Vox Populi – 10-10-2014

Ahhhhhhh-CHOOO!

You there, Ad?

Just a quick question. How can I paste a photo into here. been trying

URL link???? que?

it’s in my photos folder.

I’ll giv e that a go!

I have a fever of 103 and been treating myself with massive amounts of marijuana.

LOL actually it’s just a bad cold but I told work it was ebola

http://planetpov.com/wp-admin/upload.php?item=45704 . Me in my youth in ’74!

neat!

Ad, did you see it? we talked a week or so ago as to my love of the PP!

We got 6th in the world Champs with her.

Where’s the ‘post’ command in the edit page?

hey slm!

hi harleigh, ad and pink

pink – nice sailboat

Hiya, SLM. Memories……… young, fit slim. I was almost like that, once!

so far this week has been good for progressives for voting and declining to interfere with marraige equailty also too!

Harleigh, yes, not a bad week for the white hats.

BRB caffeine time.

ad – was more excited for marriage equality win…

My wife and I vote by mail here. Signed up for it two years at a time.

harleigh – hope you get better soon, mj cures everything but the common cold passing a doobie

I hope he gets killed by a big load of dinosaur shit.

Only 3!!!!!!!!!

I would have bet 5 -4

ad – Pat Robertson is a buffoon still shilling for the lord (who he perceives himself to be)…

harleigh – my 90 year old mom votes in your county, she’ll be supporting Crist…

SLM I meant to thank you on your music esp 2 of my favs, Laura Branigan – Gloria and KC – Boogie shoes! Love those tunes.

harleigh – Laura died so young and well who doesn’t get up and boogie for kc…

I loved Laura…. almost as much as you LMAO

ad – maybe there is more behind the scene that we would know if they would deliberate in public…

harleigh – why do the good always seem to die young, but pure evil lasts forever?

I wish I had that answer.

I wanna see his face when he gets fucking swallowed by jebus’ dinosaur!! muhahaha

ad – I doubt there’ll be handshaking more like hot poker time…

hi glenn – how was your week?

roberts was one!!!

Howdy everyone!

ad – If I had to guess, I’ll go with Roberts and one of his two faces

hey glenn

Hi, glenn.

Hey Harleigh, how are you doing?

Hi PPO, how’s everything down under?

ad – saddam already has that honor

Hey AdLib, how are you?

isn’t it a poke in the eye for the Taliban that Malala got the Nobel Prize? Shows that not all Muslims are feral fundamentalists!

Pat in a 3way with saddam and hitler. perfect.

So…here in the peachtree state, the SOS has “lost” over 4000 voter registrations. Hmmm….need I mention he’s a republican?

Glenn, Spring horse racin carnival on now. At least its a change from the endless Aussie Football!

Pink – it is a poke in the eye to all suppressive governments

glenn – who would have guessed?

PPO–sounds like fun!

ad – he has many admirers

SLM–not me!

I remember those! LOLOLOL

It’s also the weekend they run the Bathurst 100 race for V* Supercars. If yoou’ve never seen this, check it out!

sorry, V8 Supercars

south park is such a smart show!!

PPO–fast horses, fast cars–any other “fast” things?

Women!

hey kt

PPO–Hmmm, I thought so!

Ad–good one–ask PPO if they’re also furious!

BTW I had my wife’s permission to say that!

Hey folks! BRB! I just checked to see if I could log in now. I had problems earlier.

Hey, KT. Glad you’re about.

pink – well that makes it alright

PPO–Good to know you check with your wife first!

BRB

BRB

sounds like ‘sporking’. It’s like spooning but involves biting followed by angry sex! LMAO

glenn – she made him say that…

More than my life’s worth not to!

harleigh…..

hehehe

Harleigh–oh my!

ad – for total liar

he is the nozzle

Ad, yes! What a useless cretin to bit POTUS’ hand

Ad–what is this with piling on the President lately?

glenn November is almost here!

Hey Murph, are you really here?

I think it’s a ploy.

glenn – when did it stop? this is just more of the same benghazi

hey murph

hey murph – are you going to the rally in ferguson this weekend?

SLM–you’re right. I meant “piling on” by Dems.

BRB

glenn – they are running for office and pulling an al gore all the way

hey kes

SLM–I truly don’t get it. There are so many good things that Dems can run on; the deficit is down, Obamacare is working; unemployment is at a level lower than mittromney said he would get it; yet Dems seem to be running away from allthat!

Hello from me in mesoure…..

hey murph

glenn – don’t get it, perhaps they too realize that the reagan revolution is about to end…

Hey, SLM and friends! Was just skimming earlier comment to catch up. How is everyone?

Ad–I would cast my vote for panetta to be nominated for Most Unsupporting in a Prostituting Role. I don’t care how much of a Clintonite you are; President Obama can’t run again, so why not support him?

Hello Planeteers!

I think Grimes should have stayed on meddage with women and HC to ditch mitch

message

hey sabreen

Hi sabreen

hi kes! lol

Hey Sabreen!

harleigh – did you see about the turtle’s interview with the most popular sports radio jock?

no

harleigh – he had a coakley/schilling moment…

Ad–maybe I”m naive, but isn’t it the Dems “responsibility” to help get the President’s approval ratings up? That way, they have a strong platform on which to run. SMH

Ad…things are not good here…..I feel like St Louis and its innter suburbs are on the edge of a precipice….there is so much anger…so much hatred…so much fear….

