Vox Populi – 9-25-2015

Bu bye Bonher ya asshole.

Harleigh

hi harleigh

sillylittleme

hey slm.. looks like we are fashionably first.

Harleigh

yup and they let us in with no supervision

sillylittleme

well they left the vox bong loaded on the table. shall we?

Harleigh

spark it up

sillylittleme

aaahhhh not bad for cali local weed. here ya go….

Harleigh

hey murph

sillylittleme

cali – is got some fine medical

sillylittleme

The Pope is Here and Boehner is gone….all in all, a great week.

MurphTheSurf3

stoned already…

sillylittleme

Murph – woo hoo

sillylittleme

Hi to KT, SLM and Harleigh…..Where is the Ad Man?

MurphTheSurf3

yep…. now we get to see the baggers in full action in the house. lol

Harleigh

who knows I came here at ten of and it was eerily empty…

sillylittleme

me too…. aliens?

Harleigh

Harleigh…..the TP crowd will push for Price, I think but the establishment crowd wants McCarthy….but the wrinkle is that without the TP folks, 40 plus, the GOP cannot elect a Speaker without Dem. support…..hooooo boy!

MurphTheSurf3

no problem… nice weed man

Harleigh

Ad…we were about to hold a papal conclave to elect your successor!

MurphTheSurf3

Hey Ad

sillylittleme

it will be a hoot…. hey lets ask Debbie for some votes!!! ROTF

Harleigh

well the smoke was white murph

Harleigh

Harleigh – what ya mean

sillylittleme

Ya Murph – and the ash too real clean smoke

sillylittleme

Harleigh…and you were almost our leader….you did win did you not!

MurphTheSurf3

like murph said the repubes in the house don’t have enough votes on either side to elect a new speaker, puts Debbie Wasserman-schultz in the middle

Harleigh

Ad – ooh can we have tricks and treats?

sillylittleme

SLM – how to do a virtual fire at Vox

MurphTheSurf3

Harleigh – I think Pelosi gonna take it again, nothing we need to get done will happen but they can pretend to do something not too harmful

sillylittleme

electric bong?

Harleigh

smoke and mirrors?

sillylittleme

Harleigh…or having to go to Nancy….wicked

MurphTheSurf3

SLM…Nancy as Speaker, how…..we could gridlock….how poetic that would be.

MurphTheSurf3

The house is up for lots of shit… be sure to store up on popcorn. LOL

Harleigh

I heard on Al Jazeera that Paul Ryan is considering a run for Speaker. I’ve been smoking a lot of pot today, since hearing that…

sillylittleme

How much you wanna bet that some big lobbyist firm has a huge carrot hanging out there for Boehner on the condition that he quit now.

MurphTheSurf3

ad- good one! Haloween is my second annivesary of a stroke. It’s scary when you wake up half paralized.

Harleigh

SLM Paul Ryan…..Romney’s running mate…..the author of the privatization of Medicare replacement for ACA….that Paul Ryan?

MurphTheSurf3

Hey, hey, hey!

KillgoreTrout

Boneher is going straight to the lobby, let’s all go to the lobby….

Harleigh

hey KT

Harleigh

What’s up Harleigh?

KillgoreTrout

Murph – yup, it came from Michael Shure and I’ve never known him to exaggerate

sillylittleme

glad its friday man

Harleigh

Hey KT

sillylittleme

Why is Boehner leaving? Maybe because he’s tired of having to deal with a bumch of spoiled brats?

KillgoreTrout

For Harleigh

MurphTheSurf3

Hey slm.

KillgoreTrout

???????????????????

sillylittleme

KT – its getting cool at night, when you headed to the cape again?

sillylittleme

Hey Ad. slm, I’ll be there on the 5th of Oct.

KillgoreTrout

KT – did you request your absentee ballot? or are you gonna be home to vote in the primaries?

sillylittleme

i’m registered in Mass.

KillgoreTrout

i’ll miss the big vote in Ohio for weed legalization. I sure hope it passes.

KillgoreTrout

so, what is the orange man going to do with all his free time?

KillgoreTrout

KT – are you gonna be here for the primary? I think we may have a referendum for full legalization. it may not be until Nov, or the legislature is gonna get it veto proof before year end.

sillylittleme

he’s going to the lobby

Harleigh

Drink wine and play golf? Oh wait, he’s been doing that for years now.

KillgoreTrout

Yeah, I’ll probably be on the Cape for a few months.

KillgoreTrout

KT – he’s gonna hang out with Jeb! until the tide takes them away

sillylittleme

One can only hope!

KillgoreTrout

AD…..the TP crowd will push for Price, I think but the establishment crowd wants McCarthy….but the wrinkle is that without the TP folks, 40 plus, the GOP cannot elect a Speaker without Dem. support…..hooooo boy!

MurphTheSurf3

they will put a bagger in charge for lots of meaningless votes and Benghazi!!

Harleigh

Ad….but very unlikely…..

MurphTheSurf3

Ad, that’ll larn em.

KillgoreTrout

Ad – from the interviews I’ve seen with the tea pukes, ya. they have no clue that they may hang before this is all over.

sillylittleme

Some say Boehner’s leaving may prevent another shutdown.

KillgoreTrout

kT….it will prevent a shutdown…..there is no pressure on him now and he will use his powers to control the legislative process and go along with the Senate.

MurphTheSurf3

If I were in the house I want them to put the biggest bagger dickhaid in as speaker to insure a flush of them next year.

Harleigh

does cruz really think he can pull another shutdown and still win the nomination? They say he’s really intelligent, but I’ve seen no evidence to support such a claim.

