Please join us here tonight for live blogging during President Obama’s State of the Union address.

Until then, please feel free to have an open discussion on Pres. Obama, the upcoming speech and what you think will happen in the upcoming year

Here is how AP previews the speech:

The president will devote about two-thirds of the 9 p.m. EST speech to the economy, emphasizing his ideas, some new but mostly old and explained anew, for restoring job growth, taming budget deficits and changing Washington’s ways.

To address economic fears, Obama will prod Congress to enact a second stimulus package and to provide new financial relief for the middle class. To acknowledge frustration at the government’s habit of spending more than it has, he will seek a three-year freeze on some domestic spending (while proposing a 6.2 percent, or $4 billion, increase in the popular arena of education and supporting the debt-financed jobs bill) and announce he’s creating a bipartisan deficit-reduction task force. To tackle the capital’s polarized atmosphere, he will call on Republicans and Democrats to redouble efforts at cooperation.

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kesmarn
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I realize I should never, ever pay any attention to what this blowhard says, but this just struck me as so over the top that I couldn’t ignore it:

“LIMBAUGH: I penned a message to Obama that I would like to deliver now. Because, Mr. Obama, I think it’s time we had a heart-to-heart talk. Let me be the father that you never had or never really knew. Because I think you need some guidance. It’s time to man up. It’s time to grow up.

That speech last night was an embarrassment. You couldn’t focus. You lashed out in all directions. You refused to accept responsibility for your own actions, and you were angry. And he was, folks. He’s mad. Being president is big job. It’s a big responsibility. You wanted the position, Barack. You campaigned for it. You told the public to trust you with it, and they elected you. And you’re now president of the greatest country mankind has ever known, and yet you act like this was all coming to you, like you deserve it, that you’re better than the people you are supposed to serve.”

How low does someone have to be, to attack another on the point that his father was not involved in his growing up? I’m sure the children of single parents everywhere are thanking Limbaugh right now. And that’s just the start of his vicious remarks.

If this guy had no influence, I would just chalk this up to one person’s psychosis. But you’d be amazed at the number of people who take their marching orders from him.

What a horrible, horrible person he is.

bito
Member

k’es, is it too soon to start a drinking game? So what!
Fuck Flush!

kesmarn
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Heh! That would be too good for him, b’ito!
I know he’s incredibly jealous of the President, but I really wish he’d give it a rest for just five minutes! He’s obsessed.

LABC63
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LABC63

I missed the MSNBC analysis of the speech, so I missed Chris Matthews put his foot in it again. I watched the Daily Show and got Jon Stewart’s ( I will leave hubby for you, Jon, call me!)hilarious review of the “I forgot he was black for an hour” comment. Stewart referred to ole Tweety as being one scotch away from turning into Ron Burgundy (“Anchorman”). Also a funny bit about CNN, that doofus John King’s bouncy maps, twitter, and “the best political team on TV” bullshit.

Why does it take a comedy show and sometimes Olbermann to point out the dismal state of the media these days?

Chernynkaya
Member

In an weird way, I sometime like watching Tweety. I think he totally represents a huge segment of voters– not only on policy, but especially on attitude. He’s sometimes liberal, but a real establishment guy–and ridiculously sentimental. I often cringe though; he’s embarrassing and a terrible interviewer. And that ego! But if I could only watch one msnbc show, it would have to be Rachel.

BigDogMom
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BigDogMom

I think my husband is secretly in love with Rachel, he watched her show twice last night!

LABC63
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LABC63

I agree with you, especially about the embarassing part. He can be incredibly insightful at times, but he can wipe that away with an equally dense comment.

As a black woman, I have encountered that sort of person who thinks that they are complimenting you by saying that, but it just comes off like “you are a credit to your race” comment. uhh…thanks…Chris…

BigDogMom
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BigDogMom

LAB, I love the Daily show and I am on my way to watch last nights show now, can never seem to stay awake to catch it.

You’d think that the MSM would take note of the two shows that you mention and clean up their act…

LABC63
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LABC63

Good morning!! Any time MSM is asked to look in a mirror, they manage to have an conflicting appointment.

