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AdLib On November - 18 - 2016
Vox Populi, our weekly live chat begins tonight at 7:00pm PST. Hope to see you then!
AdLib 7 days ago
Hey PPO!
AdLib 7 days ago
You’re not signed in, you can’t post until you are.
AdLib 7 days ago
Hey glenn!
AdLib 7 days ago
Hey Ad, how are you?
glenn

7 days ago
Well…recovering still from the election.
AdLib 7 days ago
Hey Funk!
AdLib 7 days ago
Hey all, can’t stay long, but hi! Everyone starting to recover a little?
funksands

7 days ago
Me, too. I still cannot believe the orange headed one is our president elect. I truly think I’m depressed.
glenn

7 days ago
Hey Funk. Nope, still not recovering. Don’t think I ever will. I am so bummed!
glenn

7 days ago
Glenn, it could be worse, it could have been Ted Cruz
funksands

7 days ago
Ted Cruz, the SCOTUS judge you mean?
AdLib 7 days ago
Funk–if you say so.
glenn

7 days ago
Ad, good idea, but he’s too old. They’ll nominate Barron Trump to make sure the seat stays filled for another 80 years
funksands

7 days ago
So which is worse, Cruz as a SCOTUS judge or prez? Geez, I can’t believe I’m even asking that questin!
glenn

7 days ago
..question!
glenn

7 days ago
Funk – That was really suggested.
AdLib 7 days ago
President. Can’t bring on armageddon as SCOTUS
funksands

7 days ago
Glenn, my wife is right there with you. Gutted, crushed and wiped
funksands

7 days ago
Hey Fuzzy!
AdLib 7 days ago
Funk–once again, if you say so. I still can’t believe the one we have. We are now living in the land of the republicans. They control over 30 states, and all three branches of the federal government. It just bums me out!
glenn

7 days ago
Hey Peeps!
Fuzzy Dunlop

7 days ago
What’s up Ad?
Fuzzy Dunlop

7 days ago
FD – Just waiting for the massive uprising. How about you?
AdLib 7 days ago
We are through the looking glass, floks!
Fuzzy Dunlop

7 days ago
Funk, that’s a good way to put how I feel–gutted, crushed, and wiped! I still cannot believe my fellow citizens voted for this cretin!
glenn

7 days ago
Hey FD! Yup, through the looking glass we are and we haven’t hit bottom yet, either!
glenn

7 days ago
Yeah, me too. I must find a nice viewing spot. It won’t be pretty! Our American government has been taken over by fascists. I never would have believed it.
Fuzzy Dunlop

7 days ago
Trump is hiring some real fanatics. Not a good sign of things to come.
Fuzzy Dunlop

7 days ago
FD–I think my viewing spot is going to be under the covers of my bed!
glenn

7 days ago
Glenn, you are completely entitled to your bum. I’m giving myself until December 1st to mourn and then its time to get angry and busy
funksands

7 days ago
I think Huckabee was a nice choice to usher in the return of the Lord in Israel
funksands

7 days ago
I couldn’t even come here last Friday. I just had to stay away from politics for a while. I binged watched some good stuff though.
Fuzzy Dunlop

7 days ago
Funk–good plan. I may have to wait until after Dec. 30th; that’s my oldest (step)granddaughter’s wedding day. So, maybe after Jan. 2nd.
glenn

7 days ago
Fuzzy no doubt. We popped on some Broadway musicals and tuned out of the social media cesspool and tv for a while
funksands

7 days ago
Glenn, good new years resolution
funksands

7 days ago
Like Mr. Zimmerman famously sang, “A hard rain’s gonna fall!”
Fuzzy Dunlop

7 days ago
I think this whole election was Hamilton backlash. White America not ready for a black Thomas Jefferson
funksands

7 days ago
FD–me too…regarding last Friday. Except I played scrabble online.
glenn

7 days ago
Yeah funk, I had to. I just couldn’t take it any more. I’m slowly coming back. A lot of bad shit down the road, I fear.
Fuzzy Dunlop

7 days ago
Facing all the hitmakers from the Bush years with an extra dash of total unpredictability is not good for my health
funksands

7 days ago
Jeff Sessions as AG? Holy Jeebus! Himler himself, or not far from it.
Fuzzy Dunlop

7 days ago
Funk–That is the only explanation…eight years of stupid white men being fed hate every day had to have an explosion sooner or later. And the president elect is the explosion.
glenn

7 days ago
Everything will come crashing down on Trump, his cabinet will assure that.
AdLib 7 days ago
Glenn its probably a bit more complicated than that, but certainly you’ve touched on a main theme
funksands

