Vox Populi, our weekly live chat about the week’s events begins tonight at 7:00pm PDT. Hope to see you then! AdLib 5 hours ago
Don’t forget to say “Hi!” or “Sharpiegate!” when you arrive! AdLib 4 hours ago
Hey Harleigh! AdLib 3 hours ago
hey ad. well dorian missed me…. good. Harleigh 3 hours ago
I was thinking about you while it was coming and scooting up the coast. Glad it missed you! AdLib 3 hours ago
I had no idear bama was on the east coast Harleigh 3 hours ago
I have a friend who lives near Wilmington, NC and was concerned he would get badly hit but his house was fine (he stayed with friends, away from the coast). AdLib 3 hours ago
Hey all! Forget Sharpiegate! How about 25th amendment? Harleigh, so glad Dorian missed you. glenn 3 hours ago
Ad–Is this the same friend we talked about last year? Has he gotten his hurricane kit together for this year? glenn 3 hours ago
It’s a quick drive from Miami to Mobile, I always get them confused, they’re so close together! AdLib 3 hours ago
morning all. I’m a bit weird today – am in disbelief. Fergie’s best friend from school in England was living in France with her Sicilian husband. Long story short, she separated from him and 3 days before she returned to England, He stabbed her to death in a friends flat. Fergie had been in touch over the separation, b ut we had heard nothing for 3 weeks till we got this news. So I ‘m a bit in disbelief. Sorry. pinkpantheroz 3 hours ago
Ad–Miami and Mobile ARE close together…they both start with “M”, don’t they? glenn 3 hours ago
cat1-2 are tolerable except for flood areas. cat 5 sustained 200mph and gust to 220….holy shit. and then sat for 3 days… that area is destroyed. Harleigh 3 hours ago
Hey glenn! Yes, same friend who got hammered by that last Cat 5. I think he’s re-thinking the wisdom of moving from LA to NC. AdLib 3 hours ago
Hey PPO! AdLib 3 hours ago
hi ad pinkpantheroz 3 hours ago
hey ppo and glenn Harleigh 3 hours ago
hi harleigh pinkpantheroz 3 hours ago
glenn pinkpantheroz 3 hours ago
PPO – Horrible. So sorry. AdLib 3 hours ago
Well, never had someone I knew murdered. Wierd and slow to absorb pinkpantheroz 3 hours ago
PPO–That is so sad! I can only imagine how you and Fergie must be feeling. No need to apologize; anyone would be in disbelief. glenn 3 hours ago
there will bee a toll of several thousand I’m sure. Harleigh 3 hours ago
I didn’t say “hi” properly before. Hi Ad, Harleigh, PPO. glenn 3 hours ago
Sorry! Won’t be a downer! Did everyone see the yuuuuge crowds in Ireland for Tuppence? Many had to be Sharpie’d in! pinkpantheroz 3 hours ago
Fergie must be in shock. How do you process that? I’ve never known anyone who was murdered either. It’s an overwhelming thing to even iimagine. AdLib 3 hours ago
We;;, ad, she isn’t. We keep saying to each other, I can’t believe it! pinkpantheroz 3 hours ago
Ad–Yeah, NC seems to be getting its share of storms lately. glenn 3 hours ago
oh geez ppo… holy shit Harleigh 3 hours ago
*processing it* pinkpantheroz 3 hours ago
glenn – The one thing you would think no one would be stupid enough to lie about is the weather. His cult followers might believe him when he says it’s sunny when it’s raining but he’s only destroyed himself more by fighting reality for nearly a week. AdLib 3 hours ago
PPO–Those crowds in Ireland were yuuuge, for sure! glenn 3 hours ago
One thing Brokeahontas knows about is drawing bigger boobs – er kidneys pinkpantheroz 3 hours ago
Harleigh – I’ve seen a bunch of footage of the Bahamas, so much of it is just leveled. And I think we’ll find so many more deaths than they’re confirming now. AdLib 3 hours ago
Spanky jr had a yuge kentucky rally….. LOLOLOLOL Harleigh 3 hours ago
Sharpies-For Hire, H! pinkpantheroz 3 hours ago
Ad–except now, because of his screaming, ranting, and insanity,NOAA has now disavowed the NWS’ tweet saying that Alabama was not in danger. WTH does the TLB have on all these people that they will lie for him? glenn 3 hours ago
