Vox Populi – 10-10-2014

Ahhhhhhh-CHOOO!

pinkpantheroz

You there, Ad?

pinkpantheroz

Just a quick question. How can I paste a photo into here. been trying

pinkpantheroz

URL link???? que?

pinkpantheroz

it’s in my photos folder.

pinkpantheroz

I’ll giv e that a go!

pinkpantheroz

I have a fever of 103 and been treating myself with massive amounts of marijuana.

Harleigh

LOL actually it’s just a bad cold but I told work it was ebola

Harleigh

http://planetpov.com/wp-admin/upload.php?item=45704 . Me in my youth in ’74!

pinkpantheroz

neat!

Harleigh

Ad, did you see it? we talked a week or so ago as to my love of the PP!

pinkpantheroz

We got 6th in the world Champs with her.

pinkpantheroz

Where’s the ‘post’ command in the edit page?

pinkpantheroz

hey slm!

Harleigh

hi harleigh, ad and pink

sillylittleme

pink – nice sailboat

sillylittleme

Hiya, SLM. Memories……… young, fit slim. I was almost like that, once!

pinkpantheroz

so far this week has been good for progressives for voting and declining to interfere with marraige equailty also too!

Harleigh

Harleigh, yes, not a bad week for the white hats.

pinkpantheroz

BRB caffeine time.

pinkpantheroz

ad – was more excited for marriage equality win…

sillylittleme

My wife and I vote by mail here. Signed up for it two years at a time.

Harleigh

harleigh – hope you get better soon, mj cures everything but the common cold passing a doobie

sillylittleme

I hope he gets killed by a big load of dinosaur shit.

Harleigh

Only 3!!!!!!!!!

Harleigh

I would have bet 5 -4

Harleigh

ad – Pat Robertson is a buffoon still shilling for the lord (who he perceives himself to be)…

sillylittleme

harleigh – my 90 year old mom votes in your county, she’ll be supporting Crist…

sillylittleme

SLM I meant to thank you on your music esp 2 of my favs, Laura Branigan – Gloria and KC – Boogie shoes! Love those tunes.

Harleigh

harleigh – Laura died so young and well who doesn’t get up and boogie for kc…

sillylittleme

I loved Laura…. almost as much as you LMAO

Harleigh

ad – maybe there is more behind the scene that we would know if they would deliberate in public…

sillylittleme

harleigh – why do the good always seem to die young, but pure evil lasts forever?

sillylittleme

I wish I had that answer.

Harleigh

I wanna see his face when he gets fucking swallowed by jebus’ dinosaur!! muhahaha

Harleigh

ad – I doubt there’ll be handshaking more like hot poker time…

sillylittleme

hi glenn – how was your week?

sillylittleme

roberts was one!!!

Harleigh

Howdy everyone!

glenn

ad – If I had to guess, I’ll go with Roberts and one of his two faces

sillylittleme

hey glenn

Harleigh

Hi, glenn.

pinkpantheroz

Hey Harleigh, how are you doing?

glenn

Hi PPO, how’s everything down under?

glenn

ad – saddam already has that honor

sillylittleme

Hey AdLib, how are you?

glenn

isn’t it a poke in the eye for the Taliban that Malala got the Nobel Prize? Shows that not all Muslims are feral fundamentalists!

pinkpantheroz

Pat in a 3way with saddam and hitler. perfect.

Harleigh

So…here in the peachtree state, the SOS has “lost” over 4000 voter registrations. Hmmm….need I mention he’s a republican?

glenn

Glenn, Spring horse racin carnival on now. At least its a change from the endless Aussie Football!

pinkpantheroz

Pink – it is a poke in the eye to all suppressive governments

sillylittleme

glenn – who would have guessed?

sillylittleme

PPO–sounds like fun!

glenn

ad – he has many admirers

sillylittleme

SLM–not me!

glenn

I remember those! LOLOLOL

Harleigh

It’s also the weekend they run the Bathurst 100 race for V* Supercars. If yoou’ve never seen this, check it out!

pinkpantheroz

sorry, V8 Supercars

pinkpantheroz

south park is such a smart show!!

sillylittleme

PPO–fast horses, fast cars–any other “fast” things?

glenn

Women!

pinkpantheroz

hey kt

sillylittleme

PPO–Hmmm, I thought so!

glenn

Ad–good one–ask PPO if they’re also furious!

glenn

BTW I had my wife’s permission to say that!

pinkpantheroz

Hey folks! BRB! I just checked to see if I could log in now. I had problems earlier.

killgoretrout

Hey, KT. Glad you’re about.

pinkpantheroz

pink – well that makes it alright

sillylittleme

PPO–Good to know you check with your wife first!

glenn

BRB

killgoretrout

BRB

killgoretrout

sounds like ‘sporking’. It’s like spooning but involves biting followed by angry sex! LMAO

Harleigh

glenn – she made him say that…

sillylittleme

More than my life’s worth not to!

pinkpantheroz

harleigh…..

sillylittleme

hehehe

Harleigh

Harleigh–oh my!

glenn

ad – for total liar

sillylittleme

he is the nozzle

Harleigh

Ad, yes! What a useless cretin to bit POTUS’ hand

pinkpantheroz

Ad–what is this with piling on the President lately?

glenn

glenn November is almost here!

pinkpantheroz

Hey Murph, are you really here?

glenn

I think it’s a ploy.

