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Διψάω για Τζένιφερ Ψάκη. θα μπορούσαμε και οι δύο να είμαστε κόκκινοι λάτρεις στη σκιά Khirad 2 hours ago

Hey Khirad! AdLib 2 hours ago

Ah, a Psaki fan! AdLib 2 hours ago

Hey, I’m gonna pregame while you think about how Psaki is hot and we could start a soulless ginger race. Khirad 2 hours ago

I;m a red if you didn’t remember Khirad 2 hours ago

Cow-a-Psaki, man! AdLib 2 hours ago

Ah, that was the red reference! AdLib 2 hours ago

Hey PPO! AdLib 2 hours ago

Hi, Ad, Kiirad pinkpantheroz 2 hours ago

How are things your way, PPO? AdLib 2 hours ago

Usual old shite. Our Prime Minister has just announced 600 million GAS plant for electricity gen! On land his pals own. Promising the World, so we will be distracted from the total cock-up of the vaccine non-plan. reckon he will call an Election soon pinkpantheroz 2 hours ago

Personally, I’m glad the traitorous Repubs are refusing to vote for a 1/6 commission, they would have blocked all subpoenas and turned it into a joke like the AZ Cyber Ninja recount. Now Dems can start a Select Panel and do it right, and bust the Repubs in Congress as well as Trump. They can refer prosecutions to the DoJ too. AdLib 2 hours ago

56 days infection free of locally caught virus in Our State. zero new cases in hotel quarantine. pinkpantheroz 2 hours ago

PPO – That’s exactly the same game plan as Abbot in TX, throw all kinds of distractions at the public as you let them die. AdLib 2 hours ago

boo Angela Bridgman 2 hours ago

Hi Angela! AdLib 2 hours ago

Hey, Ad Angela Bridgman 2 hours ago

Scar-r-r-ry! AdLib 2 hours ago

hey, PPO Angela Bridgman 2 hours ago

To all the Republicans, I have one question…. Angela Bridgman 2 hours ago

Oh, one bit of news. My new 14month old SUV with 500kms only on the clock is being recalled because the engine may catch fire while off! pinkpantheroz 2 hours ago

Hi Angela, Murph! pinkpantheroz 2 hours ago

Why does BENGHAZI warrant…ELEVEN DIFFERENT INVESTIGATIONS….and the attempted overthrow of our democracy doesn’t warrant even ONE?? Angela Bridgman 2 hours ago

Hey Murph! AdLib 2 hours ago

Angela, because GOP. ’nuff said. pinkpantheroz 2 hours ago

PPO – Is it now officially a hot rod? AdLib 2 hours ago

Why do we fuckin put UP with this shit? Angela Bridgman 2 hours ago

Hello all…..Ad, Angela, Khirad, PPO… MurphTheSurf3 2 hours ago

hey, Murph Angela Bridgman 2 hours ago

Well, a bit warm! they even tell us to park them in the street to prevent the house going up! But no new bits to replace yet! Weeks away! pinkpantheroz 2 hours ago

I just saw a saguaro in bloom! If you’ve never seen. I mean, it’s blooming season. Khirad 2 hours ago

I am SO TIRED of fucking Republicans. They need to just be eliminated from all power forever. Replace them with an actual conservative Party that isn’t a bunch of shit-eating goons Angela Bridgman 2 hours ago

Murph, did you get to see any of dad’s movies? pinkpantheroz 2 hours ago

Angela – Absolutely. And did you see Rubio’s BS video today? He claims the 1/6 commission would be political because even the asking of a subpoena is a political attack. The Repubs are no longer a party, worse than a cult, they are all criminals trying to rob the nation of democracy. AdLib 2 hours ago

So, the Israelis, totally kosher, right? Khirad 2 hours ago

If you want to be Hsipanic in America be Cuban. Those are the good refugees. Khirad 2 hours ago

Nutty Yahoo has to go, p[referably to jail, Kh. pinkpantheroz 2 hours ago

I wish someone would take and clunk the Palestinians heads and the Israeli heads together and tell them all to just fuckin’ GET ALONG ALREADY Angela Bridgman 2 hours ago

The thing that worries me, Ad…is that the mofo’s may actually succeed. Angela Bridgman 2 hours ago

And if they do, people like me are as good as dead Angela Bridgman 2 hours ago

Angela, it’s a bit hard to do that when the British upped and stole Palestinian land to give to the refugees they didn’t want landing in England after the war. Not as much as a by-your-leave. pinkpantheroz 2 hours ago

Bibi is almost as dirty as Trump – but smart, as well Khirad 2 hours ago

PPO – That’s not right, they should provide for people to drive in the meantime, lump sum for car rentals, etc. AdLib 2 hours ago

Ad, class actions on the way. pinkpantheroz 2 hours ago

Khirad – Yep, them “good” Hispanics like Rubio and all the older Cubans who voted for Trump to end democracy! That would have shown Castro! AdLib 2 hours ago

I dunno…it was 70 plus years ago now, time to GET OVER IT. Learn to get the hell along, neither side is going anywhere Angela Bridgman 2 hours ago

Palestinians have better hummus even without the rockets Khirad 2 hours ago

Tired of hearing who did what wrong to whom first…I want to hear who is going to be satisfied to let the other side have the LAST WRONG Angela Bridgman 2 hours ago

Angela, no argument. If only Israel would stop grabbing even more land for settling. pinkpantheroz 2 hours ago

Hummus, ewww. Do not like chickpeas (aka garbanzo beans….did you know that’s the first four letters of “garbage” right there??) Angela Bridgman 2 hours ago

Angela – Yes, just because it’s public knowledge that the GOP is trying to end our democracy, it doesn’t prevent them from doing it. But lots of lawsuits abound and more will come to stop them. The courts saved democracy last November, I think they will help protect it now too. AdLib 2 hours ago

How anyone could not like Hummus means they’ve never had Arab hummus or been to a restaurant. Sorry. End of story. I assume you thing Gyro is pronounced like the Italian sammich? Khirad 2 hours ago

I wish I had your optimism, Ad. Maybe if you know YOU won;t be the first ones taken out when democracy dies…you can have a little optimism. All I have any more is fear. Angela Bridgman 2 hours ago