Khirad
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For the record, I called both the CNN ridiculous magic wall and 12,000 “analysts” in one room. I knew they’d be there. And I saw Chris Matthews “seduction” comment and “black” comment and knew they’d make it on Jon. So nailed Chris with that Scotch comment (though I would have gone with Jameson’s). Colbert also caught on to the Jefferson Davis infomercial.

On the topic of media, Mika and Joe made themselves somewhat useful (I know I’m treading into heresy here, I know – I have my problems with them, but once in a while they serve a purpose) by pressing the Lt. Gov. in South Carolina on his comments about comparing poor (we are left to infer black) children to wild animals and he again said it was a metaphor. Being a SC GOP primary debate, I know it wasn’t accidental he didn’t back off on the comment. Simply said he wouldn’t have worded it that way again (but showed no recognition of what he’d said being heinously wrong).

LABC63
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LABC63

I try to watch Morning Joe, but I find his smirk and faux Mr. Rogers sweater vest look insuffferable. But, compared to what is one elsewhere, it has some moments.

KQµårk 死神
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Rashomon Lite after the SOTU speech.

Drudge Report: WHAT IS SHE UP TO? HILLARY SKIPS STATE OF UNION

Huffington Post Main: ‘I DON’T QUIT’

Arianna Huffington: Obama’s State of the Focus Group Speech

Faux News: Obama Plugs Health Care, But Says Jobs Are Priority

MSNBC: Obama takes on

Khirad
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bito
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Khirad,

“On this, Drudge reclaims its rightful place for misleading sensationalism.”

Duh, She is working Matt, she is in London at the international conference on helping Afghanistan. Read a paper, man. Watch the headlines on the BEEB. Check the internets, ya boob! Do some reporter work!

nellie
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There’s a new HP headline up now:

“The Last Man Hoping for Bipartisanship”

And here’s the comment I left:

Only HP could wrangle a snarky headline out of THAT speech.

WOW — I’m impressed. And disgusted.

This progressive whining has got to stop.

Gretel1or2
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Gretel1or2

Yes I saw that ridiculous headline. I also saw AH running her mouth on Larry King last night. Of course, her intellectually lazy critique was so predictable I changed the channel 5 seconds later.

bito
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How does one let MSNBC/CNN know that HP is NOT a progressive voice?
I don’t care if AH is on, just don’t introduce her with credentials saying she is progressive!

nellie
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Agreed. It’s a harmful misrepresentation.

Chernynkaya
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We’re working on just that issue, Bito! 🙂

It takes a little time is all.

Khirad
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I have never made but one prayer to God: ‘O Lord, make my enemies ridiculous.’ And God granted it.

– Voltaire

KQµårk 死神
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I saw that quote either on a Huffy post or reaction column. I did very much apply to this SOTU speech though. Many times Republicans were exposed for not being in line with the people especially in how to deal with bank regulations and with taxes on bailout money. But now her highness would call that just Obama pandering not what it really is good politics and policy.

Khirad
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Yeah, I totally stole this and the Confederacy quip (mad on that one for not making the same point) from there. This was WW, of course. I thought about citing it.

Also stolen: The GOP response was like an infomercial.

KQµårk 死神
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I did not mean to imply thievery. I just thought it was a funny coincidence. Anyway citing quotes are many times the best way to express good points.

Khirad
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No, I fully implicate myself of my own accord. BSM pointed out the Virginia Assembly was designed by Jefferson – wonder what he would have felt about the Bible quotes and supply-side Jesus.

Chernynkaya
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Allrighty Friends, it’s time to get some shuteye! See you tomorrow, I hope.

Khirad
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Night. Come back soon.

Kalima
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Good night Cher, sleep well.

I have to leave soon too, a date with my father on Skype in about 20 minutes. See you on the MB maybe. Sleep well everyone.

KQµårk 死神
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Night Cher. Don’t be a stranger. I really appreciate your insight.

Khirad
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Anyone notice the significance that they held a separate mini-State of the Union in the former capitol of the Confederacy?

KQµårk 死神
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Yup the Old Dominion.