KillgoreTrout

KT – unless there is a trick up someone’s sleeve, I think they won’t be able to help themselves

sillylittleme

Harleigh – except that a lot of people can’t take another fiscal hit…

sillylittleme

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=huBQA6xOY08

sillylittleme

sillylittleme

The repubs don’t care SLM…

Harleigh

how’s Uncle Ben doing in the polls? I would think he’d be down a few points after this past week.

KillgoreTrout

Harleigh – ya think?

sillylittleme

Who will replace him? The Three Front Runners: Rep. Kevin McCarthy (R.-Calif.) McCarthy is likely the safest and most likely pick. He’s currently serving as the House Majority Leader, meaning he’s already managed to win an election among his party-mates in the House. McCarthy has been in the House since 2007 and quickly rose in the leadership ranks within his caucus. He’s staunchly pro-life, but some more conservative Republicans will likely view him as an extension of Boehner’s establishment brand. Rep. Jim Jordan (R.-Ohio) Here’s where the more conservative members of the House may find their savior. Jordan has a history within the Tea Party. He won his 5th term in 2014 and has previously advocated for strong-arm tactics to fight back against the White House’s agenda. He was a leader in pushing for the 2013 government shutdown over Obamacare. For Republicans who want to use that tactic as a sledgehammer against President Obama (and possibly Hillary Clinton in the future), Jordan might be a logical choice. Rep. Tom Price (R.-Ga.) Price currently chairs the House Committee on the Budget and sits on the Ways and Means Committee, meaning he has the chops and experience to handle what is certain to be a difficult series of budget negotiations with the White House in the coming weeks. He’s also a member of the Tea Party Caucus while still maintaining strong ties to the establishment GOP in the House. In a Republican party clearly split between obstructionist Tea Party supporters and establishment politicians who are more likely to negotiate, Price could find support on both sides.

MurphTheSurf3

I think that they may back off for now, kick the can…

Harleigh

Damn Murph, you are one fast typist.

KillgoreTrout

KT….something I had at the ready.

MurphTheSurf3

Jordon is a moron, have you ever seen him in committee?

sillylittleme

oh, OK. I was going to say….

KillgoreTrout

Murph – comes prepared for debate!!

sillylittleme

SLM….actually I have been addressing this question at another site.

MurphTheSurf3

slm, is that what we’re doing?

KillgoreTrout

KT – no since DWS thinks it unnecessary

sillylittleme

Oh snap!

KillgoreTrout

I kept hearing Gohmert today, but that was on C-Span. My guess, the baggers were given a script.

sillylittleme

ah yes, Gomer’s pile strikes again.

KillgoreTrout

The TP has no single candidate….this crowd can only negate and obstruct….

MurphTheSurf3

I want Gomert or some really reall whackdoodle as speaker. Howdy gowdy comes to mind

Harleigh

What about Gosar? Anti- Pope…

sillylittleme

Oh boy, hide the sharp objects.

KillgoreTrout

Elmer Fudd/Foghorn Leghorn

KillgoreTrout

one of them said the pope isn’t a real christian! LMAO. but it may have been carson. So many whackdoodles…

Harleigh

gosar the gosarian! Where’s the Gate Keeper?

KillgoreTrout

Gotta find the Key Master…

sillylittleme

Hell they may as well give Alex Jones Boehner’s job.

KillgoreTrout

or the precious!

Harleigh

Well this nation will be undergoing a bit of an exorcism soon…

sillylittleme

christie can be the Sta-Puff marshmellow man!

KillgoreTrout

we better GOTV or die.

Harleigh

mid-terms mid-terms midterms! Hear that dems, you apathetic slime balls?

KillgoreTrout

KT – Perfect!!!!

sillylittleme

This all actually makes my old campaign of Palin-Bachmann look kinda good.

Harleigh

KT – yup vote vote vote every single election!!!!

sillylittleme

Harleigh – scarily it seems sane…

sillylittleme

no shit

Harleigh

We seem to do OK for the presidential elections, but we suck at the mid-terms. That’s why we have all those nut bags in both houses now.

KillgoreTrout

Hello, sorry I’m late.

monicaangela

I went by favorite local watering hole earlier this evening…..there was a table celebration how “Bama’s Boy Boehner got the Boot”

MurphTheSurf3

Ad – I think when they get to the next level of conciousness, they’ll find out.

sillylittleme

Hi Monica!! Long time!

Harleigh

Hey MA

sillylittleme

Monica…howdy doody!

MurphTheSurf3

Hello Harleigh, hope all is well.

monicaangela

Hi SLM!!

monicaangela

i like the new avatar M.

KillgoreTrout

Hey Murph, good to see you here.

monicaangela

Murph – really???? off the charts

sillylittleme

Thanks KT

monicaangela

Ad – they almost got everyone

sillylittleme

Monica…the same to you…Mega greetings.

MurphTheSurf3

SLM…off the charts indeed

MurphTheSurf3

Hey AdLib, it appears the repubs are also anti Speaker.

monicaangela

Ad – they won’t even bring them enough votes for dog catcher

sillylittleme

AdLib, are you actually saying the the Christian Evangelical Republicans are attacking the Pope? Really.

monicaangela

MA – yup and they got a script

sillylittleme

Yeah M, the fundies don’t want no catlicks.

KillgoreTrout

Question for any and all…..WHAT IS THE ATTRACTION OF THE POPE? Seriously, the crowds and the reaction, totally wild. Any thoughts.

MurphTheSurf3

Hi PPO

MurphTheSurf3

Murph – hope

sillylittleme

hey, everybody!

pinkpantheroz

Hey Pink

sillylittleme

Monica the Pope isn’t a real christian…. where have you been girl?? LOL

Harleigh

SLM…thanks

MurphTheSurf3

not sure Murph. It’s always like that, with any pope.