Harleigh

glenn – when did it stop? this is just more of the same benghazi

sillylittleme

hey murph

Harleigh

hey murph – are you going to the rally in ferguson this weekend?

sillylittleme

SLM–you’re right. I meant “piling on” by Dems.

glenn

BRB

pinkpantheroz

glenn – they are running for office and pulling an al gore all the way

sillylittleme

hey kes

sillylittleme

SLM–I truly don’t get it. There are so many good things that Dems can run on; the deficit is down, Obamacare is working; unemployment is at a level lower than mittromney said he would get it; yet Dems seem to be running away from allthat!

glenn

Hello from me in mesoure…..

murphthesurf3

hey murph

Harleigh

glenn – don’t get it, perhaps they too realize that the reagan revolution is about to end…

sillylittleme

Hey, SLM and friends! Was just skimming earlier comment to catch up. How is everyone?

kesmarn

Ad–I would cast my vote for panetta to be nominated for Most Unsupporting in a Prostituting Role. I don’t care how much of a Clintonite you are; President Obama can’t run again, so why not support him?

glenn

Hello Planeteers!

sabreen60

I think Grimes should have stayed on meddage with women and HC to ditch mitch

Harleigh

message

Harleigh

hey sabreen

sillylittleme

Hi sabreen

Harleigh

hi kes! lol

Harleigh

Hey Sabreen!

glenn

harleigh – did you see about the turtle’s interview with the most popular sports radio jock?

sillylittleme

no

Harleigh

harleigh – he had a coakley/schilling moment…

sillylittleme

Ad–maybe I”m naive, but isn’t it the Dems “responsibility” to help get the President’s approval ratings up? That way, they have a strong platform on which to run. SMH

glenn

Ad…things are not good here…..I feel like St Louis and its innter suburbs are on the edge of a precipice….there is so much anger…so much hatred…so much fear….

murphthesurf3

Rumor has it that Panetta’s job is to distance Hillary from the Prez on policy and set her up for her own run.

kesmarn

I would like to see mitch in front of Hope Solo giving her his conescending smarmy view on women…. just before she knocke his fuckin haid off.

Harleigh

Hey Kes–but where would Hillary be without President Obama nominating her for SOS?

glenn

Good question, glenn.

kesmarn

murph – you don’t think the weekend rally will help?

sillylittleme

Ad–I’m disappointed in Grimes lately, too. However, she’s still miles ahead of the turtle.

glenn

I am praying to baby jebus for a Palin-Bachmann ticket. come git yer screech on.

Harleigh

SLM…the several rallies and marches will not help to soothe the growing sense that Wilson will be getting away with murder.

murphthesurf3

Has Hillary been out and about supporting Dems for the Nov election?

sabreen60

murph – can you blame them?

sillylittleme

Kes–thanks. This is why I have hesitation about HIllary. She does seem to be like a candle in the wind, and blows whichever way she thinks the wind is blowing.

glenn

Everyday there are images of police acting as bullies, and jack booted thugs…every image reinforces the anger of our crowds.

murphthesurf3

Hey, Sabreen! I haven’t seen any coverage of Hillary doing much campaigning for Dems. I think Bill has.

kesmarn

glenn, I read somewhere Hillary said she may be amenable to gutting some of “Obamacare”.

sabreen60

sabreen – she’s being a grandmom for a bit

sillylittleme

glenn, yesterday I read an article on Vox (the website) about Hillary’s senior thesis on Saul Alinsky. Had to wonder what ever happened to that younger, more progressive version of her?

kesmarn

Waht about FLipper rearing his orange face again. good or bad?

pinkpantheroz

PPO–is the flipper the mittster?

glenn

Yup!

pinkpantheroz

kes – money is toxicating, many have left their principles behind for green

sillylittleme

And then label it “maturing,” SLM!

kesmarn

Sabreen–It wouldn’t surprise me that Hillary would gut some of Obamacare. I think my biggest issue with her is I just don’t trust her.

glenn

Evenin’ my American friends!

beatlex

SLM. It’s more the power , but the green does help!

pinkpantheroz

the amazing cryin cheeto rides again on benghazi ans aca gov’t shutdown. wtf?

Harleigh

Pink – he will always be schitt fockme to me

sillylittleme

Murph, I think the protesters have shown great restraint. I heard one young say that this is not your father’s civil rights movement. I have been saying all along, there is no MLK, Jr. The young people really aren’t in to turning the other cheek, but I think the vast majority have really been keeping it together.

sabreen60

Hey, Beatlex! How are you this Friday evening?

kesmarn

Hey Bealex–how goes it?

glenn

hey beatlez

sillylittleme

x

sillylittleme

hi beatlex!

Harleigh

and ozzie

beatlex

Hiya Beatlex!

pinkpantheroz

Beatlex did you have any trouble crossing the border to get here?

Harleigh

Sabreen and Murph–I thought the symphony protest was one of the best protests I have ever seen!

glenn

Had a VERY long day,working out of town

beatlex

glenn – loved it, so did many of the symphony’s members

sillylittleme

That got airtime all over the place, glenn. And the orchestra was really sympathetic.

kesmarn

Missed that, dammit. Where can I check the protest out?

pinkpantheroz

Hey AdLib! It’s been a crashy kinda day today!

kesmarn

And when all hell breaks loose McCulloch’s allies will point at the crowds and say….”see, these are the kind of people who produced that thug who nearly killed a good cop.”

murphthesurf3

glenn, boy do I get weird stuff. I wasn’t around last week because I was in urgent care overnight. I had heard of people getting kidney stones, but I had a stone in a salavery gland. My face looked as though I had been hit by Muhammad Ali. It was awful.

sabreen60

Hi Beatlex!

sabreen60

Harleigh,I have not been to the US in many years

beatlex

oh geez

Harleigh

Ouch, Sabreen! How did they get that stone out?

kesmarn

Wow, Sab. Never heard of that, Sounds Nasty, but I hope you’re OK now.

pinkpantheroz

PPO–just google Micheal Brown St. Louis symphony protest–you should get numerous hits. Of course, some other more tech savy Planeteer can probably provide with you a link.

glenn

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VxR0_Zyn3yc

sillylittleme

sillylittleme

Sabreen–holy cow! Are you okay now?

glenn

Nah, that’s fine, glenn. I’ll check it out. It is very limiting what we get here from the US.

pinkpantheroz

beatlex you’re not missing much.

Harleigh

Sabreen,that had to hurt,are you OK now

beatlex

sabreen – hope you’re feeling better

sillylittleme

SLM…I was at Powell Hall last week when the protest happened.

murphthesurf3

Murph–was it as awesome in person as it was on video?

glenn

murph – it must have been moving

sillylittleme

PPO–see I told you a Planeteer would oblige. Check out the video–it’s awesome!

glenn

kes, This is gross – but you asked. The next day after being pumped with antibiotics, steriods and pain mediciene, I went back to my ENT. I had a hole on the inside of my cheek. He massaged my face and the stone popped out through the hole. I had a CT scan so he knew it was in there.

sabreen60

Yeah well we have to be more vigilant about young black men armed with, skittles, cigars and sandwiches ya know!