Rumor has it that Panetta’s job is to distance Hillary from the Prez on policy and set her up for her own run.

I would like to see mitch in front of Hope Solo giving her his conescending smarmy view on women…. just before she knocke his fuckin haid off.

Hey Kes–but where would Hillary be without President Obama nominating her for SOS?

Good question, glenn.

murph – you don’t think the weekend rally will help?

Ad–I’m disappointed in Grimes lately, too. However, she’s still miles ahead of the turtle.

I am praying to baby jebus for a Palin-Bachmann ticket. come git yer screech on.

SLM…the several rallies and marches will not help to soothe the growing sense that Wilson will be getting away with murder.

Has Hillary been out and about supporting Dems for the Nov election?

murph – can you blame them?

Kes–thanks. This is why I have hesitation about HIllary. She does seem to be like a candle in the wind, and blows whichever way she thinks the wind is blowing.

Everyday there are images of police acting as bullies, and jack booted thugs…every image reinforces the anger of our crowds.

Hey, Sabreen! I haven’t seen any coverage of Hillary doing much campaigning for Dems. I think Bill has.

glenn, I read somewhere Hillary said she may be amenable to gutting some of “Obamacare”.

sabreen – she’s being a grandmom for a bit

glenn, yesterday I read an article on Vox (the website) about Hillary’s senior thesis on Saul Alinsky. Had to wonder what ever happened to that younger, more progressive version of her?

Waht about FLipper rearing his orange face again. good or bad?

PPO–is the flipper the mittster?

Yup!

kes – money is toxicating, many have left their principles behind for green

And then label it “maturing,” SLM!

Sabreen–It wouldn’t surprise me that Hillary would gut some of Obamacare. I think my biggest issue with her is I just don’t trust her.

Evenin’ my American friends!

SLM. It’s more the power , but the green does help!

the amazing cryin cheeto rides again on benghazi ans aca gov’t shutdown. wtf?

Pink – he will always be schitt fockme to me

Murph, I think the protesters have shown great restraint. I heard one young say that this is not your father’s civil rights movement. I have been saying all along, there is no MLK, Jr. The young people really aren’t in to turning the other cheek, but I think the vast majority have really been keeping it together.

Hey, Beatlex! How are you this Friday evening?

Hey Bealex–how goes it?

hey beatlez

x

hi beatlex!

and ozzie

Hiya Beatlex!

Beatlex did you have any trouble crossing the border to get here?

Sabreen and Murph–I thought the symphony protest was one of the best protests I have ever seen!

Had a VERY long day,working out of town

glenn – loved it, so did many of the symphony’s members

That got airtime all over the place, glenn. And the orchestra was really sympathetic.

Missed that, dammit. Where can I check the protest out?

Hey AdLib! It’s been a crashy kinda day today!

And when all hell breaks loose McCulloch’s allies will point at the crowds and say….”see, these are the kind of people who produced that thug who nearly killed a good cop.”

glenn, boy do I get weird stuff. I wasn’t around last week because I was in urgent care overnight. I had heard of people getting kidney stones, but I had a stone in a salavery gland. My face looked as though I had been hit by Muhammad Ali. It was awful.

Hi Beatlex!

Harleigh,I have not been to the US in many years

oh geez

Ouch, Sabreen! How did they get that stone out?

Wow, Sab. Never heard of that, Sounds Nasty, but I hope you’re OK now.

PPO–just google Micheal Brown St. Louis symphony protest–you should get numerous hits. Of course, some other more tech savy Planeteer can probably provide with you a link.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VxR0_Zyn3yc

Sabreen–holy cow! Are you okay now?

Nah, that’s fine, glenn. I’ll check it out. It is very limiting what we get here from the US.

beatlex you’re not missing much.

Sabreen,that had to hurt,are you OK now

sabreen – hope you’re feeling better

SLM…I was at Powell Hall last week when the protest happened.

Murph–was it as awesome in person as it was on video?

murph – it must have been moving

PPO–see I told you a Planeteer would oblige. Check out the video–it’s awesome!

kes, This is gross – but you asked. The next day after being pumped with antibiotics, steriods and pain mediciene, I went back to my ENT. I had a hole on the inside of my cheek. He massaged my face and the stone popped out through the hole. I had a CT scan so he knew it was in there.

Yeah well we have to be more vigilant about young black men armed with, skittles, cigars and sandwiches ya know!

ad – justice will be served… eventually

glenn and slm…it was very well done, the orchestra responded in kind, most of the audience was respectful and somber, the conductor waved off the ushers, the few who objected were quickly hushed…IF that spirit could be bottled then I would have no fear but I do not think it can be.

Yeah, folks. I’m ok. Still taking oral antibiotics and feeling much better. That pain was awful.

Harleigh–I’m not sure about the “sandwich” defense. There was a gun found at the scene, wasn’t there? I know it could have been planted, but then again….

awesome murph

Just seen it, thank you all. WOW! What a powerful stand.