KillgoreTrout

hey PPO

Harleigh

which one’s pink?

KillgoreTrout

I wonder how they are going to sell their message to the evangelicals now. Are the going to confess the fact that they only care about religion when it comes to abortion and gay rights…not all of that Jesus Christ stuff.

monicaangela

Hello PPO!!

monicaangela

KT….this guy is getting more than his share, reminds me of JP II in the Reagan years…..

MurphTheSurf3

the pope is a libertard on the side of people and science and shit!

Harleigh

Yeah Murph. I guess people figure he’s the closet thing to Jeebus that they get to see while still living. Just a guess.

KillgoreTrout

Harleigh, did I miss something, I could have sworn the Pope was confessing to believe in the teachings of Jesus. I guess I’ll have to watch his speak again.

monicaangela

KT – you never noticed? I always call PPO, Pink.

sillylittleme

Monica….given that evangelicals are backing Trump I suggest that the evangelicals are like most GOP….willing to believe whatever is necessary to take down their enemy.

MurphTheSurf3

harleigh, don’tcha know that the Pope id the AntiChrist?

pinkpantheroz

Harleigh..thanks

MurphTheSurf3

Just kidding slm. That’s a line from a Pink Floyd song.

KillgoreTrout

KT…appreciated

MurphTheSurf3

MA – they’re confused on the issue of mammon. the Pope is with them on abortion, etc.

sillylittleme

I believe you are correct Murph. So that leaves me to wonder why so many church folk vote for the GOP.

monicaangela

Murph, it’s the abortion and gay marriage thing.

KillgoreTrout

Monica…here in Mo…most church folk are ardently anti-abortion and that is a key.

MurphTheSurf3

SLM, I guess being with them on abortion and gay marriage is not enough.

monicaangela

KT agree.

MurphTheSurf3

Mega church folk are not xtians, they are blind cultists

Harleigh

Besides, everyone knows those libs are godless heathens.

KillgoreTrout

Murph, there in MO, and in most every other state many of those church folk have had abortions.

monicaangela

KT and that’s fine with me!

Harleigh

Me too Harleigh. I’m a Heathen, myself.

KillgoreTrout

So with Boehner gone, and Walker next in line, what do we think is going to happen to the Speakership in November after Boehner leaves?

monicaangela

Monica…but it was wrong! they have confessed their sin! they have embraced the Lord! Seriously- I think that in my neck of the woods abortion is very rare.

MurphTheSurf3

I’m heathen to the bone! muhahaha

Harleigh

Many religions are anti abortion, and anti gay marriage, until their adherents need them!

pinkpantheroz

You don’t get out much do you Murph.

monicaangela

MA – that was never the issue. I’d never have an abortion, but I don’t want the responsibility of my opinion on someone else’s life. that is why I am pro-choice. many of these anti-abortionists have actually had an abortion. they are hypocrites. they really only care about being rich or one day being rich.

sillylittleme

Ain’t it the truth PPO.

monicaangela

Monica….here are the contenders in the House….Who will replace him? The Three Front Runners: Rep. Kevin McCarthy (R.-Calif.) McCarthy is likely the safest and most likely pick. He’s currently serving as the House Majority Leader, meaning he’s already managed to win an election among his party-mates in the House. McCarthy has been in the House since 2007 and quickly rose in the leadership ranks within his caucus. He’s staunchly pro-life, but some more conservative Republicans will likely view him as an extension of Boehner’s establishment brand. Rep. Jim Jordan (R.-Ohio) Here’s where the more conservative members of the House may find their savior. Jordan has a history within the Tea Party. He won his 5th term in 2014 and has previously advocated for strong-arm tactics to fight back against the White House’s agenda. He was a leader in pushing for the 2013 government shutdown over Obamacare. For Republicans who want to use that tactic as a sledgehammer against President Obama (and possibly Hillary Clinton in the future), Jordan might be a logical choice. Rep. Tom Price (R.-Ga.) Price currently chairs the House Committee on the Budget and sits on the Ways and Means Committee, meaning he has the chops and experience to handle what is certain to be a difficult series of budget negotiations with the White House in the coming weeks. He’s also a member of the Tea Party Caucus while still maintaining strong ties to the establishment GOP in the House. In a Republican party clearly split between obstructionist Tea Party supporters and establishment politicians who are more likely to negotiate, Price could find support on both sides.

MurphTheSurf3

I have never had an abortion either slm, I am also pro choice, not because I believe someone should have an abortion, but because I don’t believe I have the right to tell them they can’t.

monicaangela

shit! If only Bachmann had stayed on…

Harleigh

Harleigh, she’s anxiously waiting for The Rupture!

KillgoreTrout

Same, here, MA. As the Pope himself says, ‘Who am I to Judge?’ Well, if he ain’t, who is?

pinkpantheroz

Pink – the Jews for the most part gave up on much of the old testament. rejecting the negative and focusing on the positive. as with all religions, some haven’t progressed and are holding the rest back. the catholic church has needed a new millenial feel for far too long, as in they skipped an entire millenia. they are long overdue.

sillylittleme

McCarthy is a closet Tea Partier, and as you say hasn’t been in the house very long. I realize he is Majority leader, but I don’t think he’ll just walk into the speakership, not if the Tea Party crowd has anything to say about it.

monicaangela

slm, True, but the current crop of

pinkpantheroz

Me to KT, I can’t wait for jebus to remove all the assholes from the earth, I hope he drops them into the sun.

