of the Iran deal. After all, Russia is one of the 5+1 who are actually FOR the deal. Ironic, isn’t it? Repubs may have to choose between two of their “heroes”, putin and netanyahu.

glenn, it makes sense! Abolish the IRS, then the 1% don’t ever have to worry about taxes any mo….Oh, wait a minute! Come to think of it, if the IRS were abolished, all the Tax Lawyers and Accountants could defend the southern border as well. Works for me!

Ad–looking forward to your satirical article. There is a “reply from Iran” posted on crooks and liars. Loved it!

BRB again

PPO–Sure it makes sense in bizarro world. With no taxes, who is paying cruz’s salary? Who will pay for all those new “border patrol agents”? Who will pay for our military and our vets? I think little teddy failed Logic 101 at Harvard. Either that, or he saw the “L” at the beginning of the word and thought it meant “liberal” and we all know he wants nothing to do with liberals.

Ad–but as I said above, Russia is one of the 5+1 countries who are negotiating FOR the deal. But you may be right, the repubs would send the tweet anyway.

Ad–and once again, irony rears its ugly head. The firefighters union was one of walker’s biggest supporters in WI.

Ad–did you watch the tape? Normally, I can’t stand to watch any of cruz’s videos because I can’t stand his voice. But this tape was absolutely priceless when he paused, looked around for his applause, and got none! I actually enjoyed it so much, I watched it several times.

Ad–No, I’m sure that in repub world 5+1 equals an evil UN plot! What is that conspiracy theory they have about the UN? Doesn’t that add up to 5+1?

Ad–yup. I have no sympathy for the firefighers. They invited walker to their conference, but he declined to attend. Coward!

Ad–Also an article today where a retired general was interviewed and he says that the 47 are not treasonous; they are mutinous. And that he was surprised that cotton didn’t understand about the chain of command.

Ad–5+1=socialist muslim kenyan communist nazi+ black.

Did you watch rachel maddow tonight? According to her, Christie is toast! Seems like his “settlement” with Exxon is coming to bite him in the …. Apparently the people of NJ are just a tad upset that Exxon got a 95% “discount” on the deal, thanks to Christie.

Ad–LOL! Is that real math or just math you do as a republican to make yourself feel better?

Ad–yup. Republican budgeting at its finest.

Ad–listened to any good hip-hop lately? Be careful, it may turn you into a racist!

Ad–I keep wondering how these people get into office. The only silver lining I see is that when the vote is nationwide and for president, Dems finally show up. And when Dems show up to vote, Dems win. I’ m still so pissed at all those Dems who sat our the midterms. That’s why we have 47 senators like cotton. As you say, the idiots who put these people into office may be happy, but the rest of us have to suffer the consequences. I’m also still pissed at the DNC for not standing up for all Dem candidates, and for those Dem candidates, like Allison Lundergan Grimes in KY, who ran away from the President and f***ing lost!

I am here. Got this message when I tried to sign in: Access Denied Your IP address has been identified with spam activity and denied access. If this is a mistake, please use the contact form at this site to notify an administrator. SO…I fill out the form and it let me in.

Ad–so now you have a side of gsr to go with your g&t?

Murph–welcome! Glad you perservered!

Hello Planeteers. Hope everyone is well. Sign the petition #47Traitors: 279,609 and counting: https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petitions/popular/0/2/0/

Hey Sabreen–already signed.

Good for you glenn! Since the media is mum Twitter has been on fire.

Ad–back to the money. Do you think that’s where we are? That money will trump all, no matter how many Dems vote? I guess I’m still an optimist and believe that “we the people” can make a difference. Tilting at windmills, I guess!

AdLib, when I first tried to long on, I was called “SPAM”

Sabreen–I have seen the petition source and even articles about it at a couple of on-line sites I visit, but I guess television and newspapers aren’t covering it. I don’t watch much news on tv anymore.

All I can say is that anyone who voted for Cotton were out of their Cotton-picking mind!

glenn, I read online that 22 newspapers had very negative editorials about the traitors. However, corporate TV is pretty hush, hush. Of course, they’re all over Hillary’s emails.

Sabreen–I do watch Maddow and Stewart and Wilmore for news, but that isn’t news; it’s more analysis. But, I haven’t heard anything about the petition on those sources.

