Vox Populi – 1-10-2014

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  • AdLib : Cheers Murph! Rest well and feel better! Have a great weekend!

  • MurphTheSurf3 : Nice parting thought…thanks .

  • AdLib : That has to be so frustrating. There’s something there and it can’t be identified…dam n.

  • AdLib : Murph – It is tough when surrounded with so much negativity but you have prevailed over it with all your great work.

  • MurphTheSurf3 : Docs…every test is negative….so I am back where I started. I am going to work on my conditioning and see what happens.

  • MurphTheSurf3 : As you have pointed out before…living in Misery, my outlook is jaundiced.

  • AdLib : Great, look forward to seeing more of you over the weekend. Hope you’re feeling better and that there’s been some progress with docs.

  • AdLib : Murph – I don’t know, I see Repubs as far more greedy and power hungry than that. And…do they really concede the balance of the SCOTUS over to the Dems? I don’t think so. They may want Dems to think they don’t care about the WH but it all sounds like sour grapes to me. They can’t win so they say they don’t want it anyway, they tout their control over the House but they lost seats in 2012 and I think we’ll see more of that in 2014…making it possible for Dem control of Congress and the WH in 2016. So, I am optimistic but I think these are more likely than less likely possibilities.

  • MurphTheSurf3 : As always I hope you are correct….ok… I have kept you after hours long enough. Thanks for filling me in. Hope to spend some time at the Planet this weekend. I have been very busy.

  • AdLib : Murph – I confess to being an optimist but I hope I’m a realistic one. There simply isn’t a good reason for a non-Repub to vote Repub anymore. And since their only plan is to run against the ACA…which by Nov 2014 will be well established and widely approved…I don’t see how they prevail.

  • MurphTheSurf3 : I don’t think the GOP is planning on winning the Presidency- the party cannot pull off a national win- so they need another McCain, Romney, so that is why I choose Ryan…..what they plan to do is control the House forever and the Senate every now and again.

  • AdLib : Good to hear that the investigations are guaranteed to go to fruition but as you say, the Feds are on this now so it’s beside the point and only damaging to Christie if he tries to block more investigation.

  • AdLib : That’s the thing, no one could come up with a Repub nom that could possibly be a contender against Hillary. Paul Ryan has as much charisma and crossover appeal as a mosquito bite. Who in the GOP could possibly appeal and energize moderate voters?

  • MurphTheSurf3 : Ad Lib- you are always the optimist and I must admit that you are more often correct than not….I think you outscore me in general.

  • MurphTheSurf3 : Yeah..the new leaders of the State Assembly have already announced that they will fully endorse the investigations now going on for the reasons you list…..I think even if the subpoena power had been removed….the federal investigation is just revving up.

  • AdLib : Murph – I don’t know, I don’t think the odds or momentum favors Repubs in 2014. After shutting down the government and with the conflicts ahead, I think Dems are in a better position to hold the Senate. They may not win back the House but I think they’ll gain seats.

  • MurphTheSurf3 : so who did you all come up with?

  • AdLib : Murph – Wish you had been here earlier, nope, no one mentioned that. But it’s all folly because this scandal is now a national issue and bringing in a more favorable Legislature that whitewashes it will only boomerang worse on Christie. What was mentioned is how much his “I am not a bully!” sounds like Nixon’s “I am not a crook.” And we all know how true such statements seem to be.

  • MurphTheSurf3 : As you know my focus is on 2014 and how we keep the GOP from taking the Senate….I think the odds favor them…as to 2016…..Hillary vs. ???? I think Ryan is a real possibility.

  • MurphTheSurf3 : Sorry I missed it….did you all talk about Christie trying to run out the clock on this session of the legislature in the expectation that his people who will lead the next one would squash the subpoenas?

  • AdLib : The big unanswered question tonight was, if Christie is out as most of us seemed to think, who could win the 2016 Repub nom?

  • AdLib : The discussion was great, mainly about Christie’s dooming himself and the press failing to nail him down at the press conference because it’s to their corporations’ advantage to have a closely contested Hillary/Christie race in 2016 (which ain’t gonna happen!).

  • MurphTheSurf3 : Yep…State Senator (and leader of the Democratic majority in the NJ State Senate)

  • AdLib : Yep, the Right just can’t regain any credibility. The Rep is the leader of the state legislature, isn’t she?

  • MurphTheSurf3 : Ok sounds we were all on the same page. How was the discussion overall tonight?

  • MurphTheSurf3 : The Rep. for the town is one of the biggest Christie foes…she is one tough lady…and now Buono is having the satisfaction of saying, told ya so.

  • AdLib : He also looks like a big fat coward, throwing everyone in his Admin overboard to bailout himself. What an unprincipled reptile.

  • MurphTheSurf3 : Agreed. Did you find the efforts from the right to try to link Obama to Christie- you know, Benghazi, IRS, Climategate whatever….fall en flat especially because so many on the right hate Christie.

  • AdLib : Murph – No, didn’t hear that! It sounds very damning! We did discuss Maddow’s proposition that this may all have been about his battle with Dems on NJSC justices and that the bridge shutdown happened the day after a big confrontation over it.

  • MurphTheSurf3 : I agree with the consensus. Either he gave the orders, or he put into place a climate of intimidation, or he chose really bad people, or his staff felt free to sneak around, or he could not ferret out the truth….or …..there are no “ors” in which he looks good.

  • AdLib : How do you rebound from displaying dishonesty, feigned ignorance and an atmosphere of vindictive law breaking? So we want a President who either doesn’t know what his entire cabinet is doing or does but lies about it? Neither choice is a winner.

  • MurphTheSurf3 : Ad Lib, did anyone talk about the mayor of Jersey City who this morning reported that after telling the CC campaign he was endorsing Buono had ALL of his calendared appointments with state officials canceled for two months. More of that on the way.

  • AdLib : The consensus tonight seemed to be that Christie has destroyed his chances even if many aren’t paying attention today. He’s positioned himself as a liar (since his conversation with Cuomo disputes his Sgt. Schultz impression, “I know Nothing!”) And he’s proven to create an admin of corrupttion around him.

  • MurphTheSurf3 : What did the gang have to say about CC of NJ

  • MurphTheSurf3 : We had 13 inches of snow, subzero for two days and in the single digits for two more, rained here today and it is 42 degrees

  • AdLib : Very cool to hear about the ACA! Great work on your contributions to that, Murph!

  • MurphTheSurf3 : Ad….fine….AC A is moving along in Mo. now…..AND I just wanted to see what the lowdown here was re. Christie of NJ