AdLib : Patsy, back at ya!

  • AdLib : Great CL, keep relaxing, you need to recharge, lots ahead!

  • AdLib : No worries, Patsy, feel free, I’m happy to help. Really looking forward to reading it!

  • PatsyT : You are all the best!

  • choicelady : AdLib – it IS fun, and I have one more week. Only thing I’m looking forward to doing though is HOPE. So I’m counting on this whole next week for more sleep and relaxation! LOVING IT! ‘Night all!

  • PatsyT : AdLib I may have to ask for help, it’s been a while, I hate to do that but once I know what I’m doing I can coast.

  • AdLib : Looks like time to wrap the Vox Pop bar. Have a great weekend Patsy!

  • AdLib : Night CL! Have a nice weekend! Hope your vacation was fun!

  • choicelady : Well all, I think I am also coming to the end of the day. Good night to everyone, have a GREAT weekend, and sweet dreams to you.

  • PatsyT : Didn’t\

  • AdLib : CL – Or even in the case of Baggers, A Contract Instead of America.

  • PatsyT : Choice we did learn shit fro TMI or Chernobyl and they are trying to make Fukishima into a fairy tale.

  • AdLib : Night Chris! Have a nice weekend!

  • AdLib : Patsy – Please do post an article about what you’ve discovered, this is a far too neglected area and I would absolutely be looking forward to learning about where things are today in the nuclear industry.

  • choicelady : ADLib – Dems would have a Contract WITH America as opposed to the GOP Contract ON America.

  • ChrisR266 : Sorry for arriving late, but I’m glad to talk to all of your for a while. Enjoy your weekend, and take special care. Goodnight!

  • choicelady : Patsy – read up some on Lois Gibbs and her work in Love Canal. She was a housewife (her term) moved by the illness and deaths of area kids to convince other mothers. Begin where they are – worry about their kids’ health. If you are seeing cluster effects, there are books about how to document that, and Gibbs is there in DC now to help. She’d likely give you good advice about organizing. One book, probably hard to find, about how they came together was written by Adeline Levine of the U of Buffalo. Can’t remember the title, but it should be available. Good document about how ordinary people come together around a common problem.

  • AdLib : CL – So true, the percentage of Planeteers who actually get involved and get out there to make a difference is pretty high. And come 2012, we need to get out there big time!

  • PatsyT : Oh Choice I can’t even get started on this now… I gets me so fumed I do hope to do a righteous post on this soon as I have been building a arsenal of info.

  • AdLib : I’d also suggest that this time, in 2012, it is Progressives who should help harness the anger of Americans out there and get it focused on solving our problems…the first step being taking the House back and keeping the Senate and the Presidency. As I suggested before, the Dems should have a specific agenda of what they would pass in the first 100 days (why is it always the Repubs who have Contracts With America and not Dems? We should!).

  • choicelady : Patsy – the accidents are WORSE??? OMG! Did we learn nothing from Three Mile Island?????

  • choicelady : AdLib – absolutely! The best stuff happening today are the mass turnouts in WI and other states, and the solidarity rallies here are best when we see old, familiar faces. That’s powerful. We have to be OUT there, not just griping online. The Planet and Vox are hugely good for getting us to think out loud, but we need to take what we’ve learned and move OUT THERE with it, and that’s why the Planet is so successful – we DO that.

  • choicelady : Chris – I totally agree. People work best with the people whom they already trust. You have to go into new ventures with people who have your back and for whom you will provide support, too. No time for new alliances other than coalitionally. I’ve gone to lobby with strangers only to wish their demise because they talk too much, are rude, or are too stupid to live. You have to begin with those whom you trust.

  • PatsyT : Choice the “accidents” are getting worse not better

  • AdLib : Chris – What we’ve seemed to have learned through the last couple of internet elections is that too many people get caught up in venting themselves online and yet it is only by people protesting in person or helping GOTV that things can change. The web is great for bringing people together but to actually make a big difference, we have to “be” there.

  • PatsyT : Choice I am going at this from the perspective of a Mom that is concerned about her children and an authentic voice here in the OC. Most mom don’t think about this stuff much

  • choicelady : Patsy – I think Rochelle actually gave me stuff for the paper via a man for whom I worked that lived in SLO, but she and I are still trying to reconstruct that – she may NOT have been the person I’m remembering since I never actually met that woman. Oh, well…

  • ChrisR266 : Choice: people need to be approached through the social affiliations they already have. They are not going to go out there and seek out new affiliations. They have neither the time or smarts to know how to do that. You need to get them where they are.

