• AdLib : See you then!

  • Beatlex : LOL,See you tomorrow AdLib!

  • AdLib : Not today but you do him honor!

  • Beatlex : Anyone seen SmotPoker? I poked some smot in his honor

  • AdLib : Hat Trick – That sure sounds very complimentary to CL’s work on community banking and employee-owned businesses.

  • Hat Trick : CL – One last thing. I would like to see development of a new type of financial institution rooted within our communities with fiduciary duties reflecting that relationship and public procurement programs used to re-cycle public funds to create a multiplier effect benefiting those within those specific jurisdictions.

  • AdLib : Well, it would seem like a perfect time to wrap Vox Populi for the night. Choicelady, Beatlex and jjgravitas, wishing you a very Happy New Year and positive things in 2014 for all of us!

  • choicelady : Good night Murph – Happy New Year!

  • AdLib : Cheers Murph – Get some rest!

  • choicelady : I think I’m toddling along, too, everyone. The ‘mini crud’ I’ve been battling this week is doing me in. Good night and Happy New Year to all!

  • AdLib : Hat Trick – Very pleased you joined us tonight, hope you enjoyed it and will join us again! Have a very happy New Year!

  • MurphTheSurf3 : Back to say so long…been watching this conversation with an appreciative eye. Need to get to bed.

  • AdLib : Hat Trick – That’s very true but it’s not an unanticipated result of the trade policies like NAFTA. The corporations and wealthy are perfectly fine with governments losing lots of revenue because the less money they have to spend, the less power they have and the less they can enforce laws against them. So the destruction of domestic manufacturing is a win-win for them.

  • choicelady : Good night, Hat! Happy New Year and a great 2014!

  • Hat Trick : Thanks for permitting me to join you. Time for me to say good night.

  • choicelady : Hat – we recognize this and are building relationships with embattled cities to renew infrastructural development, too. Hence the Reading, PA initiative. That is our focus in many deindustrialized areas. That is my background for 30 years – and this is the ONLY alternative that seems to be working.

  • Hat Trick : CL – I think we have common ground.

  • choicelady : Beatlex – can you send it WEST so we can MAYBE get some rain out of it? Hope your new crops – winter wheat? survive.

  • Hat Trick : CL – Employee ownership is one component. But, more is required. The leakage of wealth creating capital assets from our communities is similar to a reservoir drying up. Once the water is gone, the floor of the reservoir crack. And, any rain that falls falls thru the cracks rather than recharge the reservoir. Once the wealth creating capital assets are gone, the tax base is gone.

  • choicelady : Hat – we are also building alternative financial systems. The new agreement in October between the National Cooperative Development Bank here with Laboral Kutxa, the credit union at Mondragon, just opened alternative financing in a HUGE way.

  • AdLib : Beatlex – That’s going to be very tough on a lot of people.

  • AdLib : Hat Trick – Which is why the job growth, especially in TX, is for minimum wage service jobs. The transfer of wealth ahs become obscene and yet the way of the wealthy is to decry anyone who wants them to stop picking the pockets of the 99% as committing “class warfare”. When the wealthy are conducting a war against the 99% it is free market capitalism. When the 99% try to stop them, it’s class warfare. Ridiculous.

  • choicelady : Hat – go find my union coop reply to you. We are working in those rustbelt cities with everything from one employee owned business to a major initiative WITH entire cities such as Reading, PA. We intend to rebuild manufacturing, obtain living wages for employee owned services, etc. It’s very exciting!

  • choicelady : jjgravitas – but it is also about blocking things if we have a lousy congress, banks that block lending to new businesses owned by employees, etc. They can’t stop Obama. They can slow him down.

  • Beatlex : We have a Flash Freezing warning for Calgary.We have a cold blast coming that you in the northern states are going to feel

  • Hat Trick : One of the long lasting problems we have here is the continued loss of wealth creating capital assets from our communities (like Cleveland, Buffalo, Elkhart, El Centro, Kannapolis, Pittsburgh, Detroit, Gary, etc). When we these machine tools, molding machines, and assembly lines leave, communities lose their tax base and the slide begins.

  • AdLib : CL – It’s a lot more difficult for the GOP to interfere with a post-presidentia l Obama. Far too many avenues for him to proceed down for them to interfere. Many wealthy people will be on his team as well. Repubs can’t filibuster Obama setting up alliances and programs independently. They can try to sabotage his efforts but they’d be fighting on too many fronts including against the current Dem President.