Marion
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Hey … even though we’ve got an idiot in the State House, we’re still BLUE …

Kalima
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The Queen Bee gives her 1 cent or should that be drachma worth.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/arianna-huffington/obamas-state-of-the-focus_b_439732.html

Chernynkaya
Member

Yep, that’s going into my “Obama/negative HP articles” archive! That was really scathing and uncalled for. I saw Markos Moulitsas on KO’s show and even he was fairly positive in he assessment of the speech. Wow. Arianna so obviously has it in for Obama.

Kalima
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I just got this in an email, I haven’t taken my name off her “fan of” list yet and I don’t go there any other time.

Maybe she made him an offer he could refuse and she wasn’t invited for dinner, remember?

Whatever, people who actually followed the speech from beginning to end will know about her “sour grapes” attack. Really nasty, she seems to evaluate people in her own shallow image.

Chernynkaya
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I really dislike when people use this term when discussing a woman, but I can’t find a better word– she sounds shrill. Shrill with a dash of bitter and a hefty pinch of envy– that’s her recipe for an editorial stew.

Kalima
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I agree Cher, the woman is bitter and very envious and as KQ suggested above, really believes that she can do a better job of being the President. Who on earth would vote for her when even I can’t understand a word she’s talking about. Don’t they have a pill for her nasty condition?

Chernynkaya
Member

Tracey Ullman as the queen:

Khirad
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Chernynkaya
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She is really perfect and hilarious! If only she could portray the real AH!

Kalima
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She is brilliant, I saw her in a clip Khirad posted yesterday.

KQµårk 死神
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😆 Tracy is one of my favorites.

KQµårk 死神
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As you know some people especially extreme narcissists like Aryanna just cannot get our of their own heads. They think they can never be wrong and can do the job better than anyone else in any circumstance.

Chernynkaya
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KQ– that’s it, really. How could I have missed the just plain narcissism. That’s all it boils down to.

Kalima
Admin

She reminds me of the words of an old song.

“I love myself! I love myself!
I’m crazy about myself!!”

KQµårk 死神
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I don’t remember that one Kalima. You’ve got to post it sometime.

Marion
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Thank GOODNESS, she can’t run for POTUS. She’s a naturalised citizen. Poor Whoreanna … born Greek and kicked out of the country because Daddy was – surprise surprise – a corrupt politician. Kicked out of the UK because the grown-up intelligent media refused to take her seriously. Now she’s a bought and paid for American. She doesn’t give a rat’s ass about this country, and it’s good to see a LOT of people on HP are calling her out on that post. One woman called her out on speaking out for the middle class when she hasn’t a clue. She’s an opportunist. I am disappointed in Maher. He should know better, but he’s got lazy. Maybe he’s ready to come out of both closets now – the Republican one and the BIG one. He’s seriously running out of beards.

KQµårk 死神
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Ouch! But I think there are many shrill sounding men as well but it does not have to do with the tenor of their voice but the offending nature of their sharp retorts to anyone that is trying to help the country.

She obviously wrote most of the article before the speech was over and they were her same complaints about Clinton. She is totally dishonest and unimaginative. Does she really think people are that stupid and believe she wrote this editorial and appeared on TV at the same time? A more manly term for her would be that she is a true hater.

Chernynkaya
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I’ll go along with “hater” no problem! But that reminds me: I noticed that all the pundits today had an advanced copy of the speech (which means AH could have written it earlier with some excuse– which I give grudgingly). Why do Presidents do that– give advanced copies I mean? What’s the purpose? And people discuss the speech beforehand, which to me takes away the excitement/anticipation.

KQµårk 死神
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I gotcha. I just thought they gave outlines. Thanks for the lesson. But that even makes her more petty in my eyes.

Chernynkaya
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But KQ– I was serious– I don’t understand why they do that! What’s the point of giving out the speech do you think?

KQµårk 死神
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I really don’t know. It does not make sense. That’s one reason why I did not know they even did that.

Plus a speech on paper is really not what a speech is all about. A speech is a dynamic where the delivery and reception are just as important as the words.

