• AdLib : Great, see you then!

  • KQµårk 死神 : I’ll be around tomorrow night for the debate.

  • AdLib : KQ – But the Senate has the right of consultation and approval on appointments. So he can’t interfere with their rules on process.

  • KQµårk 死神 : It’s a chicken and egg though when he’s talking about his power to appoint and make treaties.

  • AdLib : Okay! Have a great weekend!

  • KQµårk 死神 : Wait Treaties my require a larger margin by the Constitution well we’ll talk about it next time.

  • AdLib : KQ – I don’t think Obama could challenge the filibuster, that would then be him interfering with Congress’ power to set their own rules. Only the Senate could change the rules about the filibuster.

  • AdLib : The Senate could restrict filibusters any way they choose. They should restrict them from nominees and allow up or down votes.

  • KQµårk 死神 : sorry had one thought. Obama by challenging the senate filibuster rule as cutting into his constitutional power could be huge on issues like climate change treaties.

  • AdLib : KQ – That’s what Reid should do if the Dems win a sweep. Limit the filibusters and have an incredible 4 years that helps fix this nation.

  • KQµårk 死神 : And it could extend to any business the executive wants passed in the senate like treaties too. They should not be able to fillibuster those.

  • AdLib : And see you next week!

  • AdLib : Night KQ and thanks to all for making it another great edition of Vox Populi! Have a great weekend!

  • AdLib : Sorry about that Cher, have some chicken soup tomorrow and feel better!

  • KQµårk 死神 : Night Cher. Hope you feel better. I’m gonna peel off too.

  • AdLib : KQ – Yep, you can call a tree a horse but that doesn’t make it a horse. The Senate can call a pro forma session, The Senate being in session but when there isn’t a quorum even in the city, it isn’t in session and can’t work. Time to accept reality in DC.

  • Chernynkaya : Well, I caught a bug on the plane and still feel a little punky. See you wonderful folks later.

  • KQµårk 死神 : Take care funk almost missed it.

  • AdLib : Thanks Murph, we’re on the same page on this!

  • KQµårk 死神 : Yes AdLib this could be the first step to at least stop the Senate from filibustering or holding every nominee. It’s an obvious ploy to take away presidential power.

  • MurphTheSurf3 : Ad Lib….just before putting my head to the pillow….Your summary of the GOP case is spot on.

  • Chernynkaya : Bye, funk.

  • AdLib : Night Funk, sleep well!

  • funksands : Murph I’m right behind you. Good night to all of you. Talk to you later.

  • AdLib : Night Murph!

  • Chernynkaya : Not far behind you, Murph. Goodnight.

  • AdLib : Murph – Right. The very statement of the Repubs that their intent is to thwart a law that has been passed because, as the minority, they don’t want it to be implemented, is also not a valid defense for intruding on Exec power. They said it straight up, this is only a ruse to prevent the Exec branch from being able to exercise its Constitutional power to implement laws Congress passes. They can’t win and fighting for the SCOTUS to return things to gridlock would be suicidal.

  • KQµårk 死神 : Sleep well murph.

  • Chernynkaya : What this Congress has taught us is how easy it is to highjack the legislative process. The lesson will not be forgotten and that is scary, noi matter who is in power. Reform is far on the horizon–maybe a generation away. But there is no doubt the institution is broken badly.

  • MurphTheSurf3 : Great discussion, but I am dead tired and nee to call it a night. Best to one and all.

  • Chernynkaya : Funk, good point. I have always said we are closer to fascism than we think. And I always ask myself how I’d feel about any law if the Repubs were in power.

  • KQµårk 死神 : funk that is a danger. I think eventually someone is going to invoke the nuclear option for that reason.

  • AdLib : KQ – Actually, it’s implicit, no branch can act in any way or make any law or rule that violates the Constitution unless the Constitution is amended. So The Senate can’t make a rule that takes away an enumerated power from the Executive Branch. This pro forma crap is unconstitutional and Obama, a constitutional scholar, knows it.

  • funksands : I am genuinely worried about Congress as an institution. They are so broken that people are yearning for an executive to wield ever more independent power to keep the trains running.

  • MurphTheSurf3 : Ad Lib…the way I read it too. AND besides having the principles of law in its favor, it is also a PR winner. How do the Repubs argue not consenting to an appointment because they do not want the agency voted into law to go forward….ANd that agency is one set up to protect consumers….los e, lose, lose.

  • Chernynkaya : I know, just infuriating, like everything else they do. And I think that’s how 91% if the country sees it. Why running against Congress is so brilliant.

  • Chernynkaya : Yep, like that asshat, Menendez who has an appointment on hold.