• AdLib : Night Murph! G’day ppo! Have a great weekend all!

  • AdLib : ppo – Just what I was thinking too. The Ukranians would begin with decent weaponry as an insurgent, guerrilla force against a Russian invasion and it’s a huge country to try and occupy. It would be horrible as a war but Russia wouldn’t have an easy time maintaining power there.

  • MurphTheSurf3 : Nite ALL.

  • pinkpantheroz : Good night, Murph. Sleep well. See you next week and maybe in the Music post over the weekend. Cheers, Adlib, as well, I’m away for the night.

  • MurphTheSurf3 : Ad- it may be illegal but the vote would be overwhelming. PPO- The Russian army is no paper tiger still it would be a mess.

  • pinkpantheroz : Right Murph. The USSR got it’s ass handed to them on a plate in Afghanistan by tribesmen! Even a half-decent western army might be too much for Putin, especially with help from the west.

  • AdLib : Murph – It still is illegal, Crimea has no right to join Russia on their vote alone, it would require the nation of Ukraine to vote on that. That wouldn’t bother Putin but it would make any deal illegal and an affront to Ukraine.

  • MurphTheSurf3 : Well guys – nice to end the evening with some intelligent chit chat. Farewell…time for bed..

  • MurphTheSurf3 : The Ukrainian army is a shell (as is its navy) but nationalism would be a powerful animator and I don’t think Putin would risk a hot war even with a far inferior foe.

  • AdLib : they’re

  • AdLib : ppo – Exactly! Republicans love saying their Americans but also love acting like czars. Ask Darrell Issa about that.

  • AdLib : Murph – Right now the Gop is looking at Putin and chanting, “One of us! One of us! Gooble gobble! Gooble Gobble! One of us!”

  • MurphTheSurf3 : Ad Lib…yep BBC Insider News spoke of a 100 year equivalent value for the base lease….and then permitting a “plebiscite” so the Crimea could be “reintegrated into Russia”.

  • AdLib : ppo – Putin just invaded a nation Russia had agreed in writing never to invade and he bald face lies about having invaded it. He’s so exposed as a phony that all the Olympics in a century couldn’t help his image now.

  • pinkpantheroz : I can see why the GOP would admire a dictator who would invade a country next door……er hang on, the names Iraq and Kuwait ring a bell….

  • AdLib : Murph – Ukraine does have a military too, nowhere near as big as Russia’s but big enough to give Putin pause if he threatens the country’s existence. Don’t understand the payout thing, you mean buying Sevastopol?

  • MurphTheSurf3 : PPO Putin is loathsome….whi ch makes GOP admiration for him even more so.

  • pinkpantheroz : Murph, it made my blood boil earlier when I saw Putin standing with the Olympic Committee at Sochi with the opening of the Paralympic games. The cretin pretending he cares about the challenged athletes. Look at Russia’s treatment of disabled and mentally ill people.

  • AdLib : PPO – Yep, I replied to that tongue in cheek suggestion that Putin would agree to buy Crimea then just invade Ukraine and put the money back in his pocket. It is a very good thing that there hasn’t been any shooting yet but there has been violence as the undercover Russian troops have been beating up and threatening journalists and anti-Russian protestors and activists.

  • MurphTheSurf3 : PPO- BBC reported tonight that there are talks going on about Russian doing a payout to the Ukraine for Sevastopol to ease the Crimean move.

  • MurphTheSurf3 : Ad….an over reach is possible but his own population is nervous and the Ukraine (unlike Crimea) had always been a partner republic.

  • AdLib : ppo – The GOP is using the same PR firm Putin is. “Are you going to believe me or your own eyes?”

  • pinkpantheroz : I agree with both of you wise folk. I did suggest in another post that maybe Ukraine could SELL the Crimea to Russia! Then use that money to build the border and fund membership applications to the EU. But I suppose Putin would sooner grab than pay. Still, no major fireworks so far and please God it stays that way.

  • AdLib : Murph – I wouldn’t underestimate Putin’s overreaching, extremists often do that before suffering a severe setback. Might he try to annex the east? He might but as you say, it’s not as clean a get as Crimea. And if he advances like that, it will be harder for the cowardly EU nations to refuse economic sanctions against Russia.

  • MurphTheSurf3 : Ad..that is also how I see it.

  • AdLib : And then Sevastopol and Crimea would look at how people in Ukraine are prospering while they sit under the yoke of an economically anemic Russia…and would start getting upset at how much worse off they are under Russian rule. This could turn out to be a long term disaster for Putin and Russia and end up flipping Crimea back to Ukraine.

  • MurphTheSurf3 : Ad…yes….I will go a step further…I think that annexing the E. Ukraine is now out of the question as it is not a separate entity within the Ukraine itself. His having to send troops into the Crimea has shown his hand and is panicking many of the former soviet republics.

