Vox Populi, our weekly live chat about the week’s events begins tonight at 7:00pm PDT. Hope to see you then!
AdLib4 hours ago
Hey Murph!
AdLib2 hours ago
Here on my own! OH! There’s AD……OK
MurphTheSurf3
2 hours ago
TW is locked out, BRB!
AdLib2 hours ago
Let TW IN!
MurphTheSurf3
2 hours ago
BRB
MurphTheSurf3
2 hours ago
Hope he can get in now.
AdLib2 hours ago
There you are TW!
AdLib2 hours ago
I’m here I’m here.
twilson117
2 hours ago
Welcome back, TW!
AdLib2 hours ago
Hello everyone
twilson117
2 hours ago
It’s good to be back lots to discuss
twilson117
2 hours ago
What happen to Murph??
twilson117
2 hours ago
Murph wil BRB.
AdLib2 hours ago
Ok good
twilson117
2 hours ago
So…looks like that recording of Trump is the nail in his coffin.
AdLib2 hours ago
Well it looks like we dodged another bullet on the debt ceiling
twilson117
2 hours ago
It blows up all of his defenses.
AdLib2 hours ago
Yep, I was pretty sure there would be a deal, the billionaire plutocrats who own the GOP wouldn’t allow for a debt default. Wonder if that’s why McCarthy had so little bargaining power.
AdLib2 hours ago
Yeah that’s all they’re talking about on MSNBC but there is sense of concern in their voices because the supposed report can’t be found and the talking heads on MSNBC seem to feel that’s needed for the slam dunck.
twilson117
2 hours ago
And fearful of having the MAGAs turn on him, McCarthy then says he’s going to have a committee on cutting SS and Medicare…you know, the things they all called Biden a liar for saying they would.
AdLib2 hours ago
Now I heard that Jim Jordan wants to open another investigation into Hillary
twilson117
2 hours ago
Kevin is all hat and no cattle he isn’t going to touch SS and Medicare, he knows better not to mess with old people.
twilson117
2 hours ago
TW – I saw some of those pundits on MSNBC and have to say, they’re being drama queens. They don’t need to find the doc, I’m sure there’s proof it existed but what matters is Trump admitting they were still classified, blowing up his remaining defense that he automatically de-classified secrets.
AdLib2 hours ago
Ok….I am caught up.
MurphTheSurf3
2 hours ago
Hey Murph how you been?
twilson117
2 hours ago
It’s so pathetic, Trump is going down for his crimes so the Repubs are grasping at lies to try and portray Dems as criminal, whether the bogus investigation into Biden, trying to re-open non-existent charges against Hillary, it’s just lame.
AdLib2 hours ago
Ad they have forgotten how to govern all they want to do is host on Newsmax
twilson117
2 hours ago
I think we see in Biden the benefit of having a very experienced legislator at the national level in the WH….and I think he crafted things such that McCarthy was put into a position where all he had to do was to get moderate support from what passes as moderate on the right. Not- despite the threats…no move to have that “vote of confidence” that McCarthy was forced to accept….why? cannot get enough votes for him to lose the vote of confidence (maybe with some Dem help…..)
MurphTheSurf3
2 hours ago
TW…doing ok….with the co-op behind me life is simpler.
MurphTheSurf3
2 hours ago
S. Rule had Bobert on her show and said during break asked how she could get a gig like Rule has on MSNBC.
twilson117
2 hours ago
TW – Of course not, McCarthy knows Biden and the Senate would never agree to cutting SS and Medicare and that if Repubs vote to do so in The House, they will get crushed even more in 2024. Kevin is trying to reassure the MAGAs that he’s on their side. But only idiots would believe that after he caved to reality on the debt ceiling.
AdLib2 hours ago
I have planted large ornamental garden….and it looks very nice.
MurphTheSurf3
2 hours ago
TW – All they can do is guest host on Newsmax and lie.
AdLib2 hours ago
Murph I know that was hard for you, but we’re all at the point were we need life to be simple.
twilson117
2 hours ago
TW….without having folks ready to take cup the reins, the co-op’s demise was only a matter of time. In my mid-70’s- robust but still….
MurphTheSurf3
2 hours ago
Murph – Biden knows how to do the job of governing and has been one of the most successful Dem presidents in history. McCarthy is just a puppet and while MAGAs kick him around in The House, he bows to the plutocrats who own the GOP.