Evening all! How’re you doing? choicelady 2 hours ago

Khirad – hummus is my fave. ‘ choicelady 2 hours ago

My comedy would kill on the West Bank, unfortunately – Gaza has enough of that. Khirad 2 hours ago

I use Tahini sauce on my Gyro, thank you Angela Bridgman 2 hours ago

I lika the sauce – and you never had a real Lebanese meal. Khirad 2 hours ago

Khirad – NutAndYahoo is not so brilliant, he is caught dead to rights for his crimes and is creating all this havoc to hold off his prosecution but it won’t work forever. He is a terrible excuse for a human being. AdLib 2 hours ago

He Ad, Angela, Khirad, Murph, PPO – lovely to see you. choicelady 2 hours ago

CL! pinkpantheroz 2 hours ago

hello, lady Angela Bridgman 2 hours ago

PPO!! choicelady 2 hours ago

Hi Angela! choicelady 2 hours ago

Can I just say, I love hummus but I love tahini even more. But I never tell them, they’re loved equally as far as they know. AdLib 2 hours ago

Ad…I am SO USING that name “NutAndYahoo” Fuckin LOL!!! Angela Bridgman 2 hours ago

Hey CL! AdLib 2 hours ago

Ad – a good consumer never tells the consumed what’s the fave. Good on you. choicelady 2 hours ago

Good taste, Ad. Tahini is awesome Angela Bridgman 2 hours ago

Hey back atcha Ad! choicelady 2 hours ago

Trader Joes Hummus does not count Khirad 2 hours ago

I had Fajitas for dinner tonight though. With lots of Tabasco Angela Bridgman 2 hours ago

I stepped away and see that CL has joined us……Want to Hear About my meeting last Friday night…..Theme: “When THEY Block the Vote, WE Rock the Vote.” Folks from four states, two of which are red but all aiming to expand registration, set up systems to guard voter rights, and ensure that GOTV is supercharged……the GOP is a party of traitors….that is very clear now. MurphTheSurf3 2 hours ago

Anyway the joke was that Israelis and Arabs get in Guiness World record comps over hummus Khirad 2 hours ago

Of all the hummus in all the world, my fave is Safeway’s store brand. Except for that I got in restaurants. choicelady 2 hours ago

Oh Murph – That is GREAT!!! choicelady 2 hours ago

Store brand hummus is atrocius Khirad 2 hours ago

Angela – What I do know is that the GOP is trying to steal power away from the majority and if they succeed, a majority of Americans may not be so polite about it. Multiply BLM/George Floyd protests by a couple and if they like a siege of Congress, they may not like what happens if they smother our democracy. AdLib 2 hours ago

I do not like NutAndYahoo. The entire Likud Party is corrupt, just like the GOP here in America Angela Bridgman 2 hours ago

Khirad – Safeway did something well. It’s delish. My hubs makes it and it’s as good as his.’ choicelady 2 hours ago

Angela – So glad you like it! AdLib 2 hours ago

I’d spread Marmite before any store brand hummus. It needs to be fresh and warrm Khirad 2 hours ago

the hummous here in MEL is brilliant. pinkpantheroz 2 hours ago

Point of info – my sister in law went to high school with NutandYahoo in PA. She’s Jewish and thought him a nutter then and now. choicelady 2 hours ago

CL…hope so……the level of subversion now being undertaken to ensure GOP dominance despite its minority membership (using Trumpism as a lightning rod……I think)….is clearly about nullifying the constitution. MurphTheSurf3 2 hours ago

Anyway, we are in bloom in Arizona and don’t get me started on Mexican food. Khirad 2 hours ago

I discovered Tahini sauce when I lived in Texas, actually. I got Gyros from a Greek Store, and they used Tahini Sauce on theirs. I’d never heard of it. But I liked it and asked them about it Angela Bridgman 2 hours ago

Where in PA did NutAndYahoo go to school? Angela Bridgman 2 hours ago

I used to live in PA Angela Bridgman 2 hours ago

Khirad – I’ve NEVER had warm hummus. Anywhere. Ever. choicelady 2 hours ago

If only those who like hummis and those who don’t know what it is but love bean dip while watching monster truck rallies could all get along. AdLib 2 hours ago

hummus AdLib 2 hours ago

I actually cook “ethnic” from scratch and am still trying to get back into the culinary industry so I’m a bit Bourdain on stuff Khirad 2 hours ago

About 2 miles away from Gulen’s compund, in fact, LOL Angela Bridgman 2 hours ago

I believe my SIL and Bibi went to Chestnut Hill HS north of Philly. choicelady 2 hours ago

I have two of Gülens books Khirad 2 hours ago

I could look it up, but hey… choicelady 2 hours ago

Döner kebab! Khirad 2 hours ago

Have had lebanese food twice this week, plenty of hummus and tahini along with the shwarma. Why can’t we all get along like them? AdLib 2 hours ago

Funny, I lived next to Chestnuthill Township. I do not think that is the same place, though…we were like 70 miles north of Philly Angela Bridgman 2 hours ago

I actually just ordered Indian and am talking food. Khirad 2 hours ago

A little tale from Ireland. Fergie and I were visiting dublin in 1983 and were about to have dinner with Mum and Dad at home with a few friends. Dad got a call from one, who apologised because he couldn’t come. He had just been elected President of Israel! Chaim Herzog was Dad’s friend. pinkpantheroz 2 hours ago

Did you notice how NutAndYahoo was trying to be defiant and snub Biden’s calls for a truce but he appeared to get tapped on the shoulder by advisors and told that the whole world was turning against Israel? AdLib 2 hours ago

PPO….You sure know how to drop names…starting with your Dad (P.S. watched two of his films)…. MurphTheSurf3 2 hours ago

Khirad – I may be the ONLY person on the planet who hared Bourdain. He trashed Hillary over taking $$ from Weinstein saying “everyone knew” he was a predator. Well, in HOLLYWOOD maybe, but not the world at large. He said HE knew – so I asked him why HE hadn’t done anything. He blocked me. choicelady 2 hours ago