Have we all seen where Air Force crews are staying in Trump’s Hotel in Scotland when they fly in! pinkpantheroz 3 hours ago
PPO – Usually, with such a surreal and horrible incident like this, the first response is having trouble wrapping your head around it. Then it can get a bit hard so give Fergie hugs for all of us. AdLib 3 hours ago
Ad, hugs will be dispensed for you all. Thanks pinkpantheroz 3 hours ago
ad when Andrew hit it literall mowed down everything like a 20 mile wide lawnmower set at 2 feet. Harleigh 3 hours ago
Ad–the pictures coming out of the Bahamas show so much devastation. It’s heartbreaking. glenn 3 hours ago
glenn, has it done much damage to the mainland yet?? pinkpantheroz 3 hours ago
PPO–Seconds on the hugs! glenn 3 hours ago
g, consider yourself engulfed by a big Teddy Bear! pinkpantheroz 3 hours ago
Murph! pinkpantheroz 3 hours ago
andrew was 180 mph moving 26mph. dorian was over 200 mph movi under 5 mph…. and 4 feet or more rain….. whoa…. Harleigh 3 hours ago
PPO–There are some pictures coming out of SC that show some devastation. And, as it was last year, there are those hog pens that may be in danger of releasing manure into the streams, etc. glenn 3 hours ago
PPO….how horrifying for Fergie and by extension, for you. MurphTheSurf3 3 hours ago
From Dan Sobien,
President of the National Weather Service Employees Organization: “Let
me assure you the hard working employees of the NWS had nothing to do
with the utterly disgusting and disingenuous tweet sent out by NOAA
management tonight.” https://twitter.com/pres_nwseo/status/1170115531388719105
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it hit SC as a cat 2 , 100mph Harleigh 3 hours ago
Harleigh glad you did not blow away or have to swim forit. MurphTheSurf3 3 hours ago
Hey Murph! AdLib 3 hours ago
Ad…what statement did NOAA management send out. MurphTheSurf3 3 hours ago
Harleigh–We lived in the Keys when Andrew came through. There wasn’t as much damage to the Keys as there was in Homestead, but it was bad for a while. The worst was actually the aftermath–couldn’t get anything from the mainland because Homestead was devastated. glenn 3 hours ago
Thanks, Murph. Slow to digest. She was a lovely lady who didn’t deserve that pinkpantheroz 3 hours ago
PPO….senseless violence in response to emotional distress never makes any sense in my experience. MurphTheSurf3 3 hours ago
Ad–ohhh snap! Good for Sobien! glenn 3 hours ago
murph if you’re not in shelter in those conditions you die. they are just starting recovery of bodies… Harleigh 3 hours ago
Hey Murph! glenn 3 hours ago
PPO – Yes, saw that story about the AF crews staying at Trump’s Craphotel. Congress is investigating. I expect Pelosi to take action with a firmly wagging finger. AdLib 3 hours ago
with fresh nails too! Harleigh 3 hours ago
Have you been watching the reporting on why Trump may be withholding military, intelligence and infrastructure support voted in a bipartisan fashion for Ukraine? a) To help Putin….obviously, b) To raid funds for THE WALL, c) but the third one is that he is pushing the government of Ukraine to launch an investigation of Biden! All on Maddow tonight. MurphTheSurf3 3 hours ago
Harleigh – Exactly, it looked like a giant lawnmower cut down the Bahamas! AdLib 3 hours ago
Murph–“From Wednesday, August 28, through Monday, September 2, the information provided by NOAA and the National Hurricane Center to President Trump and the wider public demonstrated that tropical-storm-force winds from Hurricane Dorian could impact Alabama,” the statement read. “This is clearly demonstrated in Hurricane Advisories #15 through #41, which can be viewed on the center’s website. “The Birmingham National Weather Service’s Sunday morning tweet spoke in absolute terms that were inconsistent with probabilities from the best forecast products available at the time.” glenn 3 hours ago
https://www.cnn.com/2019/09/06/politics/noaa-tweet-nws-trump-alabama/index.html glenn 3 hours ago
Murph – The BS NOAA statement: https://twitter.com/girlsreallyrule/status/1170129623033794567/photo/1 AdLib 3 hours ago
