• AdLib : Well Abby, looks like we’re closing the Vox Populi bar tonight. Thanks so much for helping to make it another enlightening chat and thanks to everyone else for making that happen too. See you soon and hopefully next Friday, same bat time, same bat channel! Have a great weekend!

  • AdLib : And “Kill the Monster!”

  • AdLib : Reminds me of the story of the Golem or Frankenstein. Man creates something to benefit himself but that thing is also what can effectively destroy him. This corrupt version of capitalism is a Frankenstein and it did what is its nature to do in 2008. Unfortunately, it is likely to do so again, until the people rise up with torches and pitchforks.

  • Abbyrose86 : Thanks Adlib!

  • Abbyrose86 : Man is but a mere mortal….thus life is finite…life should not be lived in subservience of others.

  • AdLib : Like it Abby!

  • Abbyrose86 : oops…working for MOST men…than the problem is NOT with man…but with the concept than man created. :)

  • Abbyrose86 : Adlib, I couldn’t agree more! Our economic system as it is today, is NOT working for the majority of folks…and as such it is causing great hardship in other factions of our lives. Here is an abbyism….”bus iness as well as other man made constructs exist to benefit MAN…mankind does NOT exist to benefit business or other man made constructs…as a result IF a man made construct is NOT

  • AdLib : If the consolidated wealth of corporations was more fairly distributed amongst the American people, I think we’d see many of these severe problems resolved or within reach of solving.

  • AdLib : Night Sally, really pleased you were able to join us in real time tonight! Have a nice weekend!

  • AdLib : We know that a bad diet can lead to obesity…but that’s not where it stops. Diabetes, heart disease, strokes, all of these other serious ailments stem from a core problem that is treatable. I do feel that at the root of most problems from joblessness to affording retirement, from education to Medicare and in and on, all comes down to a corrupt economic system that oppresses Americans.

  • SallyT : Well, Mansion (great dane) is demanding my attention. And, when he wants it you better give it. See you guys later. It has been fun.

  • Abbyrose86 : Good night Tex…it was a pleasure’ meeting’ up with you tonight!

  • Abbyrose86 : Adlib…Thank you for putting it that way…what a perfect example. Our society has our priorities mixed up and as a result we are not functioning properly. Sadly, many of our our young are suffering as a result.

  • AdLib : Nite Tex, enjoyed the chat! Don’t forget to lift with your legs, save that back!

  • AdLib : Abby – When a part of our body isn’t functioning properly, other parts can be affected and begin operating poorly. Society is no different, when one area is undermined, the effect on many other areas can ripple out. At the core of racism, poor education, healthcare, etc., it’s all about economic inequality.

  • texliberal : Goodnite all, it’s been my pleasure. Have to trim back a couple of 20 foot live oaks in the backyard tomorrow per instructions from my boss. I’ve been promising her for weeks. If ya don’t hear from me for awhile it’s because I’ll be in a body cast at a local hospital.

  • SallyT : Tex, I grew up in the 50’s, too. Although my mom wasn’t June Clever, she never went out without a hat and gloves. We always dressed up to go to town. Things were different.

  • Abbyrose86 : Again Adlib…BINGO… wealth inequality leads to social disorder…which creates an underclass of citizens who are unable to reach their full potential as citizens!

  • AdLib : AD – That is the way of The Planet, Grasshopper. Peace be with you!

  • ADONAI : It just came to me after I logged off. we just had a long, extensive conversation on education, FULL OF DISAGREEMENT, and not one person was insulted or verbally berated. Doesn’t anyone else find that WEIRD?! Great place. Nite folks!

  • AdLib : Night Khirad! See you soon!

  • AdLib : Night AD! Have a great weekend!

  • Abbyrose86 : Ah…Adlib…exa ctly!!1 OUR society and culture are messed up and are NOT handling our collective responsibilities properly

  • texliberal : Exactly Abbey. I grew up in the 50’s and Ward and June Cleaver were a figment of someone’s imagination

  • AdLib : Tex – Yes, this is the evil of a system that oppresses and drains parents just to earn enough to live on. It results in the neglect of their children and when they grow up into the same or likely worse standard of living, the neglect is passed on. Another argument for why the economic inequity in our society is the cause of so many of our problems.

