Vox Populi – 10-5-2012

AdLib : Night all!!!

KQµårk 死神 : Real progressives do come to their senses. OK this time I’m really out.

AdLib : Yes, purists are anarchists. They are Howard Roarks who would blow up what their party and country has built because they personally felt it wasn’t exactly what they wanted.

AdLib : Well…I wouldn’t call those people Progressive, there’s nothing progressive or supporting progress about people who would let Rome burn because it wasn’t perfect.

KQµårk 死神 : I should say very few of the purist who are really anarchists.

KQµårk 死神 : Save for some of the purist. You have to admit AdLib some progressives would like to see the whole thing crash down.

AdLib : KQ – Yep, really enjoyed starting early tonight…and going late! Sleep well KQ and have a wonderful weekend!

AdLib : KQ – Yep, Progressives believe in progress, which is why they use that label. They don’t seek destruction like Repubs.

KQµårk 死神 : Wow look at the time. I think we broke a VP record on time. Take care AdLib and BITO.

AdLib : KQ – Only under Reagan. One doesn’t need Sherlock Holmes skills of deductive to deduce why Reagan would secretly sell to an avowed enemy of America instead of to an ally. Because of course, it wasn’t an option, it was required.

KQµårk 死神 : Dems just don’t have destroying America in their DNA. That’s why I’m proud to be a Dem.

AdLib : Bito – He would have had a truly failed presidency…but the Dems would have wanted to destroy the nation and that would never happen.

KQµårk 死神 : The list of sales were all in the 80’s and easy to find on Wiki. August 20, 1985. 96 TOW anti-tank missiles September 14, 1985. 408 more TOWs November 24, 1985. 18 Hawk anti-aircraft missiles February 17, 1986. 500 TOWs February 27, 1986. 500 TOWs May 24, 1986. 508 TOWs, 240 Hawk spare parts August 4, 1986. More Hawk spares October 28, 1986. 500 TOWs

bito : oops, was going to bed then saw the name Raygun. How good of a president would he have been if the Dem leadership called for him to be one termer at all costs and filibustered/hel d/blocked everything he proposed? I other words treated like Obama?

AdLib : Get your rest, CL, you need it and deserve it! Hope it goes well!

KQµårk 死神 : Goodnight sleep well CL.

AdLib : Can you imagine if Bush sold arms to Iran? With all the countries Reagan could have sold arms to, why Iran? Seems pretty obvious to me.

choicelady : Well folks, I think I’m packing it in. I have to be on the road Sunday at 6 am for a two-day training I’m doing in the San Luis Obispo area, and tomorrow is my only “day of rest” so I’m starting it NOW. Take care and be well – talk to you on Thursday if not before! Good night!

AdLib : CL – I will look for it later but let’s just look at two simple facts. The hostages were released without Iranians receiving anything in return. A few years later, Reagan sold arms to Iran, an avowed enemy of the US, to fund their war on the contras in Nicaragua. Could a deal be any more obvious?

KQµårk 死神 : Oh absolutely AdLib. Lehrer should have pushed for details on Romney’s tax plan. It was crazy Obama had to do that on his own.

choicelady : Reagan was the most clearly venal president we’ve had – worse than even Bush who was far more stupid. People forget Reagan made the deal with the religous right in 1980 and in the process became a follower of Rushdoony whose extremist views were incredibly scary. Add it all up and he makes Nixon and Bush II look pretty good. But his personality and movies keep him in the public memory as a genial all-American guy. Horrors!

KQµårk 死神 : The deal was Reagan would not engage with Iran for taking the hostages in the first place. Despite all Reagan’s bluster he was not stupid enough to start a war with Iran. I’m not saying Carter would have started a war with Iran either but with the arms deal Reagan gave them the cake and frosting.

choicelady : AdLib – where is the final “proof” and why has this not been trumpted to the skies??? Last I’d heard, several years ago, the charges were dismissed. Reagan would therefore be the first fully treasonous candidate then president EVER. He was a civilian – clear violation of the Logan Act if nothing else. Despicable. Absolutely despicable.

AdLib : KQ – COnsider Lehrer’s lame questions, “What makes your policies on Social Security different from his?” Wow, really specific and detailed question Jim, well done!

KQµårk 死神 : AdLib no doubt Bush’s biggest lie campaigning was that he could work across the isle. He was a stone hearted partisan but people believed that lie.

AdLib : CL – It’s been documented that Reagan’s team made a deal with the Iranians to not release the hostages until after the election, not a conspiracy theory. The hostages WERE going to be released before the election…until the Reagan team got in contact with them. I don’t know though what promises were made but there was a deal, it wasn’t a coincidence that they were released after Reagan won.