https://twitter.com/girlsreallyrule/status/1170129623033794567
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Murph, so we can add blackmail and Extortion to his list of crimes. Sharpie me not surprised. pinkpantheroz 3 hours ago
Harleigh–hope the nails are red! glenn 3 hours ago
AND….Maddow also reported on Air Force flights from the Middle East have been refueling at a very high cost at a civilian airport near his Scottish Resort and required to stay at the resort as well (despite their not having the money to feed themselves) …. that is the same resort that asked the Scottish government for a grant to build a seawall citing Global Climate Change as the reason for rising tides….Trump’s place, Mr. Fake Climate Change News Guy. MurphTheSurf3 3 hours ago
Murph – Yes, have been following Trump’s extortion of Ukraine. This is now insane, I am really getting upset at Pelosi and her allies for letting Trump get away with sabotaging our democracy and the world. AdLib 3 hours ago
folks across northern FL and south GA got a shock when Spanky said they were getting a hurricane. LMAO Harleigh 3 hours ago
The stuff from the NWS and NOAA is disgusting…political flunkies willing to sell their own people and their work for a bit of luvin from Tramp…uh, I mean Trump. MurphTheSurf3 3 hours ago
scary shit! Harleigh 3 hours ago
trump appointees. Harleigh 3 hours ago
PPO–For the life of me, I cannot understand why the TLB gets “protected” when he lies. And those cowards who anonymously tell reporters about the chaos in the WH and aren’t doing everything they can to get cabinet members to invoke the 25th should NEVER have another job in government, IMO glenn 3 hours ago
See how the RNC is eliminating the venues where Republican opposition to Trump might arise in prep for 2020…..caucuses and primaries where challenges may arise. MurphTheSurf3 3 hours ago
Someone on MSNBC made a good point about Sharpiegate. If Trump is willing to create false maps and pressure government officials to lie about the facts…what will he do when he loses an election? I was always a bit dismissive of the warnings about Trump refusing to go when he loses in 2020. Maybe that’s more worrisome that it may have seemed. AdLib 3 hours ago
‘Civil’ Servants don’t want to be arbitrarily fired and have their rice bowl broken, so they’ll crawl up Brokeahontas’ backside to keep them pinkpantheroz 3 hours ago
trumps cabinet would never 25 his ass…. never ever. same as raygun his last term Harleigh 3 hours ago
Ad–and yes, Pelosi needs to wake up! We have moved from the bizarre to the criminally insane! She needs to step up. glenn 3 hours ago
glenn – That’s how snowballing fear works. As management at NOAA sees how everyone else in government, including the whole Repub Congress, give into Trump’s demands out of fear, more people give in. Fear can be contagious. Or in the case of many Dems, inspires defiance and a fighting spirit. AdLib 3 hours ago
What most worries me is that someone as incompetent, as heavy handed, as transparent, as obviously corrupt as Trump has managed to stay in office for three years while in the UK Johnson is in office a month and is on pins and needles….the U.S. constitution is badly constructed to deal with this level incompetence, corruption and pure evil….we have had similar cases in the past in the Executive….it was and is overly mighty. MurphTheSurf3 3 hours ago
Murph–yeah, I saw that about the primaries. The TLB is so weak that he can’t stand opposition. When I read that, I did want to ask you, though. Do states hold primaries when an incumbent president is running again? Or only when they have someone else from the same party running? glenn 3 hours ago
Murph – They say it is not unusual for primaries to be called off in re-elections but I don’t know if that’s true when there has been opposition. Of course Trump is ordering the RNC to shut down a primary but from what I heard, IA and NH will go ahead anyway, they don’t want to lose their (unfair) influence as the first caucuses/primaries. AdLib 3 hours ago