Harleigh

ad – justice will be served… eventually

sillylittleme

glenn and slm…it was very well done, the orchestra responded in kind, most of the audience was respectful and somber, the conductor waved off the ushers, the few who objected were quickly hushed…IF that spirit could be bottled then I would have no fear but I do not think it can be.

murphthesurf3

Yeah, folks. I’m ok. Still taking oral antibiotics and feeling much better. That pain was awful.

sabreen60

Harleigh–I’m not sure about the “sandwich” defense. There was a gun found at the scene, wasn’t there? I know it could have been planted, but then again….

glenn

awesome murph

Harleigh

Just seen it, thank you all. WOW! What a powerful stand.

pinkpantheroz

Sabreen, that’s kinda what I expected to hear. LOL! Not to worry about the gross factor. I am a nurse after all. (Or at least still have my license!)

kesmarn

Who here thinks that there will be no charges brought against the cop who killed Michael Brown? The prosecuter seems to be trying to avoid that

beatlex

Ad….McColloch is elected by a white population….most are angry at having lost their city, or they are now in what is now the suburbs and used to be their small town…and are angry about that.

murphthesurf3

Beatlex, surely negligent homicide, at the very least?

pinkpantheroz

He’ll get off by virtue of a planted throwaway gun.

Harleigh

Murph–I did love the expression on that one woman’s face! That was priceless! Nice to know that the orchestra was respectful.

glenn

ad – if that were the case, the list would be very long…

sillylittleme

glenn – I hope her kids see it at some point and ridicule her

sillylittleme

Beatlex–I don’t think there will be any charges against Wilson. However, I hope once that happens, we aren’t faced with another Rodney King riot.

glenn

I don’t know Oz,but it seems to me the prosecuter wants no charges brought.Why was the cop allowed to testify for 4 hours? That does not happen often as far as I know

beatlex

Beatlex, when McColloch decided to go with a grand jury rather than charging Wilson with a crime I thought that this is not going to be good. BTW, I saw some Cardinal fans with Darren Wilson signs and later someone is making t-shirts that say “We are Darren Wilson”. I guess I will never understand the mentality.

sabreen60

SLM–I hope her anyone who knows her ridicules her!

glenn

Glenn,I think you are right

beatlex

b – I for one would want him to answer a LOT of questions!!!!

sillylittleme

Sabreen,I saw that,it is disgusting to me

beatlex

More than half a million has been raised for Wilson….on line…where some of the most offensive racism can be found in print.

murphthesurf3

sabreen most of us will never understand bagger mentality.

Harleigh

murph – find them all and ship them to syria…

sillylittleme

harleigh – hear, hear or here, here (which is more appropriate)

sillylittleme

That’s what I’ve been saying too, SLM. If those T-baggers are itching for a fight, let ’em go to Syria.

kesmarn

Murph–why is that money being raised? So far Wilson hasn’t been charged with anything, has he? So, why does he need money? Doesn’t he still have his job, too? What does he need money for? WTH is wrong with these people? That last question is a rhetorical one, BTW.

glenn

kes – it would help them get some perspective on the world

sillylittleme

glenn – spot on

sillylittleme

It would, SLM. And maybe a visit from Malala to Ferguson would be in order too.

kesmarn

ad – they don

sillylittleme

‘t want to acknowledge history

sillylittleme

I don’t know if the young man had a gun or not. But the video I saw of him in the store showed his pants damn near around his knees. Seriously, where was he carrying a gun? He had on a thin t-shirt and his pants were hanging way down on his butt.

sabreen60

kes – without a doubt!!

sillylittleme

HAHAHA those baggers in a gunfight would fold like the cowards they are in less than a day. Can you just imagine one of those fatassed doughnut cops walking in the desert.

Harleigh

Glenn- Go Fund Me had a defense fund on its site. It has now shut down but not before a lot of money was raised.

murphthesurf3

‘Zactly, Harleigh! They would be crying for their momma’s within 48 hours.

kesmarn

Murph–so does Wilson get to keep all the money?

glenn

Ad….Custer lost but the white settlers won and native Americans were the big losers in the end.

murphthesurf3

kes – I don’t think it will take that long

sillylittleme

Right, AdLib. Ferguson is 3rd world. Tribal white folks.

kesmarn

Murph–IOW–shoot an unarmed black teenager–become rich!

glenn

Glenn….the money goes to a fund controlled by his friends.

murphthesurf3

ad – but for them that was justified

sillylittleme

Murph–okay, I’ll bite. What are the friends doing with the money? Not that I feel sorry for any of the fools who donated, but what is happening with the money? Show me the money!

glenn

Harleigh, make no mistake there are plenty of guns in black communities. That’s why I said I think the protesters – especially the young ones have used a great amount of restraint.

sabreen60

Glenn….that question is one of the reasons the appeal ended…..

murphthesurf3

murph – who shut it down?

sillylittleme

Murph–ahhh–so no one knows, right?

glenn

glenn, they’re probably donating a chunk of it to the NRA.

kesmarn

Kes–and sending flag pins to the donors, because nothing says “patriot” like a flag pin!

glenn

Ad….true, but the power differential is very significant.

murphthesurf3

A flag pin and an AR-15 — makes yuh a real ‘Murrikan.

kesmarn

glenn – a made in china flagpin

sillylittleme

kes, unless you’re black, then you’re an urban terrorist

pinkpantheroz

Right, PPO. A danger to society.

kesmarn

Murph–referring to Sabreen’s post that there are plenty of guns in black communities–does MO have an “open carry” law? As we all know, there’s nothing like black people openly carrying guns that would get those “open cary” laws changed!

glenn

ad/glenn – couldn’t agree more

sillylittleme

Glenn…Mo. has open carry and it has concealed carry with permit.

murphthesurf3

Point to ponder. What if someone applied to build a mosque in Ferguson. the poor racists would die from whiplash looking over their shoulders so much!

pinkpantheroz

Speaking of open carry — there was a case of a 21 year-old guy open carrying. And another guy decided “Hey, I like your gun,” and robbed him of it at gunpoint. It would have been funny if it hadn’t been so pathetic.