Sabreen, that’s kinda what I expected to hear. LOL! Not to worry about the gross factor. I am a nurse after all. (Or at least still have my license!)

Who here thinks that there will be no charges brought against the cop who killed Michael Brown? The prosecuter seems to be trying to avoid that

Ad….McColloch is elected by a white population….most are angry at having lost their city, or they are now in what is now the suburbs and used to be their small town…and are angry about that.

Beatlex, surely negligent homicide, at the very least?

He’ll get off by virtue of a planted throwaway gun.

Murph–I did love the expression on that one woman’s face! That was priceless! Nice to know that the orchestra was respectful.

ad – if that were the case, the list would be very long…

glenn – I hope her kids see it at some point and ridicule her

Beatlex–I don’t think there will be any charges against Wilson. However, I hope once that happens, we aren’t faced with another Rodney King riot.

I don’t know Oz,but it seems to me the prosecuter wants no charges brought.Why was the cop allowed to testify for 4 hours? That does not happen often as far as I know

Beatlex, when McColloch decided to go with a grand jury rather than charging Wilson with a crime I thought that this is not going to be good. BTW, I saw some Cardinal fans with Darren Wilson signs and later someone is making t-shirts that say “We are Darren Wilson”. I guess I will never understand the mentality.

SLM–I hope her anyone who knows her ridicules her!

Glenn,I think you are right

b – I for one would want him to answer a LOT of questions!!!!

Sabreen,I saw that,it is disgusting to me

More than half a million has been raised for Wilson….on line…where some of the most offensive racism can be found in print.

sabreen most of us will never understand bagger mentality.

murph – find them all and ship them to syria…

harleigh – hear, hear or here, here (which is more appropriate)

That’s what I’ve been saying too, SLM. If those T-baggers are itching for a fight, let ’em go to Syria.

Murph–why is that money being raised? So far Wilson hasn’t been charged with anything, has he? So, why does he need money? Doesn’t he still have his job, too? What does he need money for? WTH is wrong with these people? That last question is a rhetorical one, BTW.

kes – it would help them get some perspective on the world

glenn – spot on

It would, SLM. And maybe a visit from Malala to Ferguson would be in order too.

ad – they don

‘t want to acknowledge history

I don’t know if the young man had a gun or not. But the video I saw of him in the store showed his pants damn near around his knees. Seriously, where was he carrying a gun? He had on a thin t-shirt and his pants were hanging way down on his butt.

kes – without a doubt!!

HAHAHA those baggers in a gunfight would fold like the cowards they are in less than a day. Can you just imagine one of those fatassed doughnut cops walking in the desert.

Glenn- Go Fund Me had a defense fund on its site. It has now shut down but not before a lot of money was raised.

‘Zactly, Harleigh! They would be crying for their momma’s within 48 hours.

Murph–so does Wilson get to keep all the money?

Ad….Custer lost but the white settlers won and native Americans were the big losers in the end.

kes – I don’t think it will take that long

Right, AdLib. Ferguson is 3rd world. Tribal white folks.

Murph–IOW–shoot an unarmed black teenager–become rich!

Glenn….the money goes to a fund controlled by his friends.

ad – but for them that was justified

Murph–okay, I’ll bite. What are the friends doing with the money? Not that I feel sorry for any of the fools who donated, but what is happening with the money? Show me the money!

Harleigh, make no mistake there are plenty of guns in black communities. That’s why I said I think the protesters – especially the young ones have used a great amount of restraint.

Glenn….that question is one of the reasons the appeal ended…..

murph – who shut it down?

Murph–ahhh–so no one knows, right?

glenn, they’re probably donating a chunk of it to the NRA.

Kes–and sending flag pins to the donors, because nothing says “patriot” like a flag pin!

Ad….true, but the power differential is very significant.

A flag pin and an AR-15 — makes yuh a real ‘Murrikan.

glenn – a made in china flagpin

kes, unless you’re black, then you’re an urban terrorist

Right, PPO. A danger to society.

Murph–referring to Sabreen’s post that there are plenty of guns in black communities–does MO have an “open carry” law? As we all know, there’s nothing like black people openly carrying guns that would get those “open cary” laws changed!

ad/glenn – couldn’t agree more

Glenn…Mo. has open carry and it has concealed carry with permit.

Point to ponder. What if someone applied to build a mosque in Ferguson. the poor racists would die from whiplash looking over their shoulders so much!

Speaking of open carry — there was a case of a 21 year-old guy open carrying. And another guy decided “Hey, I like your gun,” and robbed him of it at gunpoint. It would have been funny if it hadn’t been so pathetic.

Ad–and don’t forget that there is absolutely NO outrage at the 19 beheadings conducted by Saudi Arabia in the past year. SA is our ally, dontcha know? And, I know from personal experience, from living in Saudi Arabia, that those beheadings are conducted in the main square in the towns, and held on the holy day, Friday.

I was glad to see that Eric Holder ordered an investigation into policing in America.I just hope it bears fruit.It is disgusting what goes on now in many places>we have crime here in Canada,and problems with policing too.But at least we don’t have many shootings

Glenn! great point

Kes–I read that, too about the guy being robbed. Oh well!