AdLib2 hours ago
Frankly…..it will be good not to be a lightning rod
MurphTheSurf3
2 hours ago
Murph you deserve a break so enjoy your garden and free time. Do some reading writing and the sun rises and sunsets. And just for fun a little poltiicking. 
twilson117
2 hours ago
Ad….I agree with your assessment of Biden. I think Biden played McCarthy very skillfully offering him enough support to neuter any threat of a no confidence vote. McCarthy will continue to make noise but he seems to be a useful tool
MurphTheSurf3
2 hours ago
TW…good advice…wise.
MurphTheSurf3
2 hours ago
TW – Boebert can’t even host her family, let alone a tv show.
AdLib2 hours ago
Murph just ask your friends simple logical questions you know they can’t ask and sit back and enjoy the bemuse look on their faces.
twilson117
2 hours ago
Murph – New chapters in life can be surprisingly satisfying.
AdLib2 hours ago
Murph meant to say answer
twilson117
2 hours ago
Ad I have old socks that are smarter than Bobert.
twilson117
2 hours ago
Ad…boebert is divorcing her husband but from what I am reading she did it to get the jump on his doing the same…..and the oldest son….he is appears to be backing dad….
MurphTheSurf3
2 hours ago
Murph – I think Biden just kept telling McCarthy that there was no way he could get enough Dem votes in The House to pass a bill if anything really awful was in it. And the oligarchs who own the GOP surely ordered McCarthy to make a deal and not allow the debt ceiling to not be raised.
AdLib2 hours ago
Ad just saw the MTG is not going to release the security footage she said something about it might harm security. Now that’s funny coming from that dimwit.
twilson117
2 hours ago
TW – I have shoes that would make better parents than Boebert.
AdLib2 hours ago
Ad….I think that what you say is so…..I add to it that Biden also laid out a scenario in which he did not face the no confidence gambit.
MurphTheSurf3
2 hours ago
I read that the 17 year old son, Chris?, has publicly criticized mom for using him and his three brothers as “props”
MurphTheSurf3
2 hours ago
Bobert believes she is some sort of star
twilson117
2 hours ago
Murph – Boebert is a disaster in her own life, she is a joke as a pol and I think she’ll lose to the Dem running against her in 2024. Then she’ll have plenty of time to have someone teach her how to spell GED.
AdLib2 hours ago
MTG and the footage….I am thinking that no matter how hard they try it may be becoming clear that those tapes cannot be made to mitigate the horror that Trump unleashed.
MurphTheSurf3
2 hours ago
Wow if her kids are turning on her she is in deep you know what.
twilson117
2 hours ago
TW – Because of course, there is nothing in the 1/6 tapes that MTG can use to prove her lies about it.
AdLib2 hours ago
Ad Right
twilson117
2 hours ago
Ad….in 24…..the stories now coming out of the family will be more abundant…..she was making a scene in a hallway in DC with reporters yesterday and someone walked by and barked at her “say hello to your hubby!”
MurphTheSurf3
2 hours ago
Murph – Good point, Biden could at least infer that if McCarthy didn’t want to be thrown out of the Speaker chair, he could deliver enough Dems to keep him in…if he agreed to an acceptable deal.
AdLib2 hours ago
Murph – I didn’t see that yet but when your own kids are attacking you publicly, you’ve probably already lost re-election. Even extreme MAGAs seem bored with Boebert.
AdLib2 hours ago
Murph is that right?? I know I’m not suppose to take pleasure in the trials and tribulations of someone having problems, but in the case of Bobert the hell with Christian Doctrine.
twilson117
2 hours ago
Ad….that is how a number of political pundits I read see it. AND…..note how Biden started with large group of “deal makers” and after 5 days of confusion suggested that more compact group would have a chance of getting something done…so he “iced” most of those who were there at first and went with a tight group….just as he did in getting Obama to stop the giant, televised Obamacare talks.
MurphTheSurf3
2 hours ago
Murph – Boebert was already a mess but this and her affair with the bozo she’s with now has hurt her and probably pissed off her kids. She’s self-destructing. And MTG seems to be toppling over a bit too.