Wow, I heard of the Hibernian League here in the US but Khirad 2 hours ago

NutAndYahoo is just trying to survive another election Angela Bridgman 2 hours ago

Well, he hung himself so you won CL Khirad 2 hours ago

PPO – cool story! choicelady 2 hours ago

Who hung himself? Angela Bridgman 2 hours ago

PPO – I’ve used that excuse to get out of dinners I didn’t want to go to as well, “Damn, I was just elected president of Israel, I can’t make it tonight!” AdLib 2 hours ago

Anthony Bourdain Khirad 2 hours ago

‘Strong Leader’ – distract from his corruption, what are a few buildings and Palestinian casualties? pinkpantheroz 2 hours ago

Khirad – I was sad when he killed himself but could NOT watch his show after that interchange. choicelady 2 hours ago

Oh. I was like, I did not hear Weinstein had hung himself…not that I’d cry much if he did Angela Bridgman 2 hours ago

Ad – your excuse beats my fave T shirt: “Sorry I’m late. I didn’t want to come.” choicelady 2 hours ago

Oi, allah… this is taking a turn… but Joe Rogan is getting shit and I’m sick of cancel culture too. Khirad 2 hours ago

Angela – no Bourdain did. I’m furious w his blaming Hillary for not outing Weinstein when Bourdain admitted HE knew but the rest of the world did NOT. choicelady 2 hours ago

I haven’t seen the polling in Israel yet, is this contrived and cruel war of NutAndYahoo’s helping him in the polls or not? He looks so damn evil and he sure doesn’t look like the winner in this conflict, there are none. AdLib 2 hours ago

My face T-Shirt: “I am not a Bitch….I am THE BITCH…And that’s MISS BITCH to you!!” Angela Bridgman 2 hours ago

Angela – I WANT THAT SHIRT! choicelady 2 hours ago

It’s a good one, eh, CL?? Angela Bridgman 2 hours ago

The best, Angela! The best. choicelady 2 hours ago

I’m gonna look this thing up with Bourdain because chefs can be assholes and sweet … I just did not know about that. Khirad 2 hours ago

CL – That’s way too honest and direct. Another good approach is to let someone uninvite you after you say, “Well, I was just with someone who is now in the hospital with Covid, hanging onto life by a thread. But if it’s okay with you, I can still come over.” AdLib 2 hours ago

I wore that once to our State Capital here in Raleigh, visiting a few of our legislators. Angela Bridgman 2 hours ago

LOL, AdLib!! Angela Bridgman 2 hours ago

Khirad – it was a back and forth between Bourdain and me on Twitter. Not sure it’s “out there”. choicelady 2 hours ago

Also, I don’t really care about Hillary either. Sorry. Khirad 2 hours ago

Angela! LOL!!!! Perfect garb for lobbying! choicelady 2 hours ago

And Hamas plays into his hands……..and their leadership circle has its motivation to promote strife as well…..with the Palestinian Authority caught between them. MurphTheSurf3 2 hours ago

Especially when they had just passed the hateful bathroom bill here in NC Angela Bridgman 2 hours ago

Is it true that the best ever WH press Sec is leaving? Say it aint so! pinkpantheroz 2 hours ago

I remember one time, I cracked up Sen. Jeff Jackson from Charlotte… Angela Bridgman 2 hours ago

Khirad – she, like the rest of us, knew nothing of his rep. Like her or not, she was not responsible for his acts. But Bourdain knew and did nothing. choicelady 2 hours ago

So does anyone think that the anti-Trump lobby in the GOP, small as it is, could grow especially after Trump and his family and company are prosecuted for tax fraud and money laundering? How much pull would Trump have from a prison cell? AdLib 2 hours ago

I was with him, going through the metal detector…while he used the Members Door and waited for me… Angela Bridgman 2 hours ago

PPO – at the end of the year, Psaki leaves, so we’re good for 2021. choicelady 2 hours ago

And I unzipped my purse, put it on the belt, and walked thru…without being asked. Angela Bridgman 2 hours ago

The guards are like…”Well, you got this down pat!!” Angela Bridgman 2 hours ago

Damn, cl, She will be missed. pinkpantheroz 2 hours ago

Ad – yes, I think that the “never Trumpers” have real clout. Take over the party? No. Start a third party w some juice? YES! choicelady 2 hours ago

I said to them…”come on, guys, you know me well enough by now…the only dangerous thing about me is my mouth, and you can’t take that away!!” Angela Bridgman 2 hours ago

PPO…Psaki has said that the job has built in burn out and that you have one great year and then should move on (but perhaps in the admin working in policy) MurphTheSurf3 2 hours ago

I thought Sen. Jackson would die laughing Angela Bridgman 2 hours ago

Angela – my all time fave T shirt was on a middle aged woman who was working at the Erie (NY) County court house. It said, “I’m out of estrogen, and I have a gun.” Nobody stopped HER either. choicelady 2 hours ago

I’d rather see Trump utterly broken, and forced to beg for food, living under a bridge somewhere in New Jersey. That would be a more fitting punishment. Angela Bridgman 2 hours ago

Jen Psaki is a champ, no one, even Repubs can doubt that. Compare her to the string of morons and liars Trump had. She dances circles around the RW fools who try to ask propaganda questions, I love watching her. AdLib 2 hours ago

I’m looking into this Bourdain thing, because I always liked him. As a chef, which he was. Bill Gates I guess too now. Guilt by association until I read more I’ll be Gordon Ramsay. I’m very Bill Burr lately. Khirad 2 hours ago

LOL, CL, a good one, too Angela Bridgman 2 hours ago

Angela – your image of Trump’s future and mine are the same. choicelady 2 hours ago

Of, course. Great female minds think alike Angela Bridgman 2 hours ago

Jen Psaki is a year older and should she ever leave her family – two redhead together – love Khirad 2 hours ago

Khirad! Always good to have a goal. choicelady 2 hours ago

See, if Trump is living under a bridge we can drive by and sneer and spit at him. We can’t do that if he is in a prison Angela Bridgman 2 hours ago