AdLib it was the chat window. I just closed my browser down and when I came back up, it was okay.

Ad, I got back in on a second try. Thank you

Ad, the spam thing happened to me yesterday as well.

Sabreen–Yes, newspapers are covering the letter, but not the petition. That’s what I meant. And, don’t you love all the excuses coming from the 47 now that they had their asses handed to them?

Ad Lib…I spoke a bit about the Red Map Project that did just that…turned state legislative districts red and that is the key to the disaster of 2010.

Ad, It seems to come up if you paste anything into a comment. It was on the site and I was in Time out

glenn – I haven’t heard anything about the petition either. The newspapers were about the letter. I don’t the petition is getting any coverage. I did read this petition has more signatures that any other – EVAH.

Murph–so how do we reverse that disaster? Ad and I were just talking about that.

AdLib, where?

Ad–So what is Obama’s reaction to the petition?

Oh and what did the President say about the petition. I just heard him mention the letter.

Sabreen: check this:

I’m surprised Breitbart would even mention it.

PPO–WOW and on Breitbart, no less.

Wouldn’t it be incredible if the 47 were stood down pending criminal charges!

AdLib – I doubt if anything will come of the petition. However, I just don’t want to see these traitors get a pass. What they did could be very dangerous, not to mention totally disrespectful to the President and the Constitution.

PPO–Went and took a quick look at it. “force the president to give the ‘far-left’ what they want”. Hmmm, I really didn’t think I was “far left” just “far fair”.

PPO, You were gone but, it’s 279,609 and counting. I would love to see it hit half a million.

Glenn and Ad…I was at a meeting yesterday as part of group that made three points. 1) The Dems cannot beat the GOP at the money game. 2) The Dems are going to have to admit that the party’s number one problem is that its base is not organized or disiplined. 3) It is going to have to address number with massive registration, photo ids and indoctrination (yes indoctrination) campaigns that instill the sense of purpose and discipline the GOP have. WE HAVE THE LARGER NATURAL BASE AND WE ARE LOSING, AND WILL LOSE UNLESS WE CHANGE OUR STRATEGY AND TACTICS RADICALLY….I.E. GO BACK TO WHAT WE DID IN THE VIETNAM WAR AND CIVIL RIGHTS STRUGGLES. This was a Democratic planning meeting and the “leadership” was not happy with us…at all…not at all.

Sabreen–I doubt it too. Don’t those 47 realize that they represent the US too? And that what they have said is the US cannot be trusted to keep its agreements? I just cannot fathom how a snowstorm could make you think this letter was a good idea. The snowstorm being John McCain’s excuse, dontcha know?

Ad, I don’t know Breitbart. I just googled the prez and petition

glenn, It’s Breitbart. Get much more conservative than that.

OK, Ad. At least they reported it!

Ad, I found Andrew Breitbart just what a media-starved nation needed

Amen Murph.

I hope you’re doing OK there in the Moscow General ICU, funk? Happy Friday, Planeteers!

Murph–The Dems tried the massive registration thing here in GA and while they did get many people registered, our republican SOS threw out almost as many. I can’t remember the numbers off the top of my head, but I know it was in the thousands. So, yes, voter registration is very necessary, but the actual voting is also necessary. Plus you have to get the registrations certified.

Hey Funk! How are you?

Kes, I’m here reporting on the stroke/coup/death of Putin. Very big news.

Murph – It’s like the President keeps saying. 36% of registered voted in the midterms. Maryland a bright blue state elected a Republican Gov because Dems sat home. We need the kind of organization that President Obama had during 2008.

Oh! Good to know you’re there in a journalistic role — I wouldn’t want to be a patient there. How IS Vlad the Impaler doing?

Glenn. I agree but Dem registration campaigns are amateurish and are not set up to repel GOP challenges. Begin with photo id’s. Get everyone registered and then focus on getting them to vote six months in advance.

Hiya Funk!

Kes, rumor has it that Putin’s been taken out because of his investigations into 9-11

Hey kes!

Hey kitty!

Hey, Sabreen! funk — any reason will do.