Harleigh

Monica—- in rural Mo. where there are virtually no abortion providers, and where the morality laid out by the preacher is pretty well accepted (which also permits the use of birth control…as long as the method is pre-conception)

MurphTheSurf3

Christians’ don’t encompass the real message of Christ, namely that His is the NEW testament. They’re still stuck to the OLD

pinkpantheroz

That’s correct PPO. That decision is between a woman, her partner, her God, and her conscience.

monicaangela

Harleigh – I hope he feeds them to the hungry polar bears

sillylittleme

but Murph, every sperm is sacred!

KillgoreTrout

SLM…depends on the Jews you are speaking of….both Conservative and Orthodox wrestle with the OT

MurphTheSurf3

Pink – and worse they misinterpret it

sillylittleme

SLM might make the bears sick too

Harleigh

Murph, there was a time in this nation before Roe v Wade that all over the nation “there were no abortions” however, we had to go to court to get legislation passed, I think they called Roe v Wade….because there were no abortions, and somebody wanted there to be some.

monicaangela

SLM, Absolutely! and make a right Royal bags of it as well

pinkpantheroz

KT…..I know there are those who say it but even in the fundamentalist circles that is generally snickered at.

MurphTheSurf3

As it should be Murph.

KillgoreTrout

Monica…..there were clearly many abortions, in part because there was so little birth control….again,I am speaking from my experience in Red Neck USA

MurphTheSurf3

not every orgasm deserves a name!

KillgoreTrout

Murph – jewish conservatives are mostly the wealthy but not uber rich cafeteria style, the orthodoxy is more traditional, except their traditions are mostly eastern european. the hasidim are our worst, they are our taliban, evangelicals

sillylittleme

That is correct PPO. Somehow many who profess to be Christians, appear to have gotten really tired before they got to the end of the Old Testament. Funny thing is, why do they believe they are called Christians? I wonder…

monicaangela

If sperm is sacred I sure am responsible for lots of holy sheets.

Harleigh

Pink – love that phrase

sillylittleme

SLM..yes….but I am referring to the rabbinic teaching more than anythingelse.

MurphTheSurf3

KT – the actual definition of rapture is orgasm, chew on that one a minute…

sillylittleme

I think Orthodox Jews are taught to always question.

KillgoreTrout

Well, they are divine!

KillgoreTrout

murph – yes but population wise the rabbinate is small, it is always the followers that muck it up

sillylittleme

There were abortions, and there were no birth control pills at that time. They were performed by doctors for the wealthy and by practicioners, bad ones for those who couldn’t afford it, by the way, some used potions they drank to rid themselves of the pregnancy, some used coat hangers and the list goes on. In the south especially, these things occurred. Just because you didn’t hear about it doesn’t mean it wasn’t happening.

monicaangela

SLM…yes.

MurphTheSurf3

KT – my point is that they are waiting for something they could be experiencing daily

sillylittleme

They probably do, they just try to hide it.

KillgoreTrout

KT – true the orthodoxy are very argumentative and mysoginistic

sillylittleme

Murph, If Jesus actually returned and looked at all the Testaments, I’m sure he’d scratch his head and say: That’s not what I said at all! The guys who wrote this crap were playing Chinese Whispers for hundreds of years after I went!”

pinkpantheroz

KT – no they are ashamed of it

sillylittleme

slm, that’s why they make good lawyers.

KillgoreTrout

KT LOL yes and no

sillylittleme

Pink – I think Matthew was closest to the truth.

sillylittleme

PPO….I don’t think it is that simple. This is one of my fields of study. Oral Tradition is real and there are mechanisms that weigh its veracity.

MurphTheSurf3

probably not, Murph, but I wonder….

pinkpantheroz

I believe you’re safe Harleigh, I don’t think the sperm becomes holy until it is introduced to an ovum.

monicaangela

Murph, are you saying the story of Jesus is true?

KillgoreTrout

brb

pinkpantheroz

ovum, meet sperm, sperm meet ovum!

KillgoreTrout

PPO—-like I said a complex subject…

MurphTheSurf3

KT – its more like a squirmy invasion

sillylittleme

KT- at its core I think it is true…yes….but remember I am a Christian Humanist so I strip away the mythological elements added, I believe based on my study, as Christianity took on Roman Pagaism directly.

MurphTheSurf3

I think there probably was a wandering preacher named Jesus, but just a man. I’d like to know why there is an 18 year gap in his history.

KillgoreTrout

You know I kind of wonder about the stories in the Bible. Imagine the fact, that all of those stories were written long after the death of Jesus. Also imagine, that there were many stories that were exclueded from the Bible, then imagine, that somebody sat down and wrote those stories according to what he/she could remember. Also, think about the fact that most books written by women were excluded. Kind of makes you wonder if someone hasn’t pulled a fast one.

monicaangela

Murph – are you aware of the variants of paganism in the Roman Empire? There were so many cultures destroyed. Few acknowledge that the OT actually begins with Avram. All the rest of the beginning of Genesis is from a Sumerian text.

sillylittleme

well it’s not like I wasn’t doing my very best Monica!!! LOL

Harleigh

KT…the way I see it, Yeshua bar Yusef ben Nazrit was a carpenter burdened with a widowed mother (and therefore unable to marry given his station in Galiean Society) who had an awakening (rather like that of the Siddartha Gautama) in his middle age….and he set out to be a preacher like his cousin John.