The worse part is Arianna was wrong he did not say things that were just popular. The context Arianna refused to consider is most people like Democratic ideas.

KQµårk 死神
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She is speaking to her base of lemmings and cannot say anything good about Obama or they will be disappointed. The only president she will be happy with is herself.

Her claims of pandering were almost exactly what she said about Clinton. What she calls pandering is recognizing the people’s concerns. If it was only a poll based speech he would have dropped healthcare and climate change legislation from the agenda since neither is popular now.

Kalima
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Expect Maher to mimick her cockeyed views any time soon.

Marion
Member

He only whined that Nader was right, that both parties are exactly the same and moaned about no defence cuts. Trust me: NO country cuts a defence budget.

I really wish something could be done about Huffington. Something like invoking sedition, stripping her of her naturalised citizenship and post her ass back to Greece. They’re in heavy crisis at the moment, and I’m sure they’d welcome her help. Not.

LABC63
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LABC63

A very good speech and I enjoyed watching the republicans being caught flat footed at times. I tend to zone out the commentary afterwards because I find the insta polling by CNN and its self serving “best political team” crap tiresome. And I did not go on HuffPost because I could write their faux progressive headlines in my sleep. But I am glad to see Zsa Zsa Huffington is deigning to enlighten the unwashed masses about the speech.

🙂

KQµårk 死神
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Yeah we need a Rashomon post desperately. 😉

Khirad
Member

It’s just sad over there. The usual Faustian left, and weak, weak, weak teabaggers.

whatsthatsound
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You can almost see her mind working on this. Hmm….I have to be very critical of this speech, what can I say about it….he made a lot of good points…that’s not much to go on….oh, how ’bout this? He made a LOT of good points, so that means he was trying to please a LOT of people! I’ll write that he was pandering! Perfect!”

Nice mental jiu jutsu there.

Chernynkaya
Member

WTS– that’s pretty clever, actually!! I think you nailed it.

whatsthatsound
Member

Thanks! I’m betting I’m not too far off. One thing we can easily guess is that she was planning to hit whatever came out of his mouth. He could have combined The Gettysburg Address, the “I Have a Dream” speech and the soliloquy from Hamlet; it wouldn’t have made a bit of difference.

Chernynkaya
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No, I really mean it– I think that what you described IS EXACTLY how her mind worked. And the worst part is, she will allow no dissenting comments to that screed.

Kalima
Admin

I tried to hear this in her voice and yes, it sounds just like her scrambled meanderings. Perfect!

whatsthatsound
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Domo, Kalima!

Kalima
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Hello wts! Willkommen!

KQµårk 死神
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I love it “mental jiu jutsu”. Got to remember that one. Much better than using cliches like “mental gymnastics” and “pretzel logic”.

Worse it’s the same way she attacked Clinton so it was not even original.

whatsthatsound
Member

the art of using your opponents’ strengths against him or her. The speech didn’t really have many weaknesses to hold against it, so she had to improvise.

KQµårk 死神
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The people are in line with Democratic policies even though they begrudgingly accept that themselves sometimes. A big part of any SOTU is to lay out the policies a Democratic president would naturally want. Just because they are in line with what people want does not make it pandering. There is correlation which is far different than cause and effect. Her column was incredibly and intellectually feeble and dishonest.

KQµårk 死神
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But I do believe Obama practiced the art in his speech much better than the queen bee did in her column. Obama is a master black belt compared to her being a novice white belt methinks.

Well I think I beat the shit our of that metaphor to death. 😉

KQµårk 死神
Member

Snapshot of the peoples response to the SOTU speech.

CBS Sample Shows Obama Gains Support

CBS News and Knowledge Networks assembled a diverse panel of Americans and asked them to participate in a pre-and-post speech survey about Obama’s speech. Before the speech, about 57% of those present said they believed that the President has the same concerns about policies as they did. After the speech, it was up to 74%. After the speech, 83% of those in the sample said they supported the proposals he outlined. Before the speech, only 40% of those in the sample though the administration had a clear jobs plan. After: 59% did.

Jeebus this reminds me how fickle American are about Obama.

escribacat
Member

No kidding. Those numbers tell a lot more about the knuckleheads in the audience than they do about Obama.

