• AdLib : Great! Night, Murph!

  • MurphTheSurf3 : Likely so….ok sending you the email. Over and out. MTS.

  • AdLib : Murph – I don’t think so, this is a case of the Baggers thinking they can extort him again as they did in 2011. Obama no doubt wants the economy to continue growing and either of these would threaten that.

  • MurphTheSurf3 : Ad Lib..I wonder then if Obama is seeking to provoke them?

  • AdLib : Night Murph, sleep well!

  • AdLib : This is why I submit that if the Repubs shut down government briefly, it may be for the best. First, they will get their terrorism out of their system, second, the damage is not as severe as with a debt default, third, the public will turn on them then and prevent them from doing a debt default.

  • MurphTheSurf3 : Our thoughts as well. Good night for now.

  • AdLib : Fantastic Murph, I do think a strong campaign to bring home the reality and destruction that lies ahead if they stay on their terrible course is a great way to go. An economic crash following their refusal to raise the debt ceiling would cripple the economy and many of those who survived the last crash so while I think Obama has to remain constrained by the Constitution on what he can do, we can do all that we can to prevent it.

  • MurphTheSurf3 : what I meant was blanket the district with the flyers AND hit every e mail we can get our hands on

  • MurphTheSurf3 : I have since spoken with a half dozen others and we are preparing a “what will happen to YOU if the debt ceiling is not raised” faq….I plan to have it done by Monday and will hand deliver it to the District Office with a copy of an order for 5000 copies and a promise to blanket the district’s e mails and local newspapers with it.

  • AdLib : scenarios

  • AdLib : Murph – Well done but I fear that these types have the convictions of their ignorance. They are so sure that they are righteous that I wonder if anything can penetrate their commitment to harming the country. Such people rarely think of consequences other than the fantasy scenarioa in their heads.

  • MurphTheSurf3 : My Congressman is not officially Tea Party but he is closely aligned. I told him that if my retirement savings at damaged by a debt ceiling crisis AGAIN that I would make it my crusade to name everyone working for the Congressman and to pin the losses on them along with their boss. There are a lot of retired people around here. He started to give me some mumbo jumbo but I would not hear any of it. I and my associates have had a sort of truce with him and the Rep. but I told him that this is war.

  • AdLib : Yes?

  • MurphTheSurf3 : Ad….I spoke with the Chief of Staff at my Congressman’s district office today….

  • AdLib : Sounds good, Murph, I will pass it along for you! Have a great weekend and once again, congrats on your remarkable day!

  • AdLib : Murph – No argument there and on many issues we’ve seen how an ignorant public can be misled. Not in this case though, it is just too blatant, all the talk and quotes from so many Repubs and their supporters about shutting down government and not approving the debt ceiling. There is no way Obama is seen as the one behind the push to stop government spending and freeze the debt ceiling, just the opposite.

  • MurphTheSurf3 : Well Ad…it is you and I again. I guess time to close shop unless you have something more….I will send you an e mail to forward to Glenn and Choice.

  • MurphTheSurf3 : Nobody ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American public. H. L. Mencken

  • AdLib : And if Obama violates the Constitution to stop them, he will be bringing the House down on his head and impeached for sure. He can’t do that, he can’t give Repubs an argument to delegitimize his Presidency AND the ACA in the process.

  • MurphTheSurf3 : Ad…I live in a part of the U.S. that convinces me that Mencken was absolutely on the money.

  • AdLib : Murph, even Repubs are coming out against this acknowledging that they are the party that’s responsible for what happens. No way this ends up as Obama’s fault in the minds of Americans.

  • MurphTheSurf3 : Ad- my fear is that whatever happens will be blamed on Obama and given the incredible stupidity of the public as a whole I wonder if we are better off with him taking them on before they crack the economy.

  • AdLib : Murph – Nope, “we” aren’t destroying anything and if we could stop them, we would. We’re more like time travelers who know that it’s against the laws of nature to interfere with history, what needs to happen has to happen and would always happen. The Baggers will maintain dominance over the nation if they are not fully exposed as the terrorists they are. Words alone won’t change anyone’s mind, all we can do legally is watch them expose themselves as terrorists to those who support them. Then, we have the opportunity to take their power away, fix the damage they’ve wrought and get the country moving again in the right directions. So…maybe it’s more like recommending judo instead of karate, using their own weight against them to defeat them.

  • MurphTheSurf3 : CL-+- as you may know I have a blood disorder that does some pretty bad things to me but your chronic condition sounds ghastly.

  • choicelady : Good night Sabrfeen – I’m seriously on my way now, too. See you soon.

  • choicelady : Murph – LOL!!! I think the GOP are the ones saying that about the village!!! It’s that village Hillary wrote about that is needed to raise kids – they’ve been after that for DECADES.

  • Sabreen60 : Well folks I’m out, too. See you later and try to behave [smiley]

  • choicelady : Sabren – I am, dear friend, and I AM better. In one purely odd result – I have lost 7 pounds in 5 days. HUGE water retention apparently. Man does that feel better! But the capacity to eat and not have pain? Priceless! I just now have to eat five very very small meals. I can do this. Just so there’s wine…

  • AdLib : Wow, so sorry to hear you’ve been going through that, CL but I am glad that you have a regiment that can address the effects! Damn pharma companies!

  • MurphTheSurf3 : Ad and Choice…you guys sound like the Vietnam general who said “We had to destroy the village in order to liberate it.”

  • Sabreen60 : CL, Please take care of yourself. Do whatever you need to do feel better.

  • choicelady : AdLib – I agree with your assessment. We may just have to tough this out, but millions will be harmed with no federal money coming in. Despicable!

  • AdLib : Murph – I think Obama has to let the Baggers complete their destruction because his act of trying to save the nation from them will turn the focus to his violating the Constitution, that is a good deed that would not go unpunished. It is a necessary evil in this case, the Baggers must do their evil now so they will be prevented from doing it in the future…and mainly because the Constitution does not allow The President to stop them.

  • choicelady : Murph – whatever PBO does, and however legal it MAY be, it will result in an impeachment move. That will be horrible.

  • MurphTheSurf3 : CL-+- good news on the medical front.

  • choicelady : Sabreen – the CR is critical, but the debt ceiling is THE issue. They probably want to screw with both.

  • choicelady : AdLib – it’s a problem of long standing that finally came to a head this past week. If you read the story about the gymnast that was in Sunday’s NY Time magazine – that seems to be my problem, too. I’ve been very consciously working on regaining control over what appears to be frozen diaphragm muscles that were harmed by a sulfa drug in 2000. Exercise, breathing exercises, very, very small meals – and I’m worlds better. Good thing – wine helps! And they say there’s no God… I am LOTS better than I’ve been in years, and with just 6 days of effort. But it’s a lifetime commitment I think. It has been very awful for a very long time.

  • Sabreen60 : CL, The Repubs could shut the government down by not funding the continuing resolution. Correct? Or they could refuse to raise the debt ceiling. I think they will pass the continuing resolution but may play games with the debt ceiling. Am I confusing something?

  • MurphTheSurf3 : Ad…ok, there was that…

  • MurphTheSurf3 : Choice…I wonder if he is going to risk armageddon because he doesn’t have the “legal authority” There is a whole school of thought that the entire idea of a debt ceiling is unconstitutional because it restricts the Executive from doing that which it is obliged to do.

  • AdLib : Murph – At least we like your suggestion about Songs About Midget Olympians.

  • MurphTheSurf3 : Ad Lib and KT…I am still smarting from your rejection of my offer last week– harmonicas, juice harps and kazoos…