MurphTheSurf3

KT – I was taught that he was in the seminary, he became a rabbi and when he went home he got a real shock at how the people really lived. he tried to teach his people the scriptures in a way that would free them of oppression. we know how that worked out.

sillylittleme

I believe that alos KT, and as most people like you and others, I would like to know what happened during those years as well. Some say he traveled to places where those writing the stories had no contact with him. I’ve heard that during those years he traveled the world and that is how we came up with other religions…there are so many stories, it makes your head swim. Wonder if we will ever get the definitive answer.

monicaangela

SLM…Seneca notes that more than 200 cults were officially recognized by the imperium.

MurphTheSurf3

SLM…there were no seminaries….

MurphTheSurf3

I’m sure you were Harleigh, but you have to remember it takes two, even your very best can’t make the grade when it comes to holy sperm.

monicaangela

You all do realize that all the buy-bull books that get referenced were supposedly originally ‘written’ thousands and thousands of years ago way before Anglo-Saxons even existed, by non-white Middle Eastern brown men in now dead languages and that those were not their real original names right? Matt, Mark, Luke, John and Zeke?! Yeah right. More like Abdul, Habib or Omar. Most were wandering nomadic herdsmen with even less education than a 4 year old kid in Mississippi that also can’t read or write. Those ‘original’ storybooks were written by hand in a now dead language and transcribed and rewritten and re-interpreted by hand into other now dead languages dozens of times for dozens of different religions/sects or monestaries over the past 5,000 or so years resulting in massive disinformation to control the populations of those times. I got ‘THE WORD’ from a burning bush… or Hey! A talking snake told me…. blah blah blah. I remember decades ago that Jebus and the boys all rode dinosaurs along with Mathew, Mark, Luke and Zeke following Alley Oop around through the Middle East killing all those jungles and forests by tearing limbs off of trees, just as written in the buy-bull by all the phony prophets. All religions are businesses bumming money from suckers and should be taxed.

Harleigh

One theory about the missing years is that he went to the far east and learned of Buddhism, Confucianism and Taoism.

KillgoreTrout

Harleigh….you are mixing the old and new testaments and even there the post-exilic writings are done by scholars

MurphTheSurf3

Murph – he went to the temple at jerusalem when he was bar mitzvah age, they recognized something in him. they taught him scriptures, he may have traveled around the world as well.

sillylittleme

Then why are there so many versions?

Harleigh

That’s true KT, another is he met Mohammed and was also nothing more than a preacher at the time.

monicaangela

SLM….I don’t think so…..that story appears in one Gospel….and it is meant to speak of his seriousness but even there we are told that he returned to Nazareth with his parents andgrew in grace.

MurphTheSurf3

Harleigh – actually they were ancient israelites, muslims didn’t emerge until 500 years ago

sillylittleme

SLM….recall that bar mitvah was not a first century custom.

MurphTheSurf3

Wow Harleigh, great disertation regarding the actualities of what the Bible might say if it was written by the diciples…also, those names you wrote appear more like middle eastern names than what King James came up with.

monicaangela

WHAT?? You mean they were not all white people??!! ROTF, shit, Mrgyn Kelly lied.

Harleigh

Murph – I can’t discuss this with you if you keep shooting down what I was taught. This is what we as Jews learn about the man, the rabbi. He was no messiah, the messiah will bring peace.

sillylittleme

Monica….my reading on this as well…..Matthew is of Hebrew origin. Its Hebrew form is Mattityahu (Matt-tee-YAH-hou), maning “gift of Yahweh” (God). Mark is a Latin name . Its Latin form is Marcus (MAR-koos), meaning “sea-green” or “hammer”.. Luke is a Greek name. Its Greek form is Loukas (LOO-kass), meaning from Lucania, a region in Italy. John is a Hebrew name. Its Hebrew form is Yochanan (Yoh-HAH-nan), meaning “Yahweh (God) is gracious”.

MurphTheSurf3

yeah Harleigh, but Megan says Santa is definitely white.

KillgoreTrout

Murph – and they didn’t do circumsion 8 days after birth in those days either.

sillylittleme

OUCH!

KillgoreTrout

I left religion as a confirmed Episcopal when I was 13, never looked back.

Harleigh

SLM…..oh, I think he was a rabbi, a teacher, but I do not think he had formal training – nor do I think he clearly identified with any of the interpretive groups (Sadducees, Pharisees, Essenes, Zealots)

MurphTheSurf3

SLM…In the seminary? So where did he go for training, to Jerusalem? Where were the schools back in those days, and would he not have learn from Jewish Rabbi’s. If he did, how did he turn out to be so much different than those who taught him?

monicaangela

I left religion when my mom stopped making me go to church.

KillgoreTrout

SLM….that I did not know.

MurphTheSurf3

Remember that Yeshua was from a very poor family in a very poor town in a very poor province….His learning would have been at the synagogue in Capernaum which also explains why they want to toss him from a hillside when he begins to preach is new understanding…he was one of them.

MurphTheSurf3

rabbi’s are baby mutilaters and should be castrated with a butter knife an a brick before they are executed.

Harleigh

My beliefs are mine, and I have no intention of trying to ram those beliefs down anyone else’s throat, or to deny anyone anything because of them.

pinkpantheroz

MA – the high priests would have been the ones to groom him, I think he turned on them. As is evidenced by their paranoia and their agreement to turn him over to the Romans.

sillylittleme

Well folks, have a great weekend. I’m out.

KillgoreTrout

Harleigh – it is a mohel that performs a circumcision, and not all rabbis go that route, it includes medical school…

sillylittleme

Nite KT

sillylittleme

PPO…fair enough…..but one of the problems with that position is that it can shut down discussion about something that serves as a principle source of meaning and understanding for many….that is a part of life that needs to open too.