Ad–Well, I wish Pelosi would get some of that defiance and fighting spirit. I can’t tell you how disappointed I am in her. glenn 3 hours ago
disagree glenn… senate won’t ever act as they are now…. energy in exposing trump much better spent as he amplifys it and threatens to sue..lololol Harleigh 3 hours ago
Glenn…if there are no opponents……primaries and caucuses are precluded such that all action is taken in state nominating conventions. MurphTheSurf3 3 hours ago
glenn, as normal convention seems to have been buried under a tsunami of BS, there should be no real reason why he can;’t be Primaried, pinkpantheroz 3 hours ago
Harleigh, agreed. Trump’s cabinet would sit back and watch America torched to the ground instead of standing up to Trump. Unprincipled cowards, all of them/ AdLib 3 hours ago
Ad….your observations are on the mark…….When Obama ran for reelection a number of states drop caucuses and primaries and moved straight to their state conventions….no opposition. MurphTheSurf3 3 hours ago
no primary for 2nd term on several presidents with no opposition. obama 2012 Harleigh 3 hours ago
Why would his cabinet act….they are feeding at the trough….and such action puts them in a spotlight most cannot stand. MurphTheSurf3 3 hours ago
Murph–That is what I just cannot understand about this whole mess. How has the TLB managed to stay in office? I know you and I disagree on this, but Pelosi should have been fighting this every day and every way since she took over the House. I know the TLB has been fighting her every step of the way, but she needs to step up her news conferences. Forget once a week! There should be one every day! I’m just so angry that the TLB is still in office! glenn 3 hours ago
Harleigh….when there is no credible opposition….most states move right to their state opposition. MurphTheSurf3 3 hours ago
Harleigh….not opposition, NOMINATING CONVENTION! DUH! MurphTheSurf3 3 hours ago
yep… thats it Harleigh 3 hours ago
glenn – Pelosi is now looking like she is living in a state of denial. We are watching Trump commit crimes right in front of us and she tries to slide by with “The public isn’t behind us” and “We need to have the best case.” They are the only “cops” on the beat, the only ones who could arrest Trump and she is refusing. I see her game, she is stalling as the short session before the end of the year is over then guess what? It will be 2020 and Pelosi will say, “It’s 2020, we’ll remove him at the ballot box!” But she will have set a precedent that Presidents can be criminals and not be impeached. Her reputation is muddied as each day goes by without impeachment. AdLib 3 hours ago
Glenn…I still say that Pelosi is playing a precise game here…..let more and more charges arise such that an outcry so loud is made that No One can claim that this is a Pelosi vendetta. MurphTheSurf3 3 hours ago
well documented charges and crimes…. Harleigh 3 hours ago
Again……the harder the case against Trump…the more popular the Impeachment Process will be and when the Senate finds him Not Guilty of All Charges they will do so in the face of a public that mandated the Articles. MurphTheSurf3 3 hours ago
the election after tha sb repube bloodbaths. Harleigh 3 hours ago
Murph – Ironically, Chris Hayes made the point tonight that the Brits are in the midst of seeing their system disintegrate whiile the US has two safeguards to stop a rogue president and keep government together. Unfortunately, it’s no good if The Speaker of the House ignores that duty for political advantage. AdLib 3 hours ago
Ad, I feel that Pelosi should adopt the ‘Near Enough Is Good enough’ stance instead of having all the ducks lined up. Get it going, at least pinkpantheroz 3 hours ago
Ad…..the U.S. two safeguards have been completely powerless across our history……. MurphTheSurf3 3 hours ago
P.S. I saw Hayes’ presentation. Smart fellow but he does not understand how the Parliamentary System works. MurphTheSurf3 3 hours ago