Ad- I hear you but the Oval Office without at least one House is frustration city. when does the GOP move on the electoral college en-masse and move to link electoral votes to electoral districts.

Hey, AdLib! Looks as though the Gang of 47 is having major buyer’s remorse.

Sab…your Maryland example is an excellent one. Same thing in Il.

Kes – McCain said that he signed the letter because he was in rush to leave town because of the snow.

The GOP lied us into eternal war, torture, 3 million Iraqi refugees, 1 million dead, 4K dead soldiers, an entire generation of broken soldiers, and spent 1 Trillion doing it. They now control both houses of Congress. No wonder they want eternal conflict.

Sabreen, and of course the snow was all Obama’s fault

Sabreen — I think he must have picked Palin for a running mate with the same level of good judgment.

The 47….this is not a matter of Treason but of a combination of indolence, unfiltered hatred for Obama, war lust, and a blissful ignorance and highly praised arrogance in regard to the operation of government.

Murph, they knew damn well what they were doing. They don’t care! Hard-liners just care about the ends, not the means.

Ad….if the GOP gainst more and more control of the state legislatures, how will redistriciting help us.

Murph, you forgot a few other things, especially mental illness!

Funk – I want to believe the voting machines are rigged – anything except people are dumb enough to vote for Republicans over and over. I mean even with voter suppression and gerrymandering, it’s still more of us then it is of them.

Funk….it is a mixed bag but those in control behind the scenes know how to pull the strings.

I read a little of Cotton’s bio. I think he’s a sociopath or psychopath. Seriously!

I’ve read that Cotton is basically the creation of William Kristol and his cronies. Lots and lots of $$$ from them to him.

PPO..there is something delusiona about a lot of this.

Problem is that I don’t think anyone knows how big a problem voter supression really is. That takes a lot of time to unpack.

Kes, we have 47 monkeys, but who are the organ grinders?

Sab…Arkansas trade a conservative dem for an off the wall GOP….who is likely to serve them better.

People like Sheldon Adelson and the Kochs, I think PPO!

Problem with our hard-liners is that they work cheap. Doesn’t take much to buy them off and make them march.

Funk – I agree. I believe they knew exactly what they were doing. They hoped this was ad Bibi and disrupt the peace talks with Iran.

Kes, I do wish that the contributions of those cretins were labeled as corruption and their asses kicked into jail

The number of swing districts has been reduced to less than 8 percent per Nate Silver.

Republicans don’t care if you think they’re liars, or crazy or stupid as long as they get what they want. Dems care.

So do I, PPO! What they’re doing is accepting bribes. That should be illegal.

Murph–so what is the implication of those only 8 swing districts? That they are solidly repub and can’t be “swung” or vice versa?

Money is speech Pink. That means Romney’s grandkids are born with more speech than mine. Just as Jefferson wanted.

Adlib, and all hogs are fully fueled and ready for takeoff!

sorry 8% swing districts

Funk, as us ppor types have laryngitis

PPO–so you’re saying pigs can fly?

And when you add in our bought and paid for media….

Glenn, swing translates as purple…so a mix of red and blue which red legislatures want to redraw as red.

I saw some amazing video of Cruz giving his typical Libertarian speech to a convention of firefighters, thinking he’d get enthusiastic applause. Total silence. Crickets. It happened over and over. He’d stop after saying “I’m going to abolish the IRS” (or something like) and — nada.

Pink just have wealthier parents. Simple

Kes, that would have been fun to watch.

Make it so, Ad

Kes–Ad and I were talking about that cruz video earlier. I thought it was hilarious!

BRB

I should try to find the link for you, glenn. It was funny — and weird at the same time!

Funk–yup little teddy wants to abolish the IRS and “reassign” the IRS agents to border patrol agents! Of course, who is going to pay for cruz’s salary and the “reassignment” if no taxes are coming in was not addressed.

Oh– you’ve already seen it then. His old tricks are just not working anymore. Ted looked even more confused than usual.

Ad…I do not want to base my hope on the GOP misusing power and the public waking up to it

Kes–I saw it. In fact, I watched it several times because I loved it so much.

Murph, I’m with you. Creeping normalcy has already set in with the GOP Congress. The public simply sees this Congress as how things are done. People can get used to a lot of abuse.