AdLib2 hours ago
TW….to Hell with Christine Doctrine….how pithy.
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
Murph Uncle Joe knows what he’s doing, I don’t think there is anything he hasn’t seen
twilson117
an hour ago
Murph – Very interesting and very smart of Biden and his team. You can’t work things out with too many people in the room, he orchestrated this very smartly. And unlike Trump and McConnell, he can fall down and get back up right away.
AdLiban hour ago
So…Trump is going to jail now? Never seen so many pundits be so confident about his impending indictment, conviction and imprisonment.
AdLiban hour ago
I was at my bar today and one of the resident jackasses was crowing about Biden fall…..hysterically two of his “pals” warned him that someone who was “in the bag” as often as he is should be careful to attack someone who fell given how much time spends on the ground.
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
And if Trump is found guilty of violating the Espionage Act, it will be near automatic to have the court invoke the 14th Amendment and declare Trump ineligible to run for office…even if it’s next year.
AdLiban hour ago
I know Fox talked about all day
twilson117
an hour ago
Notice how the GOP is “flooding the zone” with a parade of “candidates” who appear to be turning their guns on DT softly but surely.
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
Murph now that is funny.
twilson117
an hour ago
I love Biden’s line “I was sandbagged!”
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
Murph – That’s pretty funny! And as if no one except old men fall. McConnell fell and had to take weeks to recover. Didn’t hear Repubs talking about that.
AdLiban hour ago
Murph they are doing their best to try and get rid of Trump, but he’s the bad penny he just keeps coming back.
twilson117
an hour ago
TW….I agree with you…bad penny but I see him as more and more tarnished…still commanding the crazy right but unable to move beyond that…..no winner there.
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
Murph – Yes but Trump keeps pushing the RNC to make up new rules to exclude Christie from debates so he can’t be attacked by Christie in them. We’ll see what happens but I think all of those running are doing so praying that Trump is imprisoned and they can just step into his shoes. Little do they know that MAGAs will just not vote for any of them, including DuhSantos.
AdLiban hour ago
Ad….I accept your reading of the soggy field of possible Trump replacements.
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
Murph – Yep, that was smart and clever of Biden, self-deprication and joking about a mistake instead of trying to run away from it is so disarming.
AdLiban hour ago
All, now here is the thing, it seems Gov Gogo boots DeSantis doesn’t know how to pronounce his own name, is it DeeSantis, or DuSantis now please tell me how can a country elect a man who doesn’t know how to pronounce his own name?
twilson117
an hour ago
TW – I prefer DuhSantos.
AdLiban hour ago
Ad….and I think that is the real Biden.
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
Murph – Agreed! That’s Uncle Joe!
AdLiban hour ago
Ad have you notice DuSantos has been keeping very low profile?
twilson117
an hour ago
DeSantis would have to work REALLY HARD to be anything more than “unattractive and annoying”
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
What do both of you think? If Trump is convicted and prevented from running because he’s imprisoned or due to the 14th Amendment, do you think MAGAs will vote for one of the other lame candidates or just refuse to vote for any of them?
AdLiban hour ago
Everyone thinks DeSantis is a smarter Trump, I don’t know how they concluded that.
twilson117
an hour ago
Ad…..I live in the midst of a swamp of Magats…..and yes, they will hold strong for their leader and not betray him by voting for anyone but him even as a writein
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
TW – Actually, DuhSantos has been in IA campaigning but he doesn’t get a lot of coverage for it. He has such a miserable attitude, and a whiny high pitched voice that is just so off-putting. No way can I see him being attractive to the MAGA majority in the GOP.
AdLiban hour ago
DeSantis’ Anti-Woke campaign clearly demonstrate how much in love he is with really stupid ideas.
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
Ad WTF is that lying thieving low life doing in IA?
twilson117
an hour ago
A school district in Rolla Mo has a battle going about banning “The Diary of Ann Frank” because it promotes the idea that “the Holocaust was real.” Not kidding
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
Murph the word doesn’t mean what DeSantis think it does.
twilson117
an hour ago
TW – That was just propaganda about DuhSantos when he wasn’t well known, that BS has clearly been proven untrue, that he’s a “smart” Trump. He’s stupid in his own annoying way. With none of the Trump flair and charisma, no way is he an acceptable alternative for Trump voters.