So true, AdLib. Some of those Ferguson white thugs would fit right in with the ISIS gangs. Just swap out those white hoods for black ones.

Murph–weren’t you saying something last week about the voter registration in MO? Is that still happening?

Glenn…there have been a number of stories about registration. I find the reporting contradictory.

Ad–I guess that’s the difference, although if you’re the one being beheaded, might not mean so much to you.

I don’t see any good coming out of these bombings of ISIS.I know the President had to do something,but more bombs won’t help IMO

Well kids, I’m going to be taking the Fave to the local apple festival tomorrow, so I’ll have to call it a day early tonight. If you wonder where all the bees in America have gone, they’ll be there. Trying to drink your apple cider at the same time you are. Fun! Anyway — have a great weekend all!

Well, beatlex, if nothing else, it’s helping the economy, spending a million bucks a pop to clobber a Toyota truck.

c I think if you want to have a real bombing campaign then level all of their mosques on the same day when they all have that whackdoodle screecher yelling from the top of a tower.

Beatlex–the ISIS situation is one of those “damned if you do; damned if you don’t.” I still think it should be the MIddle Eastern countries bombing ISIS, though, not the US. I think the US finally has to stand up and say, “Enough”. If you want these terrorist groups to end, you take care of it!

nite kes

Kes–have fun! G’night.

G’nite, Kes.

nite kes

I think if you’re a badass show your face. The klan/ISIS are cowards. And I think ISIS is in for the money. I read that they pay $1000 per/person to join. Plus they make $$$ off the oil fields. Yeah they many religious zealots, but I think money trumps everything.

Oz,really,ISIS has changed their tactics,such as not traveling in convoys,and they are still on the move

Goodnight Kes!

BRB folks

Glenn,I agree,the countries affected should be doing the fighting

Beatlex, IMO it’s just a matter of time before ISIS will be of little significance. History has shown that violent thugs lose in the end. ME countries are going to get very tired of ISIS.

Hey folks! Like McArthur, I have returned!

Sabreen,until the next group of bogeymen

Good night, kes. Enjoy the weekend and have a great week.

Hiya, KT!

KT!!

Hey Homie! Hello, goodbye!

abreen and Beatlex…whether it is ISIS or some other body, the fires of fundamental, jihadist Islam are burning too hot.

welcome back honored guest!

Hey Sabreen and B! And Harleigh!

hey kt

how’s mom?

What’s up slm. You’re my temporary Homie now!

Beatlex, Our media is doing everything in it’s power to make us afraid of ISIS and Ebola. The media wants us afraid.

murph – so agree, that is what has been taught for the last couple of decades

Murph,for hundreds of years.If there was no oil in the ME,they would have been left alone to fight their tribal wars

kt – how’s the cape

AdLib,Penetta! whar a back stabber,all to sell books

Just great slm! We’ve had some really great days. The leaves are almost turned.

kt – I’m going out to take some pics tomorrow. I have a few pond shots that I drove by yesterday, beautiful

beatlex- oil, the Suez, Israel, Iran….the ME of the 19th and early 20th century is long, long gone

True Murph

Hey funk!

True Murph,what a frigging mess over there!

Hi everyone!

THE FUNKSTER!

What up X?

Bill Maher and Sam Harris are being raked over the coals by some emo-progs because they told the truth about Islam.

Hi funk…I have your article book marked for reading – no time of lat

It’s true countries in the ME fought each other. Just like countries in Europe fought each other. The West didin’t help in the ME with their divide and conquer routine. In addition, too many Muslims (just like those in this country) sit on their hands and refuse to get involved when they see wrong being done.

Its okay Murph. It’ll still be there.

Hi Funk!

I have mixed feelings about the Harris/Maher issue.

Hi Sabreen

Funk,few beers,chat with you guys,chilling after a tough week

Hey KT–how’s your mom?

How’ve you been?

Hey Funk!

How so funk?

X, thanks for reminding me.

She’s doing OK glenn. Thanks for asking.

Funk, say more please.

Funk, There are 1 billion Muslims in the world. No way can you lump them all together.

LOL Funk!

KT, not sure. I’ve heard this argument from both of them time and time again. I keep wanting to ask why they think Asians, Arabs, Persians and Africans are so susceptible to radical Islam

Ad–I agree. ISIS is just another way to attack Obama. Not to mention to tie them to immigration, Benghazi, the IRS, and any other dumb thing the rw nut jobs can come up with!

hey funk

Hey SLM

sabreen – agree

Hi Ad.

I think they just tell it like it is about some aspects of Islam. They never said all Muslims were terrorists or fanatics. They basically talk about the oppression of women and gays and anybody that critisizes their religion.

Funk–I’m with you about the mixed feelings. I think Reza Aslan brings up good points. As for Muslims in the US sitting on their hands, I think they are protesting these fundamentalists, they just don’t get any press. In addition, there are many Christians in this country sitting on their hands regarding the fundamentalists here!

KT, now Christians are starting to feel what the Incas and Aztecs felt when faced with Christianity.