7 days ago
Yeah, an explosive made of shit!
Fuzzy Dunlop

7 days ago
FD–is AG a post that has to be approved of by the Senate?
glenn

7 days ago
Glenn, yep
funksands

7 days ago
I think you might be right, Ad. He’ll get himself in trouble.
Fuzzy Dunlop

7 days ago
I’m not sure glenn. I don’t think so.
Fuzzy Dunlop

7 days ago
FD–yup, the toilets of America definitely overflowed on Nov. 8th.
glenn

7 days ago
A cabinet of unstable pasty, unhinged white men: Oregon standoff or Trump’s cabinet?
funksands

7 days ago
Screwed the wording up lol
funksands

7 days ago
Well, our democracy will be sorely tested. Especially the constitution.
Fuzzy Dunlop

7 days ago
Funk–I truly don’t think it’s more complicated than that, other than the fact that after eight years of being led by a black man, stupid white men couldn’t take being led by a woman. And the women that voted for trump are a mystery to me! I just cannot imagine in a million years voting for him!
glenn

7 days ago
FD, no doubt. I’m hopeful that the Trump administration will be satisfied by enriching themselves at the public trough and won’t have the appetite to truly remake our institutions
funksands

7 days ago
Funk–the answer to your question is yes!
glenn

7 days ago
I hope these assholes don’t start WWIII! It’s not an impossibility.
Fuzzy Dunlop

7 days ago
Trump has already pissed of Saudi Arabia. He said we won’t buy any more of their oil.
Fuzzy Dunlop

7 days ago
Remember, everything Trump says is really reflecting himself. So when he whined about draining the swamp, he really revealed that he will be filling the swamp.
AdLib 7 days ago
Like Jon Stewart said, those guys ARE the swamp.
Fuzzy Dunlop

7 days ago
Or I should say, everything that Trump complains about, is true about him.
AdLib 7 days ago
Funk–trump may not have the appetite to remake our institutions, but don’t forget little boy ryan. He’s chomping at the bit to enact every single piece of right wing legislation to make sure that people are unhappy with government.
glenn

7 days ago
Over / under on days spent in the White House year 2? 24 days
funksands

7 days ago
Hey Murph!
AdLib 7 days ago
“Forget the basket, the truly deplorable ones end up in the cabinet” – John Dingell
funksands

7 days ago
Ryan is a real snake in the grass. He’s a frickin Ayn Rand zealot too.
Fuzzy Dunlop

7 days ago
Funk – Have you seen Trump’s face when having to prepare for being President? I’ve never seen him look more depressed.
AdLib 7 days ago
Good one, funk.
Fuzzy Dunlop

7 days ago
Ad, really it couldn’t be clearer that he is really regretting this whole thing. The dog finally caught the car and now doesn’t know what to do.
funksands

7 days ago
Trump can’t handle a real job, especially one as tough as POTUS. I guess that’s what Mike Pence is for. I don’t know whose worse, Pence or Trump.
Fuzzy Dunlop

7 days ago
FD, that’s why his kids are going to run the Executive branch
funksands

7 days ago
A bit of a conflict of interest there. Bigly!
Fuzzy Dunlop

7 days ago
Cabinet of Deplorables. BTW, Hillary profoundly hurt herself by generalizing about Trump voters like that. Even if it’s true to a degree, what competent politician says something like that at a public event?
AdLib 7 days ago
Funk–doesn’t make any difference how much time he spends in the WH. He can still do a lot of damage from his golden throne in his penthouse. And, I know how stupid it is of me to point this out; but how many times have repubs pointed out that President Obama (man, am I going to miss him) doesn’t spend enough time in the WH? Think they’ll complain about trump not being there?
glenn

7 days ago
I thought that as soon as I heard her say it. I thought, while true, bad move, politically.
Fuzzy Dunlop

7 days ago
Today, I had a leader in the African American Community, a Minister, tell me that Dr King would be deeply disturbed by this election. “It seems clear to me,” she told me, “that had we done as Dr. King would have had us do, had we honored the vote that Dr. King fought for, had we been responsible….Hillary Clinton would have won.”
MurphTheSurf3

7 days ago
FD–once again, I have to remind you all that it’s going to be ryan running the government, with a little help from the turtle.
glenn