AdLiban hour ago
Murph for real, you have to be kidding me.
twilson117
an hour ago
TW…no it does not…..in fact in most regards what it is represents an open and engaging approach to culture in society.
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
Murph – That’s affirming to hear. If we recognize that MAGAs are simply cultists, it’s easy to predict that they have one cult leader they will follow into the gates of Hell and they’re not available to swap him out for anyone else. MAGA is a Trump cult, knowing that, you can predict their behavior when it comes to abandoning him even if he’s not the nom. They won’t vote.
AdLiban hour ago
TW….for real…..there are lots of stories like this in the red, red, dead, dead world.
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
All I wrote a piece on the banning of Ammanda Gorman’s poem The Hill We Climb it’s out on Medium I will send it over to Ad to have it posted on the Planet
twilson117
an hour ago
TW…..that sounds interesting.
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
Ad….I went to a meeting last week where three men running for office, all GOP, were booed out of the room because they were not followers of the Orange God.
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
Three white, right men!
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
Murp they’re Repubs but not Trump Repubs right?
twilson117
an hour ago
The whole “woke” BS DuhSantos is basing his campaign on is a nothingburger to the vast majority of voters who don’t even know or care what “woke” means. How do you win a GE on anything he’s building his identity on? Anti-abortion, anti-Disney, anti-books, anti-teachers, no way to wash his hands clean of the madness he’s married to in hopes of winning the GOP nom.
AdLiban hour ago
TW…that is correct….they are right but wrong in their failure to bend the knee.
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
Ad…good summary……de-santo-sizing
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
Murph just what is it that the Trump lovers in your town actually believe Trump has done for them?
twilson117
an hour ago
Murph – I’m sure Koch, his buddies, Putin, etc. are salivating at seeing nutjobs go mainstream in disputing the idea of truth and facts and history. Then again, I could imagine CNN having a town hall on whether or not the Holocaust happened.
AdLiban hour ago
Tw – Great, look forward to reading and publishing your article on Gorman.
AdLiban hour ago
TW….”he has raised America up so we can hold our heads up again…”quote from a Trump organizer that gets cheers everytime.
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
CNN….whores for rating.
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
Ad he is getting really bad advice from whomever is advising him that these so called social issues are what main stream repubs care about the don’t.
twilson117
an hour ago
Murph – That is pretty remarkable! From your perspective in MO, do you think people are really turning on Trump as damaged goods in meaningful numbers? That would make the GOP Primary a mudpit which I will love watching.
AdLiban hour ago
Murph as much as people think we held our heads down, they haven’t been paying attention to what is taking place in the world.
twilson117
an hour ago
Ad….no, few are turning on him…..which means that when they are asked to consider options they will be constitutionally unable do so.
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
Murph – IOW, Trump has made it okay to be openly hateful, insulting and racist and he hates the people they hate. That bout it?
AdLiban hour ago
TW….I spoke with someone who Thinks Biden is weakening our profile in the world and sabotaging the military….what world does he and his fellow dumb wads live in.
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
Murph – Great article out today about Licht and CNN, scathing and first hand, really fascinating stuff that ultimately affirms everything most people think about what CNN is about now.
AdLiban hour ago
Murph have to ask are they also looking for the country to be a Christian Nation as well?
twilson117
an hour ago
Ad….yep Trump is doing what George Wallace did…..made it ok to speak words and to offer thoughts that we hoped were buried deep in the ground.
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
Murph that is crazy about Biden and the military. Trump didn’t do anything for the military he thinks anyone who joins is stupid.
twilson117
an hour ago
TW….in their churches Jesus is Them…..
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
Murph – That’s actually good news. Trump will be indicted and convicted in multiple cases by next Nov. Most voters will be repulsed by him while his faithful will prevent any other Repub from winning the nom. So 2024 will likely be, IMO, a massive crushing of the GOP.
AdLiban hour ago
TW…..a look at the map of Europe that shows the shifts in NATO membership tells the tale but it is not one that many here have any chance of understanding.
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
Murph why do I get the feeling the folks in your town think Trump is the one who got Bin Ladin and not Obama
twilson117
an hour ago
Murph you are so right on that
twilson117
an hour ago
Ad, yes….one GOP organizer who I know rather well sounded that same alarm in a meeting of other Trump organizers and……..he is no longer part of that crowd….expelled.