Ad–I agree heartily! If a Dem president did a tenth of what the TLB does and says, repubs’ heads would be exploding, and there would be 2,000 investigations daily! It’s time to stop the madness! glenn 3 hours ago
ag barr won’t allow them Harleigh 3 hours ago
Harleigh – The House doesn’t even have to send impeachment to The Senate. They can go through the hearings without letting Trump off the hook in The Senate. And as someone smartly put it, people will see the Repubs in The Senate letting Trump get away with his crimes no differently than seeing a racist jury in the South let another racist get away with a lynching. People aren’t blind, no one but Trump cultists would see the Repubs covering up his crimes as vindication. They would instead look like criminal collaborators to most Americans. AdLib 3 hours ago
glenn, at least when Dems have both houses, the Presidency and new extra SCOTUS places, we can then tell the GOP where to put their faux outrage pinkpantheroz 3 hours ago
good point ad…. the accusations are fact based and tons of them…. thousands of counts… it would be fun. Harleigh 3 hours ago
Sorry, folks, that’s all I can manage. Fergie says a huge thanks for the hugs. See you next week pinkpantheroz 3 hours ago
Ad…your comment to Harleigh….that is first class thinking. MurphTheSurf3 3 hours ago
Murph–you have much more patience than I. We are really past the point of letting more charges pile up. How many more is she going to let pile up? How much more damage is she going to allow the TLB to do to our courts, our government offices, our political norms? When is enough, enough? Instead of sitting by passively with one news conference a week; she should be out in front of the cameras daily (like the TLB is), repeating his malfeasance, high crimes, and misdemeanors every day! Press releases, tweets, camera time. C’mon, she needs to be out there! glenn 3 hours ago
nite ppo, hugs for fergie Harleigh 3 hours ago
Glenn….not Ad’s comment to Harleigh re. another route the House can take. I find it quite compelling. MurphTheSurf3 3 hours ago
Murph – The house is on fire right now. I don’t understand the POV that the fire has to be bigger before we call the fire department. Plenty of crimes have been proven and are being committed in broad daylight by Trump each day. Falsifying the NOAA forecast is a crime all by itself. There are over two dozen proven crimes against Trump. Do we need 100 before Pelosi acts? AdLib 3 hours ago
Ad….it is the public….the largely inattentive public….that needs to be drawn by an Inferno So Large that it cannot be ignored. MurphTheSurf3 2 hours ago
And Murph, that’s just not correct. After you expressed that idea about Pelosi preparing an impeachment, she came out last week to say she does not support impeachment. Not going to happen. As soon as 2020 is here, I will bet you a penny, she will declare it’s too late and Dems just need to win in Nov. Guaranteed. AdLib 2 hours ago
So many of us float in circles with others like us who are politically, economically, and socially aware. We are in the minority….a very tiny minority. MurphTheSurf3 2 hours ago
well i’m out folks…. see you next week! Harleigh 2 hours ago
Ad–That’s what I keep saying. Forget the Senate. Show the American people that they weren’t wrong in giving the House to the Dems. That was the reason most people wanted Dems to take over the House; to put a stop to the TLB. So far, Dems look weak, weak, weak. As I have said before, Dems need to bring precise charges, of which they have plenty, to the House for impeachment. Whittle them down to the most important ones, and start the hearings now! As I’ve said before, and as Ad just said, make the Senate “own” their obstruction. glenn 2 hours ago
ad….I see Pelosi as the person saying No on one hand, while empowering every pertinent committee in the House to go after every lead. MurphTheSurf3 2 hours ago
The closer the slam dunk in the House is to the election the better. The public is by and large blissfully, or sadly unaware…. MurphTheSurf3 2 hours ago