7 days ago
“You have to believe that your only real power, your only lasting influence lies in your right to vote AND your exercise of that vote each and every time an election comes your way…..and nothing should stand in the way of that…no matter how hard….you must vote. Everyone one of us who is eligible must register and then vote. And so many do not. Not voting gets us…Donald Trump and his administration which is bound to hurt us. Why shouldn’t they? They owe us nothing and they have nothing to fear from us. We do not use each and every vote to make us count. I fear that the clock is turning back and my community share in the responsibility for this happening. “
MurphTheSurf3

7 days ago
turns out, that basket was a lot bigger than she thought. Hell, it was bigger than I thought.
Fuzzy Dunlop

7 days ago
But here’s the trap with Trump…the Trump Trap that is. It was demonstrated in his campaign as well. He will let others make decisions for a while then his insecurity will grab him by the throat and he’ll insist on making a terrible decision. It will happen repeatedly in the next 4 years.
AdLib 7 days ago
Glenn, Trump doesn’t concern me all that much. Never has. Symbolically its deeply embarrassing, but the GOP continuing their stranglehold over state legislatures, the SC, and Congress is what will really tear things up. Almost unlimited power to roll out complete institutional transformation
funksands

7 days ago
And no more Executive at the wall standing guard to stop it.
funksands

7 days ago
Hey Murph–yes, those who didn’t vote are not allowed to complain about anything trump or his cabinet, or ryan does!
glenn

7 days ago
Who’s guarding the guards?–Abbey Hoffman
Fuzzy Dunlop

7 days ago
Do you all think that schumer will stand up to ryan?
glenn

7 days ago
Two quotes from a woman with 30 years of experience in urban environments…..she and many of her associates believe that unless this battle is won then the future is overwhelmingly bleak.
MurphTheSurf3

7 days ago
Trump did better among AA and Latino voters this election than Romney did
funksands

7 days ago
Glenn, lol
funksands

7 days ago
I think we just went back to the 1960s. And not in the way I’d like to.
Fuzzy Dunlop

7 days ago
Funk – That is the perfect metaphor for Trump, the dog who finally catches the car. He looks gobsmacked and intimidated. And part of him knows most in the world and the country dislike and distrust him. So every decision will only generate greater hatred of him. That’s hard when you’re ego-mad.
AdLib 7 days ago
Reality IS crashing down on him…BIGLY!
Fuzzy Dunlop

7 days ago
Ad, he’s a one-term president (if that) which sets up perfectly for the mother of all elections. 2020 has been the critical election since the 2010 debacle
funksands

7 days ago
Yes, glenn…..I placed those quotes because the meeting was like ice water splashing down in torrent after torrent. As bad as it looks…..after today I think it is worse.
MurphTheSurf3

7 days ago
Funk, I agree completely. The repubs now have the power to screw up the entire country, and the sad thing is, they’re itching to do it. It probably won’t affect me much, since I’m retired, and already on Medicare (with supplemental insurance), but those younger than me and of a different complexion, will have a rough road to hoe the next four years.
glenn

7 days ago
I think Trump will get in trouble with trying to run his business. I know the kids are supposed to, but he’ll intervene. His ego is too big.
Fuzzy Dunlop

7 days ago
He is only a one term president IF the Dems wake up…..please note the quote…..
MurphTheSurf3

7 days ago
hopefully he won’t even last 4 years. That’s unlikely though. Dems don’t like to impeach presidents. It makes us look dysfunctional (which we are now).
Fuzzy Dunlop

7 days ago
Murph – There’s unfotrunately plenty of blame to go around for why Hillary lost, AA turnout was a contributor indeed as was Dem turnout in general. A weak, uninspiring candidate produced a weak, uninspired turnout. But as I say, had the Comey Coup not happened, she might have won anyway. Guess Comey’s pretty happy. Wait until he sees what happens now thanks to him.
AdLib 7 days ago
Murph, if the GOP locks down the House, Statehouses and Governhips in 2020. The game is over. They’ll craft a nearly impenetrable set of obstacles to overcome.
funksands

7 days ago
I was a doomsayer here for many months….living where I do I saw the anger, the frustration, the fear and the complete lack of rationality in my backyard. And I saw the lethargy in St. Louis. I drew from that.
MurphTheSurf3

7 days ago
What gets me is, Hillary won the popular vote. Not by much, but still.
Fuzzy Dunlop

7 days ago
Funk…and what is to stop them?
MurphTheSurf3

7 days ago
Murph, that’s good perspective. People here in my town couldn’t have been more surprised.
funksands

7 days ago
I was, as the Brits say…gobsmacked!
Fuzzy Dunlop

7 days ago
Ad…..the group had the maps up and showed that Wi. Mi. Pa. had the AA vote been as was expected she would have won….as one minister put it. “I don’t care that she was not all you wanted her to be….the other guy was nothing you wanted AND our people did not get that.”
MurphTheSurf3