kesmarn

Ad–and don’t forget that there is absolutely NO outrage at the 19 beheadings conducted by Saudi Arabia in the past year. SA is our ally, dontcha know? And, I know from personal experience, from living in Saudi Arabia, that those beheadings are conducted in the main square in the towns, and held on the holy day, Friday.

glenn

I was glad to see that Eric Holder ordered an investigation into policing in America.I just hope it bears fruit.It is disgusting what goes on now in many places>we have crime here in Canada,and problems with policing too.But at least we don’t have many shootings

beatlex

Glenn! great point

beatlex

Kes–I read that, too about the guy being robbed. Oh well!

glenn

So true, AdLib. Some of those Ferguson white thugs would fit right in with the ISIS gangs. Just swap out those white hoods for black ones.

kesmarn

Murph–weren’t you saying something last week about the voter registration in MO? Is that still happening?

glenn

Glenn…there have been a number of stories about registration. I find the reporting contradictory.

murphthesurf3

Ad–I guess that’s the difference, although if you’re the one being beheaded, might not mean so much to you.

glenn

I don’t see any good coming out of these bombings of ISIS.I know the President had to do something,but more bombs won’t help IMO

beatlex

Well kids, I’m going to be taking the Fave to the local apple festival tomorrow, so I’ll have to call it a day early tonight. If you wonder where all the bees in America have gone, they’ll be there. Trying to drink your apple cider at the same time you are. Fun! Anyway — have a great weekend all!

kesmarn

Well, beatlex, if nothing else, it’s helping the economy, spending a million bucks a pop to clobber a Toyota truck.

pinkpantheroz

c I think if you want to have a real bombing campaign then level all of their mosques on the same day when they all have that whackdoodle screecher yelling from the top of a tower.

Harleigh

Beatlex–the ISIS situation is one of those “damned if you do; damned if you don’t.” I still think it should be the MIddle Eastern countries bombing ISIS, though, not the US. I think the US finally has to stand up and say, “Enough”. If you want these terrorist groups to end, you take care of it!

glenn

nite kes

sillylittleme

Kes–have fun! G’night.

glenn

G’nite, Kes.

pinkpantheroz

nite kes

Harleigh

I think if you’re a badass show your face. The klan/ISIS are cowards. And I think ISIS is in for the money. I read that they pay $1000 per/person to join. Plus they make $$$ off the oil fields. Yeah they many religious zealots, but I think money trumps everything.

sabreen60

Oz,really,ISIS has changed their tactics,such as not traveling in convoys,and they are still on the move

beatlex

Goodnight Kes!

beatlex

BRB folks

glenn

Glenn,I agree,the countries affected should be doing the fighting

beatlex

Beatlex, IMO it’s just a matter of time before ISIS will be of little significance. History has shown that violent thugs lose in the end. ME countries are going to get very tired of ISIS.

sabreen60

Hey folks! Like McArthur, I have returned!

killgoretrout

Sabreen,until the next group of bogeymen

beatlex

Good night, kes. Enjoy the weekend and have a great week.

sabreen60

Hiya, KT!

sabreen60

KT!!

beatlex

Hey Homie! Hello, goodbye!

killgoretrout

abreen and Beatlex…whether it is ISIS or some other body, the fires of fundamental, jihadist Islam are burning too hot.

murphthesurf3

welcome back honored guest!

Harleigh

Hey Sabreen and B! And Harleigh!

killgoretrout

hey kt

sillylittleme

how’s mom?

sillylittleme

What’s up slm. You’re my temporary Homie now!

killgoretrout

Beatlex, Our media is doing everything in it’s power to make us afraid of ISIS and Ebola. The media wants us afraid.

sabreen60

murph – so agree, that is what has been taught for the last couple of decades

sillylittleme

Murph,for hundreds of years.If there was no oil in the ME,they would have been left alone to fight their tribal wars

beatlex

kt – how’s the cape

sillylittleme

AdLib,Penetta! whar a back stabber,all to sell books

beatlex

Just great slm! We’ve had some really great days. The leaves are almost turned.

killgoretrout

kt – I’m going out to take some pics tomorrow. I have a few pond shots that I drove by yesterday, beautiful

sillylittleme

beatlex- oil, the Suez, Israel, Iran….the ME of the 19th and early 20th century is long, long gone

murphthesurf3

True Murph

beatlex

Hey funk!

killgoretrout

True Murph,what a frigging mess over there!

beatlex

Hi everyone!

funksands

THE FUNKSTER!

beatlex

What up X?

funksands

Bill Maher and Sam Harris are being raked over the coals by some emo-progs because they told the truth about Islam.

killgoretrout

Hi funk…I have your article book marked for reading – no time of lat

murphthesurf3

It’s true countries in the ME fought each other. Just like countries in Europe fought each other. The West didin’t help in the ME with their divide and conquer routine. In addition, too many Muslims (just like those in this country) sit on their hands and refuse to get involved when they see wrong being done.

sabreen60

Its okay Murph. It’ll still be there.

funksands

Hi Funk!

sabreen60

I have mixed feelings about the Harris/Maher issue.

funksands

Hi Sabreen

funksands

Funk,few beers,chat with you guys,chilling after a tough week

beatlex

Hey KT–how’s your mom?

glenn

How’ve you been?

funksands

Hey Funk!

glenn

How so funk?

killgoretrout

X, thanks for reminding me.

funksands

She’s doing OK glenn. Thanks for asking.

killgoretrout

Funk, say more please.

murphthesurf3

Funk, There are 1 billion Muslims in the world. No way can you lump them all together.

sabreen60

LOL Funk!

beatlex

KT, not sure. I’ve heard this argument from both of them time and time again. I keep wanting to ask why they think Asians, Arabs, Persians and Africans are so susceptible to radical Islam

funksands

Ad–I agree. ISIS is just another way to attack Obama. Not to mention to tie them to immigration, Benghazi, the IRS, and any other dumb thing the rw nut jobs can come up with!

glenn

hey funk

sillylittleme

Hey SLM

funksands

sabreen – agree

sillylittleme

Hi Ad.

funksands

I think they just tell it like it is about some aspects of Islam. They never said all Muslims were terrorists or fanatics. They basically talk about the oppression of women and gays and anybody that critisizes their religion.