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
I think MAGA has overplayed its hand, between Trump and his crimes, MTG, Boebert, Jordan, Chip Roy, etc., they all look like lunatics to most Americans. And now it appears WI will get rid of gerrymandering, NY will re-district and the 5 seats Repubs won will likely be lost, Dems stand a likely chance of regaining unitary control of Congress. Saw a poll showing Repubs in Biden districts are underwater while Dems are above water in The House.
AdLiban hour ago
TW…..folks in my town would certainly accept your bin Laden scenario = but they are largely ignorant of even basic info.
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
Murph well I think a quote from Forest Gump is appropriate here, ‘stupid is as stupid does.’
twilson117
an hour ago
Murph – That’s interesting. It’s like some less-convicted MAGAs see the MAGA Wagon heading for the edge of the cliff but if they try and get in front of it, they get run over.
AdLiban hour ago
Ad….I am beginning to be a disciple of your optimism…..I see people here cannabilizing their own because the dare to offer the thought that Trump might just be little bit guilty of something that might be bad.
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
Murph it sounds like you have some who want to move from the “MAGA” to going back being a Republican
twilson117
an hour ago
TW and Ad….stupid is as stupid does proclaimed as the Trump wagon rolls over the cliff.
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
BTW, another Repub self-destructive move is the privatization of schools, AZ is gfinding out that the bill they’re going to have to pay for it is more than they can afford, Repubs are blowing up schools, hospitals, farms (DuhSantos’ immigrant attacking bill has left farms and construction sites as ghost towns), etc.
AdLiban hour ago
TW…..I see very few willing to even consider embracing any of the ideas of the Grand Old Party.
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
Ad….excellent example of real world consequences…..
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
Murph – Bottom line with cults, the leader is protected in the minds of the faithful as divine and perfect. If anyone criticizes The Leader, it is an attack on believers and they become the enemy. The only way cults end is by taking away the image and power of the leader and up until the last moment, the cultists will defend and worship him.
AdLiban hour ago
Murph so they are ok with Trump committing adultery not once but twice, lying on his taxes stealing from his own charity and more things I can name
twilson117
an hour ago
Ad…..and even beyond those “last moments” they revere the memory of the “Dear Leader” and yearn for his presence again.
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
TW…..you believe those awful lies about St. Donald? What is wrong with you?
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
Murph – Reminds me of when Brownback in KS implemented Repub trickle-down economics and destroyed the state’s economy. Given the power and freedom to apply their terrible ideas, Repubs will drag down the infrastructure, economy and societies in their states. Only then might Dems have a chance of winning elections again I suppose. MO is in for bad times too, along with most Red states.
AdLiban hour ago
TW….pretty clear what is very right (meaning correct) of you!!!
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
Murph during Trump’s four years, did your town’s economy improve and if so by how much, and how has it done under Biden?
twilson117
an hour ago
AND BTW, Paxton being impeached in TX??? Who would’ve had that on their bingo card? Repubs are out of control and veering away from even themselves.
AdLiban hour ago
Ad…..a micro example……I was approached last week by three local farmers wanting to be a part of the marketing strategy the co-op had developed. I told them that the co-op is no more…..in part because people like them were not open to joining it. They were baffled.
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
Murph – Yep, there will be those who wistfully worship an imprisoned and powerless Trump just as Reagan was deified for many years after he was gone and had failed in his presidency. But think about Reagan today, disregarded and generally forgotten. That is Trump’s future legacy.
AdLiban hour ago
Ad saw that, the question for me will they actually vote to kick him out.
twilson117
an hour ago
Murph – We have a term for people like that…fools.
AdLiban hour ago
TW…..Trump’s years were pretty neutral in terms of economic progress or regression here….but most here believe that THINGS WERE SO MUCH BETTER WITH TRUMP IN CHARGE…..mythology.
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
Ad the MAGA’s of today would call Reagan a traitor.
twilson117
an hour ago
Ad…Reagan….a spoon parallel.
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
TW – You mean vote to kick out Trump? Not MAGAs, they are cultists and they will stay committed to Trump long after he’s in prison.