7 days ago
Murph, an extra 3-4% turnout nationally that vote Democrat. That’s a big number, but it’s in the realm of reality. Schumer, Pelosi, Clinton et al aren’t going to move the needle enough.
funksands

7 days ago
Funk, we don’t have to wait for 2020 for the gop to lock down the house, etc. They’ve already done it. I’m so mad that Dems kept telling us they had this great ground game compared to trump’s ground game. Yet, although Hillary won the popular vote, because of the electoral college, trump won the election. Plus, the Dem’s ground game wasn’t so great if they couldn’t turn out AA and independent voters, IMO.
glenn

7 days ago
So here’s something to think about. Hillary jumped to a lead in the Dem primary because they front-loaded the Southern states, where Dems don’t win anyhow and the meme after her wins was that AAs were crazy about her. Now that we’ve seen that more voted for Trump than voted for Romney, doesn’t that vote in the primaries seem even more skewed now? The DNC manipulated the process to be a fait accompli. And it worked…for Trump, that is.
AdLib 7 days ago
Funk…that’s if the elections are honest and I fear that we may have seen the last one for a long time.
MurphTheSurf3

7 days ago
Welcome to America……The worlds newest Banana Republic!
Fuzzy Dunlop

7 days ago
Note that Obama has publicly said that he’ll be working on the National Redistricting Campaign with Eric Holder post-presidency. He understands the scale of the problem
funksands

7 days ago
I’ m sorry guys, but I’m getting pissed off all over again, so I’m going to call it a night. Plus I do have to get up early for a fitting for my dress tomorrow. So, take care, and hope to “see” you all next week.
glenn

7 days ago
Murph – Understand that but also, if Hillary had pulled whites comparable to Obama, she would have won as well. Bottom line, demographics of race aside, Hillary didn’t pull strong enough numbers of Dems to the polls.
AdLib 7 days ago
Un fucking believable.
Fuzzy Dunlop

7 days ago
Glenn, have a nice cup of tea and a good night’s sleep
funksands

7 days ago
Trump, per those who have known him for many years, is someone who listens best to that last person in the room with him….Bannon, Flynn…..frightening at the highest level.
MurphTheSurf3

7 days ago
glenn – Relax and have a good weekend, that’s the best revenge!
AdLib 7 days ago
Take care glenn. It’s still good to tune out for a while. Necessary, even
Fuzzy Dunlop

7 days ago
Ad, having Hillary in an uncrowded field with only Bernie as her opposition didn’t do her any favors either
funksands

7 days ago
Thanks, fun, that’s good advice! G’night all.
glenn

7 days ago
Ad….I the white vote is not comparable to the black vote here.
MurphTheSurf3

7 days ago
Murph, I agree. A disengaged President with those guys really running things is not optimal
funksands

7 days ago
Good night Glenn…..sorry to be so glum.
MurphTheSurf3

7 days ago
Murph, right now, we can’t talk politics without a little darkness.
Fuzzy Dunlop

7 days ago
Funk….disengaged, uninformed, but invincibly arrogant….all the opposite of Obama….the American system continues to fail us. Now it has given us a monster for president.
MurphTheSurf3

7 days ago
Funk – True but you saw how they used all of the pre-primary period to scare off any stronger competition for Hillary. They assembled all those Super Delegates, toons of money, the Black Congressioonal Caucus, Unions, it was all arranged before the primary even began. And remember all the propaganda they started running against Biden when he started considering getting in the race?
AdLib 7 days ago
FD….yes…..dark now, darker to come.
MurphTheSurf3

7 days ago
Ad, yes I do.
funksands

7 days ago
I have to say, I’m out too. I did want to check in with everybody though. As the Hitchhiker’s Guide strongly advises…DON’T PANIC! Night all.
Fuzzy Dunlop

7 days ago
Night Fuzzy….I am out soon as well. Today was god-awful.
MurphTheSurf3

7 days ago
Murph, I think the 3-4% that we’ll need is to overcome that voting process thumb on the scale. Demcrats nationally are already getting more votes, they simply need even more to overcome their redistricting, supression and Voting Rights states
funksands

7 days ago
Right behind you. Gotta clean my mess up in the kitchen. Have a good weekend and Thanksgiving everyone! Ad, you live the Friday after Thanksgiving?
funksands

7 days ago
Night Funk! Yes, Vox will be here with the leftovers!
AdLib 7 days ago
Cool, take care
funksands