killgoretrout

Funk–I’m with you about the mixed feelings. I think Reza Aslan brings up good points. As for Muslims in the US sitting on their hands, I think they are protesting these fundamentalists, they just don’t get any press. In addition, there are many Christians in this country sitting on their hands regarding the fundamentalists here!

glenn

KT, now Christians are starting to feel what the Incas and Aztecs felt when faced with Christianity.

pinkpantheroz

Bomb Dearborn! LOL

Harleigh

pink – and they don’t like it one bit

sillylittleme

The big problem with Islam is they have no central authority. All the factions and sects can interpret the Quran any way they choose. That’s a problem.

killgoretrout

The standard of living in the ME is for the most part very low.That sows a lot of resentment.And they are lashing out at America and other western nations for robbing them of their oil wealth.among other things

beatlex

Agree, KT. I wonder if there are as many versions of the Koran as there are Bibles.

pinkpantheroz

KT, Where’s the difference. Christian fundamentalist hate gays, thinks everyone should believe as they do and believe women should be subservient.

sabreen60

I don’t go back too in history regarding the crimes of other religions. I stick to the present because that’s what is really relevant now.

killgoretrout

Its true that if Sam and Bill had burned a Koran on the air that night that thousands would have died in protests around the world and they would have lived in hiding for the next several years. I admit it. I think the bigger story is why that is politically possible. The raping and pillaging of SE Asia, N. Africa and the Middle East by succession of imperialists, invaders, and strongmen led to radical islamists taking and holding political power.

funksands

Beatlex–It’s not the Americans robbing them of their wealth–it’s their own damn leades. Most of the leaders and their followers live very well.

glenn

kt – that could be said of any religion, except for catholicism

sillylittleme

Beatlex–leaders in the ME, I mean.

glenn

This really is a political problem primarily in its heart rather than a religious one. And I am the last guy to excuse religion for anything.

funksands

I respect anyones right to worship what ever they want.But IMO religion is BS that has caused more people to die than any other cause

beatlex

Good one, Sabreen!

pinkpantheroz

Amen X. 😉

funksands

b – start of every war in history…

sillylittleme

The difference Sabreen is that Christians don’t kill the offenders of their religious views. Some of the fanatics probably would if they could get away with it, but by comparison, the killings occur on a far greater scale within the Islamic religion.

killgoretrout

ad – I side with Ben, he was trying to get them to hear that broadbrush painting is wrong

sillylittleme

Ad, I think you are spot on. Tell me that extremists in this country would act exactly the same if the political culture allowed and encouraged behavior like this against non-believers

funksands

With Islam, as with current GOPTP politics, religion and faith are interconnected. Bad for all, is my opinion

pinkpantheroz

Glenn,I am talking about a 100 years ago when western powers moved into the region to take oil,which they did

beatlex

kt – I beg to differ..

sillylittleme

Sorry, I meant politics and faith

pinkpantheroz

Islam is more violent than any other religion I know of. I’m talking present day.

killgoretrout

slm, how so?

killgoretrout

You all do realize that all the buy-bull books (including Korans) that get referenced were supposedly originally ‘written’ thousands and thousands of years ago way before Anglo-Saxons even existed, by non-white Middle Eastern brown men in now dead languages and that those were not their real original names right? Matt, Mark, Luke, John and Zeke?! Yeah right. More like Abdul, Habib or Omar. Most were wandering nomadic herdsmen with even less education than a 4 year old kid in Mississippi. Those ‘original’ storybooks were written by hand in a now dead language and transcribed and rewritten and re-interpreted by hand into other now dead languages dozens of times for dozens of different religions/sects or monestaries over the past 5,000 or so years resulting in massive disinformation to control the populations of those times. I got ‘THE WORD’ from a burning bush… or Hey! A talking snake told me…. blah blah blah. Thanks for sharing your dogma though. All religions are businesses and should be taxed.

Harleigh

KT, I don’t think it’s the Qu’ran that’s the problem. It’s Hadith (sayings of the Prophet). There is suppose to authentic Hadith and false. Much of it cultural. For instance, there is nothing in the Qu’ran that says a woman must be completely covered except for her eyes. Nor is there anything that says a woman can’t be educated. These are things that men have decided on their own.

sabreen60

KT, sadly so, because the ME leaders didn’t spend their oil money on social or educational programs. They’re not wired like that.

pinkpantheroz

KT,they mete out barbaric punishments and killings for sure

beatlex

Great point PPO!

killgoretrout

kt – Because we can’t just look at recent history, this is the culmination of millenia of history

sillylittleme

ad – not criticizing it, but being absolutist

sillylittleme

So why wasn’t Islam used in this radical way in the past? This is fairly recent occurrence historically speaking

funksands

Here’s what Reza Aslan had to say about Maher’s criticism of Islam: And I would say that the other thing that’s a little bit different is that the criticism of Islam has really crossed the line into what can only be described as frank bigotry. When he starts decrying how many babies born in Europe are named Mohammad, says things about Muslims in America “bringing that desert stuff into our world” — that is no longer just simple criticism of religious doctrine or practice. That’s a very specifically targeted animosity towards a particular group of people. You don’t see him saying things like that about other religious groups — though, again, in his defense, to him the problem is religion in general.

glenn

Absolutely NOY Ad. I think Affleck let his ego get the best of him. He was trying to show us he was the biggest “liberal,” in the room. I thought his argument was childish and a bit rude.

killgoretrout

ad – Maher and Sam were being absolutist too

sillylittleme

Maher and Harris have criticized Christianity, plenty.

killgoretrout

funk – wahabbi teachings, recent (couple of decades) phenom

sillylittleme

Beatlex, they are stuck in the strict, straight-down-the-liine word for word teachings of the Koran, which keeps them in the Middle Ages. Want to know what Christians did in those days? Well, keep checking the Fundamentalist oiks in the South and find out.

pinkpantheroz

Jebus rode a dinosaur with Alley Oop! word!