MurphTheSurf3

‘night, KT

pinkpantheroz

Excellent translations Murph. So during the translation of the Bible, something that had to be done in its entirety would you say mistakes were or could have been made. I speak more than one language, and have heard translations that can be interpreted in many different ways according to the level of education and the cultural background of the person doing the interpreting. Would that not lead us to believe that much of what we read in the Bible is misinterpreted. Also too, many of the stories of the Bible, especially they great flood can be found in stories of many religions and many cultures. It’s all interesting. I still wonder about all of this.

monicaangela

SLM…where are you getting your thoughts from? The Sadduccees, the high priests group based in the temple,were a hereditary class…..and very small regarding those who from the provinces as little better than the pagans (or even a Samaritan).

MurphTheSurf3

nite KT

Harleigh

Good night KT

monicaangela

Murph, I’ve no problem enjoying a good discussion about anything, including religion. I’m happy to discuss, but never to either prosletyse (sp?) or judge others.

pinkpantheroz

Nite KT

MurphTheSurf3

Murph – according to the NT, he was a direct descendent of David, so even as a poor child he would have been eligible.

sillylittleme

Same here PPO, it’s an interesting discussion, and many questions can be asked that usually cannot be answered. As many say, you have to have faith to believe in anything, including yourself so I suppose if you are going to become involved in religion of any sort, you are going to need to have faith in what it is you are trying to understand.

monicaangela

I would never force my total lack of belief on anybody, I learned it from the Oklahoma bishops and Oral Roberts in the early 60’s.

Harleigh

Monica…you are correct I believe…..but there were also efforts to check for validity in translation and transmission AND there were deliberate alterations to elevate the life of the prophet.

MurphTheSurf3

PPO….being open to new insights….the sign of real life.

MurphTheSurf3

Ok Murph – so riddle me this, who was responsible for choosing the books of the NT? And have you read all of the heretical texts?

sillylittleme

There is no need to force your lack of belief on anyone Harleigh, those that believe won’t listen to you, and those that don’t will agree with you and move on…it’s a losing battle.

monicaangela

SLM…the descendant of David…..Gospel of Matthew….and where else…..one of those elements in the mythology that were blended into the narrative…so goes the line of argument from a number of scholarships

MurphTheSurf3

yep.

Harleigh

Absolutely, Murph, no doubt. But I won’t try to force anything on anybody.

pinkpantheroz

true Monica

Harleigh

Catch-a 22, Monica!

pinkpantheroz

Murph, I often wonder who actually made the efforts, and as you say, if they made an effort to uplift the prohet, what other efforts did they make, maybe to downgrade the prophetess?

monicaangela

Well that tears it, I won’t force myself on Monica!! LOL

Harleigh

SLM…you are speaking of the canonical and noncanonical books. Basically it was groups of scholars who weeded through the many texts that began to crop up just as Jewish scholars did for the Massoetic text.

MurphTheSurf3

or SLM

Harleigh

Don’t agree so fast Harleigh.

monicaangela

PPO….forcing usually means that you have doubts about the value of the ideas you are promoting.

MurphTheSurf3

Yep PPO…..Catch 22.

monicaangela

MA – you are closer to the truth than you know…

sillylittleme

SLM, I believe I have lost track. Which truth?

monicaangela

Harleigh – don’t drag me into this, have another toke

sillylittleme

MA – the prophetess

sillylittleme

Monica….given a paternalistic, patriarchal society they did not need to do much BUT the role of Myriam, and the group of women in the Gospels is most interesting, indeed quite radical.

MurphTheSurf3

Murph, yes indeed. If you’re not sure of your argument, force it more and more to bully the opposition!

pinkpantheroz

PPO…my experience.

MurphTheSurf3

Murph – ever heard of Rebecca, Esther, Devorah?

sillylittleme

Absolutely Murph, I’m surprised they didn’t remove all of the radical women from the Bible. Mary Magdalene I believe that is spelled correctly especially.

monicaangela

I came in too late to check out the group’s thoughts on Blubber’s resignation, dammit!

pinkpantheroz

SLM….of course….which is why I am so interested in the role that Myriam and the group of women played in the NT but the three figures you mention are not core….there is little literature associated with them and their stories are examples of the “women too” phenomenon….

MurphTheSurf3

Exactly SLM, those women were prominent, however it appears their stories have been a bit doctored. You can find some stories of them that make them appear to be a bit more militant and others that have them completely subserviant.

monicaangela

Monica…Mary Magdalen (who was NOT a prostitute in the narrative) had a very close relationship with Yeshua.

MurphTheSurf3

Murph – that is because the torah is only a piece of the puzzle, otherwise why would I know history of that time period not found in the OT.

sillylittleme

PPO—-Boehner….he could not cope any further, threw up his hands, faced an uphill reelection battle in which he would likely need Dem votes.

MurphTheSurf3

Exactly Murph, a relation that was as close as any of the deciples, however her story is more or less relegated to helper in the background just happy to be able to tag along.

monicaangela

SLM…say a bit more about that….

MurphTheSurf3

Murph, what a wimp-out!

pinkpantheroz

Welcome back AdLib, the discussion has turned to the validity of the Bible sort of.

monicaangela

Mary was artificially inseminated by aliens right?

Harleigh

Monica….that description applies to all of the disciples except for Peter…..she actually gets as much mention as the next strata of disciples and more than the bottom tier.

MurphTheSurf3

PPO- Boehner could not get the House the way it worked for most his time there and he compromised his integrity away.