7 days ago
Funk…we have failed the test across the board with the two Obama elections and the brief wave of 2008 the only exceptions. At the local and state levels year after year, in 2010 and 2014 in Congress, and now in the general in 2016….wipe out
MurphTheSurf3

7 days ago
Murph – What do you mean the black vote isn’t comparable to the white vote?
AdLib 7 days ago
Murph, yep you are right. My totally unscientific math thinks it will take 1.5 – 2 million more votes for Dems to stem the tide and start to turn it in 2020.
funksands

7 days ago
The black vote has overwhelming been “cached” by the Dems…it is a foundation block….the Dems have been losing the white vote for 30 years….
MurphTheSurf3

7 days ago
Murph – I think Obama won because he was a strong candidate and campaigner, lifting the Dem vote high enough to overcome the unfair disadvantage against them. Hillary couldn’t do it.
AdLib 7 days ago
Funk….I hope this can be done.
MurphTheSurf3

7 days ago
Murph – But the white votes that Hillary needed to win those 3 states were won by Obama. She couldn’t retain them.
AdLib 7 days ago
Ad….Obama did that, yes. But, you know what, as my friends said today, the black vote HAD to vote with Hillary and it did not. As one of the attendants said…..why would anyone listen to us now….
MurphTheSurf3

7 days ago
Murph – It can be done and especially with Dems coompletely out of power, it’s inevitable. Can’t guarantee 2020, if the DNC runs another Dem Elite candidate but it will happen.
AdLib 7 days ago
Murph – I really think that there are far too many absollutes flying around now that won’t prove to be the case down the line. The black vote is still respected by the Dems. This year should serve to light a fire under the bottome of all voters who sat out the election.
AdLib 7 days ago
Ad…I believe or constitution is a ready instrument for this kind of takeover and I do not believe that electoral politics are going to right the ship of state. We are floundering because of structural issues so profound I do not see how they can be fixed. Only a militant, zealous, anti Trump anti GOP movement as strong as Trump’s was this time around that follows the leader of their cause, whoever that else and however mediocre they are, has a chance of winning.
MurphTheSurf3

7 days ago
Ad…..you often try to tamp down my pessimism but our electoral history has favored my view more and more.
MurphTheSurf3

7 days ago
I know I keep saying this but there were so many factors that caused Hillary to lose. Take away a few of them and she wins. Black vote, white conservative Dems, Comey & FBI, Russia, Wikileaks, email server, etc.
AdLib 7 days ago
All that can be done against such an array is create a zealous front….
MurphTheSurf3

7 days ago
Murph – The energy behind Trump will wane as things get bad and society becomes darker and more unpleasant. Without the folks who voted for Trump who disliked Hillary more, Trump can’t win. The core supporters of his are not a majority.
AdLib 7 days ago
Once the non-lemmings who voted for Trump see that he lied to them, their support will dissolve away.
AdLib 7 days ago
The darkness is growing, Ad. I can feel its power. Perhaps you are right but I am not at all hopeful. The coalition that put Obama into office in 2008 has failed him ever since, even in 2012.
MurphTheSurf3

7 days ago
This was a wishful thinking election for so many Trump voters. When they realize that it was all a con, they will be mad.
AdLib 7 days ago
Ad..they will not realize it…did you see the story today about Trump claiming he stopped Ford from moving a plant from Ky to Mx. It was never on the books but he tweeted it and the adulation followed. Control of media, control of the truth….dictators rewrite the rules.
MurphTheSurf3

7 days ago
They failed him in 2010 too. Too many of these swing voters only vote on what they feel on Election Day. Idiots who don’t think about the future.
AdLib 7 days ago
I include 2010 in my list.
MurphTheSurf3

7 days ago
And when only Repubs can be blamed for the inevitable bad things that happen because they hold all the power, the pendulum swings as it did when Bush and the Repubs were in the same situation.
AdLib 7 days ago
We are in for terrible times but now, it has to happen so that a landslide vote can be built against Trump in 2020.
AdLib 7 days ago
But the days of Bush and the Repubs were different….the wars did that…..if Trump gets us into a war…but then it could be the last one.
MurphTheSurf3

7 days ago
Well I am exhausted. I bid you good night.
MurphTheSurf3

7 days ago
Murph – He can and will get away with all kinds of propaganda and lies but he can’t use lies to replace health care that is taken away, jobs that people don’t get and money they don’t have to pay their bills.
AdLib 7 days ago
Ad….we will see……we will see…
MurphTheSurf3

7 days ago
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