  • ChrisR266 : AdLib: Back in the 70s, Karlyn Kohrs Campbell wrote an essay called “the rhetoric of Women’s liberation: an oxymoron.” It is important because she talks about feminist consciousness raising (a feminist organizing strategy) and its effectiveness as a rhetorical tool politically. She was onto something important then, and it is particularly applicable now.

  • choicelady : Patsy – it’s buried somewhere in the garage, but if I find it I will find a way to get it to you. It was called “The Nuclear Powered Media” and I gave it on a panel with Barry Commoner in DC in 1977. So it’s REALLY out of date! And it’s pretty amateurish, but there is very good data in it. It’s yours if I can unearth it!

  • choicelady : Chris – I think you’re right. I really do believe that organizations that have face to face capacity matter MORE right now. Networks build well out of that, but you can’t create those human links very well without the personal. That is one place where the Planet is VERY unusual – we built a face to face organization from a network. But MoveOn has NOT been successful – the house parties are very unsuccessful, at least around here. They never go anywhere. We need labor (locals), churches (congregations) league of women voters (groups) and any other such organizations that come together and have people know one another and talk. It’s really important for 2012 that these coalitions be built.

  • PatsyT : Choice Love It I would love to read that paper

  • AdLib : Chris – So true, getting people out of their homes and together with others who validate and strengthen their views is important. People have to get out there in 2012, the enemies of our democracy and 98% of Americans will be coming in for the kill this time but we’ve got the momentum on our side thanks to the vicious baggers.

  • choicelady : Patsy – Rochelle rocks, too!

  • choicelady : Hey Patsy – back in the 70s I wrote a paper about media biases in favor of nukes and how the major media were interlocked with pro-nuke corporations and how that led to scant attention to nuclear problems in the news. Took me over a YEAR to write that – it’s a HUGE field! And it has a long, supressed, and difficult to understand history. You ROCK! Keep going – we need you!

  • ChrisR266 : AdLib: the media personalities and pundits decry populist rhetoric, but populist rhetoric is exactly what awakens people to self and community interest.

  • AdLib : Patsy – You’re doing valuable work! Expect to have drones attacking it, as you see with the Baggers, they seek to undermine what’s best for the people.

  • ChrisR266 : I am increasingly of the mind that this 2012 election is not about the internet, but about meeting people face to face, letting them vent about their struggles, and talking them through issues in terms of what vote benefits them and what vote doesn’t. Party lines are doomed rhetoric. Helping people see past those lines is hope.

  • AdLib : So, if the folks in OH, MI, WI and FL are angry at what their Repub Govs have brought them…maybe 2012 will really be time for a change.

  • choicelady : AdLib – I’m calculating that from the numbers in the Progressive Caucus: 80 out of 535. 20% would be 107, so I’m being generous here… I know there are liberal Dems that lean that way reflecting their populations, so I’m erring on the side of hope that we’re significant. But it’s only hope!

  • PatsyT : We are really in this together

  • PatsyT : Choice Rochelle has been a huge help with San Onofre

  • AdLib : Michigan’s Rick Snyder is struggling with a 33 percent approval rating

  • choicelady : Patsy – yeah, that’s about the level of discourse in the Bee. Hang in though – Chris is right. Your voice is needed!

  • ChrisR266 : All: look at the numbers we’ve posted. These folks have brought ruin upon themselves. If we can get the apparatus to parse the issues correctly, there will be no republican party left in 2012.

  • PatsyT : Thanks for the support Chris and Çhoice… I have been spending most of my time reading up on the issues for months and I am just beginning to feel like I can hold my own.

  • AdLib : Florida Gov. Rick Scott’s approval rating plunges further (now 27%)

  • AdLib : CL – Progressives are 15%-20%?

  • choicelady : Patsy – I’ve not been following that issue in the Bee though you and I have talked and linked to Rochelle in SLO. The one thing about the Bee’s “posters” is that other than me (cough) they really ARE incredibly brain dead, and I’d NOT be surprised if they were paid trolls. Keep posting though because others who also feel left out do start coming back in. I’m hot stuff on various issues because I know what I’m talking about as you are wise on nuclear decommissioning. Your voice matters even with the wackos in dominance – you give courage to others.

  • ChrisR266 : Patsy: Yep, stiffen up, girl, but do not balk. You need to be there, posting. What you post does make a difference.

  • ChrisR266 : WE lived in Wisconsin for 7 years. Walker is going down, like nothing you’ve seen before.

  • ChrisR266 : All: Remember, Kasich only won by 1/2 of a percentage point. And the people who voted for him are the ones getting most hurt by his budget and SB 5.

  • PatsyT : Oppps here is the link «link»