Displaying 241 To 270 Of 429 Comments OK, folks. Try this: http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/F?c111:1:./temp/~c111PmfEdu:e1394243: should take you right to the Public Health Insurance Option text. Apologies for the squirrely nature of these links. High traffic means squirrely performance. » Posted By SanityNow On March 18, 2010 @ 5:24 pm I’ll keep looking for a way to show you what I have right in front of me. I’ll ask AdLib for some tech help. » Posted By SanityNow On March 18, 2010 @ 5:19 pm it is through the CBO, but when you ask for the pdf version, it transports you to frwebgate.access.gpo.gov still a non-partisan government source » Posted By SanityNow On March 18, 2010 @ 5:16 pm just scoot to page 116. big title “Public Health Insurance Option” or Public Option for short » Posted By SanityNow On March 18, 2010 @ 5:06 pm the simple answer is yes but the Senate will then have to go about the tedious business of formally voting on each reconciliation item. fun. » Posted By SanityNow On March 18, 2010 @ 5:05 pm HR 4872, Reconciliation Act of 2010, Title II, Subtitle B, Public Health Insurance Option, Page 116-128 http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi?dbname=111_cong_bills&docid=f:h4872rh.txt.pdf » Posted By SanityNow On March 18, 2010 @ 5:04 pm nellie, try this link http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi?dbname=111_cong_bills&docid=f:h4872rh.txt.pdf (it might take a few moments to load as there are probably about 25 million people trying to access it) I have downloaded the entire pdf bill. will see if I can upload it somehow here. » Posted By SanityNow On March 18, 2010 @ 4:57 pm one major reason why the Dems are so elated right now is that the CBO score vindicates that the reconciliation act and its components will stand a much higher likelihood that they will pass the Byrd Rule requirement that any amendment not cost more than the law being amended. let’s also remember that the Senate Parliamentarian can be over ruled by the President of the Senate (VP Biden) or the Senate president Pro Tempore (ironically, Senator Byrd, author if the Byrd Rule) Lawrence, gawd love him, has been wrong before and will be wrong again. » Posted By SanityNow On March 18, 2010 @ 2:36 pm Republicans “Deem and Pass” the Hypocrisy on Healthcare Reform Bill …or something that the GOP makes pretensions of wanting to do but only “better” while in reality has no intention whatever of doing. Ever. Like HCR. » Posted By SanityNow On March 18, 2010 @ 10:54 am I really think that words like “union” and “indivisible” still confusticate conservatives. I am surprised they haven’t made noises about redacting both of them out of the Pledge. » Posted By SanityNow On March 18, 2010 @ 8:29 am 1. CUTS THE DEFICIT Cuts the deficit by $130 billion in the first ten years (2010 » Posted By SanityNow On March 18, 2010 @ 8:16 am conservative grandstanding, quasi-pure and ultra-simple, not to mention a huge waste of VA taxpayer time and money. » Posted By SanityNow On March 18, 2010 @ 8:14 am at this point, he should forget about the trip. » Posted By SanityNow On March 17, 2010 @ 2:25 pm here is an interesting wrinkle I just saw in DailyKos http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2010/3/17/847214/-Wheres-the-CBO-Report “In order to pass the bill by the Easter recess, and avoid any further delays that could sink the bill, the Senate needs to take up the bill next week. In order for the Senate to take up the reconciliation bill next week, President Obama has to sign the Senate bill into law before he leaves the country for a five day trip on Sunday. In order for President Obama to sign the bill into law before he leaves the country, the House needs to pass the bill by Saturday night. And, in order for the House to pass the bill by Saturday night, the CBO needs to release its score of the bill tonight, 72 hours before the House votes.” » Posted By SanityNow On March 17, 2010 @ 2:20 pm nasty people » Posted By SanityNow On March 17, 2010 @ 2:14 pm everyone has their weaknesses. Gawd knows I have mine. » Posted By SanityNow On March 17, 2010 @ 2:01 pm conservatives, while ostensibly well intentioned, are always on the wrong side of history and social progress » Posted By SanityNow On March 17, 2010 @ 1:47 pm exactly. the obstructionist argument is predicated on an erroneous assumption that deem & pass is novel. nearly all the arguments being made only hold water if the listener does not question or research the issues. » Posted By SanityNow On March 17, 2010 @ 1:44 pm that analogy appears 100% legitimate. The status quo HC system is indeed dying and taking us with it. » Posted By SanityNow On March 17, 2010 @ 1:30 pm I find it very telling that the argument from the Right is now solely based on procedures to pass the bills and not the substance of the bills, beyond the tired “gummint takeover” meme. » Posted By SanityNow On March 17, 2010 @ 1:14 pm those words belong to the English language. Feel free… 😉 and, for the record, I concur with your analysis/rebuttal of BT’s assertions. » Posted By SanityNow On March 17, 2010 @ 1:12 pm love the Monkey Cage blog. excellent legal analysis. » Posted By SanityNow On March 17, 2010 @ 12:07 pm and for exactly that reason, the SCOTUS won’t open that Pandora’s Box (imho) » Posted By SanityNow On March 17, 2010 @ 12:02 pm it is a sound, logical process that has been used literally hundreds of times. Nothing new or strange here. » Posted By SanityNow On March 17, 2010 @ 11:45 am I don’t think it matters what President Obama wants as far as procedure, what matters is that the House and Senate follow its own rules to legally pass any legislation. Reconciliation and Deem & Pass are tried and true methods for passing legislation. I am positive that President Obama would not care how it was passed as long as it was passed legally. » Posted By SanityNow On March 17, 2010 @ 11:44 am Hypocrisy, thy name is Republican…they are without shame. » Posted By SanityNow On March 16, 2010 @ 1:24 pm I think he is an “entertainer” sometimes he is watchable, mostly he is not (imho) » Posted By SanityNow On March 18, 2010 @ 12:00 pm apologies. I am confusticated. of course I saw your comments on Iran here and the other site. I think I need a vacation once I start my new position. » Posted By SanityNow On March 16, 2010 @ 10:42 am Hi Khirad, I really like Lawrence. Really. He is definitely one of my favorite political analysts around. He is very passionate but sometimes his passion can sort of run himself over. I can’t blame him though. I do that from time to time my own self. My saving grace is that I am not on teevee. and whenever Morning Joe can be made speechless is a moment worth savoring. Lawrence is a great attack dog and more than willing to go toe to toe. Love that. I should also add that no matter how carefully the bills are crafted, conservative opposition will continue the consistent obstruction and take to the courts to bog down the implementation. The SCOTUS will prove to be, as it has shown itself to be, a great ally against the people. (btw, I was over at the other site and really like your comments about Iran.) » Posted By SanityNow On March 16, 2010 @ 9:50 am Hi choicelady, » Posted By SanityNow On March 15, 2010 @ 12:11 pmComments Posted By SanityNow
BT explained D&P well. I would only add that it could also be called the Ipso Facto strategy, meaning that the passing of the reconciliation bill obviously implies that the bill to be fixed has at least the same support that the fix bill has just received. It does follow a pretty simple logic.
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done, done and done. I emailed,phoned and wrote an actual letter sent by analogue mail to my senators and congressional reps. ALL have replied in the positive and are on the record as being so.
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