Murph – Why do you keep saying the case against impeaching Trump is harder? At least 12 proven crimes, 10 in the Mueller Report. All you need is one to impeach. I don’t understand the rationalizing of Pelosi’s cynical, political strategy over duty to country. AdLib 2 hours ago
‘NIte, Harleigh. glenn 2 hours ago
Ad….the harder it is, the hotter it is, the sharper it is….at every step the chances of getting the public behind it grows. MurphTheSurf3 2 hours ago
glenn – Repubs promised to impeach Hillary if she won, over her email server, on day one. Instead, Pelosi has mountains of proven crimes and claims, “Eh, not enough to impeach.” AdLib 2 hours ago
The term “Impeachment Inquiry” is now common parlance in the House……Pelosi will bow to the will of an enraged caucus back by an infuriated public…..as I suspect was her plan all along. MurphTheSurf3 2 hours ago
Thanks Murph! AdLib 2 hours ago
Welcome….deserved….I like that scenario……like a massive homecoming fire only this one is a funeral pyre. MurphTheSurf3 2 hours ago
Murph – There is nothing in the Constitution that requires public opinion to be supporting an impeachment first or any constitutional duty. It is an excuse that Pelosi hides behind to do nothing because she sees it as an advantage to Dems chances in 2020, the more horrible things Trump does and not having to put Dems in red districts on the record voting for impeachment against him. Wouldn’t you agree with that reasoning? AdLib 2 hours ago
Murph–As I’ve said before, then it’s Pelosi’s and every other Dem’s job to get those charges out before the public. Keep holding the hearings in the House, but appoint one Dem to go on at least one news show a day and repeat one charge each from the Mueller report. Then other Dems take the other charges separately, and each one repeat their charge ad nauseam, every day, just like the TLB does. We need to start beating the TLB at his own game. glenn 2 hours ago
Well…..farmer’s rise early, and at least for now, this one still has people who want what he produces. MurphTheSurf3 2 hours ago
Sorry, it should say 10 Dems to repeat one charge each from the Mueller report…. glenn 2 hours ago
Ad..I know that. But, history tells the tale……what has been the history of impeachment…..it is a poor cudgel. MurphTheSurf3 2 hours ago
Murph–G’night. Have a good weekend. Hope to chat with you next week! glenn 2 hours ago
Murph – That’s because all Pelosi wants are reguar hearings and no impeachment vote. She doesn’t care if there are 1,000 hearings by committees, as long as moderate and conservative Dems never have to vote on impeachment. AdLib 2 hours ago
The GOP paid dearly for its effort to toss clinton out the door….Pelosi was there for it. MurphTheSurf3 2 hours ago
Ad….an impeachment resolution is priveleged. Her permission is not required. Six have been put on the floor already, seconded and moved to action but did not garner the necessary support on the floor. There will come a time when that is not the case. MurphTheSurf3 2 hours ago
So long Glenn MurphTheSurf3 2 hours ago
Murph – So when is enough? How high does the mountain of crimes have to be to impeach a president? Or shothe precedent be set that impeachment should never take place if it’s not clear if it’s politically advantageous? AdLib 2 hours ago
When is it enough…..when the public joins you in demanding the action you want. MurphTheSurf3 2 hours ago
Murph–true. The GOP paid for its efforts to get rid of Clinton. However, a blow job in the oval office in no way is equal to the crimes the TLB has committed in office. There is no comparison between the two. glenn 2 hours ago
Murph–I’m not leaving yet. I thought you were leaving. LOL! glenn 2 hours ago
Murph – Actually, Repubs took over government and the WH in the next GE after Clinton’s impeachment. AdLib 2 hours ago
Glenn…the nature of the Clinton articles is not all that germane to my point….my point is that the GOP proceeded when polling made it clear that there was no line of support behind them from the public. MurphTheSurf3 2 hours ago