See you later, but I might have some Arabic songs later love you all Khirad 2 hours ago

bye, Khirad Angela Bridgman 2 hours ago

G’bye Khirad! choicelady 2 hours ago

Cheers, KH pinkpantheroz 2 hours ago

CL – I don’t think the Never Trumpers in the GOP will take over but I think they will be a strong rival faction in the GOP and grow as Trump is taken down by the law. Then, with some luck and some pro-democracy court rulings, the Dems could assert more power over fixing our democracy. AdLib 2 hours ago

Ad – I think you’re absolutely correct about the GOP. choicelady 2 hours ago

Where did Khirad go? Where the hummus is fresher? AdLib 2 hours ago

Beans make ya fart Angela Bridgman 2 hours ago

Ad – yes. He is off to hunt hummus handily. choicelady 2 hours ago

Angela – the untold story of hummus. choicelady 2 hours ago

Khirad stars in “Hunting For Hummus”. AdLib 2 hours ago

Khirad is a hummus being. AdLib 2 hours ago

Ad – Is that Good Hummus Hunting”? choicelady 2 hours ago

I think that the Dems are going to have to go for broke in these two years …. failure to do so is likely to create at least one house with GOP dominance and then the agenda will be to break the dems by any means necessary at all levels. This is war. MurphTheSurf3 2 hours ago

Hey…can I get serious here for a sec?? Angela Bridgman 2 hours ago

I have a hard question I want to pose to everyone…since nobody took me up on it when I Twittered this one… Angela Bridgman 2 hours ago

I try to be patient about indictments for the former guy’s mob, but I do wish all hell breaks loose soon, so the elections next year are mire directly visible. pinkpantheroz 2 hours ago

Go for it Angela pinkpantheroz 2 hours ago

With the latest stories about police shootings and so on….are there ANY circumstances where a police officer shooting a suspect is justified?? And if so…what would those circumstances be? Angela Bridgman 2 hours ago

Murph – I think Nancy’s got it. Gave Kevvie a chance. He punted as usual. So now we’ll go full tilt on a commission, the AG will probably appoint a special counsel NOT handcuffed, and Schumer will find a way around the filibuster. I’m not worried. choicelady 2 hours ago

CL – Good one! AdLib 2 hours ago

Sidenote- I got dragged to see “Raya and the Last Dragon”—a disney film…..which was powerful, and a parable for feminine empowerment…..I have been recommending it left and right. MurphTheSurf3 2 hours ago

Angela – Of course if a suspect actually draws a WEAPON and threatens their lives, OF COURSE a shooting is justified. It hasn’t actually happened much. That’s the problem. choicelady an hour ago

I ask, because it seems to me that EVERY time a black person is shot by cops, the cry goes up that it was unjustified, and the wild rumpus begins again….so I want to know what, if any circumstances…most would think a shooting WAS justified. Angela Bridgman an hour ago

Murph – thanks. I rarely go to movies, but I’ll pay attention to that. choicelady an hour ago

I ask, because of what happened here in Elizabeth City recently… Angela Bridgman an hour ago

It seems to me like the suspect was using his car as a weapon. Angela Bridgman an hour ago

Angela – when it’s clear the perp was seriously dangerous, the Black community does NOT arise. It just hasn’t happened much. choicelady an hour ago

Angela….yes, when the officer’s life is clearly endangered. You know fire fighters find the Police Position that one of their primary goals is to make it back home in one piece…which means they want a wide latitude in responding to any threat of any kind…firefighters by and large put their mortality on the line without conditions. MurphTheSurf3 an hour ago

Murph – I think Manchin and Sinema need to be backed into a corner after this obvious rejection of bipartisanship and democracy by the GOP. The public should mob them on the phone, emails, social media, hound them on their de facto supporting the downfall of democracy in pursuit of re-election. Federal law protecting voting rights is not an option, it is a necessity before the 2022 elections. AdLib an hour ago

thus, the initial shots may be justified…but the shots after the car, when it had cleared the area were not Angela Bridgman an hour ago

They should have aimed for the tires Angela Bridgman an hour ago

Just my take Angela Bridgman an hour ago

Amgela, only if, and only if, the suspect produces a clearly identifiable gun and shoots first. ANy other occasion, no. A guy with a knife 10 yards away is not imminent danger to a heavily armed police officer. pinkpantheroz an hour ago

Like I said…this is one of these tough questions I like to ask…because I like to get a feel fro where people are Angela Bridgman an hour ago

Ad…my question re. Manchin and Sinema is one of who they are really loyal to and backed by. MurphTheSurf3 an hour ago

And, as you all know, I LOVE debtae Angela Bridgman an hour ago

And, some of you know I even debate from positions I do not support sometimes, in order to draw out an opponent Angela Bridgman an hour ago

Angela – that may also be a factor, but we have to SEE THE VIDEOS. We no longer trust the word of cops. I say this as one whose OWN life depended on good police. I loved them all. Every last one. But I hate what I see now. White supremacists infiltrated PDs on purpose. I no longer trust them. I, whiter than white, go racially profiled. I’ll tell you the story one day. They thought I was Mexican. Stupid dumb shit if I ever saw it. choicelady an hour ago

Angela…as a gun owner and target shooter I can assure you that aiming for tires only happens in film……with any hope of success….and besides, if it does work the car can careen out of control and created mayhem. MurphTheSurf3 an hour ago

Angela – I will be writing an article which proposes that police should never be allowed to exercise deadly force. There are plenty of non-lethal weapons that could be used even when some nutjob has a gun and is shooting. But I question whether the police need to be murderers. Why does anyone need to be murdered by the government instead of captured and tried and if guilty, imprisoned? How many more lives would be saved if police were not judge, jury and executioners? AdLib an hour ago

Did I ever tell you the story of the young, scared nineteen year old trans girl who was accosted in Phillipsburg, NJ by eight cops…who them pulled up her dree in the public street? Angela Bridgman an hour ago

Ad – Manchin’s alternative on voting rights is FUCKING BRILLIANT and is being folded into the bill. Sinema I cannot read. I don’t get her at all. choicelady an hour ago

The scared nineteen year old trans girl was me….thrity years ago Angela Bridgman an hour ago

Angela, I want to follow you on Twitter if I havent already. What is your handle, if you don’t miund? pinkpantheroz an hour ago