  • Abbyrose86 : WANT to…but they are not able…they are human after all.

  • AdLib : Khirad – This is a big problem with our society. If parents don’t have certain intellectual skills, they can’t pass them onto their kids. But school isn’t designed to teach certain, more subjective and personal things to kids. So how do they acquire skills like critical thinking and reason? If they don’t learn it from the society around them, if our society functions on greed and selfishness, that is unfortunately what they’ll learn. If our society reflects reason and compassion, that is what they’ll learn. This is why I think that the slavery of our society to the superficial profoundly harms successive generations.

  • Abbyrose86 : Tex you bring up a good point, many parents are exhausted and can’t put in the time necessary…it’ s not that they don’t W

  • SallyT : Adonai, it has been fun playing with you again. See you tomorrow! Have a good rest of the night.

  • ADONAI : “Education is what remains after one has forgotten what one has learned in school.” ~Albert Einstein

  • Khirad : I’m going with AD. See y’all later at another battime and batchannel.

  • texliberal : Nite AD

  • ADONAI : Well kids, it is far past my bedtime. I must be going. Just mail my taco dinner to me. Good night folks. Peace be with you.

  • Khirad : And yes, school is about acquiring information, but since I had critical thinking skills, and questions, I knew that information was often bullshit. Shouldn’t we be teaching more than how to regurgitate test answers?

  • Abbyrose86 : As a parent, I found the whole school thing to be quite an education for myself as a parent. My kids had a very diverse experience. I had them in Catholic parochial schools, private schools an public schools. City and suburban…and I know this will come as a shock… {:)}BUT, I WAS always involved regardless what type of school they attended….I’m kinda bitchy and don’t take “this is the way we do it’ for an answer…..espec ially when my kids are involved….I found IF I insisted on something…rega rdless of the school….I usually got my way,.

  • SallyT : And, there are so many interesting things in our history. Lots of war games! Mysteries! Hidden treasures, too.

  • ADONAI : Indeed Sally. You have to make it interesting.

  • texliberal : AdLib, too many single parent and even two parent households working two, three jobs to get by. They’re exhausted and have little time to really get involved in their children’s education

  • ADONAI : To say school is just about learning is dishonest. You learn two things at school. Your book learning and your social skills. parents aren’t there. So who leads?

  • Khirad : Okay, but how will kids learn critical thinking if their parents never learned it, then?

  • SallyT : My grandsons know more old rock bands than I can ever remember from the Guitar Hero!

  • AdLib : I remember playing Masterpiece as a kid and learning about art. Video games can be educational too, not just about what a chain gun is.

  • SallyT : Adonai, you first got to get their interest and that is a start.

  • ADONAI : Educational gaming is a multi billion dollar industry though. They probably don’t need our endorsements :)

  • SallyT : Khirad, exactly. Education does need to move with the times. I learned the Founding Fathers in a coloring book.

  • AdLib : Chris’ point was well taken, too many parents look to schools to teach skills and abilities that they should be instilling in their kids. I don’t expect school to teach my daughter about critical thinking, if they do, great, but I feel that is something I need to teach her. Same with being independent, making good decisions through reason, etc. School is about acquiring information, Parents should be the primary ones honing a child’s sense of the world around them and how to respond to it.

  • ADONAI : I learned a lot of history from video games. It’s no substitute but it is helpful.

  • Khirad : Ditto on family line of teachers and what I hear from them, AD.

  • Abbyrose86 : THE great ones are really awesome…sadly there are some bad ones too…who only “do” the status quo or don’t want to rock the boat…I’ve encountered both and many in between in the years when my kids were in school.

  • Khirad : Laugh, but why not put it in video games, I mean, I remember playing Oregon Trail. Of course, we can’t give up on bare bones learning, but why not? Kinetic learning is real too.