Bomb Dearborn! LOL

pink – and they don’t like it one bit

The big problem with Islam is they have no central authority. All the factions and sects can interpret the Quran any way they choose. That’s a problem.

The standard of living in the ME is for the most part very low.That sows a lot of resentment.And they are lashing out at America and other western nations for robbing them of their oil wealth.among other things

Agree, KT. I wonder if there are as many versions of the Koran as there are Bibles.

KT, Where’s the difference. Christian fundamentalist hate gays, thinks everyone should believe as they do and believe women should be subservient.

I don’t go back too in history regarding the crimes of other religions. I stick to the present because that’s what is really relevant now.

Its true that if Sam and Bill had burned a Koran on the air that night that thousands would have died in protests around the world and they would have lived in hiding for the next several years. I admit it. I think the bigger story is why that is politically possible. The raping and pillaging of SE Asia, N. Africa and the Middle East by succession of imperialists, invaders, and strongmen led to radical islamists taking and holding political power.

Beatlex–It’s not the Americans robbing them of their wealth–it’s their own damn leades. Most of the leaders and their followers live very well.

kt – that could be said of any religion, except for catholicism

Beatlex–leaders in the ME, I mean.

This really is a political problem primarily in its heart rather than a religious one. And I am the last guy to excuse religion for anything.

I respect anyones right to worship what ever they want.But IMO religion is BS that has caused more people to die than any other cause

Good one, Sabreen!

Amen X. 😉

b – start of every war in history…

The difference Sabreen is that Christians don’t kill the offenders of their religious views. Some of the fanatics probably would if they could get away with it, but by comparison, the killings occur on a far greater scale within the Islamic religion.

ad – I side with Ben, he was trying to get them to hear that broadbrush painting is wrong

Ad, I think you are spot on. Tell me that extremists in this country would act exactly the same if the political culture allowed and encouraged behavior like this against non-believers

With Islam, as with current GOPTP politics, religion and faith are interconnected. Bad for all, is my opinion

Glenn,I am talking about a 100 years ago when western powers moved into the region to take oil,which they did

kt – I beg to differ..

Sorry, I meant politics and faith

Islam is more violent than any other religion I know of. I’m talking present day.

slm, how so?

You all do realize that all the buy-bull books (including Korans) that get referenced were supposedly originally ‘written’ thousands and thousands of years ago way before Anglo-Saxons even existed, by non-white Middle Eastern brown men in now dead languages and that those were not their real original names right? Matt, Mark, Luke, John and Zeke?! Yeah right. More like Abdul, Habib or Omar. Most were wandering nomadic herdsmen with even less education than a 4 year old kid in Mississippi. Those ‘original’ storybooks were written by hand in a now dead language and transcribed and rewritten and re-interpreted by hand into other now dead languages dozens of times for dozens of different religions/sects or monestaries over the past 5,000 or so years resulting in massive disinformation to control the populations of those times. I got ‘THE WORD’ from a burning bush… or Hey! A talking snake told me…. blah blah blah. Thanks for sharing your dogma though. All religions are businesses and should be taxed.

KT, I don’t think it’s the Qu’ran that’s the problem. It’s Hadith (sayings of the Prophet). There is suppose to authentic Hadith and false. Much of it cultural. For instance, there is nothing in the Qu’ran that says a woman must be completely covered except for her eyes. Nor is there anything that says a woman can’t be educated. These are things that men have decided on their own.

KT, sadly so, because the ME leaders didn’t spend their oil money on social or educational programs. They’re not wired like that.

KT,they mete out barbaric punishments and killings for sure

Great point PPO!

kt – Because we can’t just look at recent history, this is the culmination of millenia of history

ad – not criticizing it, but being absolutist

So why wasn’t Islam used in this radical way in the past? This is fairly recent occurrence historically speaking

Here’s what Reza Aslan had to say about Maher’s criticism of Islam: And I would say that the other thing that’s a little bit different is that the criticism of Islam has really crossed the line into what can only be described as frank bigotry. When he starts decrying how many babies born in Europe are named Mohammad, says things about Muslims in America “bringing that desert stuff into our world” — that is no longer just simple criticism of religious doctrine or practice. That’s a very specifically targeted animosity towards a particular group of people. You don’t see him saying things like that about other religious groups — though, again, in his defense, to him the problem is religion in general.

Absolutely NOY Ad. I think Affleck let his ego get the best of him. He was trying to show us he was the biggest “liberal,” in the room. I thought his argument was childish and a bit rude.

ad – Maher and Sam were being absolutist too

Maher and Harris have criticized Christianity, plenty.

funk – wahabbi teachings, recent (couple of decades) phenom

Beatlex, they are stuck in the strict, straight-down-the-liine word for word teachings of the Koran, which keeps them in the Middle Ages. Want to know what Christians did in those days? Well, keep checking the Fundamentalist oiks in the South and find out.

Jebus rode a dinosaur with Alley Oop! word!

What do you all think of Aslan’s statement?

KT, Christians left this country and went to Uganda and encouraged to hold “kill the gays” there. No, American Christians didn’t do the actual killing, but they encouraged it.