So…I am no real friend to cops…I live that every time I am involved with them. Angela Bridgman an hour ago

BUT…at the same time, I do like to know what some people consider a justifiable use of force Angela Bridgman an hour ago

Yes, PPO…I am at @TGTarheel Angela Bridgman an hour ago

also @AngelaForNCSD18 Angela Bridgman an hour ago

Murph – But why can’t an officer have a non-deadly weapon? Rubber bullets, bean bags, tasers, and new inventions for self-defense? Why should we just shrug and say that killing weapons are the only tool they can use in such situations? AdLib an hour ago

thanks, Mine is @pinkpantheroz pinkpantheroz an hour ago

A firefighter friend is fond of the point that if they went by police standars a lot more people would burn to death. MurphTheSurf3 an hour ago

The first is my personal account, the second is my candidate account Angela Bridgman an hour ago

Ad – I would NOT go that far. The RW will bring us deadly force, and the good cops HAVE to be able to respond. Remember the bank robbery in LA some years ago> The perps had AK47s. This is NOT a universal issue – it’s one of judgement. In CA you have to go to Barber College LONGER than you do to be a cop. Let’s get REAL training and weed out the supremacists. The whole thing will work better. choicelady an hour ago

My real problem is why is shoot first, shoot often is the only solution police seem to know….and they know nothing of de-escalating a situation. Angela Bridgman an hour ago

Ad….stopping power…..but the need to use a lethal weapon is what is in question for me……the tools use suggest should be top tier and are not. Those handguns come out in seconds. MurphTheSurf3 an hour ago

Gladly done, A pinkpantheroz an hour ago

And there are many people with real reason to be afraid of the police…and afraid they will be mistreated by police….like me, for example Angela Bridgman an hour ago

The average training time for a public safety officer (ie police person) in Europe is two years BEFORE they get to work the streets and then they are very closely supervised….psychologica screening is intense before they get into the academies which have collegiate standards. MurphTheSurf3 an hour ago

Angela – my experiences w cops is 20 plus years ago. I am afraid of them now. That’s the design, and we have to end the presence of white supremacists so the predatory nature of policing STOPS. You should not have to be afraid. choicelady an hour ago

Let me also say that women police are by and large far better at public safety than their male counterparts. MurphTheSurf3 an hour ago

CL – But I would argue that there is plenty of stopping power in alternate weapons and new ones that could be brought into being than being content for police to be able to kill whoever they think they should. AdLib an hour ago

Murph – yup. We need that here. choicelady an hour ago

I agree, CL….there was a time when I was not afraid of the police. That time is long ago now Angela Bridgman an hour ago

Angela – I still can rely on being an older white woman. Most people encountering cops don’t have that cloak of protection. And I know it. choicelady an hour ago

Murph – If we wanted to do so as a society, we could arm our police with weapons that have heavy stopping power but are not designed to kill. You don’t have to kill someone to neutralize them. AdLib an hour ago

Well, as a trans woman…I have no reason to believe cops will be respectful or polite…in fact, I have every reason to fear the exact opposite Angela Bridgman an hour ago

Ad – I’m open to that UNLESS the RW come en masse heavily armed. choicelady an hour ago

Wow, I don’t know how the USA manages to still be great when there is such fear and hatred in almost all aspects of daily life there. pinkpantheroz an hour ago

Angela – you do indeed. You certainly do. choicelady an hour ago

I got a major blowout in a left rear tire last week and did not know it immediately…I had a police care behind me in seconds with a woman deputy sheriff behind the wheel. She helped me change the tire and we had a fantastic conversation while doing so…..I filled out a compliment form on her for her office and called her lieutenant. MurphTheSurf3 an hour ago

PPO, America is not great. Ask those of us who live here. Angela Bridgman an hour ago

Murph – I don’t know if it’s changed but British police didn’t have guns and generally speaking, they handled law enforcement just fine. We’ve grown up as a country with guns in this culture, as if they are a necessity to “stop” people but there are and can be many other options. AdLib an hour ago

PPO – those of us here are fighting to MAKE it great again. But this has been going downhill since the 70s. And we did far too little to stop it. choicelady an hour ago

I keep saying I really WISH we WERE….The Home of the Brave. We aren’t. We’re fucking scared of EVERYTHING here Angela Bridgman an hour ago

Ad….as hard as it is to accept….there are times when the weapons you suggest are not the proper or effective response……but that should be rare. MurphTheSurf3 an hour ago

Angela – the hope lies in what John Lewis say before his death: a huge BLM movement , highly diverse, that he said outshown EVERYTHING he knew from his days in the 60s. THAT give me hope. choicelady an hour ago

Someone who looks a little different = fear. Someone with a different shade of skin – fear…someone of a different religion = fear…..it is pathetic Angela Bridgman an hour ago

Murph – I’m with you on proportionality. choicelady an hour ago

Sad commentary, cl. I watch US news and programs like Colbert and still see good. Sad if that is now the exception rather than the rule. Former Guy and the GOP have so much to answer for. pinkpantheroz an hour ago

Imagine for example, a rifle that shoots a taser-like electrified payload at a potential threat. Just riffing here but there could be so many non-lethal options for stopping a shooter, for instance. Then add up all the people wrongly killed by police and the saving of lives is exponential. AdLib an hour ago

Let me remind you all of one of my underlying contentions……the effort by both parties to dumb down their electorates…..it has been a broadly and deeply engineered……ex. the disappearance of constitutional/government education in the schools. MurphTheSurf3 an hour ago

PPO – there IS good. Lots of people are fighting for equity in life. It’s the majority I think. But the media cover the minority because they’re interesting. And that gives THEM the cojones to be violent and horrid. choicelady an hour ago

Dart guns like they have for escaped lions? pinkpantheroz an hour ago

I’d argue that the GOP is the one with the agenda of dumbing down our students. Not so much the Democrats Angela Bridgman an hour ago

Murph – BRING BACK CIVICS! choicelady an hour ago

PPO – I like that! choicelady an hour ago

CL – If the RW comes armed, call out the National Guard who are armed precisely for dealing with armed insurrectionists. Police could instead be protecting and serving their communities except in such a rare possible situation. Then again, guns could still be available to police but only in such a dire situation, not as a daily accessory to their uniforms. AdLib an hour ago