Harleigh

What do you all think of Aslan’s statement?

glenn

KT, Christians left this country and went to Uganda and encouraged to hold “kill the gays” there. No, American Christians didn’t do the actual killing, but they encouraged it.

sabreen60

SLM, okay so now we’re on to something. If muslims were able to avoid this level of radicalism for 2000 years, why now?

funksands

funk – ask the saudis

sillylittleme

Saudi Arabia is a barbaric state,but they ARE America’s barbaric state

beatlex

Harleigh:

funksands

yep beatlex

Harleigh

b – barbarians were socialists, the romans were the real evil people

sillylittleme

I agree SLM. I really have a problem with broadbrushing – in all areas.

sabreen60

funk, Social media is spreading the fundamentalist crap like no other time in the world

pinkpantheroz

Ad, Maher and Harris never said all Muslims were murderous extremists. Although, that’s what many people are claiming. I watched that episode and Maher and Harris were using facts.

killgoretrout

PPO, that’s a good point.

funksands

funk – nice!!

sillylittleme

Good one Harleigh!

beatlex

Sorry if that offends anyone. I just think its a nifty picture

funksands

That explains it all Funk in one photo! You da man! LOL

Harleigh

KT–well that picture certainly covers all the bases, doesn’t it? Or, at least the Christian ones.

glenn

sabreen – that’s always a part of the problem in any conflict

sillylittleme

There is some nasty punishment in the Old Testament, but most sane people don’t execute those punishments and realize that times have changed.

killgoretrout

I just think the argument too often comes dangerously close to saying that Arabs and Persians et. al are somehow especially “susceptible” to the corrupting influence of Islam

funksands

That I don’t want to hear.

funksands

funk – agree

sillylittleme

Kt, because of education and refinement of living mores which have not been the case in the ME, due to the tribalism.

pinkpantheroz

What are you referring to funk?

killgoretrout

Pretty sure ISIS will not get their world caliphate.

beatlex

There was a song about it in the early 60’s, Alley Oop by the Hollywood argyles. But i don’t know how to post it.

Harleigh

Funk, one could also say that some Americans are somehow especially “susceptible” to the corrupting influence of Christianity.

glenn

Islam is used like this because it has become politically acceptable to use radicalism as a tool of statecraft

funksands

The tribalism springs from different interpretations of the Quran and the Haddith.

killgoretrout

harleigh –

sillylittleme

Glenn, I think its more like “white people are more susceptible to radical Chrisitanity”. Make sense?

funksands

KT, sounding very familiar with Christianity these days, isn’t it?

pinkpantheroz

Did everyone see that now Kaintuck may not pay for roads to the creationist museum!?

Harleigh

glenn – agree, funk – not as white as you think it is

sillylittleme

Funk–okay, I’ll buy that. And add, “uneducated” to the white people.

glenn

pink – spot on

sillylittleme

harleigh – they can ride their dinos there

sillylittleme

Just to be clear and on the record….I am a Christian Humanist….Christian humanism emphasizes the humanity of Jesus, his social teachings and his propensity to synthesize human spirituality and materialism. It regards humanist principles like universal human dignity and individual freedom and the primacy of human happiness as essential and principal components of, or at least compatible with, the teachings of Jesus. Christian humanism can be perceived as a philosophical union of Christian ethics and humanist principles. I regard Yehua bar Yusef bin Nazrit and the Siddartha Gautama, the Buddha….as the principle sources of human philosohpical enlightenment. I do not buy the mythology that surrounds either one. Muhammad is not in the same category with them.

murphthesurf3

SLM you are awesome, Gloria, Boogey shoes and now Alley Oop! Stoned and in luv! LMAO

Harleigh

Extreme religious ideology is only going to be used when the political powers allow it.

funksands

Harleigh–and is it the creationist museum that may go broke because they can’t get tax exempt status? Seems if they have to pay taxes, they can’t afford to be in business. Damn that Obama!

glenn

True PPO. But Christians don’t cut off heads and shoot young school girls for trying to get an education. And I know not all Muslims are included in the violent extremist groups.

killgoretrout

Maher and Harris condemn all religions.

killgoretrout

KT, you have a point, but parallels can be drawn with the treatment of blacks in the US.

pinkpantheroz

harleigh –

sillylittleme

AdLib! Spot on!

beatlex

brb

funksands

Ad, yes, maybe we’re trying too hard to get points across.

pinkpantheroz

PPO, the treatment of blacks in the US is not religion based.

killgoretrout

Okay folks, it’s approaching the midnight hour here; time for me to say goodnight. Take care everyone; I think this discussion tonight is very thought-provoking and I hate to leave. I’ll check it out tomorrow afternoon after soccer. ‘Night, all!

glenn

kt – isn’t it?

sillylittleme

nite glenn – have a great week

sillylittleme

No slm, it isn’t. Nowhere in either testament does it condemn black people.

killgoretrout

Sleep well glenn.

killgoretrout

Night Glenn

funksands

Thanks, Ad

glenn

kt – what it says and how it is interpreted are two different things

sillylittleme

You know, we are not that far removed from violent Christians in this country. Christians were still hanging black people in the 30’s and 40’s. And/or killing them in anyway they chose. No way did all Christians partake of these horrific acts. But many came out to watch a good ole hanging. Perhaps Muslims will see that the violences committed by some is causing the world to condemn them all.

sabreen60

OH, I forgot about the KKK. They do call themselves Christians.

killgoretrout

Humanity has been warring with each other since we came on the scene,it started out over territorry,and has been evolving ever since.There will always be war as long as humans are in existence.And the way things are going…

beatlex

But the KKK hates anybody who isn’t a WASP.

killgoretrout

Someone,sometime,somewhere will drop a nuke sooner or later

beatlex

B, that’s because man is an aggressive animal.

killgoretrout

Good night glenn. Take care.

sabreen60

nite glenn!

Harleigh

Evolution hasn’t taken away all of our primal instincts.

killgoretrout

See you Glenn!

beatlex

SLM-

Harleigh

Murph, do you find more people gravitating to your particular brand of Christianity now? Or are the mega-churches still in control in your part of the world?

funksands

KT,we are a warring species IMO

beatlex

Damned opposable thumbs and frontal lobes

funksands

We are a greedy species too.

killgoretrout

agree with b, funk and kt

sillylittleme

But the KKK didn’t hang everybody who wasn’t a WASP. And the KKK is just one white supremist group who bases their ideology in Christianity.

sabreen60

Funk…there are not many mega here…lots of little churches and the tv ministers….fundamentalism dominates.

murphthesurf3

Sadly true Sabreen.

killgoretrout

Ah

funksands

sabreen – does that excuse their behavior?

sillylittleme

Westboro is way off the wall along with the phony hicks on Duck Dumbasses.