PatsyT
Member

So true and it tells you a lot about the ones
that have been supporting him all along
Maybe they read a bit more and pay attention.

Hopeington
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Hopeington

That’s because Obama’s language is straight forward, without the spin. He was very clear and direct, like I said, I think he is in control of the message and hope he runs with it.
I’m glad he laid his plans out before the MSM got hold of it.
It was refreshing.

Khirad
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Alito:

KQµårk 死神
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No Alito you lied and broke legal precedent to boot.

Do any of these right wingers have impulse control?

escribacat
Member

That’s pretty good. Boy, what a stony-faced crew!

PatsyT
Member

HA !! you can read his lips !
Stay Classy Sam !

Chernynkaya
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I was wondering– It is protocol for the SCOTUS to never applaud or show any emotion? And that Alito– the only thought I had as I watched him was how healthy and vigorous he looked. That depressed me.

Hopeington
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Hopeington

I confess…me too, only I thought it days ago!!
I felt a wee bit bad, but I’m human.

Chernynkaya
Member

I wouldn’t begrudge him a long life if his job wasn’t for a lifetime! Given that, I don;t think we need to feel too guilty. 🙂

Khirad
Member

Yes. There’s even been debate that they are there at all, it being a theatrical display of partisanship.

SanityNow
Member

actually, it really has never happened that the SC justices show emotion one way or another at a SOTU, except to applaud a guest or other non-political figure.

Alito blew it huge with his uncontrollable angry nervous tick. Now he just made himself look like one of the many sour Republican ideologues. I am glad President Obama spanked them in public for what they did. It was a bonus that Alito took the bate and exposed himself like that.

Chernynkaya
Member

Thanks Sanity. Since I never watched W’s SOTU ( and I guess I forgot during Clinton) I never noticed the Supremes before now.

And I was thinking about Alito and I realized that I am glad he was an ass, but because it might mean he feels defensive about one of the worst decisions of all time. And if he feels the need to defend it, that might mean he feels guilty.

Chernynkaya
Member

Hey Khirad– or anyone–do you know who the woman seated in the second row to the far right of Alito is? The one wearing a man’s suit?

Khirad
Member

She looks wise. I think she’s thinkin’ that Alito’s got some ‘splainin’ to do.

Chernynkaya
Member

Hah! 😆 No, not Sotomayor– the one looking back at Alito– in the MAN”S suit of all things!

Khirad
Member

Oh, Patty Murray?

One of the most powerful senators you’ve never heard of. And that’s not just the Washington native speaking. – were you playing to that? 😉

bito
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Text of President Obama’s State of the Union Address
http://www.kvoa.com/news/text-of-president-obamas-state-of-the-union-address/

First one I found .

Khirad
Member

Did you see Grijalva’s and McCain’s responses?

BTW, is it raining where you be?

bito
Member

No on the responses, yes on the rain!

Khirad
Member

Grijalva – to paraphrase – said screw ’em. If you think they’ll accept bipartisanship, you’re na

Kalima
Admin

Nighty night bito, rest well.

PatsyT
Member

Hey everyone,
I just watched the recording of the speech
Loved It !
My hands are tired from all the applause!
I have not listened to any the talkers or repub response
I don’t feel like I need to.
He said it all.
We really have ourselves a Real President !

KQµårk 死神
Member

Yeah really the Republican response what a waste of time and money. It takes less than a second to say no. Doing the response like a campaign event was so shallow.

PatsyT
Member

Thanks KQuark you have saved me time
I’ll take a pass on that response
Who was it anyway?

Hopeington
Member
Hopeington

A governor so milk toast I forgot his name and where he’s from.
Once again they sounded like that hadn’t heard Obama’s speech at all.
It was all so yesterday. Silly, contrived and childish are the words that come to mind.
I do feel like Obama got “control of the message”. I hope he can keep it!
I’m there,
and Cher summed it up best
“I am not even disappointed anymore. He is not the fighter nor the left-of-center guy I wanted. Nevertheless, he

KQµårk 死神