MurphTheSurf3

Ad…that is my reading on Boehner as well

MurphTheSurf3

Murph – the torah doesn’t include all of the stories because it would be the entire Harry Potter library. So there are other stories that don’t appear in the OT but are discussed to some extent in the Talmud and there are other ancient rabbinical texts that are included in teachings.

sillylittleme

Murph, when the Christian stories described Mary Magdalene and the other women as the first witnesses of the Resurrection, they were saying something important about the nature of women: that they were capable of being as fully Christian as men.

monicaangela

Harleigh – she was raped by a Roman soldier…

sillylittleme

OK, I see it, Murph and Ad. You don’t see much in OZ about his problems.

pinkpantheroz

SLM….what is interesting to me is that Judaism did as you say….it did not expunge narrative and tradition that was not considered core text….intellectual much more valid in my mind.

MurphTheSurf3

Monica…not only the first witnesses but the first beleivers….VERY significiant.

MurphTheSurf3

Ad…and they had been turning on him for a long time, wearying.

MurphTheSurf3

SLM That bastard!

Harleigh

However, she was not a disciple according to the Bible.

monicaangela

Murph – the question I have always had, is how much of it is attributed to far more ancient cultures as a way of preserving their stories.

sillylittleme

Well, gotta go fix lunch. Cheers to all and see you next week.

pinkpantheroz

Murph – and that brings us to Kabbalah…

sillylittleme

PPO…yes but you have your own interesting electoral soap opera going on in the nations leadership.

MurphTheSurf3

G’day Pink

sillylittleme

Exactly Murph, so how did they go from being the first believers to being relegated to nothing more than

monicaangela

nite ppo

Harleigh

Murph, don’t get me started! Rearranging Deck chairs!

pinkpantheroz

Goodnight PPO

monicaangela

SLM….huge sections of the OT, especially in Leviticus, Numbers and Deuteronmy are drawn from Egyptian Wisdom literature.

MurphTheSurf3

Ad – I think Boehner is sick. He and Coburn are dying. Trying to go out on a high note.

sillylittleme

good night all.

pinkpantheroz

Sorry Murph, relegated to less than the other diciples.

monicaangela

SLM…yes, Kaballah, fascinating.

MurphTheSurf3

Monica…the resurgence of the patriarchy I suspect…..

MurphTheSurf3

Nite PPO

MurphTheSurf3

Really slm, what do you think is wrong with them?

monicaangela

Murph – I believe that is the key to all, if it can be wrested from those who would abuse it. It is I believe a conglomeration of all the best of the most ancient wisdom.

sillylittleme

MA – now I lost the thread, what were we talking about?

sillylittleme

MA…I agree which is why I think the story of the prostitute and Magdala were conflated. Bring her down. Early iconography show Mary, Myriam at the center of the disciples with the largest flame of the Spirit over her head.

MurphTheSurf3

slm… maybe they are being smited! holy moly! LOL

Harleigh

Harleigh – if only

sillylittleme

SLM….I have read a number of non-Canonical books and find them illuminating. So I am with you.

MurphTheSurf3

Yep, and that patriarchy appears to have surfaced during the translation and rewriting of the events that took place. You do know that the translation, at least the King James version was orderd by a Bi-sexual, King James himself. I wonder what the Tea Party Evangelist think about that.

monicaangela

Ad Lib…..HP is now a wasteland…in the comments section….articles are still ok.

MurphTheSurf3

ad that’s probably the reason.

Harleigh

it’s a great place to troll baggers

Harleigh

MA….King James of 1611 is a text whose language reflects the theology of a Protestant Church. Virtually all of what we have been discussing was firmly in place by the time Christianity had become commonplace in the empire.

MurphTheSurf3

Do you think that is all there is to it AdLib. I did see an interview with him today saying that he had planned to quit last year, before Cantor lost his seat, he had planned to resign and let Cantor take over, but after Cantor lost his seat he had to stay on.

monicaangela

MA – ya I saw that too

sillylittleme

Ad- and there are people at HP who know the truth of what you are saying.

MurphTheSurf3

Ad…the HP money people are happy with the facebook platform – the editorial people are not…junk commenting.

MurphTheSurf3

agreed ad

Harleigh

I realize that Harleigh…I’m saying the King James Version of the Bible. Here’s a quote from King James himself: I, James, am neither a god nor an angel, but a man like any other. Therefore I act like a man and confess to loving those dear to me more than other men. You may be sure that I love the Earl of Buckingham more than anyone else, and more than you who are here assembled. I wish to speak in my own behalf and not to have it thought to be a defect, for Jesus Christ did the same, and therefore I cannot be blamed. Christ had John, and I have George.

monicaangela

Ad….I think the Cantor point was that he was Boehners designated heir and then he was gone. Boehner wanted out and Cantor was the door.

MurphTheSurf3

Ad – I think he is dying and he wants to spend what little time he has left not in DC

sillylittleme

slm, GOOD. the fambly bar in Ohio would be a good place for that sorry sack of shit drunk.

Harleigh

I agree AdLib, it doesn’t seem to make much difference when you quit, you’re still quitting. But, he had that story of how he was staying on for the benefit of the party..it didn’t appear to be the truth to me either, but I did see him make the statement in a news interview.

monicaangela

Ad for the money folks it is hits on the site that drive the revenue stream and the fb platform has broken that open.

MurphTheSurf3

Harleigh – he has a place on Marco Island, at least you’re far enough away

sillylittleme

Ad – he wanted more money?

sillylittleme

Frivolity

Beatlex

Hey B

sillylittleme

well I’m falling asleep at the wheel here. later folks

Harleigh

Beatlex

Nite Harleigh

sillylittleme

Hello Beatlex!!

monicaangela

Nite Harleigh, good reading your comments again.

monicaangela

B – lovely coconuts, good to see ya in high spirits

sillylittleme

It has been a crazy month for me friends! Hello!