Harleigh

Funk…I am at home in the Episcopal Church which has a long tradition of intellectualism which is where Christian Humanism finds its natural home.

murphthesurf3

Murph, do you see young people trending back into your church? Or not so much?

funksands

SLM, I am not excusing violence from anyone. I’m only saying that no ones hands are clean when it comes to religion.

sabreen60

funk….the young are less and less churched.

murphthesurf3

Ad, I would say that, in comparison, it was a relatively small number of murderous Christians. Once again though, I think the main argument pertains to the present.

killgoretrout

Ad, it was 100 short years ago that we raped, pillaged and tortured our way through the entire population of the Phillipines in the name of the White God

funksands

Maher and Harris were talking about modern day Islam.

killgoretrout

Murph – I am a confirmed Episcopal since 1961! Have not ever been back.

Harleigh

Aslan did make some good points about economic advantages in the West.

killgoretrout

Murph, that’s kind of what I thought. I do see this in my friends that are in their 30’s that they tend to gravitate toward the universalist churches in the area.

funksands

Harleigh…I chose the Episcopal Church as a 50 year old

murphthesurf3

Harly-LOL

beatlex

smart harleigh

sillylittleme

My church is Nature. This includes everything.

killgoretrout

The young who are churched tend to move to the philosophical or the fundamental…one side or the other

murphthesurf3

Of course in my 10 year-old 5th grade class they speak 12 different languages, my experience may not be representative of other’s.

funksands

KT, Here’s where I have a problem. Millions of my people died during the Atlantic slave trade. These were Christians who were slave traders. It’s really hard to pretend that I will never know my roots. Just as Jewish people say never forget. It’s pretty hard for black folks to forget. As I said, I don’t see clean hands regardless of where I look.

sabreen60

Murph, true.

funksands

I thinnk the major problem of fundamentalists of all stripes is that they have not been educated enough to avoid the seduction of fundamentalism anywhere.

pinkpantheroz

No argument here Sabreen. My argument concerns the present.

killgoretrout

Great point PPO. That’s why the baggers hate education so much.

killgoretrout

I think the major problem of fundamentalists is that they typically have little education, little freedom, little political power, little hope, little upward mobility, little control over their own own future. Th

funksands

Again Ad, my argument concerns the present day.

killgoretrout

Pink – they have been indoctrinated not taught

sillylittleme

This breeds people susceptible to radical religious extremism

funksands

AD the dark ages were kinda bleak too, except for Robin Hood of course.

Harleigh

funk – bingo

sillylittleme

I totally agree, funk, and SLM

pinkpantheroz

Laughing here Harly!

beatlex

hehehe

Harleigh

KT, Until Muslims who oppose violence stand up and speak out, change will not happen. In this country, not until whites in other parts of the country saw dogs, water cannons, etc. put upon blacks did they feel a sense of shame and outrage.

sabreen60

I think the extremists in the Islamic religion are their own worst enemies. Their violence and murderous ways will increase moderate Muslims.

killgoretrout

We need a chuckle right now. Let’s talk about Mitt Romney!

pinkpantheroz

How about Sarah “Do you know who I am?” Palin.

killgoretrout

pink – schitt fockme lookin’ for a comeback that is funny

sillylittleme

KT, someone said the other day that radical Christianity was suppressed only when it become so awful, so oppressive that people simply couldn’t take it anymore and overthrew f it

funksands

I will just be flat out amazed if Myth’s wife Money Boo Boo allows him back into the clown car.

Harleigh

Here is the problem for Islam- the principle jihad is at its core. Modern Islam has tried to reshape this as Itajihad, the inner struggle, but for most Muslims the idea of external struggle against non believers (Muslims and Infidels alike)is the organizing principle with the f aith.

murphthesurf3

KT, I’d love to have been there to yell: ” Hey, there’s some broad here who doesn’t know who she is”!

pinkpantheroz

The problem moderate Muslims face today is retribution from the nut bags.

killgoretrout

harleigh – especially if he has to put up more of his own money…

sillylittleme

“Every time I look at I can’t understand, why you let the things you did get so out of hand…”

funksands

Me too PPO! I would have said “Yeah, we know who you are, that’s the problem!

killgoretrout

funk –

sillylittleme

I think its funny my wife has Jesus Christ Superstar blaring in the background while I talking you guys

funksands

Murph, true.

funksands

LOL Funk, did you drop some acid for the occasion?

Harleigh

He’s everywhere funk, he’s everywhere!

killgoretrout

Harleigh, my 10 year old doesn’t like me to put him to bed if I’m on acid.

funksands

funk, I’m listening to ” honey, I keep missing you, but my aim is gettin’ better!”

pinkpantheroz

Murph, I sat in a Masjid for 10 years. I was never taught about jihad. Nor was I taught to hate “infidels”. BTW, I was born Baptist. Now I don’t belong to any organized religion.

sabreen60

Tammie Davis or Havoc51 version?

funksands

Funk I can’t imagine why! MOM!! Dad’s fuckin rambling again!!! wahahaha

Harleigh

funk, that’s because the bed keeps moving.

killgoretrout

Sabreen!

funksands

Sabreen…where was the Masjid?

murphthesurf3

Harleigh he’s such a buzzkill

funksands

KT that’s funny

funksands

Ah Kids….