AdLiban hour ago
I have been told by a young man who still works for me on my farm that his mother and dad have a shrine to trumpin in their living room…..candles, flags, photos, flowers…..he thinks they are nuts.
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
Murph that’s what I thought so much better because Obama wasn’t in office. So what to do have to say about Cook and Haley
twilson117
an hour ago
Murph – I’m sure those geniuses forget that Trump was president when the Covid quarrantines destroyed the economy for many of the MO Repubs. They no doubt believe in a fantasy where that never happened. Remember, Trump oversaw a net loss in jobs in his 4 years and a 25% increase in the national debt.
AdLib44 minutes ago
TW….Cook and Haley?
MurphTheSurf3
44 minutes ago
TW – Exactly! The lying phony of the 1980’s is a wimp compared to the lying phony of the 2020s for MAGAs.
AdLib43 minutes ago
Ad….LIES….MORE LIES…..LEFT WINGER….PROGRESSIVE…..LIBERAL……you know…..D-E-M-O-C-R-A-T
MurphTheSurf3
43 minutes ago
Murph Tim Cook Senator from SC and Niki Haley former Gov of SC and UN Amb.
twilson117
43 minutes ago
TW….ah yes, THEM…..I suspect totally unaware. The people live in tiny little holes.
MurphTheSurf3
42 minutes ago
Murph – Many young people with MAGA parents will no doubt rebel against MAGA after seeing how it has brainwashed them.
AdLib42 minutes ago
TW – Tim Scott
AdLib41 minutes ago
Murph a shrine to Trump wow, now that’s scary.
twilson117
41 minutes ago
Ad that’s right thanks
twilson117
41 minutes ago
Murph – Yep, all they have is tribalism and cultism, “Hate Libruls!”. When houses need to be built, all they have are gasoline and matches.
AdLib40 minutes ago
Ad….this young man (22) has worked for me since he was 18….part time but good money…..I knew his family’s orientation so we did not engage in much talk that was not farm related…..until…..in the last two years he has accepted things I have given him thread in response to questions. He still lives with them but last week he told me that it was his parents were trapped in hole full of lies.
MurphTheSurf3
39 minutes ago
Ad…..When houses need to be built, all they have are gasoline and matches…..brilliant.
MurphTheSurf3
39 minutes ago
TW – Scott is as shallow and hollow as pols come. Haley is such a hypcrite and untrustworthy to MAGAs because she bounces back constantly from being a Trumper to being against him. Both have zero chance to win but I think Scott knows he’s positioned well to be a VP pick for Trump. If Herschel Walker isn’t available,
AdLib38 minutes ago
Ad….”given him to READ”
MurphTheSurf3
38 minutes ago
Ad agree with you completely on Scott and Haley.
twilson117
38 minutes ago
SCOTT – the kind of Black Man labeled by southern whites as “a good boy”
MurphTheSurf3
37 minutes ago
Murph – Right, I knew that’s what you meant. That should be satisfying for you to connect with him and be a positive influence when he feels so shutout by his cultish parents.
AdLib37 minutes ago
Ad the young man you’ve been talking to seems to know what is up and what is down
twilson117
36 minutes ago
The thing about all the Repub candidates for the nom, none can come off as “human”. They are all artificial when they talk, no sense of a genuine person. One discouraged Repub mentioned that Trump had turned the GOP into “Performance Art”. I think that’s pretty accurate.
AdLib35 minutes ago
Ad……I worry that his parents will be enraged….I have talked with him about the importance of playing his cards with care….holding all of them close to his chest. Yesterday he told me that he was thinking of moving to either Mass. or CA…I gasped and he laughed at me.
MurphTheSurf3
35 minutes ago
Ad yes it’s all about who can yell the loudest, say WOKE more, talk about CRT and DEI things they know nothing about and proclaim they want to be govern by a Christian Nation.
twilson117
33 minutes ago
Murph – Heh! Well, tell him that TW and I can tell him about MA and CA. And for the most part, only good things.
AdLib33 minutes ago
What is sad is that this young man is innately bright and clever but he has grown up in a cellar where dark is light and musty rags are fine clothing.
MurphTheSurf3
32 minutes ago
Ad…..I will give him your e-mail……yeah, right!