Bring back SCHOOLHOUSE ROCK!!! Angela Bridgman an hour ago

Ad…such a weapon – a form of taser- has its dangers too…..cardiac arrest for one….but I get the drift- tech should address this….. MurphTheSurf3 an hour ago

CL, then we need to media to STOP payig attention to the assholes Angela Bridgman an hour ago

PPO – Exactly! Instead of a sedative though, hook up taser contacts to that dart gun and you’ll see real stopping power without killing people. AdLib an hour ago

Ad – When I was racially profiled (cops thought I was part of the Mexican mafia) I told our then police chief about it. And I said – you cannot simultaneously engage in “community policing” AND racial profiling. He looked shocked. I need to tell this story again to our current chief. Pick a lane. Stay IN it. choicelady an hour ago

Murph – Yes, the point is that weapons designed to incapacitate could accidentally kill an attacker but the fraction of the time that happens, would be more acceptable when in such circumstances than using a weapon specifically and intentionally designed to kill. AdLib an hour ago

Angela – how did the RW get so powerful? Harassing the media. Why aren’t WE doing the same? choicelady an hour ago

No shit. Angela Bridgman an hour ago

WHY did the media keep giving free time to The Donald? Angela Bridgman an hour ago

It sells ads. pinkpantheroz an hour ago

WHY didn’t they just put their cameras down when he was around and simply refuse to feed him? Angela Bridgman an hour ago

Angela…the Dems worked hard to keep Blacks and Hispanic uninformed……I lived in very Dem Chicago for a number of years and saw that at work in every election…..consider Jesse Jackson, for example, he was part of the conspiracy…really was….made rich as a crusader for the poor. MurphTheSurf3 an hour ago

Did you see the Chicago Tribune and its other papers was sold to a venture capitalist this week? FUCKING DANGEROUS. choicelady an hour ago

CL – That is so perfect to say, you may have blown that cop’s mind. AdLib an hour ago

Ad – he just gawped at me. The CHIEF of POLICE. Never occurred to him those things were incompatible., choicelady an hour ago

PPO…tasers are only useful in very short range contact and do not really stop most of those they are used on…. MurphTheSurf3 an hour ago

Murph, I’d prefer knockout drops to tasers. pinkpantheroz an hour ago

Think of 1/6 and all the people in tactical gear….what could stop them…without killing them? Angela Bridgman an hour ago

PPO – love that suggestion! choicelady an hour ago

scuse me, gonna sign off and then back in right quick…brb Angela Bridgman an hour ago

CL – I am hoping that AG Garland is too busy with so many huge things right now but after clearing out much of the widespread criming by Trump and the GOP and the 1/6 traitors, maybe he can finally turn all that towards those threatening everyone, from politicians to journalists, arrest them aggressively like the 1/6 insurrectionists and put the fear of God into anyone trying to use threats to silence those they oppose. AdLib an hour ago

Ad – Hope you’re correct! choicelady an hour ago

There we go…now I have a real picture in my profile Angela Bridgman an hour ago

Well….gang heading for the door….early morns for this farmer….peace to all. MurphTheSurf3 an hour ago

bye Murph Angela Bridgman an hour ago

Ad, for sure. Something needs to be done and to be seen to be strong. pinkpantheroz an hour ago

Night Murph. pinkpantheroz an hour ago

Good night, dear Murph! Good day tomorrow! choicelady an hour ago

P.S I have not met you before, CL…but damn, I like you!! Angela Bridgman an hour ago

A, she’s a treasure, as you will discover. Well, I’ll away to do the shopping. See you all next week pinkpantheroz an hour ago

Bye, PPO Angela Bridgman an hour ago

and I agree with you, Ad. Angela Bridgman an hour ago

Murph – Okay, so people in tech should be subsidized to create more effective non-lethal weapons. Better tasers, long range tasers, other types of ammunition that is non-lethal but has stopping power. There could be a goldmine in this field if only we didn’t marry guns to police and say that’s the way it has to be. AdLib an hour ago

Looks good Angela! AdLib an hour ago

Thanks Angela Bridgman an hour ago

It ought to, that picture cost me enough. Angela Bridgman an hour ago

It was an official campaign headshot from my Senate campaign last year Angela Bridgman an hour ago

I think societies too often just accept the way things have been in so many ways when questioning the status quo is far better. AdLib an hour ago

Nicely done! AdLib an hour ago

Indeed Angela Bridgman an hour ago

Agela – like you right back. On Twitter my handle – wait for it – is CHURCHLADY320. I work for a progressive faith community that led the amicus on marriage equality before SCOTUS, and is solid on ALL the issues that are of concern to anyone with a heart. We are the dead opposite of the religious right. That’s part of why I loved the cops where I used to live: I was put on the hit list after Bart Slepian was murdered for providing abortions in Buffalo, NY. I’ve been stalked by the RW five times. And nobody stops me from affirming the whole humanity of every living being. NOBODY. choicelady an hour ago

Nobody thinks they can make things change Angela Bridgman an hour ago

So nobody tries Angela Bridgman an hour ago

Angela – I DO! Because I fucking well HAVE. choicelady an hour ago

So have I, CL Angela Bridgman an hour ago

My comment was general Angela Bridgman an hour ago

It’s outside the box thinking to start from a position of, “Why do we need police to kill people?” But it isn’t a strange question. Why do they need to be able to kill? Can’t we arm them in a way that they are protected and so are the people? AdLib an hour ago

Angela – I can’t imagine you NOT changing things!!! choicelady an hour ago

Hell, you don’t think running for state Senate as the first openly-trans woman in the history of North Carolina…made no difference, do ya? Angela Bridgman an hour ago

LOL Angela Bridgman an hour ago

You’re both people who are committed to changing things and that is damn cool! AdLib an hour ago

Good thought, Ad. Angela Bridgman an hour ago

LOL!!! I am quite sure you shook folks up. Good on you, as Miz Molly used to say! choicelady an hour ago

See, this is WHY I ask the kind of hard questions I do…it facilitates discussion Angela Bridgman an hour ago

