• AdLib : Indeed, that feeling of guilt, of consigning a loved one to a facility instead of taking care of them does seem to lead to that mistake. People damage their own lives sometimes to take care of someone who, as you say, doesn’t even know the difference. When I was younger, my mother said if she became like that, she’d lived her life and I should have the chance to live mine. I adopted that philosophy and have shared it with others. Meanwhile, when my mother got older, she conveniently forgot ever telling me that. ;-)

  • kesmarn : Yes, AdLib, institutional care is not always the horror story it’s made out to be and it can save the sanity (if not the life and health) of the caregiver. Alzheimer’s patients (toward the end) have no idea who their caregivers are or whether they’re at home or not — sadly. Family members often wonder out loud if they “gave up too soon,” but it’s usually the opposite, they stressed themselves for too long — to the point of exhaustion– before they accepted help from a “home.” You can always go visit!

  • AdLib : Thanks Kes. Actually, my friend was messed up from doing that. You’re probably familiar with Alzheimer’s patients, it can be funny at times and horrible at others. When it’s your parent…I felt very bad for him but nothing could shake his determination to take care of them. Maybe I’m not as compassionate but there comes a point where self-preservatio n would kick in for me.

  • kesmarn : Oh Lord, AdLib (just saw your 2d from last comment) that guy is a saint! And — yes — I do have the weekend off. YAY! Will probably spend it with the Fave. You have a great weekend, too!

  • AdLib : Night Kes, have a great weekend (hope you’ve got the weekend off).

  • AdLib : Man…that’s rough. I had a friend who spent his 30s taking care of his mother who had Alzheimer’s then she passed away…and his father came down with it and he spent much of his 40s taking care of him. Very sorry for him.

  • kesmarn : Well,I’m feeling a little guilty keeping you guys after school, so I’d better say good night and let you give your significant others a hug!

  • kesmarn : Some of these family members put me to shame. One woman I took care of tonight has been cared for by her daughter for THIRTY THREE YEARS!

  • AdLib : But the thing is, you’re there for people. Glad it was a quiet night!

  • kesmarn : :oops: You art too kind, AdLib. Actually a relatively peaceful night on step-down coronary unit. No coronaries!

  • kesmarn : Hey, b’ito! Am I too late for Vox? :lol:

  • AdLib : Another day in the mobile office? You are one amazing person, Kes.

  • kesmarn : Yep. The usual life-saving and healing of the sick. :-)

  • AdLib : Hey Kes! Hope all is well!

  • kesmarn : G’night, AdLib! (I just got home from work,)

  • AdLib : Well, time to wrap this edition of Vox Populi. Thanks so much Khirad and Bito for a fun conversation! See you here, same time and place next week!

  • Khirad : Night Patsy.

  • AdLib : Sorry about that Patsy, have a nice weekend and hope the pup feels better soon!

  • PatsyT : Hey I will have to say nighty night… we have a doggy that is not well time to take the temp Hope you all have a great evening.

  • AdLib : A benefit of being 48% silicone and 52% oxygen.

  • PatsyT : Nothing on those girls shakes

  • AdLib : Even with his wives?

  • AdLib : That’s because no one likes him enough to do so.

  • PatsyT : Hey I heard today that Trump never shakes hands

  • AdLib : Obama will take a scalpel to the budget and a machete to Trump’s hair.

  • AdLib : Patsy – That’s a more concise way to describe Corporate America. Their social philosophy is simple, it’s just about: “F U Money”.

  • PatsyT : No sir they do not especially that one … It has been bushwacked!

  • Khirad : How to get that Trump look right «link»

  • AdLib : Patsy – Nice! But do people really want to vote for another Bush?

  • PatsyT : AdLib, my husband calls that F U money … Get enough so you can just say F U to everyone and everything

  • PatsyT : Donald Trump has a new look «link»

  • AdLib : Patsy – That’s the old school Corporate America, the Henry Ford school. They now attend the Killing The Golden Goose school. Grab all you can as fast as you can, cut that goose open and see if there’s gold in it then you’ll have more than enough money so you won’t have to worry about what happens because you killed the golden goose.

  • AdLib : Night CL, don’t forget to rinse your eyes so you can sleep soundly.

  • choicelady : AdLib – I think you may be right, but if I were a corporate power person, I’d like a BIT more intelligence in my supporters. So with that, I bid you adieu.

  • PatsyT : CL Have a great evening

  • PatsyT : Corporate America should be all about having a strong and thriving middle class after all isn’t that where the market is?

  • Khirad : Sweet dreams with that image burned in your head CL.

  • AdLib : CL – There’s an old showbiz phrase, “Give the people what they want”. The GOP has chased out most all moderates so the candidates have to reflect their remaining base. Only .5% of the population are millionaires and billionaires so the extremist morons left in the GOP make up the majority. Their candidate has to appeal to morons. If you look at it this way, reverse engineering, it does kind of make sense that they have the nutters they do as potential candidates.

  • choicelady : Well, having been whomperjawed at the Dildo Knights, I think I’m packing it in for the evening. Can’t TAKE all that excitement, Khirad! G’night all – sweet dreams!