MurphTheSurf3
31 minutes ago
Repubs have no answers, only accusations and pandering to white insecurity. Neither of those things lead to progress on any issue. As Repubs roll back wights, dignity, democracy, health care, education, etc. in red states, the blue states will prosper and attract the best and brightest from their states as their states collapse, one after the other. It doesn’t take a genius to see what’s going to happen. “Who wants to live in a free state and who wants to stay here?”
AdLib30 minutes ago
Good Golly Miss Molly….it is 10:40 here…..I have less to do now but my body has not yet realized that I do not have to be up at the crack of dawn.
MurphTheSurf3
30 minutes ago
Murph – Just saying, he could apply for school or jobs in the areas where he wants to live, away from MO and be his own man.
AdLib29 minutes ago
Murph – You need to have a sit down with your body and break the news to it that it doesn’t have to be exhausted as much now.
AdLib28 minutes ago
Ad….I get your point…but he loves his folks….and, increasingly, feels sorry for them so leaving them is unlikely but his MA and CA scenario may be more than a shocker for Murph.
MurphTheSurf3
28 minutes ago
Ad sounds like if he could make the brake he would benefit far better.
twilson117
28 minutes ago
Ad…..my body has 15 years of conditioning…it is going take a while.
MurphTheSurf3
27 minutes ago
Murph has he been out of MO
twilson117
27 minutes ago
TW – All the GOP has now is yelling, whining, lying and hating. That’s not the most attractive political platform.
AdLib27 minutes ago
Ad agree
twilson117
27 minutes ago
TW….he has spoken about Arkansas and Oklahoma…..not really new experiences in comparison to Mo.
MurphTheSurf3
26 minutes ago
I tell ya….we three can sure chat up a storm.
MurphTheSurf3
26 minutes ago
Murph – Lots of kids love their parents but go to college or build their jobs and lives elsewhere. If he’s going to be “their son” as a career, that’s kind of limiting.
AdLib26 minutes ago
Murph there is a lot to discuss 
twilson117
25 minutes ago
Ad…..in rural families his feelings are well rooted and thoughts of setting them aside are painful.
MurphTheSurf3
25 minutes ago
TW – Yes but I understand how hard it is for people who have lived their whole lives in a sheltered way to break out and go somewhere “foreign” to them.
AdLib24 minutes ago
Murph I can understand your young friend attachment to his parents, it would be tough for him to break away, but he might just have to.
twilson117
24 minutes ago
I think that the “shrine” has really disturbed him….I need to move with care…..
MurphTheSurf3
23 minutes ago
Murph – Wherever he went, it would help him grow and become his own person. Feeling locked into being a child is not the best lifestyle.
AdLib23 minutes ago
He has a very nice girlfriend who comes from a slightly more enlightened world.
MurphTheSurf3
23 minutes ago
He only has a high school education……I have been encouraging him to go to trade school creating options for him that are not in place now. He is scared of school….of any sort.
MurphTheSurf3
21 minutes ago
Murph what is your take on the girlfriend from the POV of the politics of your town and your young friend’s parents with their shrine to Trump.
twilson117
21 minutes ago
Murph – We all get to choose our paths in life and even by not choosing a path, you’ve chosen one. This young man doesn’t know that he has an opportunity to live his own life now on his own terms, living as a child your whole life on your parents terms is smothering your potential in life.
AdLib21 minutes ago
TW…I suspect the girlfriend has just not thought a lot about any of it. She has a mom who long ago walked away from an abusive husband who is a hair stylist and they live in a small, but nice house in our little town.
MurphTheSurf3
20 minutes ago
Murph it sounds like he is in a learn helplessness situation given his attachment and being scared of school.
twilson117
20 minutes ago
Ad, I share your perspective …….I hope he begins to see his options.
MurphTheSurf3
19 minutes ago
Murph – I get it. It can be hard for young people to escape their rural homes and towns, their parents may not have supported him in learning to be ambitous and exploring his potentials. So he doesn’t have the base of confidence to springboard from that children who have had supportive and wise parents have.
AdLib18 minutes ago
BTW…..the young man is 6ft 5in tall, weight 180 pounds (much of it muscle) and is quite good looking. He has a winning way about him. His parents do not deserve him.
MurphTheSurf3
17 minutes ago
Ad….good insights.