Agnela – absolutely. choicelady an hour ago

As Margaret Mead used to say…”Well-behaved women seldom make history” Angela Bridgman an hour ago

Change is what keeps a society vital. Otherwise, a society just eventually collapses to dust. AdLib an hour ago

Stagnation is death for a society and accepting and continuing the status quo is stagnation. AdLib an hour ago

Agree, Ad. But so many people are so frightened of change Angela Bridgman an hour ago

How do you get them to be less frightened of change? Angela Bridgman an hour ago

The only way I know…is just living my truth, every day, up front and visible…thus showing them by example we trans women are not the horrible beasts they made us out to be in their own minds Angela Bridgman an hour ago

I have recently lobbied on social justice for nearly 20 years. My fave people are those NOT in the mainstream. They have fire in the belly, a clear sense of what is needed, and retain – god knows how – a sense of humor. And among us we changed a LOT. I am now retired, dabble a bit, but have to leave it to the young’uns, and I’m NOT seeing the wisdom we all had. They are either too well behaved or ham fisted in their opposition. And I’m too damned tired to go back. So keep on in NC, and I’ll spread your story far and wide to energize others. choicelady an hour ago

Angela – So true but they accepted the status quo when it was new to them so they are capable of adapting to new things but as you say, too many people become petrified around the things they originally acclimated to and changing that feels to them like a threat to the pillars of what they’ve built their lives on. So foolish. AdLib an hour ago

CL, I do what I can. Angela Bridgman an hour ago

And thats perfect! choicelady an hour ago

It’s a different world today, than when I first got into activism thirty years ago Angela Bridgman an hour ago

Angela – I don’t know that you can convince the fearful not to be fearful. I think the majority has to push change forward despite the fearful and eventually, they will come to accept it. AdLib an hour ago

Hey TW! AdLib an hour ago

TW!!! Angela Bridgman an hour ago

Angela – yes it is. choicelady an hour ago

HI TW!!! choicelady an hour ago

I wondered where you were Angela Bridgman an hour ago

Hello folks just wanted to pop in and say Hi, can’t stay for long. twilson117 an hour ago

TW – that’s OK – we’re kind of winding down. PPO left on Aussie time, and Murph had to hit the sack to do early morning farmer things tomorrow. choicelady an hour ago

CL, I did not get your Twitter before it scrolled off. Mine is @TGTarheel and also @AngelaForNCSD18 Angela Bridgman an hour ago

CL – You’ve accomplished so much in the good fight. I do wish you saw more people that are coming up to do as you did though. AdLib an hour ago

Glad you stopped by, TW. Never the same here without you! AdLib an hour ago

Angela – I’ve seen you on Twitter and donated. I’m churchlady320. Do NOT confuse me with the other thousand churchladies. We are vastly different! choicelady an hour ago

Understood. Was on call with a friend we had a lot to discuss. But I will be back next week. twilson117 an hour ago

I know enough to know not all religious people are bad. Angela Bridgman an hour ago

There is only one churchlady and choicelady in my opinion. AdLib an hour ago

My own mom, whom I love dearly is Born Again Angela Bridgman an hour ago

Ad – so do I. Our organization may fold because no one is stepping up. Not sure the state can do without us. choicelady an hour ago

Personally, I am an Agnostic, but that is me. Angela Bridgman an hour ago

Angela – does she love you as you are? I REALLY hope so. choicelady an hour ago

Yes, my mom does love and accept me as her daughter Angela Bridgman an hour ago

CL – I really don’t understand that. Why do you think there aren’t people stepping up? AdLib an hour ago

In fact, she got me a special present for my 50th birthday Angela Bridgman an hour ago

I do not know what it is…I won’t know till Monday, LOL Angela Bridgman an hour ago

LOL – Many of us in my organization are technically agnostic. We search for the truth. We never claim we have it. choicelady an hour ago

I like that approach, CL Angela Bridgman an hour ago

I take it a step further…what is truth for me…may not be for you…and vice-versa. And that’s okay. Angela Bridgman an hour ago

I tend to live by The Wiccan Rede: “If it harm none, do as ye will” Angela Bridgman an hour ago

Ad – I don’t know. They are active in justice work just NOT in advocacy in Sac. And that’s a problem because any law can wipe out or enhance what you do on the street. We need a new Me. choicelady an hour ago

Very cool to hear, Angela. I could never understand mothers who wouldn’t support their children who love them but there are too many. Glad your mother loves her daughter no matter what. AdLib an hour ago

It was not always that way, Ad. Angela Bridgman an hour ago

We came to have the relationship we do now…after my dad died. Angela Bridgman an hour ago

Ah religion, was it Stalin who said the opium of the people twilson117 an hour ago

My dad never accepted me…until he was on his death bed…and even then, I doubt it was acceptance…but in some way he forgave me (not that I feel I needed to be forgiven) Angela Bridgman an hour ago

Angela – I have zero idea what IS the truth. I’m with the X Files – The Truth is Out There – just don’t know what it is EXCEPT for adhering to Rev.Dr. King’s “Bend the Moral Arc of the Universe” idea. That’s my job – bending it. choicelady an hour ago

That is wrongly attributed to Dr, King, ya know. Angela Bridgman an hour ago

I can vouch for that, CL’s org is remarkable and effective. Their religious grounding can be seen in their compassion, humanity and mission. I’m so impressed by all CL and her org have done. AdLib an hour ago

It comes originally from Theodore Parker, a Boston Minister who was a Unitarian Angela Bridgman an hour ago

TW – I think that was Marx himself who said tht about religion. I distinguish religion from spirituality and faith. Religion is a structure, has rules, rites, rituals. Spirituality is a quest for truth what ever it may yield. choicelady an hour ago

Angela – It’s too bad so much time was lost but it is valuable that the two of you are close again now. AdLib an hour ago

I like that disctinction, CL Angela Bridgman an hour ago

Ad – THANK you for that. We do good work. Or did. Hope we can regroup and go on. choicelady an hour ago

Ad, it is what it is. I cherish what we have now too much to regret what was lost before. Angela Bridgman an hour ago

CL I too make distinction of religion and belief in a supreme being. twilson117 an hour ago