Murph – If government and law enforcement wirked the way you described, we’d be living in sheer anarchy. AdLib 2 hours ago
worked AdLib 2 hours ago
Actually, I changed my mind. I think I will quit for the night. G’night, gents. glenn 2 hours ago
Bye glenn! AdLib 2 hours ago
Mueph – Do you think impeachment would be bad politically for Dems? AdLib 2 hours ago
House Republicans paid a severe electoral price for moving against Bill Clinton in 1998. Remember Gingrich….in 2000 the landscape had changed moving from Clinton to Gore. MurphTheSurf3 2 hours ago
In 2000, Repubs took over government. They won the next presidential election after impeachment. How did that really end up hurting them? AdLib 2 hours ago
Ad…an impeachment that could be made to look “political”, “vindictive”, “weak” would hurt the Dems….the sign is clear….where does the public stand on this…… MurphTheSurf3 2 hours ago
2000 is 2000….1998 is 1998… MurphTheSurf3 2 hours ago
What impeachment in American history ever looned non-political? AdLib 2 hours ago
looked AdLib 2 hours ago
What does that mean? Long term, impeachment didn’t hurt Repubs. AdLib 2 hours ago
None……and to date none has been successful….a blunt, clumsy instrument resulting from a constitutional structure that creates fortresses of the three branches that are nearly impervious to assault. MurphTheSurf3 2 hours ago
Impeachment forced Nixon to resign. AdLib 2 hours ago
ad….come on…..really…..long term…..the entire contract with America fell apart…..the GOP recovered and the Dems failed to take advantage in 2000. MurphTheSurf3 2 hours ago
From the NY Times in 1998: “A solid majority of Americans want the Senate to resolve President Clinton’s impeachment case without a trial and without removing him from office, according to the latest New York Times/CBS News Poll. ” AdLib 2 hours ago
What forced Nixon to resign was that articles of impeachment would likely get the kind of hearing in the senate that would further expose him AND that popular wave behind the impeachment was there. MurphTheSurf3 2 hours ago
https://www.nytimes.com/1998/12/21/us/impeachment-polls-public-support-for-president-for-closure-emerges-unshaken.html AdLib 2 hours ago
Ad…yep…..solid majority…… MurphTheSurf3 2 hours ago
This doesn’t support your “popular support for impeachment” in Clinton’s case. AdLib 2 hours ago
There wasn’t popular support for Clinton impeachment but the GOP moved on it anyway…that is what I intended to convey MurphTheSurf3 2 hours ago
The majority of the public did not support impeachment for Clinton. So that was not the case. AdLib 2 hours ago
So the next election after Clinton’s impeachment was completed was in 2000. And Repubs won. AdLib 2 hours ago
House Republicans paid a severe electoral price for moving against Bill Clinton in 1998, at a time when polls showed most of the public opposed that action. MurphTheSurf3 2 hours ago
Republicans lost House seats in both 1998 and 2000. MurphTheSurf3 2 hours ago
Yes but they maintained control of the House in 1998. They didn’t lose power. AdLib 2 hours ago
And they retained The House in 2000. AdLib 2 hours ago
If the worst thing for Dems impeaching Trump is losing some seats but keeping control of The House, how is that a bad thing with a criminal in the WH? AdLib 2 hours ago
A very different situation than Clinton’s lying about an affair. AdLib 2 hours ago
True…..but Gingrich expected to pick up 30 plus seats at the midterm……it forced him out as speaker, killed the contract….and if Gore had been better, a lot better, and there was not a 3rd party spoiler, 2000 wouldhave been far different. MurphTheSurf3 2 hours ago
Ok…we disagree….an impasse….time will tell….I am toddlng off to bed. As always, a good discussion. MurphTheSurf3 2 hours ago
But we agree, Repubs didn’t lose power after impeaching Clinton. AdLib 2 hours ago
Sleep well! AdLib 2 hours ago
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