MurphTheSurf3
17 minutes ago
When you’ve had the good fortune to be well educated and enabled to believe you can choose the paths that you think best for you, it’s easy to overlook that those who haven’t been brought up similarly can feel “stuck” in a smaller world and life.
AdLib16 minutes ago
Murph you said he is afraid of school is because he thinks he wouldn’t do well?
twilson117
16 minutes ago
It is nice to hang around here without concern for the cock-crowing to come.
MurphTheSurf3
16 minutes ago
Ad….more good insights…wise man.
MurphTheSurf3
15 minutes ago
Murph – That’s nice to hear, a side benefit for you and us!
AdLib15 minutes ago
TW…..I think that school was hard for him…..the trade programs in the community colleges here would be good for him….but school is where I think he tended to struggle and lived in fear of failing.
MurphTheSurf3
14 minutes ago
Thanks Murph. I get it, it’s hard to put yourself in someone else’s shoes when something you take for granted is unknown to them.
AdLib14 minutes ago
Ad….The Planet is one of the best things in my life which of course means that you guys are too.
MurphTheSurf3
13 minutes ago
Murph I can see that. He has to build up is confidence my guess once he does he will take off.
twilson117
13 minutes ago
Murph appreciate you saying that.
twilson117
13 minutes ago
TW and Ad….I need to do some serious thinking about this young man….see where it takes me.
MurphTheSurf3
12 minutes ago
Murph – Just the experience of traveling could be very good for him. Just a vacation to a big blue city like Boston, NY, LA, could be really inspiring for him and eye opening. Do you think he would consider taking his girlfriend on a vacation like that?
AdLib12 minutes ago
Just a few days in one of those cities could help him see what’s out there and possible.
AdLib11 minutes ago
Ad…..he hates going into the city of St. Louis because it is so busy and hard to get around in……but, as you say….maybe his girl friend will be more open and more daring. I do not know her at all well.
MurphTheSurf3
10 minutes ago
It’s a thought. Somewhere fun could be nice and enlightening.
AdLib10 minutes ago
So are we agreed that the most likely scenario in 2024 is a Dem sweep?
AdLib9 minutes ago
BTW…..this young man comes from a rare thing here….a family with only one kid…him.
MurphTheSurf3
8 minutes ago
Ad I will say it will be very very interesting.
twilson117
8 minutes ago
Murph that explains his closeness to his parents.
twilson117
8 minutes ago
Dem Sweep…..I am beginning to think it might be possible.
MurphTheSurf3
7 minutes ago
Murph – So most parents have multiple kids there you mean?
AdLib7 minutes ago
Ad…families tend to be on the large side. and yes, TW….that does explain a lot about him.
MurphTheSurf3
7 minutes ago
I can’t see how indie voters could look at Trump and the House Repubs and say, “I want more of that!”
AdLib7 minutes ago
The real issue is that Biden and Dems have to be a lot louder about everything they have done to make things better in this country. The humility of Biden cuts against him in an election as the other side piles on the fear and hatred and lies about biden and Dems.
AdLib5 minutes ago
ad……yes, Biden needs to learn how to knife fight.
MurphTheSurf3
5 minutes ago
Murph I can understand I’m an only child, but I had some shall we say interesting experiences while growing up and when I got married, well things really changed in the family dynamic between me and my parents.
twilson117
4 minutes ago
TW…thanks for that insight.
MurphTheSurf3
4 minutes ago
A year from now, Trump will be preparing for multiple criminal trials, will likely have lost a couple and be buried in bad press. Biden and Dems need to paint the GOP as all about Trump and his criming and brag about how great they have been and what exactly they are going to deliver if they sweep the election.
AdLib3 minutes ago
Well, friends I am going to get into bed….with a good book….after all, I can sleep in….not that I do very often given how I am wired but I am working it.
MurphTheSurf3
3 minutes ago
Ad……now that’s a campaign plan.
MurphTheSurf3
2 minutes ago
Well Murph you have a good night and enjoy whatever you’re reading.
twilson117
2 minutes ago
Sounds good Murph! You deserve the rest! See you here next week! CL should be back then too!
AdLib2 minutes ago
Bye!
MurphTheSurf3
a minute ago
Night Murph!
AdLiba minute ago
Take care Murph
twilson117
a minute ago
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