It was awesome. Like a really bad comedian having the worst flop-sweats ever!!

Ad–what’s with the pink screen behind him? I wondered about that when I watched the video.

That was it, AdLib!

*tough crowd*

Kes–I know, his beady little eyes kept looking around for someone–anyone–to applaud! No takers!

A few hecklers would have been nice. But maybe this was even better!

Funk…exactly so….given the general lack of context that most live with as normalcy the wrong headnedness of the current Congress is not at all clear.

Kes–Silence is golden, but laughter would have been even better than hecklers!

Laughter would have been good too. And maybe shoe hurling…?

Kes–do you think cruz has as fast a reaction time as gwb?

Wow! All Cruz needed to do was reach for some water.

If you get a chance to watch CRUZ AT THE FIREGIGHTERS UNION….in its entireity. The LONG pregnant pauses are excruiating. Where there are chuckles they happen at the end of a long periodof silence- clearly at his expense.

Murph–oh good, there were chuckles. He deserves it. Remember Chuckles the Clown?

He’s pretty dodgy, glenn. But these guys were firefighters. My money would be on them.

The GOP turning the public against them….maybe by raw numbers but the battle is in legislative districts constructed to be unassailable.

Murph–this is the problem, isn’t it? Even if we have the raw numbers, we still have those “unassailable” districts. However, that is all the more reason to turn out for every election!

Glenn…Cruz is sharp but when he meets a group that does not act as he expects he tends to freeze up and then look disdainful: You STUPID People!

LOL! Maybe a loud ticking sound too. And a guy with a long pole with a hook on the end of it to pull him off stage by the neck? Where is Simon Cowell when you need him?

If the answer is building the coalition and the farm team from the bottom-up (as I believe it is) the solution is many years off.

BRB

Murph – There most be a way. Do we have to wait until the next census to make changes.

Glenn….we are going to need a series of tsunami elections.

Sabreen, yes. Permanently changing the laws that underly most of these issues will take an act of Congress, which won’t happen.

Murph–I agree. I think the DNC puts too much emphasis on national elections and not enough on the local/state elections. That’s how we got to where we are now.

Aren’t some states looking at legislation that would force redistricting to be done by an impartial, independent panel?

Ad Libe – we are going to need a series of Tsunamis and that is not going to happen through PR blitizes, on the airwaves, on big events.

Kes–I have seen something about that, but if those states are red states, forget it!

Glenn….it was with the agents of the DNC that my group was arguing.

Kes–plus they have to get all of the anti-abortion and anti-gay legislation out of the way first.

Murph–Right, I understood that. Keep arguing with them, please!

True… that will keep them busy for several decades…

Good evening everyone – what crises abound tonight?

Hey, CL!

Hello CL!

Hi Choice….47 Varieties.

Call them Heinz – 10!

Hes kes, Sabreen, AdLib, Murph, funk, glennPPO! Did I miss anyone? So good to see everyone!

Hiya, CL. Good chats today.

Kes–there is hope, though. A Dem in Colorado has added a rider to the legislature’s anti-gay bill that says that those businesses who want to discriminate on “religious grounds” have to put a sign in the window saying, “We practice discrimination.”

At least some Senators are getting new nicknames. Now we have “Tehran Tom” (their version of Hanoi Jane) and “Snowball Inhofe.”

Hi Murph – I thought it was Heinz ONE variety with 47 ingredients?

CL- How to rid the country of baggers once and for all.

Sabreen – oh please, please tell me how we rid ourselves of baggers!

Oh, glenn! I saw that! That is great. If they’re going to discriminate, let them own it. In public.

Hey CL–We’re all here, but I’m not sure how much longer I’m staying.

glenn – sorry I’m so late we might get scant time to talk! Hope you’re well?

Cl…that is the Dem label, the 47 I am referring to is GOP

CL, I’m in and out with bits to do.

Kes–Yes, I thought it was a brilliant tactic!

CL–Yes, I’m well, thanks, and you?

Murph – I know those lovely, treacherous 47 GOPers

glenn – tired after two days on the road and a major fight with supposed allies today. Too old for the latter. Maybe too old for the former!

BRB – Gotta listen to Lena Horne sing Stormy Weather in that movie.