SLM, okay so now we’re on to something. If muslims were able to avoid this level of radicalism for 2000 years, why now?

funk – ask the saudis

Saudi Arabia is a barbaric state,but they ARE America’s barbaric state

Harleigh:

yep beatlex

b – barbarians were socialists, the romans were the real evil people

I agree SLM. I really have a problem with broadbrushing – in all areas.

funk, Social media is spreading the fundamentalist crap like no other time in the world

Ad, Maher and Harris never said all Muslims were murderous extremists. Although, that’s what many people are claiming. I watched that episode and Maher and Harris were using facts.

PPO, that’s a good point.

funk – nice!!

Good one Harleigh!

Sorry if that offends anyone. I just think its a nifty picture

That explains it all Funk in one photo! You da man! LOL

KT–well that picture certainly covers all the bases, doesn’t it? Or, at least the Christian ones.

sabreen – that’s always a part of the problem in any conflict

There is some nasty punishment in the Old Testament, but most sane people don’t execute those punishments and realize that times have changed.

I just think the argument too often comes dangerously close to saying that Arabs and Persians et. al are somehow especially “susceptible” to the corrupting influence of Islam

That I don’t want to hear.

funk – agree

Kt, because of education and refinement of living mores which have not been the case in the ME, due to the tribalism.

What are you referring to funk?

Pretty sure ISIS will not get their world caliphate.

There was a song about it in the early 60’s, Alley Oop by the Hollywood argyles. But i don’t know how to post it.

Funk, one could also say that some Americans are somehow especially “susceptible” to the corrupting influence of Christianity.

Islam is used like this because it has become politically acceptable to use radicalism as a tool of statecraft

The tribalism springs from different interpretations of the Quran and the Haddith.

harleigh –

Glenn, I think its more like “white people are more susceptible to radical Chrisitanity”. Make sense?

KT, sounding very familiar with Christianity these days, isn’t it?

Did everyone see that now Kaintuck may not pay for roads to the creationist museum!?

glenn – agree, funk – not as white as you think it is

Funk–okay, I’ll buy that. And add, “uneducated” to the white people.

pink – spot on

harleigh – they can ride their dinos there

Just to be clear and on the record….I am a Christian Humanist….Christian humanism emphasizes the humanity of Jesus, his social teachings and his propensity to synthesize human spirituality and materialism. It regards humanist principles like universal human dignity and individual freedom and the primacy of human happiness as essential and principal components of, or at least compatible with, the teachings of Jesus. Christian humanism can be perceived as a philosophical union of Christian ethics and humanist principles. I regard Yehua bar Yusef bin Nazrit and the Siddartha Gautama, the Buddha….as the principle sources of human philosohpical enlightenment. I do not buy the mythology that surrounds either one. Muhammad is not in the same category with them.

SLM you are awesome, Gloria, Boogey shoes and now Alley Oop! Stoned and in luv! LMAO

Extreme religious ideology is only going to be used when the political powers allow it.

Harleigh–and is it the creationist museum that may go broke because they can’t get tax exempt status? Seems if they have to pay taxes, they can’t afford to be in business. Damn that Obama!

True PPO. But Christians don’t cut off heads and shoot young school girls for trying to get an education. And I know not all Muslims are included in the violent extremist groups.

Maher and Harris condemn all religions.

KT, you have a point, but parallels can be drawn with the treatment of blacks in the US.

harleigh –

AdLib! Spot on!

brb

Ad, yes, maybe we’re trying too hard to get points across.

PPO, the treatment of blacks in the US is not religion based.

Okay folks, it’s approaching the midnight hour here; time for me to say goodnight. Take care everyone; I think this discussion tonight is very thought-provoking and I hate to leave. I’ll check it out tomorrow afternoon after soccer. ‘Night, all!

kt – isn’t it?

nite glenn – have a great week

No slm, it isn’t. Nowhere in either testament does it condemn black people.

Sleep well glenn.

Night Glenn

Thanks, Ad

kt – what it says and how it is interpreted are two different things

You know, we are not that far removed from violent Christians in this country. Christians were still hanging black people in the 30’s and 40’s. And/or killing them in anyway they chose. No way did all Christians partake of these horrific acts. But many came out to watch a good ole hanging. Perhaps Muslims will see that the violences committed by some is causing the world to condemn them all.

OH, I forgot about the KKK. They do call themselves Christians.

Humanity has been warring with each other since we came on the scene,it started out over territorry,and has been evolving ever since.There will always be war as long as humans are in existence.And the way things are going…

But the KKK hates anybody who isn’t a WASP.

Someone,sometime,somewhere will drop a nuke sooner or later

B, that’s because man is an aggressive animal.

Good night glenn. Take care.

nite glenn!

Evolution hasn’t taken away all of our primal instincts.

See you Glenn!

SLM-

Murph, do you find more people gravitating to your particular brand of Christianity now? Or are the mega-churches still in control in your part of the world?

KT,we are a warring species IMO

Damned opposable thumbs and frontal lobes

We are a greedy species too.

agree with b, funk and kt

But the KKK didn’t hang everybody who wasn’t a WASP. And the KKK is just one white supremist group who bases their ideology in Christianity.