Beatlex

B – do tell

sillylittleme

Ad McCarthy did not come to Congress until 2014….brand new

MurphTheSurf3

LOL!!! Love the frivolity Beatlex.

monicaangela

Nite Harleigh.

MurphTheSurf3

Beatlex, are you really here.

MurphTheSurf3

Beatle…I just viewed your post. Good one.

MurphTheSurf3

Ad – they thought it would turn around any day now…

sillylittleme

Ad – he needed the doctors in DC?

sillylittleme

Ad- the “someone else’s” were TPers…..and Boehner did not want to endorse that.

MurphTheSurf3

I agree AdLib. Boehner tried everything he could to get along with the crazies in the TP, he even tried 64 times to get rid of Obama Care for them. I believe he should have just cried like he always does, admitted the fact he had had enough and said he needed to spend more time with his family like all of the other quitters do.

monicaangela

Ad…..I am willing to bet that in his heart of hearts….he wishes he was never Speaker….he knows how miserable his legacy is.

MurphTheSurf3

A crazy month Beatlex? Care to elaborate?

monicaangela

Monica….what did you think of my Mary comment (at the center of the disciples)

MurphTheSurf3

SLM,I just finished the job from hell,I paint houses,for 30 years,and this one was was the worst. It was a very old house,and I painted every inch of it.Green ceilings,blue and purple walls,and it was filthy! It is over now

Beatlex

Ad – The Rs are in a bubble, they don’t get how nothing they are. Boehner is gonna be announcing soon that he has advanced liver cancer.

sillylittleme

B – bet its beautiful noe

sillylittleme

now

sillylittleme

Beatle….house painting is very hard work….and when they are old you have to address so many issues before you ever put brush to pan.

MurphTheSurf3

SLM,it tested my skill and patience,but I won in the end!

Beatlex

Ad- there are plenty of non-TPers…yep, but the leadership push was coming from the far right and with Cantor gone and McCarthy new, Boehner’s options were liited.

MurphTheSurf3

Ad – they did an autopsy last year, no one does an autopsy on a living thing.

sillylittleme

SLM, I’m afraid I’m lost, I do remember you saying something about her being in the center with a light or halo over her head. Refresh my memory.

monicaangela

MA – ya lost me, I must be high

sillylittleme

Boehner is doing the right thing? Is he going to work with Nancy and pass the funding bill?

Beatlex

Monica….I pointed out that the patriarchal approach to the NT is challenged by early iconography that place Mary at the center of the church, as mother and foundress, with a super sized share of the Spirit….and then over the centuries she is transformed into the Mary of current iconography…meek, mild, silent.

MurphTheSurf3

B – and give Obama a victory on his way out?

sillylittleme

Murph-FOR SURE! And people don’t get that

Beatlex

I believe that AdLib. I don’t think I’ve ever seen anyone happier admitting they have to quit/leave a job than what he appeared to be on the news today. I still say a lot of that blubbering he was doing behind the Pope was because he knew he would be doing this today.

monicaangela

Ad – I seriously think he doesn’t see any negativity in any of his actions…

sillylittleme

First day, yep….and what power did he have, what influence, even the way he chose to do this today has him skulking from the room

MurphTheSurf3

Beatle…you know I farm in a rural area and old buildings are what I live with…on my farm and in my coop. Hardy work easily done badly.

MurphTheSurf3

AdLib,it just looks bad for the R’s,don’t you think?

Beatlex

That is true Murph, you are correct. You know that, and I know that, but we still have women willing to go along with the program. I see just as many evangelical women, like for instance that horrible person down there in Ky. Makes me wonder if they actually realize that fact that they are aiding and abetting those that would keep them from becoming all they could be.

monicaangela

Staying on gave him McCarthy as the new Cantor.

MurphTheSurf3

I don’t believe McCarthy will win the Speakership. I don’t believe the TP’s want him either.

monicaangela

Monica…..one of the reasons that so many Catholic Sisters (Nuns) have “gone rogue” in the view of traditionalists is that they tossed aside those restrictions.

MurphTheSurf3

Nite all, have a great week. We still have a month of Boehner…

sillylittleme

Goodnight SLM…don’t remind us.

monicaangela

Nite SLM,

Beatlex

Murph, you’ve noticed that too…they have become very militant of late. I believe we may have the opportunity to see a woman become a priest in our lifetime.

monicaangela

It is nearly 11:30 and time for me to say adieu….which is appropriate given the end discussion tonight…adieu…short for “I commend you to God.”

MurphTheSurf3

Goodnight Murph!

monicaangela

AdLib,Maybe,just maybe the Pope had an effect on him.He was holding back tears a lot. Let us pray!

Beatlex

Ad- I wrote a column a while back suggesting Boehner do just as you say here….be a real leader and do some good and then bow out…but he has a lobbying job awaiting and that comes with a price.

MurphTheSurf3

It is 12:26 here, I guess I had better follow Murph and SLM. I’ve enjoyed your company. Sweet Dreams everyone.

monicaangela

GREAT DISCUSSION TONIGHT. MONICA AND BEATLE SOOOOO GOOD TO SEE YOU BOTH!

MurphTheSurf3

THX Murph! See Ya!

Beatlex

AD AND BEATLE…one more thing….several color commentators have said that the Pope said to both Boehner and Biden “I am counting on you.” Biden smiled and Boehner cried.

MurphTheSurf3

Murph,LOL! We can always count on the Bone for some waterworks

Beatlex

Quite the image….take care.

MurphTheSurf3

See you AdLib!

Beatlex