Sabreen – THAT is worth going away for!

CL–keep up the good fight! You’re never too old!

AdLib – LOL!!

So sorry to hear that you were hit by friendly fire today, CL!

kes – that’s EXACTLY what happened! glenn – thanks for the vote of confidence!

Can you talk about it, or would you rather not…?

funk – I see you’re in Moscow general ICU. Are you there with Snowden? Say howdy for us.

He says he’s sitting at Putin’s bedside, CL.

Ad–so what are we jumping off (of)?

kes – I will turn fogey and say there is a bill written by people who do NOT know what they are doing who blew me off and turned in a major POS. I wrote a letter blasting the bill, and now their feefees are all hurt. (They actually said they were hurt) They locked me OUT of the deliberation, are all under age 30, and I want to stomp on them with my old lady shoes.

kes – always figured Snowden would suck up to the manly man.

AdLib – after the day I’ve had, telling me to jump is PROBABLY not a good idea?

I(f I vanish, it may be tech-related. My ‘puter is slowing waaaay down all of a sudden.) Oh, CL…how disheartening. I have a feeling this will come back to haunt them. But that’s probably small consolation…

Speaking of jumping off, time for me to jump off, or in my case, totter off, to bed. G’night all. I hope everyone has a great weekend!

Nite nite glenn. Take care.

Sleep well, glenn! G’night!

Choice you have been fightting the fight I see.

kes – I am sorry about your ‘puter. But yes I agree. I’ll win. I just don’t want the work.

Good night, glenn – hope we can talk more next week!

Nite, glenn.

CL – I read you over at the Peoples View. Great articles by Spandan and your comments were spot on.

Murph – I am definitely fighting ageism. Some upstart kid lectured me about legislative codes. That is what I DO, and they do NOT, and I figure it’s like someone sniffily telling a neurosurgeon, :You know, the brain is part of the nervous system.” Grrrrr.

Those generational battles are always difficult because there seems to be an excessive amount of stereotyping involved. As in: “All of them always act THAT way.”

Sabreen – YOUR comments were amazing! Thank you – you add so much!

kes – I know a lot of millennials I like. This group of self satisfied progs, not so much.

I agree. Lots of great millennials, but when they go bad, they REALLY go bad.

AdLib – BINGO – weasels. Perfect. Little hyper creatures running in the underbrush thinking they’re important.

kes – I got shut out of the conversation in Sept. Then was accused of not being collegial. Hello? Who did this?

What are you supposed to do? Bake them cookies and tell them how clever they are?

Anyway I have a very good bill as an alternative to substitute for the horrific and ILLEGAL mess they made, but they won’t back down. AdLib – it’s just a bill to incorporate worker cooperatives. Simple, straightforward. Theirs actually makes changes that would be illegal by federal standards, and it’s unsusable. But they’re so…progressive, y’know.

Choice…were you able to down a chill pill or did you cold cock him?

kes – yup. that’s it.

CL – As I said, I believe, on TPV, I rarely read articles about people using the “n” word. But I find it interesting that millennials seem to be guilty of these acts.

Murph – it was a woman, and the fact she still lives is testament to my humanity.

Sabreen – at the heart this is actually an issue. They disdain minorities, working people, etc. and want to dictate what cooperatives may do because they have no faith in workplace democracy.

Slapping has its place in the range of human behaviors, AdLib! Its value should not be underestimated!

AdLib – I’M WITH YOU ON BITCH SLAPPING!

Cl….ok, not cold cock, but slap silly.

AdLib – yup.

Murph – If she had been in my face, she’d have been slapped for her arrogance.

AdLib – this is their THIRD shot at it, they have alienated three of the most progressive legislators in CA, and I have a problem?

Sounds as though what she lacks in experience and good judgment, she makes up for in over-confidence and arrogance.

kes – LOL! She’d call that ‘balance’.

AdLib – I do not recall at that age being THAT arrogant about knowing everything.

LOL! Yes, and it wouldn’t be a bug, it would be a feature.

kes – YouTube here I come!

Sorry everyone

Boomer busts baby. Film at 11.

Make it look accidental though. So no charges are pressed. Oops! I must have had a mini-stroke. My hand just flew out of control into your face!