Funk…there are not many mega here…lots of little churches and the tv ministers….fundamentalism dominates.

Sadly true Sabreen.

Ah

sabreen – does that excuse their behavior?

Westboro is way off the wall along with the phony hicks on Duck Dumbasses.

Funk…I am at home in the Episcopal Church which has a long tradition of intellectualism which is where Christian Humanism finds its natural home.

Murph, do you see young people trending back into your church? Or not so much?

SLM, I am not excusing violence from anyone. I’m only saying that no ones hands are clean when it comes to religion.

funk….the young are less and less churched.

Ad, I would say that, in comparison, it was a relatively small number of murderous Christians. Once again though, I think the main argument pertains to the present.

Ad, it was 100 short years ago that we raped, pillaged and tortured our way through the entire population of the Phillipines in the name of the White God

Maher and Harris were talking about modern day Islam.

Murph – I am a confirmed Episcopal since 1961! Have not ever been back.

Aslan did make some good points about economic advantages in the West.

Murph, that’s kind of what I thought. I do see this in my friends that are in their 30’s that they tend to gravitate toward the universalist churches in the area.

Harleigh…I chose the Episcopal Church as a 50 year old

Harly-LOL

smart harleigh

My church is Nature. This includes everything.

The young who are churched tend to move to the philosophical or the fundamental…one side or the other

Of course in my 10 year-old 5th grade class they speak 12 different languages, my experience may not be representative of other’s.

KT, Here’s where I have a problem. Millions of my people died during the Atlantic slave trade. These were Christians who were slave traders. It’s really hard to pretend that I will never know my roots. Just as Jewish people say never forget. It’s pretty hard for black folks to forget. As I said, I don’t see clean hands regardless of where I look.

Murph, true.

I thinnk the major problem of fundamentalists of all stripes is that they have not been educated enough to avoid the seduction of fundamentalism anywhere.

No argument here Sabreen. My argument concerns the present.

Great point PPO. That’s why the baggers hate education so much.

I think the major problem of fundamentalists is that they typically have little education, little freedom, little political power, little hope, little upward mobility, little control over their own own future. Th

Again Ad, my argument concerns the present day.

Pink – they have been indoctrinated not taught

This breeds people susceptible to radical religious extremism

AD the dark ages were kinda bleak too, except for Robin Hood of course.

funk – bingo

I totally agree, funk, and SLM

Laughing here Harly!

hehehe

KT, Until Muslims who oppose violence stand up and speak out, change will not happen. In this country, not until whites in other parts of the country saw dogs, water cannons, etc. put upon blacks did they feel a sense of shame and outrage.

I think the extremists in the Islamic religion are their own worst enemies. Their violence and murderous ways will increase moderate Muslims.

We need a chuckle right now. Let’s talk about Mitt Romney!

How about Sarah “Do you know who I am?” Palin.

pink – schitt fockme lookin’ for a comeback that is funny

KT, someone said the other day that radical Christianity was suppressed only when it become so awful, so oppressive that people simply couldn’t take it anymore and overthrew f it

I will just be flat out amazed if Myth’s wife Money Boo Boo allows him back into the clown car.

Here is the problem for Islam- the principle jihad is at its core. Modern Islam has tried to reshape this as Itajihad, the inner struggle, but for most Muslims the idea of external struggle against non believers (Muslims and Infidels alike)is the organizing principle with the f aith.

KT, I’d love to have been there to yell: ” Hey, there’s some broad here who doesn’t know who she is”!

The problem moderate Muslims face today is retribution from the nut bags.

harleigh – especially if he has to put up more of his own money…

“Every time I look at I can’t understand, why you let the things you did get so out of hand…”

Me too PPO! I would have said “Yeah, we know who you are, that’s the problem!

funk –

I think its funny my wife has Jesus Christ Superstar blaring in the background while I talking you guys

Murph, true.

LOL Funk, did you drop some acid for the occasion?

He’s everywhere funk, he’s everywhere!

Harleigh, my 10 year old doesn’t like me to put him to bed if I’m on acid.

funk, I’m listening to ” honey, I keep missing you, but my aim is gettin’ better!”

Murph, I sat in a Masjid for 10 years. I was never taught about jihad. Nor was I taught to hate “infidels”. BTW, I was born Baptist. Now I don’t belong to any organized religion.

Tammie Davis or Havoc51 version?

Funk I can’t imagine why! MOM!! Dad’s fuckin rambling again!!! wahahaha

funk, that’s because the bed keeps moving.

Sabreen!

Sabreen…where was the Masjid?

Harleigh he’s such a buzzkill

KT that’s funny

Ah Kids….

Sabreen, you are such an intriguing person

Murph, Washington DC

ad- excellent point

Well said, Ad.

Ad, I think it’s good to speak out about the ugly side of Islam. The ugly side of any thing as powerful as religion.

Ad….Christianity, as a relgious principle, was experience most clearly by the Christian churches of the first three centuries and then captured by the Roman ruling class.

Ahh Funk I’ve been on several paths searching for truth.