  • AdLib : Murph – I think you’re right on all of that but I heard a very insightful view on the blowback from all of this. If Putin keeps Crimea and annexes eastern Ukraine, then Ukraine itself will have far less Russian-sympathe tic voters and the country can be in a better position to turn to the EU and the west. That would be devastating for Putin, having an EU nation right on his border!

  • pinkpantheroz : good one, Adlib! Maybe Boner can persuade to GOP to hold the Primaries in Sevastopol. They’d never notice it isn’t the one in Wisconsin! Someone once said that ‘War is the means to teach Americans geography!”

  • MurphTheSurf3 : And hi Pink!

  • MurphTheSurf3 : putin….long time plan on his part…started with Georgia and the two breakaway provinces, installation of key figures in the Crimea, and then a patronage president in the Ukraine. His ouster pushed Putin to move….he wants Sevastopol to be Russia’s without question and without lease.

  • AdLib : Hey ppo! Now, if only we can convince Putin to invade the GOP…on the other hand, he might be more welcomed there than in Crimea.

  • pinkpantheroz : Better late than never, Murph. How are you? Lots of banter and good stuff as usual tonight. Lots about Vlad the Mad and the Gopers castigation of POTUS. Typical!

  • AdLib : CPAC is now a parody of itself and as predictable as the sun rising and setting. We know they’ll all compete to pander to the farthest right and show the most hatred towards Obama. Yawn. As for the enrolling info, that is fantastic news!

  • MurphTheSurf3 : CPAC was just a little more unhinged than usual…oh- I had an interesting conversation with someone from ehealthinsurance .com They are enrolling the under 35’s at record speeds as the insurers have created enticing packages for them.

  • AdLib : Not in KY!

  • AdLib : And the invite to go to the shooting range with her? You don’t want to be outgunned by a woman Dem!

  • AdLib : Yep, that was very smart and clever of her!

  • AdLib : Jindal and Rubio will be on Dancing With The Stars in a few years.

  • MurphTheSurf3 : McConnell being schooled by Grimes as to how to hold a rifle. Gotta love it.

  • AdLib : Cheney give McConnell shooting lessons…

  • MurphTheSurf3 : Well….I have no meetings next Friday. So…I should be here. Take care.

  • AdLib : Many as always!

  • MurphTheSurf3 : Hi Ad….miserable week in general. Any notes of real brilliance on the ranch tonight.

  • AdLib : That’s a drag.

  • AdLib : Hey Murph, just wrapped up a few minutes ago!

  • MurphTheSurf3 : Traffic from St. Louis was a bear – some kind of fire along one of the country roads. So two detours.

  • MurphTheSurf3 : I am arriving way too late. Ah well.

  • AdLib : Night all!!!

  • Fergie1 : CL :lol: . And a very good night to you. Take care. see you around the traps.

  • Fergie1 : Sorry folks, but I have to say cheerio also. It’s only 4 PM but I really have got to get a few things done one of these Saturdays! Ad, you asked a while back if not getting things done was a good or bad thing!! Well, it’s fantastic being here among friends and sanity but I get a guilty conscience about not doing a myriad of those things which must get done at some point, preferably not at 1 am! So Good night all and thanks as always for the welcome and the chat about the world at large. :) .

  • choicelady : Fergie – I can perfectly understand that!

  • Fergie1 : CL, I’d rather have a root canal!

  • choicelady : Well I think I’m following Sabreen out the door. AdLib – it was lovely seeing you last week, and good night to everyone North and South. See you next week I hope!

  • Fergie1 : ‘Night Sabreen. Sleep the sleep of the rightous!

  • Fergie1 : G’nite from Downunder funk. Always great to “talk” with you. See you soon.

  • Sabreen60 : Thanks CL. You too!

  • choicelady : Good night Sabreen – see you wherever. Choice or Church, I always look for your posts. Have a good night’s rest and great weekend.

  • Sabreen60 : Funk, I’m right behind you. Good night everyone. It’s been enlightening, as usual!

  • choicelady : Fergie – it’s pretty silly but kind of innocent fun. So long as the RWNJs aren’t on anyway.

  • choicelady : Good night, funk. Take good care. We’re so glad you’re here with us given all the pressure you’re under. See you next week I hope!

  • Fergie1 : I wouldn’t watch DWTS if my life depended on it as with any of that rubbish.

  • funksands : Folks I am fading fast. Long week at the ranch. Great seeing and talking with all of you. Stay tuned for my final installment of MMT coming up this next week!

  • Sabreen60 : Night kes! Be good or be careful.

  • choicelady : funk – you were correct either way about Geller.

  • choicelady : ke – Good night and sweet dreams! Lovely talking with you!

  • funksands : Nite Kes, keep a light on tonight

  • funksands : *without* (getting sloppy)

  • Fergie1 : G’nite kesmarn. Take good care. Always lovely to see you.