CL – So much good work already done but so much more to do. I hope some people step up and help continue that mission. AdLib an hour ago

I personally have no use for organized religion…which I believe exists to raise money and control our lives. Angela Bridgman an hour ago

Spirituality is cool Angela Bridgman an hour ago

Religion can go hang Angela Bridgman an hour ago

Angela – I sure don’t believe in a god of judgement. Not sure there’s a god at all. It distresses me NOT at all. Justice. Always justice. That’s what matters. choicelady an hour ago

Agree with you, CL Angela Bridgman an hour ago

Most of it sure – but so many of our denominations are on a quest to find holistic inclusion these days I’m quite heartened. choicelady an hour ago

The basic problem I have with religion…is it starts from the premise that we are all evil, and will not do good…unless threatened…or promised a reward. Angela Bridgman an hour ago

Angela – I’m kind of at that point in life where regrest about the past are so unimportant. Life is now and tomorrow, what we can experience is not what was. So I think it’s helpful to not be haunted by the past and embrace what’s good in each day moving forward…while fighting the fights we’re dedicated to. AdLib an hour ago

They can’t comprehend there ARE peopoe who will do good just because it is good, and they choose to do good Angela Bridgman an hour ago

Ad, I am reminded of one of the best life lessons I got…It was in Ala-Teen, so you know how long ago that was… Angela Bridgman an hour ago

If you ever did any 12-step…you know the meetings are for the newbies, not the old hands like me. Angela Bridgman an hour ago

No…for us, the serious shit goes down around the coffee pot after the meetings, while we are smoking cigs. Angela Bridgman an hour ago

And we would talk all the time… Angela Bridgman an hour ago

Angela – Not every denomination starts that way. UCC, Episcopalian, ELCA, Disciples, etc. start w the premise that life is a gift to be lived fully, inclusively. Don’t believe in original sin. Don’t baptize to ‘wash away’ sin but to welcome babies into the human community. We are the DEAD opposite of the religious right and ultra RW Catholics.’ choicelady an hour ago

About people who had one foot in yesterday, and one foot in tomorrow…. Angela Bridgman an hour ago

And thus spent every waking moment pissing all over today. Angela Bridgman 44 minutes ago

CL I also feel religion is the construct of what present a host of problems twilson117 44 minutes ago

Then we realized we were talking about ourselves!! Angela Bridgman 44 minutes ago

I was born Roman Catholic…specifically, Augustinian. Angela Bridgman 44 minutes ago

I quit the Catholics by age 14 Angela Bridgman 44 minutes ago

TW – unpack ‘religion’. It’s not a monolith. The religious right have smeared the ideas of hope and joy and humanity. They do NOT define mainline Protestants and their quest for justice.’ choicelady 43 minutes ago

Frankly, it was a mutual thing, anyway. Angela Bridgman 43 minutes ago

Angela – you got the whammy! Rigid Catholicism is nasty. choicelady 43 minutes ago

Indeed it is. Angela Bridgman 43 minutes ago

I remember, going to CCD every Sunday…and we all called it Chicago City Dump. Angela Bridgman 43 minutes ago

Angela is correct to say you were born Roman Catholic or raised in the Catholic belief system? twilson117 42 minutes ago

Angela – I think there’s a difference between spirituality and religion. There are people in religions who are in touch with humanity and the mystery of existence and there are clearly those who use religion for destructive purposes. AdLib 42 minutes ago

Probably raised in the Catholic belief system is closer to accurate Angela Bridgman 42 minutes ago

Angela – LOL!!! choicelady 42 minutes ago

By the way, CL….where is Fair Oaks? Angela Bridgman 42 minutes ago

Anyway – let’s keep talking. I’m so glad to meet you, Angela and see everyone. Fair Oaks is NOT where I am but where my server is. I’m in Sacramento. Where ELSE would a lobbyist live in CA? choicelady 41 minutes ago

Cool, so you are in CA Angela Bridgman 41 minutes ago

I can stay and talk a bit…but I have a meeting at 10AM tomorrow. Angela Bridgman 41 minutes ago

CL I am in the process of doing what you said “unpack” religion I’ve started writing something around that but have had to put it off as I had some other things I needed to get off my chest. twilson117 41 minutes ago

I reminded a friend this week, who was criticizing Texans, that there are always good people in every grouping, there are Democrats in Texas and Alabama and Missouri, like Murph, who want to make a difference and make things better. So generalizing about any group is always a mistake. I do it sometimes too but I try to catch myself. AdLib 41 minutes ago

I am a Delegate to the 4th Congressional District Convention for the NC Democratic Party Angela Bridgman 40 minutes ago

Yes – but I grew up in a Unitarian Dem household in WHEATON where Billy Graham went to college. I’m still in therapy for that experience!’ choicelady 40 minutes ago

You are always Fair though, CL. AdLib 40 minutes ago

I was a Unitarian for over twenty years. I am not sure sure I identify with them anymore. Angela Bridgman 40 minutes ago

I’m calling it a night. Thank you, Ad, for declaring me ‘fair”. I try. Good night all – Angela – more to come! choicelady 39 minutes ago

Good night CL! Angela Bridgman 39 minutes ago

You are indeed, CL! Have a great weekend! AdLib 39 minutes ago

It was a real pleasure meeting YOU and I hope you come back Angela Bridgman 39 minutes ago

Well, I have my Delegate duties in the morning….urrrrgh… Angela Bridgman 38 minutes ago

Take care CL twilson117 38 minutes ago

At least it will be a little easier, since I headed off two Resolutions before they had a chance to get to our Convention, LOL Angela Bridgman 38 minutes ago

Well, it looks like it’s about that time to close the Vox bar for the night. Thanks so much for bringing all that you do to Vox, Angela and TW. Have a great weekend and see you here next Friday night I hope! AdLib 38 minutes ago

They didn’t even make it past Precinct. Angela Bridgman 38 minutes ago

seeya, Ad, and TW!! Angela Bridgman 37 minutes ago

good night Angela Bridgman 37 minutes ago

Nice job, Angela! AdLib 37 minutes ago

Take care AdLIb see you next week twilson117 37 minutes ago

See you then TW! AdLib 37 minutes ago