Sabreen, I’m going to have to buy you a couple of cocktails one of these days…

Well folks, I’m off for the night. Take care all and have a great weekend.

sabreen – the truth lies within…

Funk, Say when!

you too kt

Nite KT

True, Murph. I think the errors within Islam can only be fixed by Muslims, but how can they mobilise to deal with it?

Night KT, I’m right behind you. Great seeing all of you again. Insha’Allah

sab…my knowledge comes from those who grew up outside of the U.S.- in the middle east, africa and asia and there Islam has not been modified as it so often is here. Jihad…sunnis vs. shias (and both against the various subsects) and both against the West is very powerful.

Night, KT. Good vox tonight

nite funk

Ad, I’ll have the thread ready by about 10am tomorrow.

Night KT! Be good!

Night Funk. Take care!

Thanks Sabreen and all. You too.

The Syrian muslims in Dearborn seem OK only because you never hear aout them.

about

Before you go, KT, what’s the theme?

Well I’m out, too. Take care everyone!

harleigh – and that is because they are fairly assimilated

nite sabreen

nite Sabreen. feel better.

Goodnight, Sabreen. sleep the sleep of the just.

Well,I have had a long tiring week,it was fun,bye for now POVrs!

ad – give them time

Cheerio, Beatlex.

b- nite have a good week

SLM you are right since I knew some of the early ones in the 60’s.

Nite beatlex

ad – they are like teenagers flexing their muscles…

me with a gun??

Ad, I agree, but how can we keep the body count down? Standing by doing nothing is infinitely worse than trying to slow it down somehow. We can’t have more Ugandas or Bosnias, can we? Lord, who would want to be POTUS and make those kind of decisions? Not me, for sure.

me with a gun?

not since 67

I have a long list…

but I never grew up either!

None of us here has, harleigh!

Well I am off and running….I am going to go into to St. Louis tomorrow and see if I can be of help. More than a little worried.

murph – stay safe, and let us know how it goes

Nothing like a room of stoner old farts with guns. What could possibly go wrong you ask? Well I could fall asleep on it and wake up wi sore ribs or worse.

Murph, check your six and stay safe.

later murph

Best to all y’all.

Totally agree, Ad. We can only be at the side helping, but it is the ME states themselves who need to grow a pair and use all the considerable might they bought to actually come out and fight.

Pink – they started it, they can end it; they don’t want to stop it…

SLM, you have to ask why, as if ISIS establish a real foothold, they’ll overwhelm the ME and God help the Rulers if that happens.

pink – long term planning is never the extremists strong suit. they never look at the consequences of their teachings of hate, fear and xenophobia

Ad, you’re right, and so arises the dilemma about the US becoming independant of the ME for oil, but at what environmental cost?

pink – if we had spent half the money on sustainable energy we could have dumped the ME a long time ago; the polluting industries won’t allow it

Well I gotta turn in. thanks for everything tonite guys, pics, tunes. cool.

Yes, I know. I was in fairyland there for a minute! One can only hope that someone, somewhere in the ME gets a working coalition to not only fight ISIs and their ilk, but develop social and educational programs to diminish the power of the fundamentalists.

nite harleigh

I’mm off as well. Night Harleigh, Ad, SLM and all.

nite pink

well ad that leaves you and me

have a good weekend ad, see ya on the music thread

I am still here reading along…It has been a long week. There are a dozen of us trying to help out on the side and behind the curtains….local leaders are very worried.

murph – I hope for all of our sakes it goes well!!!

SLM you say it well….all of us are in this….

Ad and SLM….there are a number of identifiable hot spots…..events like the shooting yesterday, bad rumors coming out of the grand jury, stories from elsewhere, and the big monster – a grand jury that does not recommend an indictment.

Things will boil over in the last scenario….rodney king like moment….

The DOJ minus Holder as Obama’s control of the Executive Branch slips (esp. with the Senate going GOP as I think it will) the knowing in Ferguson and associated with Ferguson will be angry and disilluioned to start with.

PRINCETON, NJ — A majority of U.S. registered voters, 53%, say they are less enthusiastic about voting than in previous elections, while 35% are more enthusiastic. This 18-percentage-point enthusiasm deficit is larger than what Gallup has measured in prior midterm election years, particularly in 2010 when there was record midterm enthusiasm. Among registered voters, 42% of Republicans and Republican-leaning independents currently say they are more enthusiastic than usual about voting, while 50% are less enthusiastic, resulting in an eight-point enthusiasm deficit. But Democrats are even less enthusiastic, with a 23-point deficit (32% more enthusiastic vs. 55% less enthusiastic). Typically, the party whose supporters have an advantage in enthusiasm has done better in midterm elections. Republicans had decided advantages in enthusiasm in 1994, 2002, and especially 2010 — years in which they won control of the House of Representatives or expanded on their existing majority. Democrats had the advantage in 2006, the year they won control of the House. Neither party had a decided advantage in 1998, a year Democrats posted minimal gains in House seats. Per Gallup.

It is Holder who went to Ferguson and without HIM, the confidence in the DOJ will lag.

We will see. You are always much more optimistic than I am and you have been much more accurate than I….so I hope you are right now.

Again….hoping the DOJ minus Holder will be a powerful talisman.

Ok, I am off to bed…..

Yes…