  • PatsyT : AdLib I think David and Charles are a bit taller Maybe Scott Walker and… hmmmm ??

  • Khirad : Definitely not Patsy!

  • AdLib : Khirad – Was that Charles and David?

  • choicelady : I do think all of this illustrates how vulnerable these idiots all are. The idea that Trump is a Bagger in sympathy with working people is at the top, and everything else just falls into place. Their naked ambitions are scorchingly obvious now. What I do not understand is how the corporate ruling class let these bozos GET this far. They actually harm the acquisition potential of corporate America. You’d think they’d be wiser than that – can you imagine Carnegie, the Rockefellers, or anyone of that ilk linking their power and fortunes to such buffoons? Yikes.

  • PatsyT : Oh Boy Khirad that was more appropriate! Wow no won’t show the kids that stuff.

  • Khirad : It’s the Koch block defensive maneuver that will really save you their thrusts. And sorry Patsy, but they’re so NSFW. This is among the more appropriate: «link»

  • choicelady : AdLib – you were right the first time. Prey.

  • AdLib : Whoops…make that “pray”!

  • AdLib : Highlights from “KOCH FIGHT – ROUND 1!”: Newt puts Bachmann in a head lock then when she’s hospitalized, he divorces her even though he’s not married to her. Palin jumps in the ring then jumps out halfway through. Huckabee asks Pawlenty if they could prey first and when Pawlenty kneels, Huckabee kicks him in the balls. Trump has his apprentice Baggers carry their chairs up to the ring and beat the others senseless before declaring, “I am the greatest!” Romney keeps trying to get in the ring but Trump keeps pushing him back out.

  • PatsyT : Khirad Please do share!

  • PatsyT : CL !! LOL They can add some Bling Vocab to it while they are at it!

  • choicelady : Patsy – the bling contest though would possibly erupt in RW warfare between presidential candidates vying for the WWKWC (World Wide Koch Wrestling Championship) and being the MOST extreme 3:00 a.m. televangelist. We could hope that might be the dividing line twixt the religious and secular Right: Bling Warfare.

  • AdLib : CL – I’m with you, I do think that the GOP is made up of so many damaged and resentful people who see that party as license to “get even” or return cruelty on the world that didn’t treat them the way they wanted.

  • Khirad : “Will the Koch Fights have big belts with huge medal medallions for the winners?” Oh CL, I have videos I’ve come across on the internet… :lol:

  • PatsyT : HA Bito! So Now I know who that creep at the Walgreens is!

  • choicelady : AdLib – I will NOT dispute you on his actions. I just think he may have been warped growing up looking like the twin of Yertle. But he’s crossed the line and is not the least sympathetic today. But he IS funny to look at (except, I agree, his mouth…)

  • bito : “@MiltShook: Jon Kyl arrested in DC Walgreen’s after offering to give women pap smears. #NotIntendedToBe AFactualStatemen t”

  • PatsyT : Choice it would be fitting for the GOP wantabees to get all blinged out.

  • AdLib : CL – McConnell is one of the most powerful people in our nation, no sympathy here for someone who uses the mouth of a turtle to shell 99% of this nation.

  • choicelady : AL – Poor Mitch – to be a human cartoon cannot be easy.

  • PatsyT : Thats the ticket AdLib! They love titles for their disasters

  • AdLib : CL – One mouth I can’t look at too long without my eyes throwing up is Mitch McConnell. Somewhere there is a painting of a turtle with a human mouth.

  • choicelady : Patsy – Will the Koch Fights have big belts with huge medal medallions for the winners? It all seems fitting. Depending on how you pronounce their name though – could be ILLEGAL Koch fighting.

  • AdLib : CNN is hosting a debate with the TP, why not call that, “Koch FIght – Round One!”

  • choicelady : AL – the open mouth thing is not even hyperbole. I’ve wondered for years why they so often seem to have their mouths at least partly open ALL THE TIME? It’s like watching someone watch porn. Eeeuuuuuww. When Reagan was Prez, a wonderful artist drew pen and ink sketches of him and some of his cabinet calling them “Men with no lips”. (Go back. Take a look.) It all began to change with Dan Quayle, master Frat Boy and mouth breather.

  • AdLib : CL – I know society has become more crass over time but the GOP is ahead of the curve on this. They should change their mascot to pigs rolling in the mud.

  • PatsyT : Koch fight LOL! That needs to be the name of the first debate

  • AdLib : CL – They can’t think before they open their mouths because their mouths are always hanging open…as drool drips down.

  • choicelady : AL – I never thought I’d live to see the day when the GOP fight for president would be at EXACTLY the same level of intelligence and insight as bikini mud wrestling and smack downs.

  • AdLib : CL – I can’t wait for the Repub primaries. The way they will all elbow each other to be more extreme and more right wing, the way they’ll try to hump the legs of Baggers better than the other, the crazy shit they’ll come up with…and once the race narrows down, though they may all be more cordial in debates up until then, the hatred of the New GOP will turn their race into a savage Koch fight!