AdLib – if someone with street cred as far as legislative stuff goes offers advice, would that not be USEFUL? But noooo. Last year the bill was SO BAD it never made it to the first committee. THAT is a bad bill.

Few too many interruptions at home. Going to watch a show with my my awesome 10 year old.

AdLib – YUP – these are kids of endless privilege who think every fart they pass is golden perfume.

Choice, sorry didn’t get to hang out. Have a great weekend everyone!!

Enjoy, funk!

funk – you’re definitely on Dad duty. Sorry to miss you – have a great weekend!

A WORD ABOUT FERGUSON…..the news folks are not reporting a big registration push, this time that is working, big turnouts to the City Councilor town hall meetings, and a major push to topple the mayor…better late than never.

Bye funk..

Please don’t tell me these children are making over 6 figures for the “work” they’re doing….?

Murph- that is GREAT news!!!

Good night Funk.

kes – I doubt it, but they are quite well compensated. The woman now heads a NATIONAL organization that, I heard from a reliable source, is giving VERY bad legal advice to cooperatives. Yikes

Murph, that city government good ole boy core is falling at the rate of about one each day. Good.

Choice…my group is back involved. We got called and asked what it would take to get us reinvested in the cause. Our answer. “Listen to us.”

kes – this may finally convince people that local politics are very important.

Absolutely! Silver lining.

Murph – listening is good. Is Rev. Seku (sp?) any use? I know him a bit from out here.

CHoice…just weighing in, so the jury is out.

Murph – he would not remember me, but his work here was always pretty measured and good, but then we didn’t have Ferguson’s problems either.

Well, kids. Almost midnight here, so I’ll have to call it a day. Hope it’s a restful weekend for all. And maybe even a fun one, if we’re all lucky

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BRB – The Nicholas bros dancing

night to you kes!

kes – thank you so much for letting me unload. Have a GREAT weekend. Hope to talk next week and be more upbeat.

good night, kes

Sabreen – too funny!

Love the Nicholas brothers! OK G’night one more time!

Good night, kes!

Anyone – where is KT? Haven’t seen him for about 2 weeks I think. Is he OK?

Choice…..Rev. Osagyefo Uhuru Sekou? Yes, well met, very experienced, laid back right now.

Murph – yes, that’s his name. I like him so far as I’ve worked with him which isn’t much.

CL, he’s around. I see his posts on Time Out. Maybe he’s busy Fri nights

Nite kes. Take care!

PPO – thanks – I’ve been so busy, I’ve not seen TO/OT at all.

AdLib – I’m not sure what the email fracas will produce. Since apparently EVERYONE does it, I think this will blow over. I do want others in the race, but save O’Malley whom Sabreen knows, I don’t see likely contenders.

Ad…..I am surprised at how little impact the Server-Gate “scandal” has had to date on the Dem. base…does it not matter.

AdLib – glad KT is OK.

Murph – the emoprogs are in a twist over ServerGate. I actually don’t care much once I found out how many officials everywhere do the same.

Ad, I think anyone throwing stones in that particular glasshouse would be very unwise. It will blow over, and rightfully so. In any event, who could even start to match HRC in visibility, except for Joe?

Murph – the problem with the emos being upset is they will throw their 1% vote behind another Jill Stein. It won’t help.

AdLib – I agree. It’s all that which worries me: what ELSE is out there? I think her real problem is the Clinton Fdn. money. Yikes.

I have read that the scuttlebutt in State – servers out of date, leaking like sieves, hacked all the time…top level people, get your own communication media…

Murph – I think because Colin Powell had his own server, maybe people don’t see it as that big a deal. I’m taking a wait and see position.

Sabreen – yes, it was the Powell revelation that made me really not care!

AdLib – very solid point.

As to the broader question….just from this point of view….Hillary needs a robust challenge within the party…she seems out of shape and out of place rightnow.

Murph – another very solid point.

Ad, good point, but every candidate of any hue has weaknesses and soft spots, so pounding on the Clinton Past can have repercussions on both sides.

Choice, thank you.

CL – I have got to have my distractions from all the crazy.

PPO – I think we fear the Clinton present!