Harleigh

Sabreen, you are such an intriguing person

funksands

Murph, Washington DC

sabreen60

ad- excellent point

sillylittleme

Well said, Ad.

pinkpantheroz

Ad, I think it’s good to speak out about the ugly side of Islam. The ugly side of any thing as powerful as religion.

killgoretrout

Ad….Christianity, as a relgious principle, was experience most clearly by the Christian churches of the first three centuries and then captured by the Roman ruling class.

murphthesurf3

Ahh Funk I’ve been on several paths searching for truth.

sabreen60

Sabreen, I’m going to have to buy you a couple of cocktails one of these days…

funksands

Well folks, I’m off for the night. Take care all and have a great weekend.

killgoretrout

sabreen – the truth lies within…

sillylittleme

Funk, Say when!

sabreen60

you too kt

sillylittleme

Nite KT

Harleigh

True, Murph. I think the errors within Islam can only be fixed by Muslims, but how can they mobilise to deal with it?

pinkpantheroz

Night KT, I’m right behind you. Great seeing all of you again. Insha’Allah

funksands

sab…my knowledge comes from those who grew up outside of the U.S.- in the middle east, africa and asia and there Islam has not been modified as it so often is here. Jihad…sunnis vs. shias (and both against the various subsects) and both against the West is very powerful.

murphthesurf3

Night, KT. Good vox tonight

pinkpantheroz

nite funk

sillylittleme

Ad, I’ll have the thread ready by about 10am tomorrow.

killgoretrout

Night KT! Be good!

sabreen60

Night Funk. Take care!

sabreen60

Thanks Sabreen and all. You too.

killgoretrout

The Syrian muslims in Dearborn seem OK only because you never hear aout them.

Harleigh

about

Harleigh

Before you go, KT, what’s the theme?

pinkpantheroz

Well I’m out, too. Take care everyone!

sabreen60

harleigh – and that is because they are fairly assimilated

sillylittleme

nite sabreen

sillylittleme

nite Sabreen. feel better.

Harleigh

Goodnight, Sabreen. sleep the sleep of the just.

pinkpantheroz

Well,I have had a long tiring week,it was fun,bye for now POVrs!

beatlex

ad – give them time

sillylittleme

Cheerio, Beatlex.

pinkpantheroz

b- nite have a good week

sillylittleme

SLM you are right since I knew some of the early ones in the 60’s.

Harleigh

Nite beatlex

Harleigh

ad – they are like teenagers flexing their muscles…

sillylittleme

me with a gun??

Harleigh

Ad, I agree, but how can we keep the body count down? Standing by doing nothing is infinitely worse than trying to slow it down somehow. We can’t have more Ugandas or Bosnias, can we? Lord, who would want to be POTUS and make those kind of decisions? Not me, for sure.

pinkpantheroz

me with a gun?

sillylittleme

not since 67

Harleigh

I have a long list…

sillylittleme

but I never grew up either!

Harleigh

None of us here has, harleigh!

pinkpantheroz

Well I am off and running….I am going to go into to St. Louis tomorrow and see if I can be of help. More than a little worried.

murphthesurf3

murph – stay safe, and let us know how it goes

sillylittleme

Nothing like a room of stoner old farts with guns. What could possibly go wrong you ask? Well I could fall asleep on it and wake up wi sore ribs or worse.

Harleigh

Murph, check your six and stay safe.

pinkpantheroz

later murph

Harleigh

Best to all y’all.

murphthesurf3

Totally agree, Ad. We can only be at the side helping, but it is the ME states themselves who need to grow a pair and use all the considerable might they bought to actually come out and fight.

pinkpantheroz

Pink – they started it, they can end it; they don’t want to stop it…

sillylittleme

SLM, you have to ask why, as if ISIS establish a real foothold, they’ll overwhelm the ME and God help the Rulers if that happens.

pinkpantheroz

pink – long term planning is never the extremists strong suit. they never look at the consequences of their teachings of hate, fear and xenophobia

sillylittleme

Ad, you’re right, and so arises the dilemma about the US becoming independant of the ME for oil, but at what environmental cost?

pinkpantheroz

pink – if we had spent half the money on sustainable energy we could have dumped the ME a long time ago; the polluting industries won’t allow it

sillylittleme

Well I gotta turn in. thanks for everything tonite guys, pics, tunes. cool.

Harleigh

Yes, I know. I was in fairyland there for a minute! One can only hope that someone, somewhere in the ME gets a working coalition to not only fight ISIs and their ilk, but develop social and educational programs to diminish the power of the fundamentalists.

pinkpantheroz

nite harleigh

sillylittleme

I’mm off as well. Night Harleigh, Ad, SLM and all.

pinkpantheroz

nite pink

sillylittleme

well ad that leaves you and me

sillylittleme

have a good weekend ad, see ya on the music thread

sillylittleme

I am still here reading along…It has been a long week. There are a dozen of us trying to help out on the side and behind the curtains….local leaders are very worried.

murphthesurf3

murph – I hope for all of our sakes it goes well!!!

sillylittleme

SLM you say it well….all of us are in this….

murphthesurf3

Ad and SLM….there are a number of identifiable hot spots…..events like the shooting yesterday, bad rumors coming out of the grand jury, stories from elsewhere, and the big monster – a grand jury that does not recommend an indictment.

murphthesurf3

Things will boil over in the last scenario….rodney king like moment….

murphthesurf3

The DOJ minus Holder as Obama’s control of the Executive Branch slips (esp. with the Senate going GOP as I think it will) the knowing in Ferguson and associated with Ferguson will be angry and disilluioned to start with.

murphthesurf3

PRINCETON, NJ — A majority of U.S. registered voters, 53%, say they are less enthusiastic about voting than in previous elections, while 35% are more enthusiastic. This 18-percentage-point enthusiasm deficit is larger than what Gallup has measured in prior midterm election years, particularly in 2010 when there was record midterm enthusiasm. Among registered voters, 42% of Republicans and Republican-leaning independents currently say they are more enthusiastic than usual about voting, while 50% are less enthusiastic, resulting in an eight-point enthusiasm deficit. But Democrats are even less enthusiastic, with a 23-point deficit (32% more enthusiastic vs. 55% less enthusiastic). Typically, the party whose supporters have an advantage in enthusiasm has done better in midterm elections. Republicans had decided advantages in enthusiasm in 1994, 2002, and especially 2010 — years in which they won control of the House of Representatives or expanded on their existing majority. Democrats had the advantage in 2006, the year they won control of the House. Neither party had a decided advantage in 1998, a year Democrats posted minimal gains in House seats. Per Gallup.

murphthesurf3

It is Holder who went to Ferguson and without HIM, the confidence in the DOJ will lag.

murphthesurf3

We will see. You are always much more optimistic than I am and you have been much more accurate than I….so I hope you are right now.

murphthesurf3

Again….hoping the DOJ minus Holder will be a powerful talisman.

murphthesurf3

Ok, I am off to bed…..

murphthesurf3

Yes…

murphthesurf3