CL, what present? she hasn’t announced

Sabreen – YES! I have started reading intricate novels in the vein of Dan Brown – puzzles grounded in ancient history about which I neither believe nor care. VERY helpful!

Ad we have many reasons to want a robust field of GOP candidates and that is one of them.

PPO – Her times as SoS. Recent enough. BENGHAZI and all that jazz.

CL, try Colleen McCulloch’s Roman Empire stuff, supposed to be great

PPO – I am wedded to modern day mysteries with those roots. Can’t relate to togas…

Murph – I agree. I wish some unknown, bright light with a brilliant mind would appear.

CL, with you there. My legs are too skinny

PPO – my mother adored McCulloch’s books. I like the past influencing the present stuff.

Sabreen – Michelle, maybe???????????

PPO – Did ANYONE look good in a toga?

ElizBETH tAYLOR PHWOAR!

PPO – Michelle says no, and like E. Warren, I believe them both.

PPO -?????

AdLib – very good point on that. Maybe Biden or O’Malley have a shot?

CL, Elizabeth Taylor wore one in some movie or other. YUM!

PPO – Ohhhh. I’d agree.

AdLib – he’s my choice. He won’t do it either.

AdLib – you remember Obama’s story of early days and how tired he was already when that amazing woman kept saying, “Fired UP! Ready to GO!” I thought that was a great story about what a terrible thing campaigning really is.

I want a Dem debate stage that has Biden, O’Malley, Sanders, Warren, and Clinton on it. I am looking for a Black and a Hispanic. Any ideas.

PPO – I really don’t think the country is ready for another AA in the White House. I don’t think I’m ready actually. I’ve had about as much vitriol as I can handle for a while. If fact, we’ve got two more years.

Murph – either of the Castro brothers.

Sabreen – I am with you there. Isn’t that sick?

Choice…enough experience? I’d go with either.

Murph – as Veep. Not as Pres.

AdLib – I advanced for Moscone in his race for governor. I was a lot younger, and it was awful.

CL..I am focused on the debates, and a bit on the race itself.

Murph – the debates may weed folks out, yes.

CL – I like the Castro brothers. Wouldn’t be a kick to have a President Castro? Talk about heads exploding.

Signing off till next week. Good Vox tonight. Cheerio everyone.

Sabreen!!!!! Too funny!

Oh g’day PPO – lovely to see you, even if you’re NOT in a toga. Your’e not are you?

CL…mostly i want a stage on which Hillary looks good (if she does) in a group of diverse, smart people who represent the wideness of my party.

AdLib – it had its fun, but it’s exhausting.

PPO…Cheers!

CL, nope, just fishnets and……oops

PPO!!! TMI, dear. TMI!

I really like Deval Patrick. But he says no way.

OK – we have the Veep locked. Now who for president?

Sabreen – I know. That was a loss.

Nite PPO!

Ad….she could in which case we better have a understudy. Thus the debate stage.

I agree Murph. I want to see several Dems running.

AdLib – very cool analysis says part of the loss in 2014 was due to a fixation on women’s reproductive issues. As much as I am totally devoted to that cause, I think it’s correct – back to “it’s the economy, Stupid” even now.

Hillary is too locked into the PUMAs, and they are too narrow in focus.

CL….”It’s the Economy Stupid” and “She’ll keep us out of War”

AdLib – and he says he’ll be a Dem, but then VT will be pissed.

Murph – problem is, I’m not sure I believe she’ll keep us out of war.

Hey Harleigh – c’mon down!

Well it’s after midnight here, so I’m gonna say Good night. Take care y’all. Oh, and sign the petition. https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petitions/popular/0/2/0/

CL…which is why we need that debate stage to push her on this. No war without a draft and no exemptions.

Sabreen – take care, dear friend. I already signed. Thanks for reminding everyone. Be well!!!

Murph – I’m with you on that!

Where’d Harleigh go?

I am going too. Nite all.

Good night, Murph – I[‘m heading out, too. Sorry to abandon you, AdLib – hope you have a good book!

AdLib – I also think there is very little they can do to push this nation into a war. Good night, dear AdLib – hope your week is great!

Hey peeps!

No night owls here this day?

I hope this isn’t turning into a geriatric site! LOL!

Hey Ad, what time is it in your zone? 100pm?

Wow!